Trees are a terrible skill now.zParallaxz wrote: »There really is no best class in pvp, it all depends on how well you as a 1vXer can burst people down while also avoiding their damage whether through dodge roll, block, or heavy shield stacking. Every major patch people will always claim one class being the strongest, when really it just that person hasn't learned how to counter the play style of the class i.e stamblades in IC patch, stam sorcs in theives guild patch, and wardens in this current patch. Once a skilled competent player comes upon a a 1vXer and knows how to counter him, its pretty much over. For all the people saying stamdens are op, play one first and learn the class, thus making it insanely easier to fight once you see one in open world.
Nah man, I felt the same too until I made a stam warden of my own.Magicka wardens are killable though and are very vulnerable to LoSing and being CCd. They have to get into melee range to use their burst dmg which makes them very vulnerable if you survive itJoy_Division wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »Very successful in Spinners/Riposte/Skoria
I don't think magicka NB is outperforming other classes though. Very rewarding with work.
My biggest kryptonite is a stamina warden.
Everybody's kryptonite is stam warden.
Thought magicka warden were kryptonite too ?
There's nothing about a mag warden that scares me, they just don't have the native healing to withstand constant pressure without resorting to tree ult turtling and when you're so reliant on a ground targeted heal to keep you alive you start to be countered by ground targeted DoTs and defile
For you what is the strong advantage of stam warden then ?
It's several things, first being the superior burst combo. Sub+DBoS is stronger than any non-telegraphed burst a magden can pull. Then combine soothing being a stronger burst heal than anything in the magden kit, plus vigor being a superior HoT to anything a magden can use without a resto and you've got more burst and more healing.
Plus stamden get an execute and magden doesnt
So what you are saying is that Mag Warden is just a slightly less offensive and more durable version of Magplar
Plays into the idea I had of running one with Tavas + Gossamer for maximum tree spam.
The_Protagonist wrote: »Is this a sneaky nerf NB thread?
I don't know..! I came here expecting a nerf sorc thread, found a nerf NB thread which has quickly morphed into a nerf Warden thread!
I've no idea where I'm going, but enjoying the ride!
zParallaxz wrote: »There really is no best class in pvp, it all depends on how well you as a 1vXer can burst people down while also avoiding their damage whether through dodge roll, block, or heavy shield stacking. Every major patch people will always claim one class being the strongest, when really it just that person hasn't learned how to counter the play style of the class i.e stamblades in IC patch, stam sorcs in theives guild patch, and wardens in this current patch. Once a skilled competent player comes upon a a 1vXer and knows how to counter him, its pretty much over. For all the people saying stamdens are op, play one first and learn the class, thus making it insanely easier to fight once you see one in open world.
Nah man, I felt the same too until I made a stam warden of my own.Magicka wardens are killable though and are very vulnerable to LoSing and being CCd. They have to get into melee range to use their burst dmg which makes them very vulnerable if you survive itJoy_Division wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »Very successful in Spinners/Riposte/Skoria
I don't think magicka NB is outperforming other classes though. Very rewarding with work.
My biggest kryptonite is a stamina warden.
Everybody's kryptonite is stam warden.
Thought magicka warden were kryptonite too ?
There's nothing about a mag warden that scares me, they just don't have the native healing to withstand constant pressure without resorting to tree ult turtling and when you're so reliant on a ground targeted heal to keep you alive you start to be countered by ground targeted DoTs and defile
For you what is the strong advantage of stam warden then ?
It's several things, first being the superior burst combo. Sub+DBoS is stronger than any non-telegraphed burst a magden can pull. Then combine soothing being a stronger burst heal than anything in the magden kit, plus vigor being a superior HoT to anything a magden can use without a resto and you've got more burst and more healing.
Plus stamden get an execute and magden doesnt
So what you are saying is that Mag Warden is just a slightly less offensive and more durable version of Magplar
Plays into the idea I had of running one with Tavas + Gossamer for maximum tree spam.
Waffennacht wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Micah_Bayer wrote: »Nuff said.
we nightblades die very very easy. and pull us out of stealth is also very easy.
I don't think most NBs use cloak anymore
zParallaxz wrote: »There really is no best class in pvp, it all depends on how well you as a 1vXer can burst people down while also avoiding their damage whether through dodge roll, block, or heavy shield stacking. Every major patch people will always claim one class being the strongest, when really it just that person hasn't learned how to counter the play style of the class i.e stamblades in IC patch, stam sorcs in theives guild patch, and wardens in this current patch. Once a skilled competent player comes upon a a 1vXer and knows how to counter him, its pretty much over. For all the people saying stamdens are op, play one first and learn the class, thus making it insanely easier to fight once you see one in open world.
Nah man, I felt the same too until I made a stam warden of my own.Magicka wardens are killable though and are very vulnerable to LoSing and being CCd. They have to get into melee range to use their burst dmg which makes them very vulnerable if you survive itJoy_Division wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »Very successful in Spinners/Riposte/Skoria
I don't think magicka NB is outperforming other classes though. Very rewarding with work.
My biggest kryptonite is a stamina warden.
Everybody's kryptonite is stam warden.
Thought magicka warden were kryptonite too ?
There's nothing about a mag warden that scares me, they just don't have the native healing to withstand constant pressure without resorting to tree ult turtling and when you're so reliant on a ground targeted heal to keep you alive you start to be countered by ground targeted DoTs and defile
For you what is the strong advantage of stam warden then ?
It's several things, first being the superior burst combo. Sub+DBoS is stronger than any non-telegraphed burst a magden can pull. Then combine soothing being a stronger burst heal than anything in the magden kit, plus vigor being a superior HoT to anything a magden can use without a resto and you've got more burst and more healing.
Plus stamden get an execute and magden doesnt
So what you are saying is that Mag Warden is just a slightly less offensive and more durable version of Magplar
Plays into the idea I had of running one with Tavas + Gossamer for maximum tree spam.
Mag warden is not superior to magplar defensively. They cannot passively mitigate as much damage and outside of their ultimate they have drastically inferior healing.
I also think a magplar is superior offensively in most situations, being that magplar's burst mechanic is harder to avoid than mag warden and that magplar has superior class DoTs and an execute.
Imo, magden is somewhere near the low-middle of the food chain whereas stamden, mageblade, magplar are imo the top. Albeit with a huge gap between stamden and the other two. Just my opinion
zParallaxz wrote: »There really is no best class in pvp, it all depends on how well you as a 1vXer can burst people down while also avoiding their damage whether through dodge roll, block, or heavy shield stacking. Every major patch people will always claim one class being the strongest, when really it just that person hasn't learned how to counter the play style of the class i.e stamblades in IC patch, stam sorcs in theives guild patch, and wardens in this current patch. Once a skilled competent player comes upon a a 1vXer and knows how to counter him, its pretty much over. For all the people saying stamdens are op, play one first and learn the class, thus making it insanely easier to fight once you see one in open world.
Nah man, I felt the same too until I made a stam warden of my own.Magicka wardens are killable though and are very vulnerable to LoSing and being CCd. They have to get into melee range to use their burst dmg which makes them very vulnerable if you survive itJoy_Division wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »Very successful in Spinners/Riposte/Skoria
I don't think magicka NB is outperforming other classes though. Very rewarding with work.
My biggest kryptonite is a stamina warden.
Everybody's kryptonite is stam warden.
Thought magicka warden were kryptonite too ?
There's nothing about a mag warden that scares me, they just don't have the native healing to withstand constant pressure without resorting to tree ult turtling and when you're so reliant on a ground targeted heal to keep you alive you start to be countered by ground targeted DoTs and defile
For you what is the strong advantage of stam warden then ?
It's several things, first being the superior burst combo. Sub+DBoS is stronger than any non-telegraphed burst a magden can pull. Then combine soothing being a stronger burst heal than anything in the magden kit, plus vigor being a superior HoT to anything a magden can use without a resto and you've got more burst and more healing.
Plus stamden get an execute and magden doesnt
So what you are saying is that Mag Warden is just a slightly less offensive and more durable version of Magplar
Plays into the idea I had of running one with Tavas + Gossamer for maximum tree spam.
Mag warden is not superior to magplar defensively. They cannot passively mitigate as much damage and outside of their ultimate they have drastically inferior healing.
I also think a magplar is superior offensively in most situations, being that magplar's burst mechanic is harder to avoid than mag warden and that magplar has superior class DoTs and an execute.
Imo, magden is somewhere near the low-middle of the food chain whereas stamden, mageblade, magplar are imo the top. Albeit with a huge gap between stamden and the other two. Just my opinion
True I suppose. I guess the only thing they really have is bird spam, but even then Stamden is strictly better.
I would argue your class ratings though. Sure in terms of people who are actually good, you are pretty much right, but on average most magblades you meet are going to be just awful, whereas even a bad magplar knows how to use jabs/breath of life/jesus beam
I can't remember the dudes name on here but imo he/she is right on the money using two hander with the other morph of rally on magblade.
There just aren't many people good at that playstyle, including me, but the mobility is sooo good for 1vx!
Maybe war maiden with 2hander front + riposte back bar
To bite or not to bite, that is the question?
NB is one of the easiest to kill if you can avoid the initial burst. 2 squish.
That said there are a few infuriating mechanics that have to be dealt with when fighting them. I.e. fear can't be broken straight away. Cloaking whilst in a root. (I know you are there, you know you are there.) and not NB exclusive, eternal hunt ignoring root immunity. And why don't ST dots tick in cloak?
Waffennacht wrote: »I feel like every class lacks 1 thing to make a great bow build...
Toc de Malsvi wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I feel like every class lacks 1 thing to make a great bow build...
Bruh, I almost teared up a little. Where is the love right?
HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »I think magblade could be a contender for top dog next patch. I haven’t had a chance to play with the merciless change but that will be nice to ani cancel for better timed burst. This coupled with the sustain change for instant magicka return will help with 1vX. The shuffle nerf will be the icing on the cake for crippling grasp roots to keep distance between targets.
I’m really excited for magblade, that being said, I still believe it’s right there with magDK for highest skill ceiling. So while I think we will be great in the right hands, I don’t think the nerf hammers need to come out any time soon.
#MagBladeHypeeee
RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Magden is probably just as good as Stamden, it just requires a different approach.
Its easy to get 52k+ max magicka on a Mag Warden....maybe more...combing Deep Fissure + Screaming Cliff Racer + Force Pulse is a ridiclious amoutn of burst damage....its absurd how hard that hits, it does however have a significantly steeper learning curve to pull off, its not as easy as Stamina Warden.
if i ever decided to level a Warden thats what I would do, I think Jack Daniel was the only other guy on PC-NA running anything like that i recall, and he used to crush people with that set up, Cast Deep Fissure, Cast Screaming Cliff Racer, weave into Force Pulse BOOM! with 52k+ Max Magicka hits like a train, and if you need to go defensive you have HUGE damage shields comparable to Sorc's with Dampen Magic + Healing Ward, and an ultimate builder with Shimmering Shield.
So much untapped potential for Mag Warden in pvp, its just not as easy as Stamina to pull off, but is probably overall more powerful in the hands of a skilled and patient player, it may actually be the most powerful spec in the entire game, it just has a steeper learning curve to be able to pull off.
maybe one day i'll try it, but i dread even thinking about leveling another character...
RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Magden is probably just as good as Stamden, it just requires a different approach.
Its easy to get 52k+ max magicka on a Mag Warden....maybe more...combing Deep Fissure + Screaming Cliff Racer + Force Pulse is a ridiclious amoutn of burst damage....its absurd how hard that hits, it does however have a significantly steeper learning curve to pull off, its not as easy as Stamina Warden.
if i ever decided to level a Warden thats what I would do, I think Jack Daniel was the only other guy on PC-NA running anything like that i recall, and he used to crush people with that set up, Cast Deep Fissure, Cast Screaming Cliff Racer, weave into Force Pulse BOOM! with 52k+ Max Magicka hits like a train, and if you need to go defensive you have HUGE damage shields comparable to Sorc's with Dampen Magic + Healing Ward, and an ultimate builder with Shimmering Shield.
So much untapped potential for Mag Warden in pvp, its just not as easy as Stamina to pull off, but is probably overall more powerful in the hands of a skilled and patient player, it may actually be the most powerful spec in the entire game, it just has a steeper learning curve to be able to pull off.
maybe one day i'll try it, but i dread even thinking about leveling another character...
Magden lacks HoTs and a strong burst heal, it's susceptible to both sustained pressure and big burst damage. Sure the damage is superior to what a stamden has, but it's just too hard to relieve pressure. You're far too ultimate reliant for both offense and defense which can force you into cycles of chaining defensive ultimates and prolonging fights where you can never get the burst combo off to win. Just my two cents