akray21 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

CP is actually why I never returned to ESO full time. The game punishes you if you take any extended time off. I'm creeping on 400 CP, but anytime I get the itch to play again I'm put off by the large amount of CP that I'm behind. Now that BGs require CP, I can't even play in those.

@akray21, honestly, as someone else already said, you're not missing that much power. If you're at CR400, you're already well in range to be running trials and dungeons, if you want. At that point, the CP will flow in, because you're getting a lot of XP for each dungeon clear. Also, because it's account wide, it means never having to grind up your alts through the CR climb. If one's at level, they all are.

EDIT: Honestly, honestly... d'oh.

I was mainly talking about PvP, where CP is much more important. PvE has grown very stale as I've do every everything a million times by now.

Including the CWC content?

I mean, to be fair, I do understand where you're coming from, though at the same time, we have just gotten a content drop.

EDIT: Also, running PvE content, particularly dungeons, will get you towards the CP cap much faster, and each patch that moves that spendable cap up, also reduces the cost of lower CP. So, you get more CP for your time now, than you did last year.

MercyKilling wrote: »

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

Some of us play at such a late hour that the population is 1/20th what it is at primetime. We have no other choice.

Then don't expect to get the cream of the crop in pugs. Ever.

I mean, my standard for PUGs is to expect that they haven't learned about weapon swapping yet (after reaching CR), which, by the way, I HAVE SEEN THIS. Anything beyond that is a perk.

Let's just say if you don't have at least 21,500 Achievement Points you cant run with any groups or group content! How about that?
(Note***: Sarcastic Mode Engaged)........ Lol..

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my take on it is: if you choose to be in Uber pool, you sure as hell can't choose who the driver or the program takes for your pax. you just hope for the best that they are regular people. unless you take UberX, in which then you get the whole ride to yourself, know what I'm saying?

you want to run achievements? join a guild of like minded individuals and run it. You pug? it's your luck of the clown crate draw. you chose to be in the economy class of the aircraft, you can't just say "why is this ____ seated beside me?" (insert whoever you are irritated with here). you sit down for the journey or you go fly your own jet, get me?

It's teamwork 101. here's some notes; take the time to teach. no time? leave. be patient. teach rotations. teach positioning. take your time to make some adjustments to your build so that the team benefits more, not just yourself. healer is not picking up the slack. point it out and help out. make sure you don't need that much heals and grab the mobs attacking the healer. tank not picking up slack? take some time to ask what's the build like? what are they focusing on? is it evasion? ulti gen build? blocking? what gear? if they don't want to listen to your help, leave. a 15min penalty can be covered with harvesting or chilling with the guildies.

Cp levels are never an indication of a person's efficiency or efficacy. I've completed dungeons with cp 160 on vet CoS. I've also seen how a cp500+ light attacks constantly in a dungeon because "that's what I've been doing all this while, grinding mobs in anchors and zones" While the difference in power level between a cp 160 and 600 is definitely a huge gap, it makes no difference if they don't know the mechanics of the dungeon or if they can't do teamwork very well.

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Honestly, some of this elitist CP stuff is really grating. I always give people a chance if they're low CP, if they die too easily, or too often in a vet dungeon, then yeah, no worries, seeya later.

Imo anything over 250CP is going to be more skill-based than anything. I did vet White-Gold last night with a CP96 tank (saw it and though "ahhh here we go") and honestly, he was one of the best tanks I've ever played with. I messaged him afterwards to say he did an awesome job - he was, like me, someone who'd transferred from the EU server being a max level player in EU. I'm the same. I was a max level and I'm now on 370CP in the NA server.

L2P guys! You're not special because you have max CP.

My take on the OP is that he's someone with 401 CP. In my experience it's those middling nouveau-CP's who are the worst elitists.

Those of us with 690+ did those long before we were anywhere near 400 and we know damn well it's just about knowing the mechanics and nothing else. All that elite level CP and DPS do is allow you to cheese the fights.

nnargun wrote: »

I'd say it's usually the first (few) time(s) in a vet dungeon people suck because they cannot learn the mechnaics on normal.

This is very true. I was with a group on normal in WGT the other day that had so much dps we burned Molag Kena so fast she never dropped the lightning wall at any point. That is something that never happens on Vet. I've seen the same thing in Vaults of Madness on normal. Burned the Architect before glass/soul mechanics kicked in. If you are a new player and end up in a group that can do that, you will go into vet mode thinking its a cakewalk.

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

My take on the OP is that he's someone with 401 CP. In my experience it's those middling nouveau-CP's who are the worst elitists.

Been 690 for a couple weeks.

You've been max level for two whole weeks?

No wonder your standards are so high...

(As previously mentioned...it's not about the CP's...)

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

I'd rather introduce a new feature into all dungeons, similar to veteran trials: after N deaths, the group is automatically disbanded. It is really annoying to enter a veteran "2" with a couple of low CPs who can't kill a critter in less than 10 minutes.

You are free to spend your free time as you want, but you should have respect for other's time. I do not expect all runs to be assassins' and no deaths. But if you do 9K on a dummy, have some dignitiy and go normal.

How does disbanding after x deaths help you not to get bored to death by low dps fights? If you don't wanna run with them, which I can understand in this case, leave the group and wait a few minutes. You obviously don't play dps so queuing should be no problem for you anyways. It's way worse if you have waited for half an hour to get into the dungeon and then get kicked because you have low CP.

edit: last sentence should be: ....because you have low CP, even though you could do the job better than many max CPs you have played with.

jaws343 wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

I'd say it's usually the first (few) time(s) in a vet dungeon people suck because they cannot learn the mechnaics on normal.

This is very true. I was with a group on normal in WGT the other day that had so much dps we burned Molag Kena so fast she never dropped the lightning wall at any point. That is something that never happens on Vet. I've seen the same thing in Vaults of Madness on normal. Burned the Architect before glass/soul mechanics kicked in. If you are a new player and end up in a group that can do that, you will go into vet mode thinking its a cakewalk.

List time I ran VoM it had been so long since I'd seen the Architect's mechanics, I had completely forgotten them. Not helped by the fact that two of our team were newbies.

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Taylor_MB wrote: »

If you can't carry a CP399...

you might be the problem.

carry me, let me sit there any do 0 dps, i want to see how u do

I've done it before, wouldn't be much of an issue to do it again.

Way back before 1t, well before vet ranks were removed, the day I hit vr1, I was like, I'm gonna do the vet pledge today! (I main a healer, he was my first toon). Before that point, I'd been reading up about the healing role in eso, watching vids, reading guides, etc. I got the vet pledge and it ended up being city of ash (now called city of ash 2). I knew it was currently the toughest dungeon given out by the red beard from what I read, but I got a group together (using zone chat (I had no guilds back then)), and we made it through every boss without a single wipe sans valkyn skoria (we were insistent on hardmode but didn't have the dps for it). CP means way less than knowledge of roll and content. The rampant prejudice, if anything, is disueding people from researching their role and the content, leaving them to believe they shouldn't bother with it until they're at cp cap or something close to it. I got my current raid group to give me a chance at cp 200 to heal vaa, soon after, we thought we'd try a burn run with one healer, and the trial was solo healed. Yes, CP affects things, but only to an extent, it does not compensate for, nor diminish, experience and knowledge of the game. To everyone who is near level 50 or just passed cp 160, start reading up on the things you want to do and role you want to play! Not everyone will write you off based on a number next to your gamertag. Sure you won't be setting dps records at 170CP, but if you can pull 18k plus, that's more than enough for pretty much any non hardmode content in this game (it won't be as easy as it would be with 30k, but it's doable if you can execute the mechanics that you're forced into with lower dps). Unless you're going for a high score, the game isn't about being fully levelled and golded out. start learning, start doing, and to everyone at the level cap or with a decent bit of experience, start teaching! I very frequently use the group finder on my healer to run dlc and non dlc vet dungeons, and stick around to teach the group things about their roll and mechanics if they're willing. As long as the group dps exists, in the worst case, I get good practice soloing mechanics like all the interrupts needed in vcos. Enough with cp counting, this isn't weight watchers. I'd much rather run with someone who is willing to learn or has good experience than someone who "gets 3.46% more resources back when they heavy attack"