NB numbers in BG

Vanzen · November 2017

4/6 out of 12 ... average.

Thogard · November 2017

I think that’s PvP in general

CavalryPK · November 2017

Stamblade or magblade ?

Thogard · November 2017

CavalryPK wrote: »

Stamblade or magblade ?

Guess

I don’t really mind since NBs are so terrible at playing objectives and at working together to get kills... and as a Stam den I’m not really at risk of dying unless I get significantly outplayed...

But it does bug me when I’m on team A and in a 2v4 or 1v4 with team B, and as soon as I start kiting at 40% health a NB on team C incaps me with RESOURCE POISONS. WHY?!?! You’re just making it so the other team can kill me!! Why?! WHY?!?!

tldr stamblades aren’t a problem unless they ruin my kiting with resource poisons, allowing better players or more useful classes to get a kill they otherwise wouldn’t have.

Lexxypwns · November 2017

Thogard wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

Stamblade or magblade ?

Guess

I don’t really mind since NBs are so terrible at playing objectives and at working together to get kills... and as a Stam den I’m not really at risk of dying unless I get significantly outplayed...

But it does bug me when I’m on team A and in a 2v4 or 1v4 with team B, and as soon as I start kiting at 40% health a NB on team C incaps me with RESOURCE POISONS. WHY?!?! You’re just making it so the other team can kill me!! Why?! WHY?!?!

tldr stamblades aren’t a problem unless they ruin my kiting with resource poisons, allowing better players or more useful classes to get a kill they otherwise wouldn’t have.

stamblade is devastating when played with your group, the perceived weakness is them being unable or unwilling to work with their group. The ability to use your group members to get space for cloak is really nice and the single target burst is obviously solid when they're allowed to work in space around a fight.

Kartalin · November 2017

Thogard I’m pretty sure you were as frustrated as I was when we fought a group with a pair of stamblades that would try to 2v1 gank us repeatedly with some success in a CTR match, completely ignoring objectives of course.

Edit: might have been Tay and I now that I think about it

Taylor_MB · November 2017

Kartalin wrote: »

Thogard I’m pretty sure you were as frustrated as I was when we fought a group with a pair of stamblades that would try to 2v1 gank us repeatedly with some success in a CTR match, completely ignoring objectives of course.

Edit: might have been Tay and I now that I think about it

Pretty sure that applies to everyone who has set foot in BG's

Don't remember specifically, but that is only because it happens so frequently.

Every team needs a Nightblade willing to get into the fights just for fear. It's so strong.

Sixty5 · November 2017

I've been running Stamblade since CWC.

Stam Sorc just feels bad in CP Battlegrounds, since you lack real tools to deal with tanks. Plus going fast is useless now that every objective has a *** sitting on it holding RMB.

Nightblade has better mobility with cloak and shadow image (when they work) and with Incap and Surprise Attack, I can actually deal with high mitigation and healing.

ToRelax · November 2017

Often a BG is full of either NBs or Sorcs.
NBs means it's easy to kill them, Sorcs means they can't deal with my shields.
On my team I don't really mind the NBs since I just need damage and defile to kill enemy tanks, though there seem to be more of them ignoring objectives than on the other classes, which is a bit annoying. Can't really blame them for it though, except the snipers who spend a whole match trying to gank whoever seems easiest to kill...

lazerlaz · November 2017

Not sure how it is on PC but feels like NB is lowest in PVP population for PS4. Sword and shield magplars #1 and DKs. I wish we had more Nightblades in pvp. Easiest class to kill. Tired of mag classes that can block for a long time.

del9 · November 2017

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

Thogard I’m pretty sure you were as frustrated as I was when we fought a group with a pair of stamblades that would try to 2v1 gank us repeatedly with some success in a CTR match, completely ignoring objectives of course.

Edit: might have been Tay and I now that I think about it

Pretty sure that applies to everyone who has set foot in BG's

Don't remember specifically, but that is only because it happens so frequently.

Every team needs a Nightblade willing to get into the fights just for fear. It's so strong.

Fear so strong in Chaos +CTR

doslekis · November 2017

lazerlaz wrote: »

Not sure how it is on PC but feels like NB is lowest in PVP population for PS4. Sword and shield magplars #1 and DKs. I wish we had more Nightblades in pvp. Easiest class to kill. Tired of mag classes that can block for a long time.

This. Cling clank cling clank, game ends you do 1m damage and get 2 kills.

You know they're everywhere when nightblade only get a death or two, because those sword and shield builds can only kill when they line up their Ultimates perfectly.

Vanzen · November 2017

A Mag DK

At the begining of each Bg I check the number of Nb

If acceptable I ll use 5l with a fun and balanced Mitig/dps build.

If too many Nb I ll go full heavy blocking turtle.

In fact the blocking problem comes from the insane NB burst.

Its absolutely no fun to get killed in 1.5 sec just walking to the objectives.

Thogard · November 2017

But guys let’s be honest here.

Are NBs annoying? Yes. Especially if there are two of them.

But if a team has two NBs on it in a BG match, that team will lose the match 80-90% of the time.

Annoying? Yes.

Effective for winning? No.

Lexxypwns · November 2017

Thogard wrote: »

But guys let’s be honest here.

Are NBs annoying? Yes. Especially if there are two of them.

But if a team has two NBs on it in a BG match, that team will lose the match 80-90% of the time.

Annoying? Yes.

Effective for winning? No.

Wife is making me wait til black friday to get morrowind on PC, but once I do I'll see if I can change your mind about it.

Players are losing on NB because they are choosing not to focus objectives not because NB can't be devastatingly effective in both stamina and magika variants. @xylena has a stamblade at or near the top of BG leaderboards on PC NA, showing that when a player has the right mindset they can contribute greatly to a team on NB. Some of my favorite BG matches on Xbox NA have been running double mageblade with @HEBREWHAMMERRR

It all comes down to the person behind the character, if you choose to operate as an effective part of your team then NB is going to function quite well in objective based game modes. Obviously it's very strong in DM as well in both stamina and magika variants since you can win or disengage most fights where you're alone and when allowed to work in space around your team you're unstoppable.

Thogard · November 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

But guys let’s be honest here.

Are NBs annoying? Yes. Especially if there are two of them.

But if a team has two NBs on it in a BG match, that team will lose the match 80-90% of the time.

Annoying? Yes.

Effective for winning? No.

Wife is making me wait til black friday to get morrowind on PC, but once I do I'll see if I can change your mind about it.

Players are losing on NB because they are choosing not to focus objectives not because NB can't be devastatingly effective in both stamina and magika variants. @xylena has a stamblade at or near the top of BG leaderboards on PC NA, showing that when a player has the right mindset they can contribute greatly to a team on NB. Some of my favorite BG matches on Xbox NA have been running double mageblade with @HEBREWHAMMERRR

It all comes down to the person behind the character, if you choose to operate as an effective part of your team then NB is going to function quite well in objective based game modes. Obviously it's very strong in DM as well in both stamina and magika variants since you can win or disengage most fights where you're alone and when allowed to work in space around your team you're unstoppable.

Xylene is a much better 1v1 player than I am - I don’t think I’ve ever beaten her in a duel. She’s also a really nice person and a very respectful opponent. That being said, her NB suffers from the same thing every other nightblade suffers from - a defense based on running away from the group rather than being able to hold their ground and continue doing dmg while being focused. If your dmg mitigation strategy involves running out of range of your healers and having to sacrifice position because of it, your team will not beat a well composed group with a healer and a target caller in voice chat.

You will see soon enough what I’m talking about

my group drops people fast - survival is based on getting healed, not kiting, because you can’t kite three Stam DPS using stampede and coordinating dawnbreakers. There are four really strong Stam sorcs that I run with regularly - competence, luh, del9, and jimbo. Their hurricane completely nullifies cloak.

Here is @competence ‘s build video. You can see in the second half of it what our Stam train does to the rolypolies. (There’s also a hilarious shot of me getting speared onto the chaos ball spawn and accidentally picking it up)

https://youtu.be/pi2pZNKV-wg

Lexxypwns · November 2017

Thogard wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

But guys let’s be honest here.

Are NBs annoying? Yes. Especially if there are two of them.

But if a team has two NBs on it in a BG match, that team will lose the match 80-90% of the time.

Annoying? Yes.

Effective for winning? No.

Wife is making me wait til black friday to get morrowind on PC, but once I do I'll see if I can change your mind about it.

Players are losing on NB because they are choosing not to focus objectives not because NB can't be devastatingly effective in both stamina and magika variants. @xylena has a stamblade at or near the top of BG leaderboards on PC NA, showing that when a player has the right mindset they can contribute greatly to a team on NB. Some of my favorite BG matches on Xbox NA have been running double mageblade with @HEBREWHAMMERRR

It all comes down to the person behind the character, if you choose to operate as an effective part of your team then NB is going to function quite well in objective based game modes. Obviously it's very strong in DM as well in both stamina and magika variants since you can win or disengage most fights where you're alone and when allowed to work in space around your team you're unstoppable.

Xylene is a much better 1v1 player than I am - I don’t think I’ve ever beaten her in a duel. She’s also a really nice person and a very respectful opponent. That being said, her NB suffers from the same thing every other nightblade suffers from - a defense based on running away from the group rather than being able to hold their ground and continue doing dmg while being focused. If your dmg mitigation strategy involves running out of range of your healers and having to sacrifice position because of it, your team will not beat a well composed group with a healer and a target caller in voice chat.

You will see soon enough what I’m talking about my group drops people fast - survival is based on getting healed, not kiting, because you can’t kite three Stam DPS using stampede and coordinating dawnbreakers. There are four really strong Stam sorcs that I run with regularly - competence, luh, del9, and jimbo. Their hurricane completely nullifies cloak.

Here is @competence ‘s build video. You can see in the second half of it what our Stam train does to the rolypolies. (There’s also a hilarious shot of me getting speared onto the chaos ball spawn and accidentally picking it up)

https://youtu.be/pi2pZNKV-wg

Agreed on Xy being on of the best players I've ever encountered in this game, ridiculously skilled and a class act.

I'm confused, you say stamblade is too susceptible to burst then show me a build with low resists and sustain. I don't see how you sustain that build when being focused either. You can't dark deal under pressure any more than you can cloak under pressure.

I'm not knocking the build, but its got the same weakness a stamblade would.

Trying to convince wifey that its not dumb to spend money on another copy of an expansion for a game so I can play it on a different platform because its unplayable on my preferred platform, then I'll be in BGs with you

. Come to think of it, it sounds a bit stupid...

Thogard · November 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

But guys let’s be honest here.

Are NBs annoying? Yes. Especially if there are two of them.

But if a team has two NBs on it in a BG match, that team will lose the match 80-90% of the time.

Annoying? Yes.

Effective for winning? No.

Wife is making me wait til black friday to get morrowind on PC, but once I do I'll see if I can change your mind about it.

Players are losing on NB because they are choosing not to focus objectives not because NB can't be devastatingly effective in both stamina and magika variants. @xylena has a stamblade at or near the top of BG leaderboards on PC NA, showing that when a player has the right mindset they can contribute greatly to a team on NB. Some of my favorite BG matches on Xbox NA have been running double mageblade with @HEBREWHAMMERRR

It all comes down to the person behind the character, if you choose to operate as an effective part of your team then NB is going to function quite well in objective based game modes. Obviously it's very strong in DM as well in both stamina and magika variants since you can win or disengage most fights where you're alone and when allowed to work in space around your team you're unstoppable.

Xylene is a much better 1v1 player than I am - I don’t think I’ve ever beaten her in a duel. She’s also a really nice person and a very respectful opponent. That being said, her NB suffers from the same thing every other nightblade suffers from - a defense based on running away from the group rather than being able to hold their ground and continue doing dmg while being focused. If your dmg mitigation strategy involves running out of range of your healers and having to sacrifice position because of it, your team will not beat a well composed group with a healer and a target caller in voice chat.

You will see soon enough what I’m talking about my group drops people fast - survival is based on getting healed, not kiting, because you can’t kite three Stam DPS using stampede and coordinating dawnbreakers. There are four really strong Stam sorcs that I run with regularly - competence, luh, del9, and jimbo. Their hurricane completely nullifies cloak.

Here is @competence ‘s build video. You can see in the second half of it what our Stam train does to the rolypolies. (There’s also a hilarious shot of me getting speared onto the chaos ball spawn and accidentally picking it up)

https://youtu.be/pi2pZNKV-wg

Agreed on Xy being on of the best players I've ever encountered in this game, ridiculously skilled and a class act.

I'm confused, you say stamblade is too susceptible to burst then show me a build with low resists and sustain. I don't see how you sustain that build when being focused either. You can't dark deal under pressure any more than you can cloak under pressure.

I'm not knocking the build, but its got the same weakness a stamblade would.

Trying to convince wifey that its not dumb to spend money on another copy of an expansion for a game so I can play it on a different platform because its unplayable on my preferred platform, then I'll be in BGs with you . Come to think of it, it sounds a bit stupid...

It has most of the same weaknesses a stamblade would, but using crit surge instead of vanish synergizes much better with group cohesion. Furthermore, he has negate, which helps significantly with killing groups with magplars. But most of all, he’s easy for me to track so I or another warden can hit him with trees or spores. NBs dont have the passive healing and dmg and are much harder for me to “track” - surprise attack is also not nearly as easy to follow or focus off of as stampede is.

Could an NB work well on a Stam train? Sure. But you’d have to drop either your stamplar (purge / snare OP in push groups), your stam warden (burst + trees), or your Stam sorc (negate for casters, hurricane for NBs)... or even worse, your healer.

Lexxypwns · November 2017

Thogard wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

But guys let’s be honest here.

Are NBs annoying? Yes. Especially if there are two of them.

But if a team has two NBs on it in a BG match, that team will lose the match 80-90% of the time.

Annoying? Yes.

Effective for winning? No.

Wife is making me wait til black friday to get morrowind on PC, but once I do I'll see if I can change your mind about it.

Players are losing on NB because they are choosing not to focus objectives not because NB can't be devastatingly effective in both stamina and magika variants. @xylena has a stamblade at or near the top of BG leaderboards on PC NA, showing that when a player has the right mindset they can contribute greatly to a team on NB. Some of my favorite BG matches on Xbox NA have been running double mageblade with @HEBREWHAMMERRR

It all comes down to the person behind the character, if you choose to operate as an effective part of your team then NB is going to function quite well in objective based game modes. Obviously it's very strong in DM as well in both stamina and magika variants since you can win or disengage most fights where you're alone and when allowed to work in space around your team you're unstoppable.

Xylene is a much better 1v1 player than I am - I don’t think I’ve ever beaten her in a duel. She’s also a really nice person and a very respectful opponent. That being said, her NB suffers from the same thing every other nightblade suffers from - a defense based on running away from the group rather than being able to hold their ground and continue doing dmg while being focused. If your dmg mitigation strategy involves running out of range of your healers and having to sacrifice position because of it, your team will not beat a well composed group with a healer and a target caller in voice chat.

You will see soon enough what I’m talking about my group drops people fast - survival is based on getting healed, not kiting, because you can’t kite three Stam DPS using stampede and coordinating dawnbreakers. There are four really strong Stam sorcs that I run with regularly - competence, luh, del9, and jimbo. Their hurricane completely nullifies cloak.

Here is @competence ‘s build video. You can see in the second half of it what our Stam train does to the rolypolies. (There’s also a hilarious shot of me getting speared onto the chaos ball spawn and accidentally picking it up)

https://youtu.be/pi2pZNKV-wg

Agreed on Xy being on of the best players I've ever encountered in this game, ridiculously skilled and a class act.

I'm confused, you say stamblade is too susceptible to burst then show me a build with low resists and sustain. I don't see how you sustain that build when being focused either. You can't dark deal under pressure any more than you can cloak under pressure.

I'm not knocking the build, but its got the same weakness a stamblade would.

Trying to convince wifey that its not dumb to spend money on another copy of an expansion for a game so I can play it on a different platform because its unplayable on my preferred platform, then I'll be in BGs with you . Come to think of it, it sounds a bit stupid...

It has most of the same weaknesses a stamblade would, but using crit surge instead of vanish synergizes much better with group cohesion. Furthermore, he has negate, which helps significantly with killing groups with magplars. But most of all, he’s easy for me to track so I or another warden can hit him with trees or spores. NBs dont have the passive healing and dmg and are much harder for me to “track” - surprise attack is also not nearly as easy to follow or focus off of as stampede is.

Could an NB work well on a Stam train? Sure. But you’d have to drop either your stamplar (purge / snare OP in push groups), your stam warden (burst + trees), or your Stam sorc (negate for casters, hurricane for NBs)... or even worse, your healer.

It's interesting that you feel there's a stam BGs meta on PC NA when that's the opposite of XboxNA. Pretty interested to check it out

Thogard · November 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

But guys let’s be honest here.

Are NBs annoying? Yes. Especially if there are two of them.

But if a team has two NBs on it in a BG match, that team will lose the match 80-90% of the time.

Annoying? Yes.

Effective for winning? No.

Wife is making me wait til black friday to get morrowind on PC, but once I do I'll see if I can change your mind about it.

Players are losing on NB because they are choosing not to focus objectives not because NB can't be devastatingly effective in both stamina and magika variants. @xylena has a stamblade at or near the top of BG leaderboards on PC NA, showing that when a player has the right mindset they can contribute greatly to a team on NB. Some of my favorite BG matches on Xbox NA have been running double mageblade with @HEBREWHAMMERRR

It all comes down to the person behind the character, if you choose to operate as an effective part of your team then NB is going to function quite well in objective based game modes. Obviously it's very strong in DM as well in both stamina and magika variants since you can win or disengage most fights where you're alone and when allowed to work in space around your team you're unstoppable.

Xylene is a much better 1v1 player than I am - I don’t think I’ve ever beaten her in a duel. She’s also a really nice person and a very respectful opponent. That being said, her NB suffers from the same thing every other nightblade suffers from - a defense based on running away from the group rather than being able to hold their ground and continue doing dmg while being focused. If your dmg mitigation strategy involves running out of range of your healers and having to sacrifice position because of it, your team will not beat a well composed group with a healer and a target caller in voice chat.

You will see soon enough what I’m talking about my group drops people fast - survival is based on getting healed, not kiting, because you can’t kite three Stam DPS using stampede and coordinating dawnbreakers. There are four really strong Stam sorcs that I run with regularly - competence, luh, del9, and jimbo. Their hurricane completely nullifies cloak.

Here is @competence ‘s build video. You can see in the second half of it what our Stam train does to the rolypolies. (There’s also a hilarious shot of me getting speared onto the chaos ball spawn and accidentally picking it up)

https://youtu.be/pi2pZNKV-wg

Agreed on Xy being on of the best players I've ever encountered in this game, ridiculously skilled and a class act.

I'm confused, you say stamblade is too susceptible to burst then show me a build with low resists and sustain. I don't see how you sustain that build when being focused either. You can't dark deal under pressure any more than you can cloak under pressure.

I'm not knocking the build, but its got the same weakness a stamblade would.

Trying to convince wifey that its not dumb to spend money on another copy of an expansion for a game so I can play it on a different platform because its unplayable on my preferred platform, then I'll be in BGs with you . Come to think of it, it sounds a bit stupid...

It has most of the same weaknesses a stamblade would, but using crit surge instead of vanish synergizes much better with group cohesion. Furthermore, he has negate, which helps significantly with killing groups with magplars. But most of all, he’s easy for me to track so I or another warden can hit him with trees or spores. NBs dont have the passive healing and dmg and are much harder for me to “track” - surprise attack is also not nearly as easy to follow or focus off of as stampede is.

Could an NB work well on a Stam train? Sure. But you’d have to drop either your stamplar (purge / snare OP in push groups), your stam warden (burst + trees), or your Stam sorc (negate for casters, hurricane for NBs)... or even worse, your healer.

It's interesting that you feel there's a stam BGs meta on PC NA when that's the opposite of XboxNA. Pretty interested to check it out

Oh yeah it’s been that way for a while.

Mag is better if you’re a pug and fighting pugs.

But against a good 4man, your light armor wearers will not survive long enough to be effective unless there’s a guard tank on them. From the Xbox and console vids I’ve seen, I think the biggest difference is the speed of play. It’s rare I see someone running speed pots on console. On PC it’s a requirement. With speed + sprint + gapclosers, your caster or healer will have three Stam DPS with immov pots up and shuffle / FM up converge on them before they can get a single offensive spell off (unless they skip the shield).

There are tons of really good mag players on PC that can stay alive using teleport, but they’re the exception, not the rule.

Mag sorcs always get tab targeted by me at the start of the BG because if you leave them alone they’ll tear you up. If I see Oralia or beepee or laitanobi or static wave or banana king in the BG, they stay tab targeted the entire time, and as soon as they get close they get a stampede.

Lexxypwns · November 2017

Thogard wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

But guys let’s be honest here.

Are NBs annoying? Yes. Especially if there are two of them.

But if a team has two NBs on it in a BG match, that team will lose the match 80-90% of the time.

Annoying? Yes.

Effective for winning? No.

Wife is making me wait til black friday to get morrowind on PC, but once I do I'll see if I can change your mind about it.

Players are losing on NB because they are choosing not to focus objectives not because NB can't be devastatingly effective in both stamina and magika variants. @xylena has a stamblade at or near the top of BG leaderboards on PC NA, showing that when a player has the right mindset they can contribute greatly to a team on NB. Some of my favorite BG matches on Xbox NA have been running double mageblade with @HEBREWHAMMERRR

It all comes down to the person behind the character, if you choose to operate as an effective part of your team then NB is going to function quite well in objective based game modes. Obviously it's very strong in DM as well in both stamina and magika variants since you can win or disengage most fights where you're alone and when allowed to work in space around your team you're unstoppable.

Xylene is a much better 1v1 player than I am - I don’t think I’ve ever beaten her in a duel. She’s also a really nice person and a very respectful opponent. That being said, her NB suffers from the same thing every other nightblade suffers from - a defense based on running away from the group rather than being able to hold their ground and continue doing dmg while being focused. If your dmg mitigation strategy involves running out of range of your healers and having to sacrifice position because of it, your team will not beat a well composed group with a healer and a target caller in voice chat.

You will see soon enough what I’m talking about my group drops people fast - survival is based on getting healed, not kiting, because you can’t kite three Stam DPS using stampede and coordinating dawnbreakers. There are four really strong Stam sorcs that I run with regularly - competence, luh, del9, and jimbo. Their hurricane completely nullifies cloak.

Here is @competence ‘s build video. You can see in the second half of it what our Stam train does to the rolypolies. (There’s also a hilarious shot of me getting speared onto the chaos ball spawn and accidentally picking it up)

https://youtu.be/pi2pZNKV-wg

Agreed on Xy being on of the best players I've ever encountered in this game, ridiculously skilled and a class act.

I'm confused, you say stamblade is too susceptible to burst then show me a build with low resists and sustain. I don't see how you sustain that build when being focused either. You can't dark deal under pressure any more than you can cloak under pressure.

I'm not knocking the build, but its got the same weakness a stamblade would.

Trying to convince wifey that its not dumb to spend money on another copy of an expansion for a game so I can play it on a different platform because its unplayable on my preferred platform, then I'll be in BGs with you . Come to think of it, it sounds a bit stupid...

It has most of the same weaknesses a stamblade would, but using crit surge instead of vanish synergizes much better with group cohesion. Furthermore, he has negate, which helps significantly with killing groups with magplars. But most of all, he’s easy for me to track so I or another warden can hit him with trees or spores. NBs dont have the passive healing and dmg and are much harder for me to “track” - surprise attack is also not nearly as easy to follow or focus off of as stampede is.

Could an NB work well on a Stam train? Sure. But you’d have to drop either your stamplar (purge / snare OP in push groups), your stam warden (burst + trees), or your Stam sorc (negate for casters, hurricane for NBs)... or even worse, your healer.

It's interesting that you feel there's a stam BGs meta on PC NA when that's the opposite of XboxNA. Pretty interested to check it out

Oh yeah it’s been that way for a while.

Mag is better if you’re a pug and fighting pugs.

But against a good 4man, your light armor wearers will not survive long enough to be effective unless there’s a guard tank on them. From the Xbox and console vids I’ve seen, I think the biggest difference is the speed of play. It’s rare I see someone running speed pots on console. On PC it’s a requirement. With speed + sprint + gapclosers, your caster or healer will have three Stam DPS with immov pots up and shuffle / FM up converge on them before they can get a single offensive spell off (unless they skip the shield).

There are tons of really good mag players on PC that can stay alive using teleport, but they’re the exception, not the rule.

Mag sorcs always get tab targeted by me at the start of the BG because if you leave them alone they’ll tear you up. If I see Oralia or beepee or laitanobi or static wave or banana king in the BG, they stay tab targeted the entire time, and as soon as they get close they get a stampede.

Resto ult still exists and still makes you unkillable and opens up a guaranteed offensive burst window. Magika has superior group utility, by a lot, as well. I can see the obvious appeal of focused burst, but what happens when someone counters or survives the burst?

I'm not disagreeing, just curious about your thoughts.

Its basically deathball vs dive and I think deathball is the superior meta and is stronger as a magika heavy team.

waitwhat · November 2017

Thogard wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

Stamblade or magblade ?

Guess

I don’t really mind since NBs are so terrible at playing objectives and at working together to get kills... and as a Stam den I’m not really at risk of dying unless I get significantly outplayed...

But it does bug me when I’m on team A and in a 2v4 or 1v4 with team B, and as soon as I start kiting at 40% health a NB on team C incaps me with RESOURCE POISONS. WHY?!?! You’re just making it so the other team can kill me!! Why?! WHY?!?!

tldr stamblades aren’t a problem unless they ruin my kiting with resource poisons, allowing better players or more useful classes to get a kill they otherwise wouldn’t have.

@Thogard

I mean...that sounds like pretty effective group play, even if it's sometimes the other team that gets a kill. Maybe you should reassess the kiting strategy in the presence of a stamblade.

Fun Fact: A significant part of the stamblade's toolkit involves debuffs.

xylena · November 2017

Thanks for the compliments everyone

My heavy armor stamblade has been doing well across all game modes. The problem is...

"If you're this good on ______, imagine how good you'd be on a stam warden!"

Thogard · November 2017

xylena wrote: »

Thanks for the compliments everyone

My heavy armor stamblade has been doing well across all game modes. The problem is...

"If you're this good on ______, imagine how good you'd be on a stam warden!"

Hey stamdens aren’t OP. At least not according to everyone yelling at me in the thread I made about how OP stamdens are.

I gave up and made one and I’m getting addicted to the versatility. I think Stam NB is really the only class that gives me trouble because it has a defile built into its burst combo. But even then warden is really strong IMO.

Or maybe I just became a much better player when I switched to one. Who knows