DDuke wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Can we change some magblade skills to be undodgable or at the very least make it so they can't be reflected.aits getting ridiculous how you can dodge everything a magblade can throw at you by chance shuffle or by just dodge rolling.Do something with swallow soul.

No don't implement more undodgeable skills it's good to have counterplay. You know why no one plays medium, because everything is undodgeable nowadays. Stop asking for i win buttons

@BohnT I main stamblade 80% of my play time is stamblade and stamplar and the other 20% is everything else.I hate undodgable abilities like you and Its good to have counter play agree there as well but it's unfair that all of magblades damage is dodgeable and reflectable.Not balanced and they deserve a undodgable skill at least.

Soul Harvest is undodgeable. Just add Skoria and slay med armor builds. I agree on the reflect part tho.

If we could finally get a decent nerf to spell wall, it wouldn't be much of a difference if a skill is reflectable or not.
Hardly anyone uses Wings anymore because they only reflect 4 projectiles and only 1 class can be locked down with them for a certain amount of time due to how expensive wings are from the start.
The other reflect only affects 1 projectile every cast and i always use light attack weaving to get rid of it without wasting an ability.

I don't think ranged magblade needs more buffs.
I believe Concealed weapon needs some damage utility and the shadow ult needs a strong buff it is one of the worst ults for both pve and pvp.

Yep, I definitely agree on Consuming Darkness & morphs being weak.

I made a suggestion a while ago to make it grant invisibility to players within the circle, that'd make it an interesting defensive ultimate in PvP & would also boost its DPS in both PvP and PvE as you'd get the +10% spell/weapon damage from Master Assassin passive.

ZOS_Wrobel wrote: »

We’d like to address a few common concerns we’ve been seeing in this thread. First: Agony. We appreciate all the feedback we’ve received so far on the changes to this ability, but understand some of you feel casting Agony on multiple players currently feels too risky. To counter this, we’re planning to change this to an upfront cost instead of damage each tick, and reduce its duration. We also want to make Executioner more useful, and will be implementing some changes in an upcoming PTS patch. This will include having it give resources back instantly, and making it proc when an enemy dies within a couple seconds of using an Assassination ability.

As an aside, we’re also looking at making Assassin’s Will an instant cast instead of having it be a super short cast.

We’ve also seen requests to modify Power Extraction, and to add an ability that scales off your maximum health. While we won’t be addressing these in this update, it’s something we’re exploring for the future.

We appreciate everyone who’s taken the time to test the class changes on the PTS and provide feedback. Keep it coming!

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Can we change some magblade skills to be undodgable or at the very least make it so they can't be reflected.aits getting ridiculous how you can dodge everything a magblade can throw at you by chance shuffle or by just dodge rolling.Do something with swallow soul.

No don't implement more undodgeable skills it's good to have counterplay. You know why no one plays medium, because everything is undodgeable nowadays. Stop asking for i win buttons

@BohnT I main stamblade 80% of my play time is stamblade and stamplar and the other 20% is everything else.I hate undodgable abilities like you and Its good to have counter play agree there as well but it's unfair that all of magblades damage is dodgeable and reflectable.Not balanced and they deserve a undodgable skill at least.

Soul Harvest is undodgeable. Just add Skoria and slay med armor builds. I agree on the reflect part tho.

Feanor wrote: »

As for blindness, there is a simple reason why this should never be in game. Character disabling abilities are extremely unfun for the opponent. Unding think you’ll find anyone who enjoys being CCed or snared. Blindness would take this a whole step further.

RavenSworn wrote: »

StayAlfresco wrote: »

So.... Is the new agony going back to the first reiteration of the new skill? What's the thoughts on the non dot damage version? Now that people have mucked around with it more, is it useable? Is it still ignoring battle spirit? What's the go?

Prefer the older iteration. The newer version just feels... Clunky. I am talking in terms of pve of course. It just doesn't roll together with the rotation.

DDuke wrote: »

Maryal wrote: »

For those calling Consuming Darkness 'useless' and wanting it changed-

Actually bolstering Darkness (morph of consuming darkness) is one of the best and most unique ultimates in the game.

You won't see its value when used in the wrong context.

For pve, it is best used by someone having a fairly high (sustained) DPS build ... situations where you just need to survive a little longer to kill off a difficult boss. Pve wise, this probably won't help ganker builds, because they build for burst damage. I found this ultimate useful in maelstrom arena (for example).

For pvp, it's not the type of ultimate that will add dps to a high burst gank build ...so you have to think context ... it's all about context:

Wanna live (and help others live) when running through a busted down keep doorway that is being slathered in oils, fireballs, arrows, etc., ... yea it works here (pop a siege shield on top of the ulti for extra protection)

Wanna live through an Eye of the Storm ulti coming your way ... yea, it works here too.

Wanna stand on top of your keep's wall and pelt arrow s down at seiging forces below without getting one-shotted ... yea, works there too

Wanna live through a bomb or explosion ... yea, it works here too.

Note: with the above, you also want to cast vigor, since you (the caster) can't proc your own skill's synergy
... and no, it's not going to be much help if all you're going to do is 'stand in stupid'


Honestly, sometimes I have to wonder if some people calling (whatever) skill useless and arguing it should be changed, isn't really someone who knows the real value of a non-meta skill and simply wants to see it nerfed.

So you're saying it's good as some group ultimate, but how does it compare with Wardens' Northern Storm ultimate that is not only mobile and does practically the same thing, but also passively gives them 8% max magicka?
Yeah, not well.

Everyone understands what it currently does - the problem is that it's just too weak, niche and uninteresting.
Calling it a "non-meta skill" is an understatement, I haven't seen anyone use it for years.

Besides, I find the whole concept of "non-meta skills" absurd when there's barely even any options within the meta itself.

In any case, no one's saying it should be changed, I'm merely saying it should have additional elements (i.e. granting stealth) to turn it into something that more people can use.

Maryal wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Maryal wrote: »

For those calling Consuming Darkness 'useless' and wanting it changed-

Actually bolstering Darkness (morph of consuming darkness) is one of the best and most unique ultimates in the game.

You won't see its value when used in the wrong context.

For pve, it is best used by someone having a fairly high (sustained) DPS build ... situations where you just need to survive a little longer to kill off a difficult boss. Pve wise, this probably won't help ganker builds, because they build for burst damage. I found this ultimate useful in maelstrom arena (for example).

For pvp, it's not the type of ultimate that will add dps to a high burst gank build ...so you have to think context ... it's all about context:

Wanna live (and help others live) when running through a busted down keep doorway that is being slathered in oils, fireballs, arrows, etc., ... yea it works here (pop a siege shield on top of the ulti for extra protection)

Wanna live through an Eye of the Storm ulti coming your way ... yea, it works here too.

Wanna stand on top of your keep's wall and pelt arrow s down at seiging forces below without getting one-shotted ... yea, works there too

Wanna live through a bomb or explosion ... yea, it works here too.

Note: with the above, you also want to cast vigor, since you (the caster) can't proc your own skill's synergy
... and no, it's not going to be much help if all you're going to do is 'stand in stupid'


Honestly, sometimes I have to wonder if some people calling (whatever) skill useless and arguing it should be changed, isn't really someone who knows the real value of a non-meta skill and simply wants to see it nerfed.

So you're saying it's good as some group ultimate, but how does it compare with Wardens' Northern Storm ultimate that is not only mobile and does practically the same thing, but also passively gives them 8% max magicka?
Yeah, not well.

Everyone understands what it currently does - the problem is that it's just too weak, niche and uninteresting.
Calling it a "non-meta skill" is an understatement, I haven't seen anyone use it for years.

Besides, I find the whole concept of "non-meta skills" absurd when there's barely even any options within the meta itself.

In any case, no one's saying it should be changed, I'm merely saying it should have additional elements (i.e. granting stealth) to turn it into something that more people can use.

It is illogical to compare one class's (arguably broken) healing ult with a non-broken ulti belonging to another class. If you play a warden, why in the world would you advocate to change the ulti of an entirely different class unless ... (do I really have to say it?)

Let's look at Bolstering Darkness ... an ultimate that lasts roughly 15 seconds:
a.) reduces enemy Movement Speed by 70% (that enter the area)
b.) grants the caster and allies Major Protection, reducing damage taken by 30%.
c.) grants the caster an ADDITIONAL 30% reduction in damage taken ( = 60% reduction in damage taken for the caster)
d.) allows low health allies in the target area to activate a Hidden Refresh, which grants them:
1. invisibility; and
2. increases their Movement Speed by 50%; and
3. Heals them for [x] amount over 4 seconds (note: the heal is generally quite massive)

As far as granting 'stealth'' ... I would say the invisibility granted by the synergy IS about as stealthy as it gets.

DDuke wrote: »

Maryal wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Maryal wrote: »

For those calling Consuming Darkness 'useless' and wanting it changed-

Actually bolstering Darkness (morph of consuming darkness) is one of the best and most unique ultimates in the game.

You won't see its value when used in the wrong context.

For pve, it is best used by someone having a fairly high (sustained) DPS build ... situations where you just need to survive a little longer to kill off a difficult boss. Pve wise, this probably won't help ganker builds, because they build for burst damage. I found this ultimate useful in maelstrom arena (for example).

For pvp, it's not the type of ultimate that will add dps to a high burst gank build ...so you have to think context ... it's all about context:

Wanna live (and help others live) when running through a busted down keep doorway that is being slathered in oils, fireballs, arrows, etc., ... yea it works here (pop a siege shield on top of the ulti for extra protection)

Wanna live through an Eye of the Storm ulti coming your way ... yea, it works here too.

Wanna stand on top of your keep's wall and pelt arrow s down at seiging forces below without getting one-shotted ... yea, works there too

Wanna live through a bomb or explosion ... yea, it works here too.

Note: with the above, you also want to cast vigor, since you (the caster) can't proc your own skill's synergy
... and no, it's not going to be much help if all you're going to do is 'stand in stupid'


Honestly, sometimes I have to wonder if some people calling (whatever) skill useless and arguing it should be changed, isn't really someone who knows the real value of a non-meta skill and simply wants to see it nerfed.

So you're saying it's good as some group ultimate, but how does it compare with Wardens' Northern Storm ultimate that is not only mobile and does practically the same thing, but also passively gives them 8% max magicka?
Yeah, not well.

Everyone understands what it currently does - the problem is that it's just too weak, niche and uninteresting.
Calling it a "non-meta skill" is an understatement, I haven't seen anyone use it for years.

Besides, I find the whole concept of "non-meta skills" absurd when there's barely even any options within the meta itself.

In any case, no one's saying it should be changed, I'm merely saying it should have additional elements (i.e. granting stealth) to turn it into something that more people can use.

It is illogical to compare one class's (arguably broken) healing ult with a non-broken ulti belonging to another class. If you play a warden, why in the world would you advocate to change the ulti of an entirely different class unless ... (do I really have to say it?)

I was comparing it to Northern Storm of Wardens' Winter's Embrace skill line, not the healing ultimate Secluded Grove (which got nerfed in this PTS).

Northern Storm has 10m radius (twice that of Bolstering Darkness), follows the caster, deals frost dmg which can proc Minor Maim and snares targets within by 66% while also granting everyone within the circle Major Protection.

Why would anyone want some bloody 5m radius static puddle and a clunky dps loss synergy if you can have a warden in your grp?

I'm not saying Bolstering Darkness (and Veil) needs changes, I'm saying it needs buffs.

Maryal wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Maryal wrote: »

For those calling Consuming Darkness 'useless' and wanting it changed-

Actually bolstering Darkness (morph of consuming darkness) is one of the best and most unique ultimates in the game.

You won't see its value when used in the wrong context.

For pve, it is best used by someone having a fairly high (sustained) DPS build ... situations where you just need to survive a little longer to kill off a difficult boss. Pve wise, this probably won't help ganker builds, because they build for burst damage. I found this ultimate useful in maelstrom arena (for example).

For pvp, it's not the type of ultimate that will add dps to a high burst gank build ...so you have to think context ... it's all about context:

Wanna live (and help others live) when running through a busted down keep doorway that is being slathered in oils, fireballs, arrows, etc., ... yea it works here (pop a siege shield on top of the ulti for extra protection)

Wanna live through an Eye of the Storm ulti coming your way ... yea, it works here too.

Wanna stand on top of your keep's wall and pelt arrow s down at seiging forces below without getting one-shotted ... yea, works there too

Wanna live through a bomb or explosion ... yea, it works here too.

Note: with the above, you also want to cast vigor, since you (the caster) can't proc your own skill's synergy
... and no, it's not going to be much help if all you're going to do is 'stand in stupid'


Honestly, sometimes I have to wonder if some people calling (whatever) skill useless and arguing it should be changed, isn't really someone who knows the real value of a non-meta skill and simply wants to see it nerfed.

So you're saying it's good as some group ultimate, but how does it compare with Wardens' Northern Storm ultimate that is not only mobile and does practically the same thing, but also passively gives them 8% max magicka?
Yeah, not well.

Everyone understands what it currently does - the problem is that it's just too weak, niche and uninteresting.
Calling it a "non-meta skill" is an understatement, I haven't seen anyone use it for years.

Besides, I find the whole concept of "non-meta skills" absurd when there's barely even any options within the meta itself.

In any case, no one's saying it should be changed, I'm merely saying it should have additional elements (i.e. granting stealth) to turn it into something that more people can use.

It is illogical to compare one class's (arguably broken) healing ult with a non-broken ulti belonging to another class. If you play a warden, why in the world would you advocate to change the ulti of an entirely different class unless ... (do I really have to say it?)

Let's look at Bolstering Darkness ... an ultimate that lasts roughly 15 seconds:
a.) reduces enemy Movement Speed by 70% (that enter the area)
b.) grants the caster and allies Major Protection, reducing damage taken by 30%.
c.) grants the caster an ADDITIONAL 30% reduction in damage taken ( = 60% reduction in damage taken for the caster)
d.) allows low health allies in the target area to activate a Hidden Refresh, which grants them:
1. invisibility; and
2. increases their Movement Speed by 50%; and
3. Heals them for [x] amount over 4 seconds (note: the heal is generally quite massive)

As far as granting 'stealth'' ... I would say the invisibility granted by the synergy IS about as stealthy as it gets.

Maryal wrote: »

For those calling Consuming Darkness 'useless' and wanting it changed-

Actually bolstering Darkness (morph of consuming darkness) is one of the best and most unique ultimates in the game.

You won't see its value when used in the wrong context.

For pve, it is best used by someone having a fairly high (sustained) DPS build ... situations where you just need to survive a little longer to kill off a difficult boss. Pve wise, this probably won't help ganker builds, because they build for burst damage. I found this ultimate useful in maelstrom arena (for example).

For pvp, it's not the type of ultimate that will add dps to a high burst gank build ...so you have to think context ... it's all about context:

Wanna live (and help others live) when running through a busted down keep doorway that is being slathered in oils, fireballs, arrows, etc., ... yea it works here (pop a siege shield on top of the ulti for extra protection)

Wanna live through an Eye of the Storm ulti coming your way ... yea, it works here too.

Wanna stand on top of your keep's wall and pelt arrow s down at seiging forces below without getting one-shotted ... yea, works there too

Wanna live through a bomb or explosion ... yea, it works here too.

Note: with the above, you also want to cast vigor, since you (the caster) can't proc your own skill's synergy
... and no, it's not going to be much help if all you're going to do is 'stand in stupid'


Honestly, sometimes I have to wonder if some people calling (whatever) skill useless and arguing it should be changed, isn't really someone who knows the real value of a non-meta skill and simply wants to see it nerfed.