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Just Saw how MagSorcs are Ridiculously Easy for PvE!
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »I'm not sure if you have noticed. But the top magplar vma score(since that's all you talk about)uses force pulse as their main spammable, hardly ever touches sweeps
If you had seen the OP's other posts on the forum, then you would've seen that s/he only recently completed vMA for the first time--after quite a bit of struggle--during the Orsinium event. S/he is a relatively new player who is not CP-capped, does not have ideal gear. Etc.
So if you look at this thread from that standpoint--of someone who is not in PvE endgame and who is just dipping their toe in for the first time, it makes sense. There is a reason why people who clear vMA for the first time often go with sorc. There is a reason why guides and word-of-mouth recommend sorc for beginners. Their mistake is to extrapolate from that experience and make a broad claim about class balance in general, which is what has attracted so much attention to this thread. But that's a completely understandable mistake that you'd reasonably expect a person in that position to make.
In any case, for the vast majority of people who run vMA on a magplar, they will need Sweeps. For the vast majority of people who run vMA, they will find sorcs to be easier and simpler. Perhaps after a hundred more runs, the OP will be using Force Pulse and wondering why they had ever bothered with Sweeps. But they're not there... yet.
Speaking of vMA, I just took my sorc into the Arena for the first time. I was sooooo nervous! I kept thinking "I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die".
My first death was in round 5.
I couldn't believe what was happening. I fully expected to die dozens of times before round 3. Especially because Round 2 is so brutal on my magplar, since I need to be in melee range for sweeps to heal. With sorc I was like "Shield -> Heavy Attack -> Shield -> Heavy attack". Automatic heals. Big shields. Full health recovery with surge. Full mana recovery with heavy attacks.
In fact I was so enthused, I went and completed the entire arena in one sitting! Something I have never managed on the my magplar. It gave me some "score" that I've never gotten before, and something about completing a weekly timed trial. Total time 1 hour 39 minutes with a score of 399k or something like that.
In one sitting! I normally used to take days for a full vMA run on the magplar, with long breaks between arenas. This is easy mode! I killed the final boss Voriak Solkyn on my second try.
I'm not looking for nerfs or anything. I don't care about all that. I"m just in shock as to how easy this was compared to my other magplar runs!
Well claiming "Just Saw how MagSorcs are Ridiculously Easy for PvE!" is screaming NERF SORC, all over the place.
Sorcs are pretty much the easiest mag class for VMA because 2 skills only, crit surge and hardened ward. But still, even if they are the easiest class coming here to create a forum thread to scream to the world how easy it is to play it and then say you dont want a nerf is even more ridiculous.
Magplars were top dogs some patches ago, and ZOS nerfed them to ground because of 1 single skill who was ridiculous for PVP, Radiant destruction aka "Jesus Beam". They just had to nerf the range, but no, they nerfed the power in the skill and because the skill is a channel, meaning you can do *** until is over, is pretty much dead for PVE now.
Yes, Radiant Destruction was nerfed. That isn’t why it sucks in PvE now though for a DPS. The actual damage modifier on this skill (and Puncturing Sweeps/Biting Jabs) is bugged and much lower than intended. NBs had the same problem with Impale but ZOS fixed that and now they’re incredible at DPS.1 -
bhagwad✭✭✭✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »I'm not sure if you have noticed. But the top magplar vma score(since that's all you talk about)uses force pulse as their main spammable, hardly ever touches sweeps
If you had seen the OP's other posts on the forum, then you would've seen that s/he only recently completed vMA for the first time--after quite a bit of struggle--during the Orsinium event. S/he is a relatively new player who is not CP-capped, does not have ideal gear. Etc.
So if you look at this thread from that standpoint--of someone who is not in PvE endgame and who is just dipping their toe in for the first time, it makes sense. There is a reason why people who clear vMA for the first time often go with sorc. There is a reason why guides and word-of-mouth recommend sorc for beginners. Their mistake is to extrapolate from that experience and make a broad claim about class balance in general, which is what has attracted so much attention to this thread. But that's a completely understandable mistake that you'd reasonably expect a person in that position to make.
In any case, for the vast majority of people who run vMA on a magplar, they will need Sweeps. For the vast majority of people who run vMA, they will find sorcs to be easier and simpler. Perhaps after a hundred more runs, the OP will be using Force Pulse and wondering why they had ever bothered with Sweeps. But they're not there... yet.
Speaking of vMA, I just took my sorc into the Arena for the first time. I was sooooo nervous! I kept thinking "I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die".
My first death was in round 5.
I couldn't believe what was happening. I fully expected to die dozens of times before round 3. Especially because Round 2 is so brutal on my magplar, since I need to be in melee range for sweeps to heal. With sorc I was like "Shield -> Heavy Attack -> Shield -> Heavy attack". Automatic heals. Big shields. Full health recovery with surge. Full mana recovery with heavy attacks.
In fact I was so enthused, I went and completed the entire arena in one sitting! Something I have never managed on the my magplar. It gave me some "score" that I've never gotten before, and something about completing a weekly timed trial. Total time 1 hour 39 minutes with a score of 399k or something like that.
In one sitting! I normally used to take days for a full vMA run on the magplar, with long breaks between arenas. This is easy mode! I killed the final boss Voriak Solkyn on my second try.
I'm not looking for nerfs or anything. I don't care about all that. I"m just in shock as to how easy this was compared to my other magplar runs!
Well claiming "Just Saw how MagSorcs are Ridiculously Easy for PvE!" is screaming NERF SORC, all over the place.
Sorcs are pretty much the easiest mag class for VMA because 2 skills only, crit surge and hardened ward. But still, even if they are the easiest class coming here to create a forum thread to scream to the world how easy it is to play it and then say you dont want a nerf is even more ridiculous.
Magplars were top dogs some patches ago, and ZOS nerfed them to ground because of 1 single skill who was ridiculous for PVP, Radiant destruction aka "Jesus Beam". They just had to nerf the range, but no, they nerfed the power in the skill and because the skill is a channel, meaning you can do *** until is over, is pretty much dead for PVE now.
How do you make the leap from "This is easy!" to "I want a nerf"?
I'm only making the first statement. You're assuming that I'm making the second. Why?
If I'm having a good time on a character, why on earth will I ask for a nerf? It makes no sense!Edited by bhagwad on December 18, 2017 9:20PM0 -
Pinja✭✭✭✭So like not saying this is but, what in how is a PvE nerf thread..? Like what, you want trials to go slower??
Oh, you want your class buffed(Magplar.)
Makes sense...Edited by Pinja on December 18, 2017 9:20PM0 -
bhagwad✭✭✭✭So like not saying this is but, what in how is a PvE nerf thread..? Like what, you want trials to go slower??
Oh, you want your class buffed(Magplar.)
Makes sense...
Sorc is my class now
. After this, I'm just gonna use my magplar for healing. Will miss my ranged execute though 
Edited by bhagwad on December 18, 2017 9:29PM0 -
bhagwad✭✭✭✭What is the dps Magplar rotation? /
What was your dps Magplar rotation?
Here's what I used to use:
Precast ele drain and channeled focus. Start with Destro Ult.
Blockade -> LA -> Blazing Spear (BS) -> LA -> Vampire's Bane (VB) -> LA -> Structured Entropy -> Heavy Attack (HA) -> HA -> VB -> LA -> Blockage -> BS - > BAR SWAP
Ele Drain -> LA -> Purifying Light -> LA -> Jabs x 2 -> Channeled Focus -> BAR SWAP
I can get maybe 1-1.5k more DPS if I swap out jabs for Force Pulse, but it's unrealistic. I need the heals, and I often need the AoE damage for vMA.
Destro Ult on second bar, and Mages ulti on the first. Second bar is flame staff with infused flame enchant. First is lightning with infused weapon/spell damage enchant.
Setups:
5 x Julianos (Constant) with:
a) 5 x Spinners + vMA + Random staff
b) 3 x Willpower + 2* Monster Helm + vMA + Random Staff (if running witchmohter's, then Valkyn for extra health)
c) 5 x Rattlecage + vMA + Random staff (if Rattlecage, swap out entropy for inner light)
Also tried:
a) War Maiden
b) Netch's Touch
c) Scathing Mage
d) 3 x Infallible Aether
e) Mother's Sorrow
But they all give me less DPS than a, b, and c. Or equivalent at best.
The max I've gotten out of the magplar is 29.9k . Never managed to crack the magic 30k number!Edited by bhagwad on December 18, 2017 9:51PM0 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »I'm not sure if you have noticed. But the top magplar vma score(since that's all you talk about)uses force pulse as their main spammable, hardly ever touches sweeps
If you had seen the OP's other posts on the forum, then you would've seen that s/he only recently completed vMA for the first time--after quite a bit of struggle--during the Orsinium event. S/he is a relatively new player who is not CP-capped, does not have ideal gear. Etc.
So if you look at this thread from that standpoint--of someone who is not in PvE endgame and who is just dipping their toe in for the first time, it makes sense. There is a reason why people who clear vMA for the first time often go with sorc. There is a reason why guides and word-of-mouth recommend sorc for beginners. Their mistake is to extrapolate from that experience and make a broad claim about class balance in general, which is what has attracted so much attention to this thread. But that's a completely understandable mistake that you'd reasonably expect a person in that position to make.
In any case, for the vast majority of people who run vMA on a magplar, they will need Sweeps. For the vast majority of people who run vMA, they will find sorcs to be easier and simpler. Perhaps after a hundred more runs, the OP will be using Force Pulse and wondering why they had ever bothered with Sweeps. But they're not there... yet.
Speaking of vMA, I just took my sorc into the Arena for the first time. I was sooooo nervous! I kept thinking "I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die".
My first death was in round 5.
I couldn't believe what was happening. I fully expected to die dozens of times before round 3. Especially because Round 2 is so brutal on my magplar, since I need to be in melee range for sweeps to heal. With sorc I was like "Shield -> Heavy Attack -> Shield -> Heavy attack". Automatic heals. Big shields. Full health recovery with surge. Full mana recovery with heavy attacks.
In fact I was so enthused, I went and completed the entire arena in one sitting! Something I have never managed on the my magplar. It gave me some "score" that I've never gotten before, and something about completing a weekly timed trial. Total time 1 hour 39 minutes with a score of 399k or something like that.
In one sitting! I normally used to take days for a full vMA run on the magplar, with long breaks between arenas. This is easy mode! I killed the final boss Voriak Solkyn on my second try.
I'm not looking for nerfs or anything. I don't care about all that. I"m just in shock as to how easy this was compared to my other magplar runs!
This is confirmation bias. You think sorc is easy peasy and magplar is hard. So you thus attribute the reason for your easier time in Maelstrom, which is really because you are more experienced, to being a sorcerer.
There are plenty of people who like to sound all smart and snarky or who just have agendas that will say sorcerer is "easy mode" in vMA or in ESO in general. But what makes things easy has much less to do with class or setup or philosophy than it is knowledge of mechanics and experience.
The first time people go into vMA on a sorc, they get rekt repeatedly until they learn the mechanics. Just as they would any other class. All classes and specs have more than enough tools to roll through vMA and turn it into "easy mode" once players become familiar with the content and the class they are playing.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
bhagwad✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »I'm not sure if you have noticed. But the top magplar vma score(since that's all you talk about)uses force pulse as their main spammable, hardly ever touches sweeps
If you had seen the OP's other posts on the forum, then you would've seen that s/he only recently completed vMA for the first time--after quite a bit of struggle--during the Orsinium event. S/he is a relatively new player who is not CP-capped, does not have ideal gear. Etc.
So if you look at this thread from that standpoint--of someone who is not in PvE endgame and who is just dipping their toe in for the first time, it makes sense. There is a reason why people who clear vMA for the first time often go with sorc. There is a reason why guides and word-of-mouth recommend sorc for beginners. Their mistake is to extrapolate from that experience and make a broad claim about class balance in general, which is what has attracted so much attention to this thread. But that's a completely understandable mistake that you'd reasonably expect a person in that position to make.
In any case, for the vast majority of people who run vMA on a magplar, they will need Sweeps. For the vast majority of people who run vMA, they will find sorcs to be easier and simpler. Perhaps after a hundred more runs, the OP will be using Force Pulse and wondering why they had ever bothered with Sweeps. But they're not there... yet.
Speaking of vMA, I just took my sorc into the Arena for the first time. I was sooooo nervous! I kept thinking "I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die".
My first death was in round 5.
I couldn't believe what was happening. I fully expected to die dozens of times before round 3. Especially because Round 2 is so brutal on my magplar, since I need to be in melee range for sweeps to heal. With sorc I was like "Shield -> Heavy Attack -> Shield -> Heavy attack". Automatic heals. Big shields. Full health recovery with surge. Full mana recovery with heavy attacks.
In fact I was so enthused, I went and completed the entire arena in one sitting! Something I have never managed on the my magplar. It gave me some "score" that I've never gotten before, and something about completing a weekly timed trial. Total time 1 hour 39 minutes with a score of 399k or something like that.
In one sitting! I normally used to take days for a full vMA run on the magplar, with long breaks between arenas. This is easy mode! I killed the final boss Voriak Solkyn on my second try.
I'm not looking for nerfs or anything. I don't care about all that. I"m just in shock as to how easy this was compared to my other magplar runs!
This is confirmation bias. You think sorc is easy peasy and magplar is hard. So you thus attribute the reason for your easier time in Maelstrom, which is really because you are more experienced, to being a sorcerer.
There are plenty of people who like to sound all smart and snarky or who just have agendas that will say sorcerer is "easy mode" in vMA or in ESO in general. But what makes things easy has much less to do with class or setup or philosophy than it is knowledge of mechanics and experience.
The first time people go into vMA on a sorc, they get rekt repeatedly until they learn the mechanics. Just as they would any other class. All classes and specs have more than enough tools to roll through vMA and turn it into "easy mode" once players become familiar with the content and the class they are playing.
I disagree. I ran vMA on my magplar just a few days ago and died 4 times in round found 2. I'm still the same person. Only the class is different.
While I'm not denying that confirmation bias exists, this is not it. I didn't suddenly become 200% better in a couple of days. If I ran vMA again on my magplar, I would die several times before round 3. Let alone experience my first death in round 5!0 -
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✭Joy_Division wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »I'm not sure if you have noticed. But the top magplar vma score(since that's all you talk about)uses force pulse as their main spammable, hardly ever touches sweeps
If you had seen the OP's other posts on the forum, then you would've seen that s/he only recently completed vMA for the first time--after quite a bit of struggle--during the Orsinium event. S/he is a relatively new player who is not CP-capped, does not have ideal gear. Etc.
So if you look at this thread from that standpoint--of someone who is not in PvE endgame and who is just dipping their toe in for the first time, it makes sense. There is a reason why people who clear vMA for the first time often go with sorc. There is a reason why guides and word-of-mouth recommend sorc for beginners. Their mistake is to extrapolate from that experience and make a broad claim about class balance in general, which is what has attracted so much attention to this thread. But that's a completely understandable mistake that you'd reasonably expect a person in that position to make.
In any case, for the vast majority of people who run vMA on a magplar, they will need Sweeps. For the vast majority of people who run vMA, they will find sorcs to be easier and simpler. Perhaps after a hundred more runs, the OP will be using Force Pulse and wondering why they had ever bothered with Sweeps. But they're not there... yet.
Speaking of vMA, I just took my sorc into the Arena for the first time. I was sooooo nervous! I kept thinking "I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die".
My first death was in round 5.
I couldn't believe what was happening. I fully expected to die dozens of times before round 3. Especially because Round 2 is so brutal on my magplar, since I need to be in melee range for sweeps to heal. With sorc I was like "Shield -> Heavy Attack -> Shield -> Heavy attack". Automatic heals. Big shields. Full health recovery with surge. Full mana recovery with heavy attacks.
In fact I was so enthused, I went and completed the entire arena in one sitting! Something I have never managed on the my magplar. It gave me some "score" that I've never gotten before, and something about completing a weekly timed trial. Total time 1 hour 39 minutes with a score of 399k or something like that.
In one sitting! I normally used to take days for a full vMA run on the magplar, with long breaks between arenas. This is easy mode! I killed the final boss Voriak Solkyn on my second try.
I'm not looking for nerfs or anything. I don't care about all that. I"m just in shock as to how easy this was compared to my other magplar runs!
This is confirmation bias. You think sorc is easy peasy and magplar is hard. So you thus attribute the reason for your easier time in Maelstrom, which is really because you are more experienced, to being a sorcerer.
There are plenty of people who like to sound all smart and snarky or who just have agendas that will say sorcerer is "easy mode" in vMA or in ESO in general. But what makes things easy has much less to do with class or setup or philosophy than it is knowledge of mechanics and experience.
The first time people go into vMA on a sorc, they get rekt repeatedly until they learn the mechanics. Just as they would any other class. All classes and specs have more than enough tools to roll through vMA and turn it into "easy mode" once players become familiar with the content and the class they are playing.
I disagree. I ran vMA on my magplar just a few days ago and died 4 times in round found 2. I'm still the same person. Only the class is different.
While I'm not denying that confirmation bias exists, this is not it. I didn't suddenly become 200% better in a couple of days. If I ran vMA again on my magplar, I would die several times before round 3. Let alone experience my first death in round 5!
It's common and often repeated knowledge that the easiest classes for VMA are Mag Sorc, Mag NB, and Stam Sorc. Most posts tell players to learn the arena on those classes before doing it on the tougher classes.0 -
Pinja✭✭✭✭What is the dps Magplar rotation? /
What was your dps Magplar rotation?
Here's what I used to use:
Precast ele drain and channeled focus. Start with Destro Ult.
Blockade -> LA -> Blazing Spear (BS) -> LA -> Vampire's Bane (VB) -> LA -> Structured Entropy -> Heavy Attack (HA) -> HA -> VB -> LA -> Blockage -> BS - > BAR SWAP
Ele Drain -> LA -> Purifying Light -> LA -> Jabs x 2 -> Channeled Focus -> BAR SWAP
I can get maybe 1-1.5k more DPS if I swap out jabs for Force Pulse, but it's unrealistic. I need the heals, and I often need the AoE damage for vMA.
Destro Ult on second bar, and Mages ulti on the first. Second bar is flame staff with infused flame enchant. First is lightning with infused weapon/spell damage enchant.
Setups:
5 x Julianos (Constant) with:
a) 5 x Spinners + vMA + Random staff
b) 3 x Willpower + 2* Monster Helm + vMA + Random Staff (if running witchmohter's, then Valkyn for extra health)
c) 5 x Rattlecage + vMA + Random staff (if Rattlecage, swap out entropy for inner light)
Also tried:
a) War Maiden
b) Netch's Touch
c) Scathing Mage
d) 3 x Infallible Aether
e) Mother's Sorrow
But they all give me less DPS than a, b, and c. Or equivalent at best.
The max I've gotten out of the magplar is 29.9k . Never managed to crack the magic 30k number!
If you look at the video @Drummerx04 posted you can c that your running ele drain or channel focus as a redundancy. From what I'd guess channel focus is run for better sustain. If u replace a/the frame for a damager your magplar #s will go up without much sacrifice. Besides channel focus potentially being better there is no sustain difference, unless you slot additional templar moves to make it so. Which once again will lower your damage.
If you ran Netch's for the comparison adding/loosing the whole extra Lighting damage move(LL) would exaggerate the difference...
Try sun-silk's & add the FP to both as they're still adding the 1/3 elemental set buff.
Also change where you start entropy, your wasting it's up time on 3s of heavy attack. The buff does not improve already cast dots & expires before you get back to them...Edited by Pinja on December 18, 2017 10:54PM0 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »I'm not sure if you have noticed. But the top magplar vma score(since that's all you talk about)uses force pulse as their main spammable, hardly ever touches sweeps
If you had seen the OP's other posts on the forum, then you would've seen that s/he only recently completed vMA for the first time--after quite a bit of struggle--during the Orsinium event. S/he is a relatively new player who is not CP-capped, does not have ideal gear. Etc.
So if you look at this thread from that standpoint--of someone who is not in PvE endgame and who is just dipping their toe in for the first time, it makes sense. There is a reason why people who clear vMA for the first time often go with sorc. There is a reason why guides and word-of-mouth recommend sorc for beginners. Their mistake is to extrapolate from that experience and make a broad claim about class balance in general, which is what has attracted so much attention to this thread. But that's a completely understandable mistake that you'd reasonably expect a person in that position to make.
In any case, for the vast majority of people who run vMA on a magplar, they will need Sweeps. For the vast majority of people who run vMA, they will find sorcs to be easier and simpler. Perhaps after a hundred more runs, the OP will be using Force Pulse and wondering why they had ever bothered with Sweeps. But they're not there... yet.
Speaking of vMA, I just took my sorc into the Arena for the first time. I was sooooo nervous! I kept thinking "I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die".
My first death was in round 5.
I couldn't believe what was happening. I fully expected to die dozens of times before round 3. Especially because Round 2 is so brutal on my magplar, since I need to be in melee range for sweeps to heal. With sorc I was like "Shield -> Heavy Attack -> Shield -> Heavy attack". Automatic heals. Big shields. Full health recovery with surge. Full mana recovery with heavy attacks.
In fact I was so enthused, I went and completed the entire arena in one sitting! Something I have never managed on the my magplar. It gave me some "score" that I've never gotten before, and something about completing a weekly timed trial. Total time 1 hour 39 minutes with a score of 399k or something like that.
In one sitting! I normally used to take days for a full vMA run on the magplar, with long breaks between arenas. This is easy mode! I killed the final boss Voriak Solkyn on my second try.
I'm not looking for nerfs or anything. I don't care about all that. I"m just in shock as to how easy this was compared to my other magplar runs!
This is confirmation bias. You think sorc is easy peasy and magplar is hard. So you thus attribute the reason for your easier time in Maelstrom, which is really because you are more experienced, to being a sorcerer.
There are plenty of people who like to sound all smart and snarky or who just have agendas that will say sorcerer is "easy mode" in vMA or in ESO in general. But what makes things easy has much less to do with class or setup or philosophy than it is knowledge of mechanics and experience.
The first time people go into vMA on a sorc, they get rekt repeatedly until they learn the mechanics. Just as they would any other class. All classes and specs have more than enough tools to roll through vMA and turn it into "easy mode" once players become familiar with the content and the class they are playing.
Are you saying Sorcs aren't easy though? Because they truly are the easiest class in the game.
You can run double pet with Inner Light on the front bar then add a shield and power surge to that. This leaves you with 3 skills you need to cast in a rotation. You'll get fantastic DPS, self-healing and survivability with minimal effort.
Sure vMA is still hard the first time around with a mag Sorc, but its still much easier with one than with another class.0 -
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✭✭✭Hmmm... so a templar class with lotsa built in healing options takes mor effort to parse off damage delaing alone against a sorc class without a lot of in class healing options?
Stop the presses folks, we have NEWS!!!!
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bhagwad✭✭✭✭What is the dps Magplar rotation? /
What was your dps Magplar rotation?
Here's what I used to use:
Precast ele drain and channeled focus. Start with Destro Ult.
Blockade -> LA -> Blazing Spear (BS) -> LA -> Vampire's Bane (VB) -> LA -> Structured Entropy -> Heavy Attack (HA) -> HA -> VB -> LA -> Blockage -> BS - > BAR SWAP
Ele Drain -> LA -> Purifying Light -> LA -> Jabs x 2 -> Channeled Focus -> BAR SWAP
I can get maybe 1-1.5k more DPS if I swap out jabs for Force Pulse, but it's unrealistic. I need the heals, and I often need the AoE damage for vMA.
Destro Ult on second bar, and Mages ulti on the first. Second bar is flame staff with infused flame enchant. First is lightning with infused weapon/spell damage enchant.
Setups:
5 x Julianos (Constant) with:
a) 5 x Spinners + vMA + Random staff
b) 3 x Willpower + 2* Monster Helm + vMA + Random Staff (if running witchmohter's, then Valkyn for extra health)
c) 5 x Rattlecage + vMA + Random staff (if Rattlecage, swap out entropy for inner light)
Also tried:
a) War Maiden
b) Netch's Touch
c) Scathing Mage
d) 3 x Infallible Aether
e) Mother's Sorrow
But they all give me less DPS than a, b, and c. Or equivalent at best.
The max I've gotten out of the magplar is 29.9k . Never managed to crack the magic 30k number!
If you look at the video @Drummerx04 posted you can c that your running ele drain or channel focus as a redundancy. From what I'd guess channel focus is run for better sustain. If u replace a/the frame for a damager your magplar #s will go up without much sacrifice. Besides channel focus potentially being better there is no sustain difference, unless you slot additional templar moves to make it so. Which once again will lower your damage.
If you ran Netch's for the comparison adding/loosing the whole extra Lighting damage move(LL) would exaggerate the difference...
Try sun-silk's & add the FP to both as they're still adding the 1/3 elemental set buff.
Also change where you start entropy, your wasting it's up time on 3s of heavy attack. The buff does not improve already cast dots & expires before you get back to them...
In the video you're quoting with @Drummerx04 he/she is receiving ele drain from a third party, outside source. He's also running crafted spellpower potions, which means that he has 100% uptime on 20% increased magicka recovery through the medicinal use passive. AND he's using channeled focus! That's a lot of sustain, and two of those tools are not feasible for me. Because I don't have the luxury of ele drain in vMA or PUG dungeons, and because I'm too poor to run crafted spell power pots.
In short, these dummy parses you're seeing are assuming a very, very specific scenario. A scenario that I have never encountered in my life. It requires an organized group with specific skills. Outside of that, the DPS rotations in these videos are completely unrealistic when you have to sustain by yourself.Edited by bhagwad on December 18, 2017 11:06PM0 -
Pinja✭✭✭✭What is the dps Magplar rotation? /
What was your dps Magplar rotation?
Here's what I used to use:
Precast ele drain and channeled focus. Start with Destro Ult.
Blockade -> LA -> Blazing Spear (BS) -> LA -> Vampire's Bane (VB) -> LA -> Structured Entropy -> Heavy Attack (HA) -> HA -> VB -> LA -> Blockage -> BS - > BAR SWAP
Ele Drain -> LA -> Purifying Light -> LA -> Jabs x 2 -> Channeled Focus -> BAR SWAP
I can get maybe 1-1.5k more DPS if I swap out jabs for Force Pulse, but it's unrealistic. I need the heals, and I often need the AoE damage for vMA.
Destro Ult on second bar, and Mages ulti on the first. Second bar is flame staff with infused flame enchant. First is lightning with infused weapon/spell damage enchant.
Setups:
5 x Julianos (Constant) with:
a) 5 x Spinners + vMA + Random staff
b) 3 x Willpower + 2* Monster Helm + vMA + Random Staff (if running witchmohter's, then Valkyn for extra health)
c) 5 x Rattlecage + vMA + Random staff (if Rattlecage, swap out entropy for inner light)
Also tried:
a) War Maiden
b) Netch's Touch
c) Scathing Mage
d) 3 x Infallible Aether
e) Mother's Sorrow
But they all give me less DPS than a, b, and c. Or equivalent at best.
The max I've gotten out of the magplar is 29.9k . Never managed to crack the magic 30k number!
If you look at the video @Drummerx04 posted you can c that your running ele drain or channel focus as a redundancy. From what I'd guess channel focus is run for better sustain. If u replace a/the frame for a damager your magplar #s will go up without much sacrifice. Besides channel focus potentially being better there is no sustain difference, unless you slot additional templar moves to make it so. Which once again will lower your damage.
If you ran Netch's for the comparison adding/loosing the whole extra Lighting damage move(LL) would exaggerate the difference...
Try sun-silk's & add the FP to both as they're still adding the 1/3 elemental set buff.
Also change where you start entropy, your wasting it's up time on 3s of heavy attack. The buff does not improve already cast dots & expires before you get back to them...
In the video you're quoting with @Drummerx04 he/she is receiving ele drain from a third party, outside source. He's also running crafted spellpower potions, which means that he has 100% uptime on 20% increased magicka recovery through the medicinal use passive. AND he's using channeled focus! That's a lot of sustain, and two of those tools are not feasible for me. Because I don't have the luxury of ele drain in vMA or PUG dungeons, and because I'm too poor to run crafted spell power pots.
In short, these dummy parses you're seeing are assuming a very, very specific scenario. A scenario that I have never encountered in my life. It requires an organized group with specific skills. Outside of that, the DPS rotations in these videos are completely unrealistic when you have to sustain by yourself.
*Well you may loose tenacity vs insta casts with jabs. Make sure to spread your heavies between different attacks.Edited by Pinja on December 19, 2017 12:30AM0 -
Pinja✭✭✭✭Ya...That video is juiced. Maybe a rattlecage set up?Edited by Pinja on December 19, 2017 12:40AM0
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Pinja✭✭✭✭Spread your casts & Heavies.
Try this;
Reslot elemental for dark flare.
Start test with Entropy > ultimate.
(Start or Entropy)>PL>LA>VB>LA>EB>LA>BS>LA>DF>LA>DF>LA>CF>LA>PL>LA>HA>LA>Entropy>LA>VB>LA>EB>LA>BS>LA>PL>LA>DF>LA>DF>LA>HA>LA>DF>LA>Restart
Fresh rotation, not tested, ult on ava.
Have jabs slotted for adds, use for burns.
Also may want to remove the LA after DF & Entropy. Moves damage of empower.
Swap LA 4 BarS when needed.Edited by Pinja on December 20, 2017 10:36AM0 -
bhagwad✭✭✭✭Spread your casts & Heavies.
Try this;
Reslot elemental for dark flare.
Start test with Entropy > ultimate.
(Start or Entropy)>PL>LA>VB>LA>EB>LA>BS>LA>DF>LA>DF>LA>CF>LA>PL>LA>HA>LA>Entropy>LA>VB>LA>EB>LA>BS>LA>PL>LA>DF>LA>DF>LA>HA>LA>DF>LA>Restart
Fresh rotation, not tested, ult on ava.
Have jabs slotted for adds, use for burns.
Also may want to remove the LA after DF & Entropy. Moves damage of empower.
Swap LA 4 BarS when needed.
Thanks, I'll try it out
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MakeMeUhSamich✭✭✭✭✭Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »now go parse 35k+ without using a pet on your sorc.
pet sorcs can hurt the group in certain trial fights (stunning adds, causing chain lightning, etc) to the point where sometimes pets arent allowed.
35k+ is quite achievable with a non-pet build.0 -
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✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »In trials they are beat by Mag NB which is *especially* true if not using your pet. Mag Sorc makes good use of the Asylum staves though and is great at providing Offbalance, so their role in a raid will always be there.
It's simply not true dude. If you have 2 exactly equally skilled players the numbers between mag nb and sorc don't differ. This holds true for pretty much any trial.
I've always been a man of numbers, and I'll believe it if I see it. I'd like to think I'm a pretty good sorc having well over 5K hours on it and maining one in one of the games top groups as you do. However I am humiliated on a regular basis by LZH and Colt on their magblades. If you have some sorc parses that can compete with their magblade parses I would love to see them as that means I would definitely be doing something wrong.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280541067886198785/390348552418885642/Screenshot_20171212_224227.png
Yes I understand that parse is guarded but let me tell you I'm too far away on that fight for guard to make a difference
I don't know if Ra Kotu (essentially a training dummy) is a good place to compare. Magblade, much like stamina excells more at training dummy fights since the lack of mechanics allows them to execute the perfect rotation. In any fight with proper mechanics parses become much more stabilized.
Besides, when everyone pulls DPS like that on a boss like that (610k group dps, 12% contribution, 79s fight) the entire parse becomes pretty much pointless. Nice sustained damage. 916 reg vs. 1652 drain.
Think vHoF bosses or vAS+2Edited by Dymence on December 19, 2017 7:37AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »I'm not sure if you have noticed. But the top magplar vma score(since that's all you talk about)uses force pulse as their main spammable, hardly ever touches sweeps
If you had seen the OP's other posts on the forum, then you would've seen that s/he only recently completed vMA for the first time--after quite a bit of struggle--during the Orsinium event. S/he is a relatively new player who is not CP-capped, does not have ideal gear. Etc.
So if you look at this thread from that standpoint--of someone who is not in PvE endgame and who is just dipping their toe in for the first time, it makes sense. There is a reason why people who clear vMA for the first time often go with sorc. There is a reason why guides and word-of-mouth recommend sorc for beginners. Their mistake is to extrapolate from that experience and make a broad claim about class balance in general, which is what has attracted so much attention to this thread. But that's a completely understandable mistake that you'd reasonably expect a person in that position to make.
In any case, for the vast majority of people who run vMA on a magplar, they will need Sweeps. For the vast majority of people who run vMA, they will find sorcs to be easier and simpler. Perhaps after a hundred more runs, the OP will be using Force Pulse and wondering why they had ever bothered with Sweeps. But they're not there... yet.
Speaking of vMA, I just took my sorc into the Arena for the first time. I was sooooo nervous! I kept thinking "I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die".
My first death was in round 5.
I couldn't believe what was happening. I fully expected to die dozens of times before round 3. Especially because Round 2 is so brutal on my magplar, since I need to be in melee range for sweeps to heal. With sorc I was like "Shield -> Heavy Attack -> Shield -> Heavy attack". Automatic heals. Big shields. Full health recovery with surge. Full mana recovery with heavy attacks.
In fact I was so enthused, I went and completed the entire arena in one sitting! Something I have never managed on the my magplar. It gave me some "score" that I've never gotten before, and something about completing a weekly timed trial. Total time 1 hour 39 minutes with a score of 399k or something like that.
In one sitting! I normally used to take days for a full vMA run on the magplar, with long breaks between arenas. This is easy mode! I killed the final boss Voriak Solkyn on my second try.
I'm not looking for nerfs or anything. I don't care about all that. I"m just in shock as to how easy this was compared to my other magplar runs!
This is confirmation bias. You think sorc is easy peasy and magplar is hard. So you thus attribute the reason for your easier time in Maelstrom, which is really because you are more experienced, to being a sorcerer.
There are plenty of people who like to sound all smart and snarky or who just have agendas that will say sorcerer is "easy mode" in vMA or in ESO in general. But what makes things easy has much less to do with class or setup or philosophy than it is knowledge of mechanics and experience.
The first time people go into vMA on a sorc, they get rekt repeatedly until they learn the mechanics. Just as they would any other class. All classes and specs have more than enough tools to roll through vMA and turn it into "easy mode" once players become familiar with the content and the class they are playing.
I disagree. I ran vMA on my magplar just a few days ago and died 4 times in round found 2. I'm still the same person. Only the class is different.
While I'm not denying that confirmation bias exists, this is not it. I didn't suddenly become 200% better in a couple of days. If I ran vMA again on my magplar, I would die several times before round 3. Let alone experience my first death in round 5!
If you are dying 4 times on a templar (or any class) in round 2, it's time to turn the difficulty from veteran to normal. How can I or anyone take your comparison seriously when you play magplars so poorly?
Are you saying Sorcs aren't easy though? Because they truly are the easiest class in the game.
You can run double pet with Inner Light on the front bar then add a shield and power surge to that. This leaves you with 3 skills you need to cast in a rotation. You'll get fantastic DPS, self-healing and survivability with minimal effort.
Sure vMA is still hard the first time around with a mag Sorc, but its still much easier with one than with another class.
Templar spamming Sweeps starts killing everything in the game from level 1 and never stops. That's as easy as it gets.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Templar can do the same damage as a non-pet sorc using only self buffs, and stay fully ranged. Puncturing sweep is actually a DPS loss, and same goes for Radiant Glory/Oppression at more than 12-15% HP.
The benefit of sweeps is that it heals you. You're right, I've found that force pulse does more damage (single target), than sweeps. But when there are 5 baddies standing next to you, Force Pulse will not keep you alive while you damage them at the same time.
They heal you but by staying melee you also take a lot more damage from boss/mobs, so it's a catch 22. It's also a very expensive skill, and hard to weave with since it's a channel, so it really screws your sustain. Unless you are attacking a big pack of stacked mobs - damage and healing scales with number of target hit - it's not even worth slotting. The 140% for the first target hit scaling has been broken for some time, and the damage inflicted on single target is very low, hence the healing. Since getting rid of that skill I was finally able to finish vMA on my Templar with some vitality left in about 1h. When staying melee and using puncturing it was a 2h+ death fest. That skill is simply garbage. As for healing I use 3 skills that do that: degeneration (both from ticks and LA/HA procs), ritual of retribution (huge area, easy to stay on it) and purifying light (also deals a lot of damage when it blows up, if you stack DoTs on target).Edited by Asardes on December 19, 2017 2:09PMBeta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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Foxic✭✭✭✭✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »In trials they are beat by Mag NB which is *especially* true if not using your pet. Mag Sorc makes good use of the Asylum staves though and is great at providing Offbalance, so their role in a raid will always be there.
It's simply not true dude. If you have 2 exactly equally skilled players the numbers between mag nb and sorc don't differ. This holds true for pretty much any trial.
I've always been a man of numbers, and I'll believe it if I see it. I'd like to think I'm a pretty good sorc having well over 5K hours on it and maining one in one of the games top groups as you do. However I am humiliated on a regular basis by LZH and Colt on their magblades. If you have some sorc parses that can compete with their magblade parses I would love to see them as that means I would definitely be doing something wrong.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280541067886198785/390348552418885642/Screenshot_20171212_224227.png
Yes I understand that parse is guarded but let me tell you I'm too far away on that fight for guard to make a difference
I don't know if Ra Kotu (essentially a training dummy) is a good place to compare. Magblade, much like stamina excells more at training dummy fights since the lack of mechanics allows them to execute the perfect rotation. In any fight with proper mechanics parses become much more stabilized.
Besides, when everyone pulls DPS like that on a boss like that (610k group dps, 12% contribution, 79s fight) the entire parse becomes pretty much pointless. Nice sustained damage. 916 reg vs. 1652 drain.
Think vHoF bosses or vAS+2
Yep I get destroyed in vas+2 as well. There's a reason we ran 7 magblades on our 111589 score pre felms nerfMechanically Challenged, PCNA competitive raid guild
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✭This is my first ever Don’t nerf sorc post!
Because I already leveled one up and I’m now using him as well The damage and ease of it is insane compared to my other classes xD so let’s let this die... Edited by Nelson_Rebel on December 19, 2017 1:39PM0 -
MakeMeUhSamich wrote: »Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »now go parse 35k+ without using a pet on your sorc.
pet sorcs can hurt the group in certain trial fights (stunning adds, causing chain lightning, etc) to the point where sometimes pets arent allowed.
35k+ is quite achievable with a non-pet build.
Yes i know. I hit 38-40k. Just saying its not quite as easy as slapping on a pet and hitting 30k.0 -
MakeMeUhSamich✭✭✭✭✭Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »MakeMeUhSamich wrote: »Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »now go parse 35k+ without using a pet on your sorc.
pet sorcs can hurt the group in certain trial fights (stunning adds, causing chain lightning, etc) to the point where sometimes pets arent allowed.
35k+ is quite achievable with a non-pet build.
Yes i know. I hit 38-40k. Just saying its not quite as easy as slapping on a pet and hitting 30k.
Coolio. Me, too. My best solo parse this patch is with using the Acuity set. I agree that adding a pet(s) is an easy 3-5k DPS increase, no doubt. Mind sharing your non-pet setup? I’m always interested in trying different sets/rotations.
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✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »In trials they are beat by Mag NB which is *especially* true if not using your pet. Mag Sorc makes good use of the Asylum staves though and is great at providing Offbalance, so their role in a raid will always be there.
It's simply not true dude. If you have 2 exactly equally skilled players the numbers between mag nb and sorc don't differ. This holds true for pretty much any trial.
I've always been a man of numbers, and I'll believe it if I see it. I'd like to think I'm a pretty good sorc having well over 5K hours on it and maining one in one of the games top groups as you do. However I am humiliated on a regular basis by LZH and Colt on their magblades. If you have some sorc parses that can compete with their magblade parses I would love to see them as that means I would definitely be doing something wrong.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280541067886198785/390348552418885642/Screenshot_20171212_224227.png
Yes I understand that parse is guarded but let me tell you I'm too far away on that fight for guard to make a difference
I don't know if Ra Kotu (essentially a training dummy) is a good place to compare. Magblade, much like stamina excells more at training dummy fights since the lack of mechanics allows them to execute the perfect rotation. In any fight with proper mechanics parses become much more stabilized.
Besides, when everyone pulls DPS like that on a boss like that (610k group dps, 12% contribution, 79s fight) the entire parse becomes pretty much pointless. Nice sustained damage. 916 reg vs. 1652 drain.
Think vHoF bosses or vAS+2
Yep I get destroyed in vas+2 as well. There's a reason we ran 7 magblades on our 111589 score pre felms nerf
I'm not far behind our nightblades, only about 1-3k at the moment and there is still a lot of room for improvement. I am Llothis interrupter so DPS is going to be lower regardless.
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bhagwad✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »
If you are dying 4 times on a templar (or any class) in round 2, it's time to turn the difficulty from veteran to normal. How can I or anyone take your comparison seriously when you play magplars so poorly?
Round 2 is the most difficult of all stages in Maelstrom for me. But it doesn't matter how many times I die, as long as I win in the end.
More to the point, how does it matter to you what level of difficulty I play on? Did I sign some contract agreeing to only run normal Maelstrom if I die several times in round 2? Do you I owe you something, and have therefore agreed not to get Maelstrom weapons for myself? Did you send me some money that I need to pay back by not running vet Maelstrom?
No? Then please explain to me why "It's time to turn the difficulty from veteran to normal"? Or is it just some random and arbitrary standard that you made up on the spot and demand that other people to follow for reasons unknown?
In any case, what comparison are you referring to exactly? I just told you that my magsorc experienced her first death only in round 5, compared to my magplar who dies several times in round 2. So you're not making use of the facts that I've given you, and are indulging in a red herring about round 2 deaths on one character, instead of focusing on the lack of deaths on the other.
This would seem to disprove your theory of confirmation bias. It's the class, not the person.Edited by bhagwad on December 19, 2017 2:56PM0 -
Foxic✭✭✭✭✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »In trials they are beat by Mag NB which is *especially* true if not using your pet. Mag Sorc makes good use of the Asylum staves though and is great at providing Offbalance, so their role in a raid will always be there.
It's simply not true dude. If you have 2 exactly equally skilled players the numbers between mag nb and sorc don't differ. This holds true for pretty much any trial.
I've always been a man of numbers, and I'll believe it if I see it. I'd like to think I'm a pretty good sorc having well over 5K hours on it and maining one in one of the games top groups as you do. However I am humiliated on a regular basis by LZH and Colt on their magblades. If you have some sorc parses that can compete with their magblade parses I would love to see them as that means I would definitely be doing something wrong.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280541067886198785/390348552418885642/Screenshot_20171212_224227.png
Yes I understand that parse is guarded but let me tell you I'm too far away on that fight for guard to make a difference
I don't know if Ra Kotu (essentially a training dummy) is a good place to compare. Magblade, much like stamina excells more at training dummy fights since the lack of mechanics allows them to execute the perfect rotation. In any fight with proper mechanics parses become much more stabilized.
Besides, when everyone pulls DPS like that on a boss like that (610k group dps, 12% contribution, 79s fight) the entire parse becomes pretty much pointless. Nice sustained damage. 916 reg vs. 1652 drain.
Think vHoF bosses or vAS+2
Yep I get destroyed in vas+2 as well. There's a reason we ran 7 magblades on our 111589 score pre felms nerf
I'm not far behind our nightblades, only about 1-3k at the moment and there is still a lot of room for improvement. I am Llothis interrupter so DPS is going to be lower regardless.
I'll be honest here that's higher than I was expecting. Still even based on that I wouldn't say that in general magsorc and magblade are as close as you say
Edit : I'll check the dps numbers again after we go back to asylum with the new felmsEdited by Foxic on December 19, 2017 2:55PMMechanically Challenged, PCNA competitive raid guild
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✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »In trials they are beat by Mag NB which is *especially* true if not using your pet. Mag Sorc makes good use of the Asylum staves though and is great at providing Offbalance, so their role in a raid will always be there.
It's simply not true dude. If you have 2 exactly equally skilled players the numbers between mag nb and sorc don't differ. This holds true for pretty much any trial.
I've always been a man of numbers, and I'll believe it if I see it. I'd like to think I'm a pretty good sorc having well over 5K hours on it and maining one in one of the games top groups as you do. However I am humiliated on a regular basis by LZH and Colt on their magblades. If you have some sorc parses that can compete with their magblade parses I would love to see them as that means I would definitely be doing something wrong.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280541067886198785/390348552418885642/Screenshot_20171212_224227.png
Yes I understand that parse is guarded but let me tell you I'm too far away on that fight for guard to make a difference
I don't know if Ra Kotu (essentially a training dummy) is a good place to compare. Magblade, much like stamina excells more at training dummy fights since the lack of mechanics allows them to execute the perfect rotation. In any fight with proper mechanics parses become much more stabilized.
Besides, when everyone pulls DPS like that on a boss like that (610k group dps, 12% contribution, 79s fight) the entire parse becomes pretty much pointless. Nice sustained damage. 916 reg vs. 1652 drain.
Think vHoF bosses or vAS+2
Yep I get destroyed in vas+2 as well. There's a reason we ran 7 magblades on our 111589 score pre felms nerf
I'm not far behind our nightblades, only about 1-3k at the moment and there is still a lot of room for improvement. I am Llothis interrupter so DPS is going to be lower regardless.
I'll be honest here that's higher than I was expecting. Still even based on that I wouldn't say that in general magsorc and magblade are as close as you say
All I can say is that from experience, I haven't been consistently outparsed by mag NBs in vHoF and vAS+2 and even when I am it's only by like 1-3k. Sometimes I am higher, sometimes I am lower. This is why I say it comes down to player skill when comparing the 2.
As for vMoL and Craglorn trials I honestly can't say since I haven't set foot in there for ages.Edited by Dymence on December 19, 2017 2:56PM0
