Back on topic: Can't wait to see how high the cost increase on Rune Prison will be. This will be decisive if the skill is really useable.

For mag chars it’s simply mist form over all 5 mines and don’t take damage at all.

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sorcs already over perform in PvP. If they need something they need a nerf
Like many other mention in here, mages fury needs a rework or something. So tired of 1 button spam sorcs. Mages fury duration should be set to 2 seckonds so good players get rewarded for using it. Not braindead skill to spam on all low hp targets you see. And mages fury is pretty destroying BG`s etc

Dude I'm sorry but no good player gets hit with a 19k overload crit that is ridiculous. Sorry its just the fact that you aren't learned enough in the game yet and still need experience. I'm in light armor and I still don't get crit with 19k overloads the most I've seen are like 9k or 10k because I'm in all divines and I can accept that damage because it is the way I build. I build for bigger shield and weaker health poo, it's kind of a risk reward playstyle. And u didn't take into account that the sorc attacking you could have been using the elegant armor set which buffs overloads out the [snip]. That doesn't mean sorc is op that means the armor set needs to be addressed. Should I complain about magicka nightblades then because assasins will is like the hardest hitting skill in the game? CERTAINLY NOT! The real answer for you my friend is that you need to learn to become better at the game and learn how to actually pvp. But knowing zos they will probably lower the skill ceiling even more just to make you feel comfortable and not work hard for your skillful progress ... which is how the game should be btw it should reward skill not reward feelgood mechanics.

has nothing with skills to to do. ive been top rated player in wow and many other games..that dosnt mather.

i wear full heavy armor with 30k spell resist buffed up and almost 3 k crit resist.

This sorc sniped me from behind when we were running to teleport to top in BG.

And you come here and talk about eso needs skills to play HAHAHA.

would like to see you when you get sniped from behind with overload 1 click attack...takes skills.

sorcs are dominating as PvP class. and they should be balanced. instant frags, stun, mages fury.

players should be rewarded for playing good, not 2 spam skill class

@Lord_Invel tell me what bieng sniped from behind 40 k dmg in 2 sek have to do with a player is good or not?

If you´re getting rekt by sorcs in bgs you still have a lot to learn. The class is apart from execute spam not really shining in a nonCP environment.
The execute is only relevant bc of the scoring system.

Sorcs shileds need a nerf. When a sorc can take crit charge into dizzying swing and get also hit my a nifgblade and i use take flight and he take no dmg...then there is something wrong.

Sorcs are dominating in PvP , survival and damage. They need to be toned down. And remove fragment stun is not the right way. This shield stacking *** needs to go

No, sorcs are absolutely useless agains competent players. Apart from a bit of telegraphed burst that can easily be avoided, sorcs lack the tools to compete with a more steady DPS approach. If you can't dodge frags then that's either a l2p issue or you need a better build.

In the future this might change, but as of now, that's how it is. I literally never struggled against a single sorc on ANY of my stamina builds (not counting cheesy dueling builds like pets and so on).

dodeg instant frag?! [snip]

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Biro123 wrote: »

The clever option isn't to let it hit you in the face. Explains why you have so much trouble..
If you're having so much trouble, try playing sorc - one of the first thing you learn is how to avoid your own reflected frags.. Then when you have this skill, you can also use it on other characters.
You an even use it to avoid other kinds of attacks too!

you know that dodge roll only work on 10% spells abilities in this game? u know that pretty much all abilities/spells in this game are UNdodgeable?

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OdinForge wrote: »

Do you think it's not possible to dodge fragments or something? Do you think the "instant cast" function of crystal fragments means that the frag hits you instantly?

Your logic is entertaining but very confusing.

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Instant frag means that sorcs can cast fragment instantly, that means no cast time, that means it teakes 1 push to a button to the frag hits you. Understand? that cant be dodged.

[snip]Let's start with dodge roll. What's the problem with it?

Well, here's a list of basic skills that you cannot mitigate with dodge roll - they will hit you:
Puncturing Strikes (and morphs), Dive (and morphs), Radiant Destruction (and morphs), Dark Talons (and morphs), Petrify (and morphs), Aspect of Terror (and morphs), Daedric Curse (and morphs), Daedric Mines (and morphs), Lightning Form (and morphs), Spear Shards (and morphs), Backlash (and morphs), Scorch (and morphs), Impaling Shards (and morphs), Ash Cloud (and morphs), Wall of Elements (and morphs), Drain Essence (and morphs), Trap Beast (and morphs), Fire Rune (and morphs), Trapping Webs (and morphs), Caltrops (and morphs), Path of Darkness (and morphs), Agony (and morphs), Rune Prison (and morphs), Lightning Splash (and morphs), Volley (and morphs), Magicka Detonation (and morphs), Explosive Charge, Lotus Fan, Streak, Dark Flare (heal debuff portion only), Ritual of Retribution, Arctic Blast

And here's a list of skills that you can't mitigate with dodge once they've been applied:
Mages' Fury (and morphs), Sun Fire (and morphs), Eclipse (and morphs), Swarm (and morphs), Searing Strike (and morphs), Fiery Breath (and morphs), Cleave (and morphs), Twin Slashes (and morphs), Poison Arrow (and morphs), Arrow Spray (and morphs), Soul Trap (and morphs), Infectious Claws (and morphs)[Note: Infectious Claws is very, very difficult to dodge, but it's possible as per my tests], Entropy (and morphs), Volatile Armor

Bad huh? Gets worse:

Ultimates - Soul Strike (and morphs), Dawnbreaker (and morphs), Elemental Storm (and morphs), Meteor (and morphs), Dragonknight Standard (and morphs), Bat Swarm (and morphs), Consuming Darkness (and morphs), Soul Shred (and morphs), Summon Storm Atronach (and morphs), Negate Magic (and morphs), Radial Sweep (and morphs), Nova (and morphs), Sleet Storm (and morphs), Soul Harvest

And one ultimate which you can't mitigate by dodging once it has been applied: Lacerate (and morphs)

That's not all.

DW/2H Bleeds, Skoria proc, DoT set bonuses, lightning/resto heavy attacks - all undodgeable as well.

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gammelscroll wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

gammelscroll wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

gammelscroll wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

gammelscroll wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

gammelscroll wrote: »

ZOS_RyanM wrote: »

We have removed a few comments that were baiting and disruptive. We ask that you please keep your posts civil and constructive.

sorcs already over perform in PvP. If they need something they need a nerf
Like many other mention in here, mages fury needs a rework or something. So tired of 1 button spam sorcs. Mages fury duration should be set to 2 seckonds so good players get rewarded for using it. Not braindead skill to spam on all low hp targets you see. And mages fury is pretty destroying BG`s etc

Dude I'm sorry but no good player gets hit with a 19k overload crit that is ridiculous. Sorry its just the fact that you aren't learned enough in the game yet and still need experience. I'm in light armor and I still don't get crit with 19k overloads the most I've seen are like 9k or 10k because I'm in all divines and I can accept that damage because it is the way I build. I build for bigger shield and weaker health poo, it's kind of a risk reward playstyle. And u didn't take into account that the sorc attacking you could have been using the elegant armor set which buffs overloads out the [snip]. That doesn't mean sorc is op that means the armor set needs to be addressed. Should I complain about magicka nightblades then because assasins will is like the hardest hitting skill in the game? CERTAINLY NOT! The real answer for you my friend is that you need to learn to become better at the game and learn how to actually pvp. But knowing zos they will probably lower the skill ceiling even more just to make you feel comfortable and not work hard for your skillful progress ... which is how the game should be btw it should reward skill not reward feelgood mechanics.

has nothing with skills to to do. ive been top rated player in wow and many other games..that dosnt mather.

i wear full heavy armor with 30k spell resist buffed up and almost 3 k crit resist.

This sorc sniped me from behind when we were running to teleport to top in BG.

And you come here and talk about eso needs skills to play HAHAHA.

would like to see you when you get sniped from behind with overload 1 click attack...takes skills.

sorcs are dominating as PvP class. and they should be balanced. instant frags, stun, mages fury.

players should be rewarded for playing good, not 2 spam skill class

@Lord_Invel tell me what bieng sniped from behind 40 k dmg in 2 sek have to do with a player is good or not?

If you´re getting rekt by sorcs in bgs you still have a lot to learn. The class is apart from execute spam not really shining in a nonCP environment.
The execute is only relevant bc of the scoring system.

Sorcs shileds need a nerf. When a sorc can take crit charge into dizzying swing and get also hit my a nifgblade and i use take flight and he take no dmg...then there is something wrong.

Sorcs are dominating in PvP , survival and damage. They need to be toned down. And remove fragment stun is not the right way. This shield stacking *** needs to go

No, sorcs are absolutely useless agains competent players. Apart from a bit of telegraphed burst that can easily be avoided, sorcs lack the tools to compete with a more steady DPS approach. If you can't dodge frags then that's either a l2p issue or you need a better build.

In the future this might change, but as of now, that's how it is. I literally never struggled against a single sorc on ANY of my stamina builds (not counting cheesy dueling builds like pets and so on).

dodeg instant frag? you must be realy stupid or just playing dumb

Because the clever option is to let it hit you in the face? Explains why you have so much trouble..
If you're having so much trouble, try playing sorc - one of the first thing you learn is how to avoid your own reflected frags.. Then when you have this skill, you can also use it on other characters.
You an even use it to avoid other kinds of attacks too!

you know that dodge roll only work on 10% spells abilities in this game? u know that pretty much all abilities/spells in this game are UNdodgeable?

Well frags is part of your 10% because it can be dodged. And it's really slow and visible. It's also possible to know when a sorc has an instant frag ready, so it's completely in your capability to avoid. If you insist on fighting sorcs in melee range then you will get hit with melee range frags, but if they have the comfort to turn to face you for a melee range frags then you are not putting enough pressure on them.

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Do you understand the difference between cast time and projectile travel time? Cast time is how long it takes to pull the bow back for a snipe. Travel time is how long the arrow from snipe stays in the air before hitting its target. Frags is the same. Instant cast has no cast time, but it still has a travel time. [snip]

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Ive been testing in game now. When you are a melee caracter on top of the sorc, there is no chance in hell to see the travel time, cause there is no *** travel time when you are on top of the sorc.

from when a sorc push a instant cast frag and the time it hits you ( still on the sorc) we are talking about 0.1-0.2 sek)

so pls show me your skills that u have the reaction time to dodge roll a 0.1 sek travel time cast

Make both mines arm instantly and cover a slightly wider area. Make the 3 mine morph deal increasing damage for each subsequent mine hit.

gammelscroll wrote: »

pople claim you can dodge roll a instant cast lol

so you tell me if youare in the sorcs face doing damage you can see the fragment is traveling to you with instant cast?

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This is the pts forum if you have so much problems with sorc or with dodging frags you could go to the pvp forum or player helping player forum.

As for if instant cast frags can be dodge: Yes they can and it is actually quite easy. You can actually see the proc; at this point you can assume that he/she will use it soon.(Most likely at the same time as the curse goes off). That is way most sorcs are so predictable. They are more or less forced into one build since the toolkit is quite limited and gets more and more limited with each patch. Basically almost every sorc runs more or less the same bar setup. (with the exception of pet sorcs)


Why you make a list of things that can not be dodge to proof your point is beyond me. And cfrag is not on the list, but it was exactly this ability that let you made these posts. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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The problem with sorcs isn't burst. Their burst is ST and telegraphed as heck. The problem is having shields with the least counter of any defense mechanism and keeping the damage/mobility up. I'd even say things like mines needs a damage buff to make them more dangerous AoD than lel roll/mist. And the Cfrags 10% dmg nerf was stupid, did nothing but hurt pve more.

Implosion is also lowkey cancer but eh.