Have you every meet a player you suspect bought their account already leveled?

Rahotu · October 2017

ookami007 wrote: »

Every example you gave can EASILY be explained.

First, you can level to 660 with ANY toon. Let's just say a person's primary toon is a stamblade. They may totally understand stamblades and be good at them - or decent enough that they get by.

Ok, now they spend 4-5 days (and you CAN do it in less) leveling a tank. They literally have DAYS of experience with a tank, even though they are CP660 - they didn't earn that CP AS A TANK.

Same goes with healer. If you spent the last 2 years as a dps and now you suddenly roll a healer, you experience as a healer is marginal - at best.

Case in point... I've been on since before Day 1. I ALWAYS played dps. But... I always soloed or dualed with my wife. I did VERY little grouping, so the whole tank/healer/dps roles in ESO were unfamiliar to me. Now, I took it upon myself to look up builds, review dungeons beforehand, etc. before I started grouping, but even then it was painful when I started doing dungeons and didn't know all of the tactics - where to stand, etc.

Then, recently I started a tank. I read up on builds, decided on one and then practiced with lots of random normals until I felt comfortable and got told nicely (or yelled at) on where to position myself, etc. But even in normal dungeons, I'm sure people thought I should be better than I was - even though my tank was literally days old.

So, no, I don't assume people buy their accounts. But I'm sure it's possible. Just probably not as often as you think.

you 'soloed or duelled with my wife'? you have a photo for the 'soloed' bit? and btw...stay away from my wife!!

Jhalin · October 2017

High CP idiots is more likely a result of the godawful lack of teaching provided by the game. Every part of questing can be solo'd, and requires little to no brain power. You can easily get to CP levels by questing, and then be completely useless in group content because there is no precedent in solo play.

Rahotu · October 2017

group content,the holy grail of gaming....cept in my experience there's nearly always someone that isn't quite up to speed with the instance/boss fights/mechanics and it's nearly always fixed by the rest of the group just stopping for 1m and explaining,which they almost invariably never do but here we go again 'they are not as 'good' as me',if you want speed runs or wuick multi toon dailies just run with friends and if one of them needs to go and pick up the kids or do homework or whatever,disband and give up on the pixels or deal with it and explain whats coming up to to person you get instead of running through another 'speed run' dungeon,it astounds me that people who play a game designed by a company that revels in timewasting are so impatient

JamieAubrey · October 2017

I'm sure people say this about me when I do a dungeon

Enemoriana · October 2017

Can't say anything about buying leveled accounts... but high level doesn't mean that somebody knows how to play, especially how to play in group.

Well, I have not 660cp, something about 500, but I don't think it really matter.
I played with my main character, sorcerer, more than thousand hours.
He has low dps. He is universally bad: a bit of everything. I don't know how to taunt. And what is shields? I don't use second skill bar. My ultimate is werewolf transformation. I never finished any veteran dungeon or trial.
Because...
Usually I do quests. That's how I earned most part of exp.
Craft for myself. Gather materials. Steal. Do public dungeons. Last few months sometimes try easy normal dungeons solo (easily finish some; can't kill Rilis in Banished Cells I alone. He can't kill me too, however).
I don't need to know how to play to do all this. It is so easy!
What would it be if I'll try anything difficult, especially with random people?
Something like you described.

Pele · October 2017

Yes

Every time I meet a CP 600+ who has absolutely no idea how to play, my first thought is: this is what happens when you ride the dolmen zerg train or pay for Skyreach carries to level your character instead of actually playing the game and learning something as you level.

jssriot · October 2017

Yes

Yeah, there was an issue the other night in a trial group I was in where we had someone on a CP660 toon with an end-game title who appeared to be struggling with basic gameplay. The person had refused to get into discord with us and also did not appear to understand the trial. But it was how they didn't seem to understand basic gameplay that made someone else in the group suggest the account had been bought already leveled.

I don't know if that's a thing in the ESO or not. I have no concrete proof it happens--and i know for fact it happens in other MMOs. I think it's certainly possible--i know players who have done all the end-game content and have more or less quit ESO completely out of boredom. It's entirely conceivable to me that someone like that might see nothing wrong (for them) in selling their account, or even just giving it away to a friend. I mean, they put a lot time into that account/toons, so why just let it rot?

RaddlemanNumber7 · October 2017

other

Not in this game. I have in others. People at max level dressed in the very highest level of reward gear but took literally 30 seconds to find a spell to cast. Hilarious.

zaria · October 2017

Conduit0 wrote: »

I honestly don't see this game being popular enough for people buying accounts to be a serious issue. I just can't imagine there is that big of a market for it.

What I can imagine though is people skyreach grinding to max and not knowing how to play the game because they have literally been carried from day 1. I can also see people leveling to lower mid CP without knowing how to play because overland and delves are faceroll easy and do nothing to teach you how play your class/role.

This, also playing causal since launch you get to 660 easy.

jaburns wrote: »

I've run dungeons with dual bow wielding NBs who only light attack or spam snipe... they were pretty high in CP. And I ran Arx Corinium with a CP400ish Templar wearing heavy armor and using a 2H (he queued as a damage dealer). He was spamming Reverse Slash and then using Radiant Destruction at 90% health. I wish I was making this up.

You can get to max cp without skills, now if he has no skill and an vMA weapon I say its an bought account.

NewBlacksmurf · October 2017

Yes

Yes but this can’t be fixed by an activity finder. This is people....some will, some won’t ...etc.

I do believe the game would better suggest or deviate from the trinity, it solves all of this but for whatever reason, they have this broken trinity thing that does nothing but confuse expectations.

I believe playing in a trinity type of mindset is best for the groups success but I don’t expect ransoms to fulfill the trinity. If you do, you’re going to be frustrated. I would much prefer the option to elect myself to be kicked so there’s no penalty and it prompts others to kick me. That’s the only two likely solutions.....

-add option to elect myself to be kicked with reason why so group sees it.

-blur or remove the trinity set up entirely.

Runefang · October 2017

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Yes but this can’t be fixed by an activity finder. This is people....some will, some won’t ...etc.

I do believe the game would better suggest or deviate from the trinity, it solves all of this but for whatever reason, they have this broken trinity thing that does nothing but confuse expectations.

I believe playing in a trinity type of mindset is best for the groups success but I don’t expect ransoms to fulfill the trinity. If you do, you’re going to be frustrated. I would much prefer the option to elect myself to be kicked so there’s no penalty and it prompts others to kick me. That’s the only two likely solutions.....

-add option to elect myself to be kicked with reason why so group sees it.

-blur or remove the trinity set up entirely.

Outside of the dungeon finder tool and trials the trinity is blurred already.

Huyen · October 2017

other

In a way we all bought our account (we had to level tho), but what I encounter mostly is people with max cp that got no clue how to play their characters properly. I think the bigger issue is the "we have to rush to CP!" and the grindfest that is going on.

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2017

No

OP, silly assumptions like this are the reason why CP levels must be hidden from other players.

There are a million reasons why CP level does not equal nor reflect playing skills or experience. If you need those reasons explained, then you're the one who knows nothing about the game (probably because you bought your account).

NewBlacksmurf · October 2017

Yes

Runefang wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Yes but this can’t be fixed by an activity finder. This is people....some will, some won’t ...etc.

I do believe the game would better suggest or deviate from the trinity, it solves all of this but for whatever reason, they have this broken trinity thing that does nothing but confuse expectations.

I believe playing in a trinity type of mindset is best for the groups success but I don’t expect ransoms to fulfill the trinity. If you do, you’re going to be frustrated. I would much prefer the option to elect myself to be kicked so there’s no penalty and it prompts others to kick me. That’s the only two likely solutions.....

-add option to elect myself to be kicked with reason why so group sees it.

-blur or remove the trinity set up entirely.

Outside of the dungeon finder tool and trials the trinity is blurred already.

The trinity wouldn’t apply outside of dungeons and trials. Unsure what you’re referring to as other situations are regarded as support.

SisterGoat · October 2017

Yes

I was new to dungeons so I wanted to do Fungal Grotto II, and there was a 630 in golden gear in our party (this was the max CP at the time). I asked if II and vet are the same thing, and they didn't know. I found that rather odd...

Banana · October 2017

Taylor_MB wrote: »

No, some people just don't care about being good.

Thats me

Jaimeh · October 2017

other

I can definitely understand players having high CP and not really knowing how to play the game, because, well, I used to be one of them! ESO was my first MMORPG, and I had little understanding of combat mechanics, even after months into the game. I did a lot of questing on my own, accumulated CP's, but when I went into my first normal dungeon (BC1, at CP300+

), I was painfully clueless about what things like aggro, taunt (even 'rez'!) meant. I reached max CP (501 at the time) and I was rocking a destro/resto as a magsorc DPS, until another player in a PUG told me to get a double destro, and use surge for healing. I didn’t know that mobs emanating red lines can be interrupted for what’s an embarrassingly long time to admit, and in fact, two years later, I’m still learning new things

Thus, although it's definitely possible for people to get pre-leveled accounts, I think it’s actually more often a case of casual players leveling their characters solo by questing, and not really knowing how to perform a given role in a group content (not to mention not knowing dungeon mechanics, etc).

ArchMikem · October 2017

CP660 and "Im still learning how to play" should never be associated with the same player... I cant beleive people actually buy fully leveled accounts.

Jake1576 · October 2017

Yes

Yes not saying who but someone got banned permanently on ps4 na that got caught cheating to then only come back with another max cp character a week later all you have to do is google eso account selling i'm sure you will find lots or results

code65536 · October 2017

Yes

I know people who have purchased accounts. Sometimes it's so that they can jump servers. E.g., someone playing on console who wants to play on PC but don't want to reacquire all those CPs. And sometimes it's someone coming back to the game (after having sold their original account) (yes, that one is highly ironic).

I haven't encountered any new players who bought accounts, though. That's a hefty chunk of change to invest into a game that you don't know. What if you find that you don't enjoy the game? And would someone new to ESO even know anything about (and thus care about) CPs or vMA weapons? All the account buyers that I know are people who are already familiar with the game.

Dubhliam · October 2017

other

This game is too easy.

People play regularly for over a year and learn nothing.

I mean, why bother when you can random normal all day every day?

Vrienda · October 2017

No

Getting to 660 is just a pure grind, not difficult at all.

Not everyone looks up guides and whatnot, they just pick whatever looks fun.

Saturnana · October 2017

No

I don't know how you'd recognize a player like that..

I mean, unless they straight up tell you they've purchased their account, there's no way of knowing.

Also, you guys are making me feel extremely self-conscious. :P More than half the mistakes and silly things mentioned in this thread are things I'd probably do - or have done - at some point in the game. I'm CP400 and have only ever run a normal dungeon ONCE, with a friend. Only did two normal trials up until this point and that was with a very understanding and patient group of guildies. I'm a PvE quester at heart, enjoying the overland content mostly, and so if I ever were to gather up the courage and walk into a dungeon with a group I don't know, I'd probably make a fool of myself. And in all honesty, it's threads like these that make me want to try out this type of content even less.

Just because someone does not seem to understand the mechanics of whatever it is you're currently running as a group (or does not know their gear/skill set-up is generally thought of as sub-par, for that matter), doesn't mean the player has not gotten to where they are currently by themselves. Instead of kicking, trolling or calling out names, they'd probably be better helped if someone were to try and teach / inform them on what it is that's expected of them.

Coatmagic · October 2017

Been in game since beta and just rolled over 600cp about a month ago!

Am a questoholic; craftoholic; altoholic ~ but NOT a grindoholic...

Have not set foot in a dungeon since first couple months into release,
and if you happened upon any of my characters anywhere you would probably
be wondering if I bought my account pre-rolled, LOL.

People like you are why I will never, ever go into a group dungeon: Git Gud or Go Home.

Thanks, but no thanks, I'll enjoy my gameplay my way and stay out of yours!

eso_nya · October 2017

No

Theres a lot of bad players out there. Getting carried thru skyreach doesnt help anyone learning the game.
No gear, no passives, no skillpoints, no clue how to play the class. Failed Copy&Pasting meta build.

R there still ppl around who believe cp is an indicator of skill?

phileunderx2 · October 2017

Someone in a dungeon accused me of buying my account. .lol. I mean yes I bought it just like everyone else who plays the game bought their accounts. Anyway this guy was a jerk and just wanted to argue about something.

Tavore1138 · October 2017

other

I can see how these things could happen - ESO is my first MMO, barring a brief and unhappy visit to EQ when it first launched.

When I first played I levelled up by questing and solo content and did some solo PvP but I really just didn't get that an MMO was more than just lots of people playing solo on a big server. The only group stuff I did was just working with another person to take down a WB or a quest boss.

It was months and months before I considered the idea of the 4 person dungeons and longer still until I really understood that to prosper in group content you needed to specialise in one of the 3 areas and have a group with at least one of each.

Longer still before I joined a proper guild and understood the whole concept of 12 man groups for pve or pvp and raid co-ordination and so on...

My point is you can get a long way from being a solo only player in this game without needing to get what taunt is or why it is the job of DPS to res or any of the other 'It is known' type concepts that are natural to old hands at MMOs... instead of assuming someone has bought their toon maybe consider they may just not really grasp how MMOs work when you get to the grouping bits.

Tasear · October 2017

Yes

It's really not a lack of knowledge people are just over the line. It's how they respond afterwards when I ask try to help them that's worriesome.

Also here's sure a lot more results

Jayman1000 · October 2017

Rahotu wrote: »

it astounds me that people who play a game designed by a company that revels in timewasting are so impatient

To me ESO is one of those games I can't help playing slowly. I read all quest texts, even listen to the NPC's to finish talking, often just stop to actually read books/notes I find. Spending a lot of time making the game visually look just like I want it to. Sometimes a nice piece of music plays while I pass a scenic view by sunset and I just stand there looking and listen; very relaxing. When in dungeons I can't do all this of course so I just keep up, but it does mean I never get to read/hear the dungeon quest text or read books and notes which is a shame. Most of the time I have no idea why Im murdering all these people and bosses (they look evil most of the time so Im just assuming they are and that I am a good guy bringing justice to hellbeasts). I guess when I get good enough I can solo normal dungeons so I can take my good time there too

Jayman1000 · October 2017

Tasear wrote: »

It's really not a lack of knowledge people are just over the line. It's how they respond afterwards when I ask try to help them that's worriesome.

Also here's sure a lot more results

To name a few

I think you should not post these links here; some of these sites could be dubious/malicious and I can't imagine it is not against the rules of this forum.