IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Plus I also just finished heating up some popcorn.

@IxSTALKERxI What kind of toppings? Salt and butter? Maybe some cheese powder?

We just got some kernels that are "huskless", so they're not supposed to have the husks/shells that get stuck in your teeth.

I'll let you know how good they are later!

Vilestride wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

This thread was made for website promotion and guide feedback. Both criteria have been fulfilled.

Yup, though less on the promotion side. The site isn't monetised and there are no adds. It's just there to try and help the masses. I've updated the guide(s) a few times and haven't gotten any feedback on the new revision(s) though. The original content is now split between the four separate sections (offense/defence/siege/ballgroups).

I think you may need to add a new section on how to farm forum-salt, after seeing how the thread de-railed lol.

I dunno. Seems pretty straight forward. Just use the words dracarys and vehemence in the same sentence.

Drachemence!

Ixtyr wrote: »

Stacks on stacks on stacks. "But nah man, I only got 11 in my group, these 33 other people next to me don't count".

"They can't possibly do anything of any value, so they
shouldn't count when we're comparing numbers.. right?
They're just the minnows used to pull out ultimates from the
players who might actually be able to wipe us!"

Every organised group in every faction is guilty of this attitude.

zyk wrote: »

I think this is a game that makes hypocrites of everyone. 99.99% of us stack and/or surf occasionally and get annoyed when we have to deal with that from our opponents.

I consider open world AvA a public server. I take all of my wins with a grain of salt because I don't know what kind of build my opponent is using or what their state of mind is. I don't expect anyone to be tryharding 100% of the time. Organized matches should be an option to settle grudges, but unfortunately ZOS doesn't give us the option of private instances for GvG.

Even if zos provided an instance they couldn't make guilds participate open world campaigns are easily usable for gvg just has to be the desire to compete.

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

VE is still the best Forum PVP guild PC/NA. Getting Frozn to ring for you isn't going to help. Sorry Drac.

This isn't a Frozn or a Drac thing. Pretty much everyone in EP who have played this game for the past 2years have seen NPK + VE or BoD + VE form a 50men megazerg at Chalman mine for hours with meteors spamming endlessly. It was never their fault though, it was the fault of the enemy zerg stacking their whole faction to defend causing the lag.

VE mindset :

Large numbers of unorganized pugs on the screen are the major cause of the lag.

Not 2 organized 24men guilds synchronizing prox dets, heals, and damaging ults all together.

Why don't you roll a DC or AD toon and take a look at what your faction does? Should I post those screenshots of your guild at one of the numerous 60+ EP faction stacks at Aleswell Farm? .

What was once an informative thread has been completely derailed because people have to protect their egos by accusing everyone else of crap they'd love to believe they are Innocent of.

I have zerged surfed hundred and hundred of times, there is no shame in that. But I never ran in a 24men elite ballgroup stacking on top of another 24men ballgroup. Why? Because I still believe today that the server ressources / poor performances cannot support such gameplay.

I would put 1k US dollars on this that if you put the following people in one max pop server at a specific location, results would be much different in performances :

• Two enemy groups of 50 disorganized pugs fighting each other in the same area
• Two enemy groups made of 2x 24men ballgroups each fighting each other in the same area

You want a medal or something for because you only brought your 12 man to a faction-stack? And if you think the 60 EP at Aleswell are "disorganized PuGs," you're deluded. Turn on your Guild Tabbard options sometime.

You are just making excuses trying to justify the very actions you condemn others for doing. You may believe it, but anyone who has to fight EP isn't buying the nonsense you are selling.

I don't work on assumptions and declarations anymore. You think what I do is bringing my 12men and stack on top of an EP zerg? How about you clip me doing it on my stream and expose me here? I have been streaming my PvP events with Vok for over a year now. Here is the last broadcast of my weekly Thursday PvP event (yesterday). Clip anywhere during those 4hours where I decided to engage in a battle where there was already an EP zerg.

You are good with words Joy, I'll give you that. You can be very convincing when it comes to defending what you believe or what offends you but saying that you have seen me running a 12men at Aleswell farm have strictly nothing to do with the fact that 50 disorganized pugs cause way less performance issues than 2x 24men ballgroups running their meteor pain train at Chalman mine for hours.

Oh my. And I thought all the time the secret to beating ball groups was stacking the whole faction into Chalman.

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

VE is still the best Forum PVP guild PC/NA. Getting Frozn to ring for you isn't going to help. Sorry Drac.

This isn't a Frozn or a Drac thing. Pretty much everyone in EP who have played this game for the past 2years have seen NPK + VE or BoD + VE form a 50men megazerg at Chalman mine for hours with meteors spamming endlessly. It was never their fault though, it was the fault of the enemy zerg stacking their whole faction to defend causing the lag.

VE mindset :

Large numbers of unorganized pugs on the screen are the major cause of the lag.

Not 2 organized 24men guilds synchronizing prox dets, heals, and damaging ults all together.

Why don't you roll a DC or AD toon and take a look at what your faction does? Should I post those screenshots of your guild at one of the numerous 60+ EP faction stacks at Aleswell Farm? .

What was once an informative thread has been completely derailed because people have to protect their egos by accusing everyone else of crap they'd love to believe they are Innocent of.

I have zerged surfed hundred and hundred of times, there is no shame in that. But I never ran in a 24men elite ballgroup stacking on top of another 24men ballgroup. Why? Because I still believe today that the server ressources / poor performances cannot support such gameplay.

I would put 1k US dollars on this that if you put the following people in one max pop server at a specific location, results would be much different in performances :

• Two enemy groups of 50 disorganized pugs fighting each other in the same area
• Two enemy groups made of 2x 24men ballgroups each fighting each other in the same area

You want a medal or something for because you only brought your 12 man to a faction-stack? And if you think the 60 EP at Aleswell are "disorganized PuGs," you're deluded. Turn on your Guild Tabbard options sometime.

You are just making excuses trying to justify the very actions you condemn others for doing. You may believe it, but anyone who has to fight EP isn't buying the nonsense you are selling.

I don't work on assumptions and declarations anymore. You think what I do is bringing my 12men and stack on top of an EP zerg? How about you clip me doing it on my stream and expose me here? I have been streaming my PvP events with Vok for over a year now. Here is the last broadcast of my weekly Thursday PvP event (yesterday). Clip anywhere during those 4hours where I decided to engage in a battle where there was already an EP zerg.

You are good with words Joy, I'll give you that. You can be very convincing when it comes to defending what you believe or what offends you but saying that you have seen me running a 12men at Aleswell farm have strictly nothing to do with the fact that 50 disorganized pugs cause way less performance issues than 2x 24men ballgroups running their meteor pain train at Chalman mine for hours.

Frozen, with all due respect. Yes I do respect you. however, you are wrong in this case.

I do not understand this moral high ground position your trying to take here with @Joy_Division Its NEVER the players fault for the game performing like crap, that lies SOLELY at the Feet of ZOS. EVERYTHING they have put into the game mechanically from gear sets, to PBAOE Ultimate's like Eye of Storm, to even the AOE cap reducing damage just because your standing next to someone has just empowered zerging...a style of play that obviously ZOS servers can't handle, yet every update they keep empowering and buffing these zergs and ball groups.

When will you and others stopping point the blame at the players who purchased a product that was marketed and sold as being able to support this game play style, and begin directing your ire where it belongs?...at ZOS and their development team...because thats EXACTLY where the ire should be pointed.

Those ball groups your talking about(I personally don't like that play style either) BUT they are paying customers too who are being deprived of the PVP experience they paid money for and are every bit the victim in this as the solo player who lags because of it.

No one here should be enemies, we are together here suffering from the same problems...instead of creating division among our own and blaming the players for causing lag, we need to unite and focus the ire at the source where it belongs which is ZOS and their developers. Their refusal to fix the game code problems with the game and their refusal to invest in more hardware and server resources to support the play style(ball groups) their gear, balance changes, and game mechanics purport to promote every update is the problem here, not players who stack or what not at Chalman because they want a fight.

I am pointing out a logical fallacy. Those players your pointing out at Chalman are merely customers who brought a game marketed to support those kinds of fights...they are victims of poor performance just as much as the next guy, and they are not getting the experience they paid for.

We need to stop this nonsensical fighting and bickering and work towards focusing that energy on getting ZOS to fix their game, not bashing players who are merely playing the game as advertised.

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

VE is still the best Forum PVP guild PC/NA. Getting Frozn to ring for you isn't going to help. Sorry Drac.

This isn't a Frozn or a Drac thing. Pretty much everyone in EP who have played this game for the past 2years have seen NPK + VE or BoD + VE form a 50men megazerg at Chalman mine for hours with meteors spamming endlessly. It was never their fault though, it was the fault of the enemy zerg stacking their whole faction to defend causing the lag.

VE mindset :

Large numbers of unorganized pugs on the screen are the major cause of the lag.

Not 2 organized 24men guilds synchronizing prox dets, heals, and damaging ults all together.

Why don't you roll a DC or AD toon and take a look at what your faction does? Should I post those screenshots of your guild at one of the numerous 60+ EP faction stacks at Aleswell Farm? .

What was once an informative thread has been completely derailed because people have to protect their egos by accusing everyone else of crap they'd love to believe they are Innocent of.

I have zerged surfed hundred and hundred of times, there is no shame in that. But I never ran in a 24men elite ballgroup stacking on top of another 24men ballgroup. Why? Because I still believe today that the server ressources / poor performances cannot support such gameplay.

I would put 1k US dollars on this that if you put the following people in one max pop server at a specific location, results would be much different in performances :

• Two enemy groups of 50 disorganized pugs fighting each other in the same area
• Two enemy groups made of 2x 24men ballgroups each fighting each other in the same area

You want a medal or something for because you only brought your 12 man to a faction-stack? And if you think the 60 EP at Aleswell are "disorganized PuGs," you're deluded. Turn on your Guild Tabbard options sometime.

You are just making excuses trying to justify the very actions you condemn others for doing. You may believe it, but anyone who has to fight EP isn't buying the nonsense you are selling.

I don't work on assumptions and declarations anymore. You think what I do is bringing my 12men and stack on top of an EP zerg? How about you clip me doing it on my stream and expose me here? I have been streaming my PvP events with Vok for over a year now. Here is the last broadcast of my weekly Thursday PvP event (yesterday). Clip anywhere during those 4hours where I decided to engage in a battle where there was already an EP zerg.

You are good with words Joy, I'll give you that. You can be very convincing when it comes to defending what you believe or what offends you but saying that you have seen me running a 12men at Aleswell farm have strictly nothing to do with the fact that 50 disorganized pugs cause way less performance issues than 2x 24men ballgroups running their meteor pain train at Chalman mine for hours.

Nobody is debating whether or not 50 disorganized PuGs cause way less performance issues than two 24 ballgroups. It's something that is not in dispute.

You come onto the forums on your high horse and insist that EP has to put up with DC guild stacking at Chalman mine for two years, blatantly ignoring that the Vokundeins, Havocs, Kushes, Haxuses, Invictuses, Pact Militias, Specters of the Phoenixes, Dracaryses, Nexuses, TYSMs, Phoenix Risings, ZDMs, Phoenix Risings, Blood for the Pacts, the IRs, etc., have all willingly stacked at Aleswell Farm, and Castle Alessia for that matter, since the game launched back in April 2014.

Has nothing to do with words Frozn. You can link me your guild stream all you want. I and those who play DC and AD know exactly what we have to put up with from the Ebonheart Faction. Somehow when Vokundein winds up in an EP faction stack it's for legitimate, understandable, and excusable reasons. When VE shows up in a faction stack it's for illegitimate, selfish, and inexcusable reasons. If you believe that, you are biased and blind.

Crown wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

So many VE first responders on this thread feels like there's plenty of pickings for a new group Crown

On that topic, I'll rarely chase after solo/duo players that I know like Enzo, Miat, Jules, and others, though there are some like Unru that I'll take a full 24 and chase across the map just so that we can get a nice screen shot of 24 bags on his dead body at once (because it's fun and I can post the screen shot in his Discord after which we can insult each other for 20 minutes).

Dracarys favorite thing to do is chase me. Please fix their leash

Joy_Division wrote: »

You come onto the forums on your high horse and insist that EP has to put up with DC guild stacking at Chalman mine for two years, blatantly ignoring that the Vokundeins, Havocs, Kushes, Haxuses, Invictuses, Pact Militias, Specters of the Phoenixes, Dracaryses, Nexuses, TYSMs, Phoenix Risings, ZDMs, Phoenix Risings, Blood for the Pacts, the IRs, etc., have all willingly stacked at Aleswell Farm, and Castle Alessia for that matter, since the game launched back in April 2014.

Can confirm, we've had all those guilds in one keep before. At 3am, when no one else was on. Defenders had 1fps, but we had 60. It was amazing.

With that, DoomToosk was crowned emperor and we all lived happily ever after and ZOS declared us kings of Wonderland.

PS: it's TSYM, not TYSM
PPS: Specters of the Phoenixes -- does that mean there are multiple Specters or multiple Phoenixes?
PPPS: Isn't KUSH a plural of itself? Like deer or sheep?

More seriously --

EP guilds put a lot more effort into 'destacking' the faction than is obviously noticed. Invictus and Dracarys explicitly go to the other side of the map both to farm and to yank people away from Sej/Bleaks corridors and make the Nikel corridor more active than it usually is.

Do we occasionally end up in the same space as other EP? Yes, of course. It happens. Through happenstance or necessity it does.

There's also plenty of times that go unnoticed when we tool up to a fight, see Drac there, and motor on so as not to present an overwhelming, client crushing united front for no good reason whatsoever.

Though one thing we do have to acknowledge as players is this -- ZOS has, by every definition of the word, failed in correcting the performance issues that they themselves have caused (through the lighting patch and beyond) in Cyrodiil to the point it's creeping out into the PVE section of the game (I've been seeing sound drops in Skyreach of all places and other players report trial sound drops).

We, as players, can't trust ZOS to fix a burnt out light bulb, let alone anything to do with this client. The only solution left is ourselves and our own behavior as players, and it's obvious that isn't happening.

What I see at keeps is, more and more frequently, massive faction stacks to take whatever obsession a faction currently holds. Usually several times a night, almost always migraine inducing yet utterly silent.

I mean, Bulb and I tried to destack by leaving the most heavily populated and top heavy guild faction. Everyone loved that !

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

VE is still the best Forum PVP guild PC/NA. Getting Frozn to ring for you isn't going to help. Sorry Drac.

This isn't a Frozn or a Drac thing. Pretty much everyone in EP who have played this game for the past 2years have seen NPK + VE or BoD + VE form a 50men megazerg at Chalman mine for hours with meteors spamming endlessly. It was never their fault though, it was the fault of the enemy zerg stacking their whole faction to defend causing the lag.

VE mindset :

Large numbers of unorganized pugs on the screen are the major cause of the lag.

Not 2 organized 24men guilds synchronizing prox dets, heals, and damaging ults all together.

Why don't you roll a DC or AD toon and take a look at what your faction does? Should I post those screenshots of your guild at one of the numerous 60+ EP faction stacks at Aleswell Farm? .

What was once an informative thread has been completely derailed because people have to protect their egos by accusing everyone else of crap they'd love to believe they are Innocent of.

I have zerged surfed hundred and hundred of times, there is no shame in that. But I never ran in a 24men elite ballgroup stacking on top of another 24men ballgroup. Why? Because I still believe today that the server ressources / poor performances cannot support such gameplay.

I would put 1k US dollars on this that if you put the following people in one max pop server at a specific location, results would be much different in performances :

• Two enemy groups of 50 disorganized pugs fighting each other in the same area
• Two enemy groups made of 2x 24men ballgroups each fighting each other in the same area

You want a medal or something for because you only brought your 12 man to a faction-stack? And if you think the 60 EP at Aleswell are "disorganized PuGs," you're deluded. Turn on your Guild Tabbard options sometime.

You are just making excuses trying to justify the very actions you condemn others for doing. You may believe it, but anyone who has to fight EP isn't buying the nonsense you are selling.

I don't work on assumptions and declarations anymore. You think what I do is bringing my 12men and stack on top of an EP zerg? How about you clip me doing it on my stream and expose me here? I have been streaming my PvP events with Vok for over a year now. Here is the last broadcast of my weekly Thursday PvP event (yesterday). Clip anywhere during those 4hours where I decided to engage in a battle where there was already an EP zerg.

You are good with words Joy, I'll give you that. You can be very convincing when it comes to defending what you believe or what offends you but saying that you have seen me running a 12men at Aleswell farm have strictly nothing to do with the fact that 50 disorganized pugs cause way less performance issues than 2x 24men ballgroups running their meteor pain train at Chalman mine for hours.

Nobody is debating whether or not 50 disorganized PuGs cause way less performance issues than two 24 ballgroups. It's something that is not in dispute.

I like how you decide freely what the debate should be about. Follow the conversation and you will understand why it came down to 50 unorganized pubgs VS 2x 24men ballgroups. I don't care what you think the subject should be about.

You come onto the forums on your high horse and insist that EP has to put up with DC guild stacking at Chalman mine for two years, blatantly ignoring that the Vokundeins, Havocs, Kushes, Haxuses, Invictuses, Pact Militias, Specters of the Phoenixes, Dracaryses, Nexuses, TYSMs, Phoenix Risings, ZDMs, Phoenix Risings, Blood for the Pacts, the IRs, etc., have all willingly stacked at Aleswell Farm, and Castle Alessia for that matter, since the game launched back in April 2014.

I have never said that anyone other than VE or BoD or NPK is blameless. That was just an example of some people who think that stacking 2 24men ballgroups together is supposed to be fun and a great pvp experience. Or who put the blame on the enemy zerg instead.

Has nothing to do with words Frozn. You can link me your guild stream all you want. I and those who play DC and AD know exactly what we have to put up with from the Ebonheart Faction. Somehow when Vokundein winds up in an EP faction stack it's for legitimate, understandable, and excusable reasons. When VE shows up in a faction stack it's for illegitimate, selfish, and inexcusable reasons. If you believe that, you are biased and blind.

You say that this has nothing to do with words, then proceed to ignore my stream broadcasts (facts that show 100% of my actual gameplay), and then proceed to to assume that you stating that you know exactly what you have to put against the EP faction is a fact and should be acknowledged as the ultimate truth? I think you may need to reconsider the definition of "words" and "facts".

Shaggygaming wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

You come onto the forums on your high horse and insist that EP has to put up with DC guild stacking at Chalman mine for two years, blatantly ignoring that the Vokundeins, Havocs, Kushes, Haxuses, Invictuses, Pact Militias, Specters of the Phoenixes, Dracaryses, Nexuses, TYSMs, Phoenix Risings, ZDMs, Phoenix Risings, Blood for the Pacts, the IRs, etc., have all willingly stacked at Aleswell Farm, and Castle Alessia for that matter, since the game launched back in April 2014.

Can confirm, we've had all those guilds in one keep before. At 3am, when no one else was on. Defenders had 1fps, but we had 60. It was amazing.

With that, DoomToosk was crowned emperor and we all lived happily ever after and ZOS declared us kings of Wonderland.

PS: it's TSYM, not TYSM
PPS: Specters of the Phoenixes -- does that mean there are multiple Specters or multiple Phoenixes?
PPPS: Isn't KUSH a plural of itself? Like deer or sheep?

More seriously --

EP guilds put a lot more effort into 'destacking' the faction than is obviously noticed. Invictus and Dracarys explicitly go to the other side of the map both to farm and to yank people away from Sej/Bleaks corridors and make the Nikel corridor more active than it usually is.

Do we occasionally end up in the same space as other EP? Yes, of course. It happens. Through happenstance or necessity it does.

There's also plenty of times that go unnoticed when we tool up to a fight, see Drac there, and motor on so as not to present an overwhelming, client crushing united front for no good reason whatsoever.

Though one thing we do have to acknowledge as players is this -- ZOS has, by every definition of the word, failed in correcting the performance issues that they themselves have caused (through the lighting patch and beyond) in Cyrodiil to the point it's creeping out into the PVE section of the game (I've been seeing sound drops in Skyreach of all places and other players report trial sound drops).

We, as players, can't trust ZOS to fix a burnt out light bulb, let alone anything to do with this client. The only solution left is ourselves and our own behavior as players, and it's obvious that isn't happening.

What I see at keeps is, more and more frequently, massive faction stacks to take whatever obsession a faction currently holds. Usually several times a night, almost always migraine inducing yet utterly silent.

Everyone poops.

Except for Drac.. They don't poop. They hold their poop and wait until groups engage another group or the faction stack before they attack. Any time I was at Chal I would see Drac off to the side hiding behind terrain waiting for their chance to hit another group already engaged. It would usually be about 40 VE fighting Invic and then you'd see the 11 person (no more than 12 but less than 19. We don't count the dedicated camp runners like Rudixy) Drac group engaging only after Invic or the faction stack pushed first.

Oh he's back from the ward. How are you feeling now?

I had no idea this was such a point of contention. If its that hotly disputed, why wasnt there ever a documented GvG on Shor or one o hte dead campaigns where interruptions wold be non-existent?

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

I had no idea this was such a point of contention. If its that hotly disputed, why wasnt there ever a documented GvG on Shor or one o hte dead campaigns where interruptions wold be non-existent?

We offered

weeelll damn.