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magblades..the New Agony skill does oblivion dmg to you . LOL
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If they make it scale it be the biggest Buff NB had in a while.If I pick it up I get minor mending 8%magic and the healing buff we get from siphoning i can make it work.@KingJ I haven't tested it on stamblade, but remember it always heals you for more than it damages you and boosts all other healing. The heal from the skill scales off magika and the damage is half of the heal. The heal can crit, which increases the next damage tick but the damage cannot crit.
Don't expect anything of value from the skill except minor mending. If you can look at your build and feel that fills more holes than whatever it would be replacing then, yes, it's worth it0 -
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✭✭dumb question, any viability for pve as a healer or just running vma?
Night blades have been viable healers. Giving them minor mending is actually going to push them to be a contender for highest healing throughput of the 5 classes for pve without question. I will be testing this soon just to be sure. Siphoning passive always served to keep nbs healers on par with templars minor mending mending, since depending on most standard setups a nightblade healer is usually gaining 6 to 9 percent increased healing done from it.
Truthfully speaking i still feel minor mending is a bit overkill for pve. Nb HPS is already in a competitive spot and has been for a while. But for pvp this is substantial.Edited by exeeter702 on September 20, 2017 11:37PM1 -
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If they make it scale it be the biggest Buff NB had in a while.If I pick it up I get minor mending 8%magic and the healing buff we get from siphoning i can make it work.@KingJ I haven't tested it on stamblade, but remember it always heals you for more than it damages you and boosts all other healing. The heal from the skill scales off magika and the damage is half of the heal. The heal can crit, which increases the next damage tick but the damage cannot crit.
Don't expect anything of value from the skill except minor mending. If you can look at your build and feel that fills more holes than whatever it would be replacing then, yes, it's worth it
It is currently scaling off max magicka and sd.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »It's cool @lexxypwns we gotta get you NBs 100 to 0 in one go anyway lol, a healing buff doesn't change that any!
It's a total game changer for my build, ATM my biggest threat is major defile. I'll be adding like 30% to my incoming healing from this skill, at least, that basically means major defile just resets me to the already great healing I have on live.
This is a giant buff to mageblade, like, huge.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »dumb question, any viability for pve as a healer or just running vma?
Night blades have been viable healers. Giving them minor mending is actually going to push them to be a contender for highest healing throughput of the 5 classes for pve without question. I will be testing this soon just to be sure. Siphoning passive always served to keep nbs healers on par with templars minor mending mending, since depending on most standard setups a nightblade healer is usually gaining 6 to 9 percent increased healing done from it.
Truthfully speaking i still feel minor mending is a bit overkill for pve. Nb HPS is already in a competitive spot and has been for a while. But for pvp this is substantial.
I'll take your word for it since I don't heal in pve as much.
If your statement is largely agreed upon, then that's probably why the devs felt they needed to add the self-dmg component to the spell.
It's sounding more like a cool spell; looking forward to seeing it in PvP.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭This is not a buff run the numbers and think of a fight you can only have one down at a time. Yes you can use as much as you want but the damage is unmitigated goes pass shields and will out pace all other HoTs.
Remember for this to be the best self HoT even with the damage on you it would not be worth using on yourself and one other person. With it on any two people that would be 4K oblivion damage PER second. A heal you can have on one, two targets at once? Are you seeing madness here the power to heal 4K a second on just one guy is not game changing.
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✭Back in June I jested:MisterBigglesworth wrote: »Keep this up guys and I'm going to have to start making parody threads/poll everyday like "Make transmog items tied to doing /kowtow in front of Mr. Bigglesworth at Rawl'ka" and "Should every NB ability do Oblivion damage?" and other terrible ideas.
But even I could not have come up with such a brilliant concept of dealing Oblivion damage to yourself even!
Like, wow...
Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.7 -
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I get what you're saying & so I'll just chalk it up to you & I having different playstyles, but in the spirit of a heated debate:
" By adding more sustain into your build you're sacrificing something, either defensive utility or damage."
Crushing shock already(live server) out dps's funnel/swallow; the bigger/longer status effects from asylum staff is damage on top of that. In a trial someone will likely be running worm cult, heavy attacks will be thrown in occasionally due to moving around/mechanics, siphoning attacks may be used & sustain poisons are thing; pve wise. You can even throw in High elf regen + vampirism in some cases for extra sustain. So the only thing you're really losing out on is damage reduction if you're a vampire but you could go dark elf & mitigate some of that.
IF agony wasn't changed, you could ranged CC your mag sorc opponent to run out of stam & not allow them to re-apply their shields, while they're taking a knee, and cause the status effects on the next weave.
One of magblades weaknesses in the past has been our lack of major/minor mending however, at the cost of taking increase damage outside of that from players; you're assisting your opponent to put pressure on you. Don't forget that the damage done to yourself SCALES; from what I hear, off of CP although I don't know the specifics.
Ultimately argonian nb's have been a thing for a few patches now, 50+ points into blessed & stand in Refreshing Path like a sorc standing in their mines, or a templar standing in his "house".
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ik that I wished it scaled with highest stat.exeeter702 wrote: »
If they make it scale it be the biggest Buff NB had in a while.If I pick it up I get minor mending 8%magic and the healing buff we get from siphoning i can make it work.@KingJ I haven't tested it on stamblade, but remember it always heals you for more than it damages you and boosts all other healing. The heal from the skill scales off magika and the damage is half of the heal. The heal can crit, which increases the next damage tick but the damage cannot crit.
Don't expect anything of value from the skill except minor mending. If you can look at your build and feel that fills more holes than whatever it would be replacing then, yes, it's worth it
It is currently scaling off max magicka and sd.
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✭Need to test this with Song of Lamae (i.e. when you take damage, deal damage to the attacker, the attacker is you) can this cause even more self-damage? Would be funny if that's the case
Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.3 -
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✭Honestly the problem of no minor mending can be fixed by adding it to Refreshing Path or Funnel Health.
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✭✭Thanks for taking Major Mending away from the "Healing Class" (still has an entire Skill Tree dedicated to healing) and then giving it some pathetic mini version, usable to no one and then giving XX Mending out to other classes like candy. Brilliant.
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Cage_Lizardman✭✭✭✭✭So nightblades now have a better selfheal than stamina wardens and templars... that costs nothing to use?3 -
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✭Waffennacht wrote: »It's cool @lexxypwns we gotta get you NBs 100 to 0 in one go anyway lol, a healing buff doesn't change that any!
It's a total game changer for my build, ATM my biggest threat is major defile. I'll be adding like 30% to my incoming healing from this skill, at least, that basically means major defile just resets me to the already great healing I have on live.
This is a giant buff to mageblade, like, huge.
I wouldn't call it a yuge buff for magblade, don't do a KenaPKK like when we got the syphoning attacks healing
It's going to be good in certain situations. I am almost positive I won't be using it in my build, as I have no space and I balance my builds around 1v1 when I first create them so that skill has absolutely no place in there.
I'm sure it will be good for your build, of course, but categorizing it as a "giant huge buff" isn't really true.4 -
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✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »It's cool @lexxypwns we gotta get you NBs 100 to 0 in one go anyway lol, a healing buff doesn't change that any!
It's a total game changer for my build, ATM my biggest threat is major defile. I'll be adding like 30% to my incoming healing from this skill, at least, that basically means major defile just resets me to the already great healing I have on live.
This is a giant buff to mageblade, like, huge.
I wouldn't call it a yuge buff for magblade, don't do a KenaPKK like when we got the syphoning attacks healing
It's going to be good in certain situations. I am almost positive I won't be using it in my build, as I have no space and I balance my builds around 1v1 when I first create them so that skill has absolutely no place in there.
I'm sure it will be good for your build, of course, but categorizing it as a "giant huge buff" isn't really true.
If you say so, after some testing, with the specific build I run, adding healthy offering increases my overall HPS by close to 40% before taking into account the damage it does. That's an ~30% increase to the healing I currently have. If that's not a giant huge buff then idk what is. My mageblade is pushing out more HPS than stamina builds are getting combining rally and vigor and has access to healing ward to protect from burst. Again, if that's not a giant buff to you that's cool, but it is for me.
Also, Kena was right, having healing attached to siphoning is a big deal.Edited by Lexxypwns on September 21, 2017 3:41PM2 -
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That's a very specific experience involving my build, someone with less healing done/received or someone running a build with more or less heals than me will experience a different result. I just know that the build I run just got buffed enough that as a solo, open world, light armor, mageblade I feel I can safely drop cloak0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MisterBigglesworth wrote: »Need to test this with Song of Lamae (i.e. when you take damage, deal damage to the attacker, the attacker is you) can this cause even more self-damage? Would be funny if that's the case
If there was only a set in which you could sacrifice yourself to give a huge amount of burst healing and hots in the area. Kinda like a bombblade, but you heal instead of DMG lol.
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✭✭✭✭✭MisterBigglesworth wrote: »Need to test this with Song of Lamae (i.e. when you take damage, deal damage to the attacker, the attacker is you) can this cause even more self-damage? Would be funny if that's the case
If there was only a set in which you could sacrifice yourself to give a huge amount of burst healing and hots in the area. Kinda like a bombblade, but you heal instead of DMG lol.
They should have put this skill in the soul shriven skill line.1 -
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Honestly after @Lexxypwns feedback. I found out that my survivability skyrocketed in duels. so I am beginning to like the healthy offering morphe. not quit sure how it will work in open world.THE CAVELRY HAS ARRIVED! Cav is a professional magblade, (in his not so professional opinion). He is immortal and is fighting for the Pact since 2E 572, amidst the turmoil of the Second Akaviri Invasion. He protects the provinces of Skyrim, Morrowind and Black Marsh.
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crobarXIII✭✭✭MisterBigglesworth wrote: »Need to test this with Song of Lamae (i.e. when you take damage, deal damage to the attacker, the attacker is you) can this cause even more self-damage? Would be funny if that's the case
If there was only a set in which you could sacrifice yourself to give a huge amount of burst healing and hots in the area. Kinda like a bombblade, but you heal instead of DMG lol.
I always wonder how well the redistributor set would work on a NB tank if it had no cooldown, that's also assuming it works with self healingPS4-NA-1000+cp
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✭✭Thanks for taking Major Mending away from the "Healing Class" (still has an entire Skill Tree dedicated to healing) and then giving it some pathetic mini version, usable to no one and then giving XX Mending out to other classes like candy. Brilliant.
"Healing class" lol... ok. Dedicated healing skill line? Because it has the word restoring in it? The skill line with a tank ability, and skills that should never be run along side certain resto staff skills? With passives that only really help bol and cleansing? Compared to a nb skill line that grants upwards of 9 percent healing done, a smart hot, aoe heal and an aoe heal ultimate? The list goes on.
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Honestly after @Lexxypwns feedback. I found out that my survivability skyrocketed in duels. so I am beginning to like the healthy offering morphe. not quit sure how it will work in open world.
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I see what you did there...
are we talking about healing received or healing given.. cuz these two things are different.
and when you heal yourself... ass in give yourself healing ... how does that work with minor vitality and minor mending...
Mending is healing done vitality is healing received. Healing done effects all heals that you do regardless of recipient. Healing received effects all incoming heals regardless of source.
This is a big buff, minor mending is the same as the Templar healing passive if you need a reference for its strength, and if you're in a group with another mageblade the healing you get from the skill on each other is more than the damage you each take AND gives you both minor mending.
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✭Waffennacht wrote: »It's cool @lexxypwns we gotta get you NBs 100 to 0 in one go anyway lol, a healing buff doesn't change that any!
It's a total game changer for my build, ATM my biggest threat is major defile. I'll be adding like 30% to my incoming healing from this skill, at least, that basically means major defile just resets me to the already great healing I have on live.
This is a giant buff to mageblade, like, huge.
I wouldn't call it a yuge buff for magblade, don't do a KenaPKK like when we got the syphoning attacks healing
It's going to be good in certain situations. I am almost positive I won't be using it in my build, as I have no space and I balance my builds around 1v1 when I first create them so that skill has absolutely no place in there.
I'm sure it will be good for your build, of course, but categorizing it as a "giant huge buff" isn't really true.
If you say so, after some testing, with the specific build I run, adding healthy offering increases my overall HPS by close to 40% before taking into account the damage it does. That's an ~30% increase to the healing I currently have. If that's not a giant huge buff then idk what is. My mageblade is pushing out more HPS than stamina builds are getting combining rally and vigor and has access to healing ward to protect from burst. Again, if that's not a giant buff to you that's cool, but it is for me.
Also, Kena was right, having healing attached to siphoning is a big deal.
A huge buff would imply anyone not running that skill would be missing out on something. I know for a fact I'm not able to run in in duels, which is 90% of my magblade playtime, and when I pvp I mostly solo in cyro or play BGs with a healer. None of those scenarios would be improved by me running a skill that gives me major mending. You are obviously talking bs, as I said: the build is good for your play style.
How will this skill help a destro/resto shieldblade? Oh wait, it wouldn't.
Same thing goes for healing on syphoning attacks. Healing on that was such a "huge buff" that kena rerolled to dual wield just sayin (no disrespect to kena, he's a great player!).Edited by Subversus on September 21, 2017 5:44PM0 -
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EdTerra✭✭✭They need to make this scale with highest stat, siphoning tree offers extremely little to stamblades.
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