NB is now top dog and is op.

  • PhantomOcelot
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    Too op. Icefrog nerf plz.
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  • Storymaster
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    Weird. I must be doing something wrong because my StamNB is dying a lot in some dense overland trash groups when I solo and try to blitz through. Now, he's not full build yet, but he just seems squishy as all hell.
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    Sixty5 wrote: »
    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    Morgul667 wrote: »
    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    zParallaxz wrote: »
    There really is no best class in pvp, it all depends on how well you as a 1vXer can burst people down while also avoiding their damage whether through dodge roll, block, or heavy shield stacking. Every major patch people will always claim one class being the strongest, when really it just that person hasn't learned how to counter the play style of the class i.e stamblades in IC patch, stam sorcs in theives guild patch, and wardens in this current patch. Once a skilled competent player comes upon a a 1vXer and knows how to counter him, its pretty much over. For all the people saying stamdens are op, play one first and learn the class, thus making it insanely easier to fight once you see one in open world.

    Nah man, I felt the same too until I made a stam warden of my own.
    Thogard wrote: »
    Morgul667 wrote: »
    Very successful in Spinners/Riposte/Skoria

    I don't think magicka NB is outperforming other classes though. Very rewarding with work.

    My biggest kryptonite is a stamina warden.

    Everybody's kryptonite is stam warden.

    Thought magicka warden were kryptonite too ?
    Magicka wardens are killable though and are very vulnerable to LoSing and being CCd. They have to get into melee range to use their burst dmg which makes them very vulnerable if you survive it

    There's nothing about a mag warden that scares me, they just don't have the native healing to withstand constant pressure without resorting to tree ult turtling and when you're so reliant on a ground targeted heal to keep you alive you start to be countered by ground targeted DoTs and defile

    For you what is the strong advantage of stam warden then ?

    It's several things, first being the superior burst combo. Sub+DBoS is stronger than any non-telegraphed burst a magden can pull. Then combine soothing being a stronger burst heal than anything in the magden kit, plus vigor being a superior HoT to anything a magden can use without a resto and you've got more burst and more healing.

    Plus stamden get an execute and magden doesnt

    So what you are saying is that Mag Warden is just a slightly less offensive and more durable version of Magplar

    Plays into the idea I had of running one with Tavas + Gossamer for maximum tree spam.
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    running a magblade, I don´t face any probs at all.
    I started her off like Gilliam the Rogue wrote and made some things different, cause of my playstyle
    now she rocks for me, and I really have no issues
    to be true I got her out of the dustbin, cauze she didn´t had the witches achievment
    got her some gear and then started

    if someone is interested I can post what she uses, she has just one skill from the destro-staff
    elemental wall and otherwise just NB skills
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    Biro123 wrote: »
    Is this a sneaky nerf NB thread? :o

    I don't know..! I came here expecting a nerf sorc thread, found a nerf NB thread which has quickly morphed into a nerf Warden thread!

    I've no idea where I'm going, but enjoying the ride!

    I’d rather we nerf the CP system and reinvest that power back into our classes. Put an end to the need for everyone to build as a Tank or else melt in seconds in PvP.

    PvP balance will always suck until that happens. It’s a CP system problem paired with tons of nerfs overtime that has caused these massive balance issues in PvP.
  • Lexxypwns
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    Sixty5 wrote: »
    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    Morgul667 wrote: »
    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    zParallaxz wrote: »
    There really is no best class in pvp, it all depends on how well you as a 1vXer can burst people down while also avoiding their damage whether through dodge roll, block, or heavy shield stacking. Every major patch people will always claim one class being the strongest, when really it just that person hasn't learned how to counter the play style of the class i.e stamblades in IC patch, stam sorcs in theives guild patch, and wardens in this current patch. Once a skilled competent player comes upon a a 1vXer and knows how to counter him, its pretty much over. For all the people saying stamdens are op, play one first and learn the class, thus making it insanely easier to fight once you see one in open world.

    Nah man, I felt the same too until I made a stam warden of my own.
    Thogard wrote: »
    Morgul667 wrote: »
    Very successful in Spinners/Riposte/Skoria

    I don't think magicka NB is outperforming other classes though. Very rewarding with work.

    My biggest kryptonite is a stamina warden.

    Everybody's kryptonite is stam warden.

    Thought magicka warden were kryptonite too ?
    Magicka wardens are killable though and are very vulnerable to LoSing and being CCd. They have to get into melee range to use their burst dmg which makes them very vulnerable if you survive it

    There's nothing about a mag warden that scares me, they just don't have the native healing to withstand constant pressure without resorting to tree ult turtling and when you're so reliant on a ground targeted heal to keep you alive you start to be countered by ground targeted DoTs and defile

    For you what is the strong advantage of stam warden then ?

    It's several things, first being the superior burst combo. Sub+DBoS is stronger than any non-telegraphed burst a magden can pull. Then combine soothing being a stronger burst heal than anything in the magden kit, plus vigor being a superior HoT to anything a magden can use without a resto and you've got more burst and more healing.

    Plus stamden get an execute and magden doesnt

    So what you are saying is that Mag Warden is just a slightly less offensive and more durable version of Magplar

    Plays into the idea I had of running one with Tavas + Gossamer for maximum tree spam.

    Mag warden is not superior to magplar defensively. They cannot passively mitigate as much damage and outside of their ultimate they have drastically inferior healing.

    I also think a magplar is superior offensively in most situations, being that magplar's burst mechanic is harder to avoid than mag warden and that magplar has superior class DoTs and an execute.

    Imo, magden is somewhere near the low-middle of the food chain whereas stamden, mageblade, magplar are imo the top. Albeit with a huge gap between stamden and the other two. Just my opinion
    Edited by Lexxypwns on October 30, 2017 5:21PM
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  • Xvorg
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    Nuff said.

    we nightblades die very very easy. and pull us out of stealth is also very easy.

    I don't think most NBs use cloak anymore

    I do use cloak... it is nice before using incap and then crushing shock
    ZoS did it. I'm pretty furious and I want to burn this to ashes... Flame and Fury, DK identity...
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    But it loves you. It loves you, and it has lag! It always has lag! It's all-fun, all-perfect, all-lore, and all-challenging, somehow just can't handle lag! ZoS takes in millions of dollars, they pay no high-end servers, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good crap story. Holy Proc!
  • Sixty5
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    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    Sixty5 wrote: »
    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    Morgul667 wrote: »
    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    zParallaxz wrote: »
    There really is no best class in pvp, it all depends on how well you as a 1vXer can burst people down while also avoiding their damage whether through dodge roll, block, or heavy shield stacking. Every major patch people will always claim one class being the strongest, when really it just that person hasn't learned how to counter the play style of the class i.e stamblades in IC patch, stam sorcs in theives guild patch, and wardens in this current patch. Once a skilled competent player comes upon a a 1vXer and knows how to counter him, its pretty much over. For all the people saying stamdens are op, play one first and learn the class, thus making it insanely easier to fight once you see one in open world.

    Nah man, I felt the same too until I made a stam warden of my own.
    Thogard wrote: »
    Morgul667 wrote: »
    Very successful in Spinners/Riposte/Skoria

    I don't think magicka NB is outperforming other classes though. Very rewarding with work.

    My biggest kryptonite is a stamina warden.

    Everybody's kryptonite is stam warden.

    Thought magicka warden were kryptonite too ?
    Magicka wardens are killable though and are very vulnerable to LoSing and being CCd. They have to get into melee range to use their burst dmg which makes them very vulnerable if you survive it

    There's nothing about a mag warden that scares me, they just don't have the native healing to withstand constant pressure without resorting to tree ult turtling and when you're so reliant on a ground targeted heal to keep you alive you start to be countered by ground targeted DoTs and defile

    For you what is the strong advantage of stam warden then ?

    It's several things, first being the superior burst combo. Sub+DBoS is stronger than any non-telegraphed burst a magden can pull. Then combine soothing being a stronger burst heal than anything in the magden kit, plus vigor being a superior HoT to anything a magden can use without a resto and you've got more burst and more healing.

    Plus stamden get an execute and magden doesnt

    So what you are saying is that Mag Warden is just a slightly less offensive and more durable version of Magplar

    Plays into the idea I had of running one with Tavas + Gossamer for maximum tree spam.

    Mag warden is not superior to magplar defensively. They cannot passively mitigate as much damage and outside of their ultimate they have drastically inferior healing.

    I also think a magplar is superior offensively in most situations, being that magplar's burst mechanic is harder to avoid than mag warden and that magplar has superior class DoTs and an execute.

    Imo, magden is somewhere near the low-middle of the food chain whereas stamden, mageblade, magplar are imo the top. Albeit with a huge gap between stamden and the other two. Just my opinion

    True I suppose. I guess the only thing they really have is bird spam, but even then Stamden is strictly better.

    I would argue your class ratings though. Sure in terms of people who are actually good, you are pretty much right, but on average most magblades you meet are going to be just awful, whereas even a bad magplar knows how to use jabs/breath of life/jesus beam
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  • Cadbury
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    I'm just glad this isn't a "Nerf Templars" thread for once
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  • Lexxypwns
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    Sixty5 wrote: »
    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    Sixty5 wrote: »
    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    Morgul667 wrote: »
    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    zParallaxz wrote: »
    There really is no best class in pvp, it all depends on how well you as a 1vXer can burst people down while also avoiding their damage whether through dodge roll, block, or heavy shield stacking. Every major patch people will always claim one class being the strongest, when really it just that person hasn't learned how to counter the play style of the class i.e stamblades in IC patch, stam sorcs in theives guild patch, and wardens in this current patch. Once a skilled competent player comes upon a a 1vXer and knows how to counter him, its pretty much over. For all the people saying stamdens are op, play one first and learn the class, thus making it insanely easier to fight once you see one in open world.

    Nah man, I felt the same too until I made a stam warden of my own.
    Thogard wrote: »
    Morgul667 wrote: »
    Very successful in Spinners/Riposte/Skoria

    I don't think magicka NB is outperforming other classes though. Very rewarding with work.

    My biggest kryptonite is a stamina warden.

    Everybody's kryptonite is stam warden.

    Thought magicka warden were kryptonite too ?
    Magicka wardens are killable though and are very vulnerable to LoSing and being CCd. They have to get into melee range to use their burst dmg which makes them very vulnerable if you survive it

    There's nothing about a mag warden that scares me, they just don't have the native healing to withstand constant pressure without resorting to tree ult turtling and when you're so reliant on a ground targeted heal to keep you alive you start to be countered by ground targeted DoTs and defile

    For you what is the strong advantage of stam warden then ?

    It's several things, first being the superior burst combo. Sub+DBoS is stronger than any non-telegraphed burst a magden can pull. Then combine soothing being a stronger burst heal than anything in the magden kit, plus vigor being a superior HoT to anything a magden can use without a resto and you've got more burst and more healing.

    Plus stamden get an execute and magden doesnt

    So what you are saying is that Mag Warden is just a slightly less offensive and more durable version of Magplar

    Plays into the idea I had of running one with Tavas + Gossamer for maximum tree spam.

    Mag warden is not superior to magplar defensively. They cannot passively mitigate as much damage and outside of their ultimate they have drastically inferior healing.

    I also think a magplar is superior offensively in most situations, being that magplar's burst mechanic is harder to avoid than mag warden and that magplar has superior class DoTs and an execute.

    Imo, magden is somewhere near the low-middle of the food chain whereas stamden, mageblade, magplar are imo the top. Albeit with a huge gap between stamden and the other two. Just my opinion

    True I suppose. I guess the only thing they really have is bird spam, but even then Stamden is strictly better.

    I would argue your class ratings though. Sure in terms of people who are actually good, you are pretty much right, but on average most magblades you meet are going to be just awful, whereas even a bad magplar knows how to use jabs/breath of life/jesus beam

    I'm of the opinion that you have to judge the top end class performance because it is the outliers who will throw things out of balance. On the top end of things a stamden will at worst stalemate a duel with any other builds, same with a mageblade and magplar.

    Open world I think stamden is the only class that can tank for prolonged periods of time while still having viciously lethal burst on multiple opponents(throw in corrupting and you've got a full package allowing area denial or forcing major defile and then shimmering as a range counter). Mageblade is close, but not because you can melt several people quickly, simply because you can engage/disengage quite well with shadow image and cloak and have the burst to melt single targets as well as decent aoe pressure and insane heal. Magplar is the same, but with inferior single target burst and superior damage mitigation. The most important determining factors in success are the ability to mitigate/outheal damage, the ability to deliver big burst, and sustain. I don't think any class specs bring that combination like stamden, followed distantly by mageblade then magplar. After that it's stamblade then another small gap before we find both DK variants, mag sorc, and mag warden all bunched up. Then you've got the stamplar and stam sorc bottom of the barrel.

    That's just my opinion and each class spec has specific scenarios where it over or under performs its general ranking in this list.
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  • zParallaxz
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    Lexypwwns what platform are you on?
  • Lexxypwns
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    zParallaxz wrote: »
    Lexypwwns what platform are you on?

    Xbox NA. GT Champion Points
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  • Daus
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    Cadbury wrote: »
    I'm just glad this isn't a "Nerf Templars" thread for once

    Lol funny you said that. Me and my guild mates were chatting about that the other day.
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    I like magward and stamward better then magden and stamden.
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  • Storymaster
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    If NB is Tawp Dawg then I suuuuuuuuck! lmao
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  • kaithuzar
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    I can't remember the dudes name on here but imo he/she is right on the money using two hander with the other morph of rally on magblade.
    There just aren't many people good at that playstyle, including me, but the mobility is sooo good for 1vx!

    Maybe war maiden with 2hander front + riposte back bar
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  • Biro123
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    kaithuzar wrote: »
    I can't remember the dudes name on here but imo he/she is right on the money using two hander with the other morph of rally on magblade.
    There just aren't many people good at that playstyle, including me, but the mobility is sooo good for 1vx!

    Maybe war maiden with 2hander front + riposte back bar

    I'm using war-maiden/shacklebreaker, 2-h/resto. its a new NB tho - so hasn't unlocked fwd momentum yet, so instead using rapids. The mobility while cloaked is pretty amazing - but the cost of rapids often means I can get into combat at the right place - but can't get back out of it!!

    A lot of fun though (I also used 2-handers on my magsorc - hardly anyone does that either).
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  • Girl_Number8
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    ak_pvp wrote: »
    To bite or not to bite, that is the question?

    NB is one of the easiest to kill if you can avoid the initial burst. 2 squish.

    That said there are a few infuriating mechanics that have to be dealt with when fighting them. I.e. fear can't be broken straight away. Cloaking whilst in a root. (I know you are there, you know you are there.) and not NB exclusive, eternal hunt ignoring root immunity. And why don't ST dots tick in cloak?

    Not when it's a group of nb's playing tag, lol. :*
  • Toc de Malsvi
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    I feel like every class lacks 1 thing to make a great bow build...

    Bruh, I almost teared up a little. Where is the love right?
    Edited by Toc de Malsvi on November 1, 2017 9:11PM
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    .
    I feel like every class lacks 1 thing to make a great bow build...

    Bruh, I almost teared up a little. Where is the love right?

    Been having some decent success with this thus far:

    On me Templar

    Javelin - range CC and keeps distance
    Light - goes through block I believe and is great burst
    Injection - dots do work well with light and the damage can get up there, still on the fence though
    Lethal - massive damage, travel time and defile
    Silver Shards - about 30% more damage than injection, does 20% more damage on vamps and wolves, passive wpn damage, spammable

    I usually go Lethal, Light, Javelin (helps make lethal land) silver, injection and because I'm at range I can do all of that, if I don't have time, variations work. Of course weaving through out.
    Edited by Waffennacht on November 1, 2017 9:47PM
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  • technohic
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    Love my NB but not sure it’s top dog. If they keep nerfing things; it’s getting there by attrition.

    Magblade has surprising survival; but burst really is tied to ultimate and magic bow proc. Not best but it sure has utility.

    Stamblade has burst and pressure that comes with every stam class. Cloak let’s you get away with more though. Like medium armor.
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    Stamblades are in a good place with the asylum 2h. Being able to gap close into an empowered incap and then execute once or twice, chug a potion, combat frenzy, and you're back to an incap again.
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  • HEBREWHAMMERRR
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    I think magblade could be a contender for top dog next patch. I haven’t had a chance to play with the merciless change but that will be nice to ani cancel for better timed burst. This coupled with the sustain change for instant magicka return will help with 1vX. The shuffle nerf will be the icing on the cake for crippling grasp roots to keep distance between targets.

    I’m really excited for magblade, that being said, I still believe it’s right there with magDK for highest skill ceiling. So while I think we will be great in the right hands, I don’t think the nerf hammers need to come out any time soon.

    #MagBladeHypeeee
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    I think magblade could be a contender for top dog next patch. I haven’t had a chance to play with the merciless change but that will be nice to ani cancel for better timed burst. This coupled with the sustain change for instant magicka return will help with 1vX. The shuffle nerf will be the icing on the cake for crippling grasp roots to keep distance between targets.

    I’m really excited for magblade, that being said, I still believe it’s right there with magDK for highest skill ceiling. So while I think we will be great in the right hands, I don’t think the nerf hammers need to come out any time soon.

    #MagBladeHypeeee

    The merciless change is such a huge buff that no one talks about. The burst is going to be so smooth. I can't wait to play with the change. I've been asking for this change for about a year now.
  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    Magden is probably just as good as Stamden, it just requires a different approach.

    Its easy to get 52k+ max magicka on a Mag Warden....maybe more...combing Deep Fissure + Screaming Cliff Racer + Force Pulse is a ridiclious amoutn of burst damage....its absurd how hard that hits, it does however have a significantly steeper learning curve to pull off, its not as easy as Stamina Warden.

    if i ever decided to level a Warden thats what I would do, I think Jack Daniel was the only other guy on PC-NA running anything like that i recall, and he used to crush people with that set up, Cast Deep Fissure, Cast Screaming Cliff Racer, weave into Force Pulse BOOM! with 52k+ Max Magicka hits like a train, and if you need to go defensive you have HUGE damage shields comparable to Sorc's with Dampen Magic + Healing Ward, and an ultimate builder with Shimmering Shield.

    So much untapped potential for Mag Warden in pvp, its just not as easy as Stamina to pull off, but is probably overall more powerful in the hands of a skilled and patient player, it may actually be the most powerful spec in the entire game, it just has a steeper learning curve to be able to pull off.

    maybe one day i'll try it, but i dread even thinking about leveling another character...
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    Magden is probably just as good as Stamden, it just requires a different approach.

    Its easy to get 52k+ max magicka on a Mag Warden....maybe more...combing Deep Fissure + Screaming Cliff Racer + Force Pulse is a ridiclious amoutn of burst damage....its absurd how hard that hits, it does however have a significantly steeper learning curve to pull off, its not as easy as Stamina Warden.

    if i ever decided to level a Warden thats what I would do, I think Jack Daniel was the only other guy on PC-NA running anything like that i recall, and he used to crush people with that set up, Cast Deep Fissure, Cast Screaming Cliff Racer, weave into Force Pulse BOOM! with 52k+ Max Magicka hits like a train, and if you need to go defensive you have HUGE damage shields comparable to Sorc's with Dampen Magic + Healing Ward, and an ultimate builder with Shimmering Shield.

    So much untapped potential for Mag Warden in pvp, its just not as easy as Stamina to pull off, but is probably overall more powerful in the hands of a skilled and patient player, it may actually be the most powerful spec in the entire game, it just has a steeper learning curve to be able to pull off.

    maybe one day i'll try it, but i dread even thinking about leveling another character...

    Magden lacks HoTs and a strong burst heal, it's susceptible to both sustained pressure and big burst damage. Sure the damage is superior to what a stamden has, but it's just too hard to relieve pressure. You're far too ultimate reliant for both offense and defense which can force you into cycles of chaining defensive ultimates and prolonging fights where you can never get the burst combo off to win. Just my two cents
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    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    Magden is probably just as good as Stamden, it just requires a different approach.

    Its easy to get 52k+ max magicka on a Mag Warden....maybe more...combing Deep Fissure + Screaming Cliff Racer + Force Pulse is a ridiclious amoutn of burst damage....its absurd how hard that hits, it does however have a significantly steeper learning curve to pull off, its not as easy as Stamina Warden.

    if i ever decided to level a Warden thats what I would do, I think Jack Daniel was the only other guy on PC-NA running anything like that i recall, and he used to crush people with that set up, Cast Deep Fissure, Cast Screaming Cliff Racer, weave into Force Pulse BOOM! with 52k+ Max Magicka hits like a train, and if you need to go defensive you have HUGE damage shields comparable to Sorc's with Dampen Magic + Healing Ward, and an ultimate builder with Shimmering Shield.

    So much untapped potential for Mag Warden in pvp, its just not as easy as Stamina to pull off, but is probably overall more powerful in the hands of a skilled and patient player, it may actually be the most powerful spec in the entire game, it just has a steeper learning curve to be able to pull off.

    maybe one day i'll try it, but i dread even thinking about leveling another character...

    Magden lacks HoTs and a strong burst heal, it's susceptible to both sustained pressure and big burst damage. Sure the damage is superior to what a stamden has, but it's just too hard to relieve pressure. You're far too ultimate reliant for both offense and defense which can force you into cycles of chaining defensive ultimates and prolonging fights where you can never get the burst combo off to win. Just my two cents

    Yeah that’s spot on IMO. I play with a lot of mag wardens and that’s accurate. They’re lethal in groups thought. One of the ones I play with runs proxy det to add to that combo and dawnbreakers instead of force pulse. He one shots people regularly.
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    I can see this thread morph into a nerf sorc thread in the near future.
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