[Vid] Why People Use Miat's PvP Alerts

Scamh · November 2017

Hm. I've been playing NB a lot lately, and every time I walk - never sneak - out of a keep door, it takes about 10 seconds for some zergblade to mark me, follow me in stealth, and wait for the Xv1 gank - sometimes for a very long time, it's kind of weird. Go stalk someone else, Weinstein. So, I'm pretty chill about it now cause I've learned how to deal with it, well, mostly. When I'm brightly glowing red again and I stroll into the enemy faction stack, there's not much I can do to save the situation haha.

I'm sorta joking but this is actually my default state on NB, this "going to get sniped any second now". Still, I'll never use Miat's. Someone once told me that having the addon installed was very rewarding. I don't understand. I get my "rewarding" out of actually outplaying them. Paying attention to the combat sound (when it works). Killing them. Giving them a little bag. Eloquently informing them how bad they are.

(I also carry 300 detect potions)

That being said, I would be a great fan of piercing mark preventing the caster from stealthing for the duration of the debuff. Let's see who marks who then

Ackwalan wrote: »

You complain about people using stealth and snipe, when all you do is hold block and use lava whip.

...and nightblades have no counter to block... OH WAIT.

btw, tay mostly spams wings ex dee

Iselin · November 2017

Scamh wrote: »

Hm. I've been playing NB a lot lately, and every time I walk - never sneak - out of a keep door

See that, in a nutshell, is the problem with you stealth haters... you're so proud and think it's a manly man thing to do not using stealth that you actually brag about doing something stupid. It's the "duel me, bro" mentality of people who don't get how RvR is different from duels.

Taylor_MB · November 2017

Iselin wrote: »

... you're so proud and think it's a manly man thing to do

Heisa is the manliest of men, this is known.

Scamh · November 2017

Yeah, creeping along in stealth and burning through my stamina in the non-cp campaign is the smartest thing I've ever heard, thanks for pointing it out. As of now, I will slowly struggle sneak past every crappy gankblade instead of slaughtering them.

Two questions:

1 - Where do I creep to, directions unclear

2 - Would equipping a bow and slotting snipe make me manlier

Thanks in advance for the advice.

Iselin · November 2017

Scamh wrote: »

2 - Would equipping a bow and slotting snipe make me manlier

Thanks in advance for the advice.

No but I'm sure bagging does lol

Scamh · November 2017

Iselin wrote: »

Scamh wrote: »

2 - Would equipping a bow and slotting snipe make me manlier

Thanks in advance for the advice.

No but I'm sure bagging does lol

bag (m/f)
the alternatives will surely get snipped by zos

MattT1988 · November 2017

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

And you can hear snipe coming, just open your ears. If you don't hear when it's coming, then you deserve to get hit.

true, 1hit may got throuh but if you dont get block and,or shields up for the second u even deserve to die

You almost understand. Using an add-on telling you someone has block up, is just as cheesy as using an add-on to tell you a snipe attack is coming.

you can hear snipes inc if you pay attention on it. and you can clearly see when someone has block up.
So if you need an addon for it or not just depends on the players skill and nothing else.

Sure. When the sound in this game actually works.

Jade1986 · November 2017

Feanor wrote: »

I think the reason why people use the notifications part of the excellent addon is they’re fed up with stealth. But I’m not interested in another discussion @DDuke and his companions will turn into a essay contest again.

And I am fed up with sword and shield heavy armor uppercut spammers, but hey, I didnt develop an add on to destroy that playstyle, because it isn't possible. If it annoys you so much, then you shouldnt be playing this game.

DDuke · November 2017

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

So the informative part is people use MIat's because stealth exists? OK... thanks for the tip.:)

You're welcome

DDuke wrote: »

Of course it is, especially on a DK.

Against one person, I could permablock with zero sturdy as long as I use S&B on either of my DKs.

It was my understanding that "perma block" generally referred to a tank vs 10+ people never running out of stamina. Perhaps we need an ESO Urban Dictionary to define these terms. Not saying your definition is wrong, but your saying "perma block" covers everyone with S+B? That seems entirely too large a grouping to be helpful to any conversation.

Yep, if you ask me, S&B needs a massive nerf. Almost every meta build out there uses it at the moment, either main bar or just off bar to fall back to.

It is over-represented in the current meta, which is why so many people complain about the "tank&heal" meta and part of why PvP population has been on a steady decline for a while now.

Taylor_MB wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

I still don't understand the point of your video. You kill 4 bow users basicly holding block & spamming gap closers and whip, and somehow snipe is overpowered because people use a stealth skill?

I don't have a gap closer slotted...

The video was merely meant to demonstrate why some people chose to use Miat's PvP Alerts. Because fighting outnumbered against players in stealth sucks. As I said previously, the only reason I didn't die was because those players were new to PvP.

Fighting outnumbered against anyone sucks.

Still, I'd rather fight outnumbered against 4-5 bow users (and probably win) than fight against even 2-3 permablock cancer builds.

We all have our preferences.

Feanor · November 2017

Jade1986 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I think the reason why people use the notifications part of the excellent addon is they’re fed up with stealth. But I’m not interested in another discussion @DDuke and his companions will turn into a essay contest again.

And I am fed up with sword and shield heavy armor uppercut spammers, but hey, I didnt develop an add on to destroy that playstyle, because it isn't possible. If it annoys you so much, then you shouldnt be playing this game.

I’m not using the notifications. I use the rest of the addon however. And it’s great. I’m not annoyed either. I just find it hilarious that people think Xv1 snipe spamming is somehow skilled.

Jade1986 · November 2017

Goshua wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

I think a lot of people know why people use it, the greater issue is the whole point of stealth is to be hidden and the add on sort of ruins that.

It just plays too much of the game for you, it would be better without it but as of now it's the meta.

Have you never had four NB's just spamming poison injection at you while you try to deal with the first guy that didn't quite one shot (edit : lmao) you?

it plays very less of the game for you than most people think, perhaps I am ignorant. I run with and without it and unless I'm missing a lot its not a fail safe. oh and Detection pots.

You are running 5 piece stury, that is your problem there, you are getting almost 1 shotted because you dont have enough impen. You dont get to have everything. Stealth based toons are almost always glass cannons, we hit hard and fast, but if we get caught off we are usually dead pretty quick. Even more so for non NB archer builds. You should have at least 2 heals on your back bar, block, use those and retreat, and usually you can get away. If you do not use all the available counters to stealth that is-your- fault, and we shouldn't get punished for your lack of engagement , you should, by dying.

DDuke · November 2017

Feanor wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I think the reason why people use the notifications part of the excellent addon is they’re fed up with stealth. But I’m not interested in another discussion @DDuke and his companions will turn into a essay contest again.

And I am fed up with sword and shield heavy armor uppercut spammers, but hey, I didnt develop an add on to destroy that playstyle, because it isn't possible. If it annoys you so much, then you shouldnt be playing this game.

I’m not using the notifications. I use the rest of the addon however. And it’s great. I’m not annoyed either. I just find it hilarious that people think Xv1 snipe spamming is somehow skilled.

If you don't think it is, prove that. Win some duels with a bow build, 1vX - if it doesn't require skill to pull off it should be easy for you, right?

I find it hilarious people (who have clearly never in their life played a bow build) make this "no skill" argument for anything they dislike.

Feanor · November 2017

DDuke wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I think the reason why people use the notifications part of the excellent addon is they’re fed up with stealth. But I’m not interested in another discussion @DDuke and his companions will turn into a essay contest again.

And I am fed up with sword and shield heavy armor uppercut spammers, but hey, I didnt develop an add on to destroy that playstyle, because it isn't possible. If it annoys you so much, then you shouldnt be playing this game.

I’m not using the notifications. I use the rest of the addon however. And it’s great. I’m not annoyed either. I just find it hilarious that people think Xv1 snipe spamming is somehow skilled.

If you don't think it is, prove that. Win some duels with a bow build, 1vX - if it doesn't require skill to pull off it should be easy for you, right?

I find it hilarious people (who have clearly never in their life played a bow build) make this "no skill" argument for anything they dislike.

You should reread the part you bolded more closely. Especially the Xv1 part.

Jade1986 · November 2017

Berenhir wrote: »

Yeah, the pestilence of snipe spamming dung piles needs to be extinguished from the face of cyrodiil.

The problem is not griefing other players, which is basically what snipe spamming is all about, the problem is the zero risk mentality ZOS implemented for such pathetic losers.

By the way: OP is not using Miat's PvP Alerts' incoming projectile function and no, you cannot hear projectiles without sound and no, not all casted projectiles are animated by the game engine. The moment more than a certain amount of skills are active at once, the animations of AoE and projectiles vanish and cannot be identified quickly without addon (feared animation not playing, negate not visible, snipe not visible etc. pp.).

I could say people hiding behind shields and heavy armors are a cowardly pesitlence that need to be purged from cyro. See how that works? If your spacial awareness is awful, then you deserve to be punished by dying.

Taylor_MB · November 2017

DDuke wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I think the reason why people use the notifications part of the excellent addon is they’re fed up with stealth. But I’m not interested in another discussion @DDuke and his companions will turn into a essay contest again.

And I am fed up with sword and shield heavy armor uppercut spammers, but hey, I didnt develop an add on to destroy that playstyle, because it isn't possible. If it annoys you so much, then you shouldnt be playing this game.

I’m not using the notifications. I use the rest of the addon however. And it’s great. I’m not annoyed either. I just find it hilarious that people think Xv1 snipe spamming is somehow skilled.

If you don't think it is, prove that. Win some duels with a bow build, 1vX - if it doesn't require skill to pull off it should be easy for you, right?

I find it hilarious people (who have clearly never in their life played a bow build) make this "no skill" argument for anything they dislike.

Xv1'ing with snipe is completely different from winning a duel with a bow. Those are not even close comparable.

Xv1'ing with anything is completely different from winning a duel with whatever that thing is.

DDuke · November 2017

Feanor wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I think the reason why people use the notifications part of the excellent addon is they’re fed up with stealth. But I’m not interested in another discussion @DDuke and his companions will turn into a essay contest again.

And I am fed up with sword and shield heavy armor uppercut spammers, but hey, I didnt develop an add on to destroy that playstyle, because it isn't possible. If it annoys you so much, then you shouldnt be playing this game.

I’m not using the notifications. I use the rest of the addon however. And it’s great. I’m not annoyed either. I just find it hilarious that people think Xv1 snipe spamming is somehow skilled.

If you don't think it is, prove that. Win some duels with a bow build, 1vX - if it doesn't require skill to pull off it should be easy for you, right?

I find it hilarious people (who have clearly never in their life played a bow build) make this "no skill" argument for anything they dislike.

You should reread the part you bolded more closely. Especially the Xv1 part.

Sorry, my brains probably couldn't comprehend "skill" and "Xv1" in the same sentence and overlooked that bit.

Tell me, what is a "skillful Xv1 build"? The problem isn't people using snipe, the problem is people zerging & Xv1'ing.

DDuke · November 2017

Taylor_MB wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I think the reason why people use the notifications part of the excellent addon is they’re fed up with stealth. But I’m not interested in another discussion @DDuke and his companions will turn into a essay contest again.

And I am fed up with sword and shield heavy armor uppercut spammers, but hey, I didnt develop an add on to destroy that playstyle, because it isn't possible. If it annoys you so much, then you shouldnt be playing this game.

I’m not using the notifications. I use the rest of the addon however. And it’s great. I’m not annoyed either. I just find it hilarious that people think Xv1 snipe spamming is somehow skilled.

If you don't think it is, prove that. Win some duels with a bow build, 1vX - if it doesn't require skill to pull off it should be easy for you, right?

I find it hilarious people (who have clearly never in their life played a bow build) make this "no skill" argument for anything they dislike.

Xv1'ing with snipe is completely different from winning a duel with a bow. Those are not even close comparable.

Xv1'ing with anything is completely different from winning a duel with whatever that thing is.

No Sh*t Sherlock.

Now you're getting to the core of the issue.

How do you think addons like Miat's affects players (like me) who actually duel and 1vX with a bow build utilizing Snipe? Or any other build utilizing a cast time ability for that matter.

You may think those Xv1ers deserve all the punishment they can get, but it also affects people who don't Xv1.

Fun fact: for a bow user, permablock magicka DKs that uncloak you, snare you & immobilize you while spamming undodgeable damage are a much bigger problem in 1vX than some Xv1 snipe spammers.

When I'm 1vX'ing or dueling on my other melee stamblade, magplars are the most hated builds (still not archers) in both 1v1 & 1vX.

Biro123 · November 2017

Voxicity wrote: »

I actually don't understand why people have any problems with gankers in the game's current meta. I used to get ganked multiple times per evening of PvPing, now I don't even remember the last time I was ganked and I run around Cyrodiil with like 22k health. Pretty much a prime target.

Nor can I successfully pull off a gank unless the target is afk or has extremely low health, like 20k. Otherwise they just cc break and begin perma blocking.

And I think there are like 2 snipers in vivec pc eu right now, a couple of DC players.

So yeah, I think it's just that people still have a hate for the old times when ganking actually was a problem and happened frequently. I don't mind that ganking is less effective these days, I just wish it wasn't replaced with the tanky perma blocking meta. Slow gameplay is mind numbingly boring for me.

There are *loads* of AD snipers. mostly behind a zerg or in a keep, so stealthed or not doesn't really matter..

Jade1986 · November 2017

Feanor wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I think the reason why people use the notifications part of the excellent addon is they’re fed up with stealth. But I’m not interested in another discussion @DDuke and his companions will turn into a essay contest again.

And I am fed up with sword and shield heavy armor uppercut spammers, but hey, I didnt develop an add on to destroy that playstyle, because it isn't possible. If it annoys you so much, then you shouldnt be playing this game.

I’m not using the notifications. I use the rest of the addon however. And it’s great. I’m not annoyed either. I just find it hilarious that people think Xv1 snipe spamming is somehow skilled.

If you die from snipe alone something is wrong with your build. I run 7 medium and dont even die from it. Play an archer warden. Go ahead, it takes a ton of kiting, a ton of spacial awareness, and you have to be well aware of your surroundings. Or a non nb archer of any class for that matter. Once you are exposed from stealth, the pressure is on, it is kill or be killed. Unless you are really good at retreating. Also, I have no problem with the rest of the add on, only that notification part.

Scamh · November 2017

DDuke wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I think the reason why people use the notifications part of the excellent addon is they’re fed up with stealth. But I’m not interested in another discussion @DDuke and his companions will turn into a essay contest again.

And I am fed up with sword and shield heavy armor uppercut spammers, but hey, I didnt develop an add on to destroy that playstyle, because it isn't possible. If it annoys you so much, then you shouldnt be playing this game.

I’m not using the notifications. I use the rest of the addon however. And it’s great. I’m not annoyed either. I just find it hilarious that people think Xv1 snipe spamming is somehow skilled.

If you don't think it is, prove that. Win some duels with a bow build, 1vX - if it doesn't require skill to pull off it should be easy for you, right?

I find it hilarious people (who have clearly never in their life played a bow build) make this "no skill" argument for anything they dislike.

You should reread the part you bolded more closely. Especially the Xv1 part.

Sorry, my brains probably couldn't comprehend "skill" and "Xv1" in the same sentence and overlooked that bit.

Tell me, what is a "skillful Xv1 build"? The problem isn't people using snipe, the problem is people zerging & Xv1'ing.

snipe + soul assault

Feanor · November 2017

DDuke wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I think the reason why people use the notifications part of the excellent addon is they’re fed up with stealth. But I’m not interested in another discussion @DDuke and his companions will turn into a essay contest again.

And I am fed up with sword and shield heavy armor uppercut spammers, but hey, I didnt develop an add on to destroy that playstyle, because it isn't possible. If it annoys you so much, then you shouldnt be playing this game.

I’m not using the notifications. I use the rest of the addon however. And it’s great. I’m not annoyed either. I just find it hilarious that people think Xv1 snipe spamming is somehow skilled.

If you don't think it is, prove that. Win some duels with a bow build, 1vX - if it doesn't require skill to pull off it should be easy for you, right?

I find it hilarious people (who have clearly never in their life played a bow build) make this "no skill" argument for anything they dislike.

You should reread the part you bolded more closely. Especially the Xv1 part.

Sorry, my brains probably couldn't comprehend "skill" and "Xv1" in the same sentence and overlooked that bit.

Tell me, what is a "skillful Xv1 build"? The problem isn't people using snipe, the problem is people zerging & Xv1'ing.

I agree with you that anything Xv1 is not skilled. Still there is a difference if you’re sitting 40m away in stealth or have to engage in mid range or melee without stealth. It’s not really worthwhile to argue further though. This thread will be like the other 10 already there.

TheValar85 · November 2017

it is not realy a cheat even in wow there is an addon called DBM deadly boss mode, and they developed a pvp one part to, it can be helpfull just in case if your reaction time is slower, and there is nothing cheating around with that addon. i dont use it i just sawit a fewtimes in videos. I am no longer interested in pvp content

Iselin · November 2017

DDuke wrote: »

Tell me, what is a "skillful Xv1 build"? The problem isn't people using snipe, the problem is people zerging & Xv1'ing.

No, the real problem is people still not getting that RvR games have always been and will always be about XvX. Sure go ahead and solo or duo in them if that's how you want to play them... just as long as you know that you're playing it like something other than what it's meant to be.

In the context of XvX, sniping, shield stackers, JC beamers, reflectors, etc. all have their place.

It's only when people find themselves in Cyrodiil in any situation where there's a "1" that all these whiny complaints start up and all the "nerf him he beat me!" whines.

It's not supposed to be the PVP equivalent of vMA, it's like a raid... but bigger.

Valencer · November 2017

*Archer roleplay intensifies*

Wait, you can slot 2 weapons?

Knootewoot · November 2017

First of all I think addons like this should be forbidden. Next I would like to say I understand people who are upset about being one-shot from stealth.

I think the entire stealth thing should be reworked. No more crouch and be completely invisible when in plain sight. Maybe just remove name tag and make character semi transparent when further away then let's say 50 m. for enemies. Let's hide in bushes and behind rocks instead in an open field.

Cloak and potions should work though.

DDuke · November 2017

Feanor wrote: »

I agree with you that anything Xv1 is not skilled. Still there is a difference if you’re sitting 40m away in stealth or have to engage in mid range or melee without stealth. It’s not really worthwhile to argue further though. This thread will be like the other 10 already there.

It already is, and I already see the same people defending cheating (surprise surprise).

Yes, there is a difference between sitting 40m away and spamming dodgeable projectiles, and being in melee range spamming roots, snares, CCs & undodgeable bullsh*t.

What you apparently find more unfair as a sorcerer, I find preferable as a stam build. Bow builds=free kills & actual avoidable damage (rarity these days).

Try to see perspectives other than your own.

Jade1986 · November 2017

Knootewoot wrote: »

First of all I think addons like this should be forbidden. Next I would like to say I understand people who are upset about being one-shot from stealth.

I think the entire stealth thing should be reworked. No more crouch and be completely invisible when in plain sight. Maybe just remove name tag and make character semi transparent when further away then let's say 50 m. for enemies. Let's hide in bushes and behind rocks instead in an open field.

Cloak and potions should work though.

They would have to rework the entire game then, no. There are counters to it, if people choose to be lazy and not use those counters, that is their problem.

Jade1986 · November 2017

DDuke wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I agree with you that anything Xv1 is not skilled. Still there is a difference if you’re sitting 40m away in stealth or have to engage in mid range or melee without stealth. It’s not really worthwhile to argue further though. This thread will be like the other 10 already there.

It already is, and I already see the same people defending cheating (surprise surprise).

Yes, there is a difference between sitting 40m away and spamming dodgeable projectiles, and being in melee range spamming roots, snares, CCs & undodgeable bullsh*t.

What you apparently find more unfair as a sorcerer, I find preferable as a stam build. Bow builds=free kills & actual avoidable damage (rarity these days).

Try to see perspectives other than your own.

A lot of people on this forum are empathy impaired.

SodanTok · November 2017

I do not understand the video. You fought ~6 newbie stealth snipers with 300ms ping and won the fight. The end? What it demonstrates? And I dont mean it as some tongue in cheek statement. I genuinely do not see anything worth demonstration. Unless the point was to show that it is annoying how long it takes to kill very obviously newbie players if they use range and stealth to kite you. In that case, I am sure they were annoyed how nearly impossible is to kill DK using block/wings and how easy is for them to die when in range of whip/leap.

I would be more understanding if the demonstration shows your bow build 1vX players better than most other builds. Because thats how is strength in this game measured is it not? Or are we going to complain about bow light attackers next once you release video engaging 40 of them?

makreth · November 2017

Do you play for the loot/reward goal in the end of a campaign?
Do you play just for your ego and lie to yourself that you're better than the guy that attacks you ultimately making you feel better?

Then yes you should use this addon.

Do you enjoy pvp for the shake of it?
Do you actually like to improvise on every situation and play your own style with nothing to dictate you on how to do that?

Then don't use it.

I really find it funny that people resort to these kind of addons and especially laughed at addons on PvE dictating you what to do and when. I guess this has come to the PVP side as well. Shame for some people. You can't always win, accept it.