SanTii.92 wrote: »

I gave the staff an honest shot on mwarden, and wasn't convinced. It's nice, but actually struggled keeping it up between enemy dodge rolls and it's short duration, and since you can only affect one enemy at a time, i don't see myself end up running it on live. I'd guess a sorc would do a bit better with it, but not much. 4 seconds duration is pretty low.

pieratsos wrote: »

You can complain about shieldstacking, curse double explosion, endless fury timer, implosion and dark deal/conversion. Those are valid points that would encourage an actual conversation regarding sorcs and balance. But when threads begin by calling streak a spammable, OP or anything of the sort and even go as far as asking for a nerf to it by giving it a cooldown then no one is going to take you seriously cause you have no clue about what you are talking about and the only responses you are going to get is "this is another nerf sorc thread", "L2P" and generally people being ironic. And rightfully so.

Xvorg wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

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Brrrofski wrote: »

To be clear, the only thing I'm against when it comes to sorc is that new staff. Vast majority of it's use in PvP will be by a sorc. Anyone can use it, but nobody does. Every destro resto sorc (99% of them) use it. Like 5% of the rest of magica population use it. If that. It is a huge sorc buff.

Yes, mag sorc is strong in PvP. But it isn't god mode. That new staff will be game breaking. It cannot go live like it.

I don't think they meant to buff sorcs. I jus think they don't PvP in their own game so don't realise the implications of this staff. I think it's an honest mistake, but a huge one if it goes live.

P.S. The 2H Asylum weapon is insanely OP too.

Yes but magsorcs don't use 2h weapons so why would the forums QQ about that?

Interesting. I think I'll try a hybrid sorc next patch. You know, 5% extra dmg and great stam recovery on kills, major brut with a heal...

and the option to cast crystal blast followed by crit rush and executioner...

ToRelax wrote: »

I honestly don't understand why everyone here is so fixated on that staff... it's not bad, and I don't yet know whether I'll use it, but it definitely wouldn't hurt me much to use a 5/5/2 setup instead.

Subversus wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

To be clear, the only thing I'm against when it comes to sorc is that new staff. 99% of it's use in PvP will be by a sorc. Anyone can use it, but nobody does. Every destro resto sorc (90% of them) use it. Like 5% of the rest of magica population use it. It is a huge sorc buff.

Yes, mag sorc is strong in PvP. But it isn't good mode. That new staff will be game breaking. It cannot go live like it.

Only reason sorcs use force pulse is because there is literally no other spammable available. Personally I wish sorcs had an in kit spammable. Here's what it boils down to now... Sorcs, the only option there was is now better. Every other magicka build, now you have a choice between the class spammable and force pulse. Or hell, use it in an off rotation and continue using the better spammable. Watch, I'll demonstrate the rotation on say a magblade.

Force pulse to proc the staff, light attack, swallow soul, light attack, swallow soul, light attack, force pulse etc sneaking in your dots and assassin's will burst. You have the same advantages, and still have a better spammable to use. You just get another plus to your setup.

Same with DKs, you also get another dot to add look at that. Same with every magicka set up.It's just making a single tool available to EVERYONE better. Just because Sorcs don't have an alternative to that tool does not mean this is exclusively a sorc buff.

Ugh... These forums make my brain hurt...

LOL at this comparison of the classes. Yes, DK is JUST LIKE SORC with Crushing Shock. Except without Crystal Frags. And without an Execute. Oh and without unblockable Curse. Oh right and without mobility. Yeah guys, everyone can use Crushing Shock just as effectively as Sorc!!111

These are some low-quality posts you're putting out there.

Yes, DK. Able to permablock, able to spam 7k skorias ON COOLDOWN, able to use 3 damage sets in 1v1s and still permablock just fine, able to hit an undodgable leap that does more damage than my 5.2k wep dmg 37k stam incap, able to use the immensely overpowered heal from embers, able to basically perma root you, able to restore stamina while fearing with arguably one of the if not the strongest single target CC, able to constantly keep you off balance and able to use reverb for 60%+ healing reduction.

I am sorry, @Kilandros , were you trying to say that dks are weak? Because they are the absolute best 1v1 class in the game, only beatable by templars that purge their OP heal. What was your point exactly? No good magdk should ever lose to a sorc.

EDIT: grammar

Drdeath20 wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

A lot of you sorc whiners shouldn't even have forum accounts. With no understanding of the game it's impossible to make coherent points. (If you haven't PvP'd with all 5 classes extensively, keep your opinions on PvP to yourself a bit more) The same inane points are brought up tirelessly, again and again, worded slightly differently. They are shot down each time by multiple (knowledgeable) ppl but it only takes one mouthbreather to stumble in here and give CPR to the dumbest idea floated yet. Streak as a spammable? 5% cost reduction thru class passives insanely OP?? Endless Fury an AoE execute???

This thread was 3 pages long when I went to bed last night, and the sorc haters still hadn't made any logical successes in their arguments. 4 pages later the situation hasn't changed.

Useless post is useless.

Enslaved wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Elder Sorcs Online

• Cheaper ultimates
• Cheaper use of both magicka/stamina skills
• Top tier sustain
• Shield stacking
• Passive execute
• Active AOE execute
• Best mobility in game

I mean, wtf Zos? Is there any point playing any other class?

maybe templar for heal in PVE cause when we don't talk about DPS this become " Elder templar online " ?

Same thing when you want to tank in PVE , this become " Elder DK online " .

cheaper use of magicka skills ? this make me lol.

You really should get to know your own class. Aww, yes, you wanted it to be same for ALL magicka ingame skills. Boy, that would really balance sorc.

ParaNostram wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

To be clear, the only thing I'm against when it comes to sorc is that new staff. 99% of it's use in PvP will be by a sorc. Anyone can use it, but nobody does. Every destro resto sorc (90% of them) use it. Like 5% of the rest of magica population use it. It is a huge sorc buff.

Yes, mag sorc is strong in PvP. But it isn't good mode. That new staff will be game breaking. It cannot go live like it.

Only reason sorcs use force pulse is because there is literally no other spammable available. Personally I wish sorcs had an in kit spammable. Here's what it boils down to now... Sorcs, the only option there was is now better. Every other magicka build, now you have a choice between the class spammable and force pulse. Or hell, use it in an off rotation and continue using the better spammable. Watch, I'll demonstrate the rotation on say a magblade.

Force pulse to proc the staff, light attack, swallow soul, light attack, swallow soul, light attack, force pulse etc sneaking in your dots and assassin's will burst. You have the same advantages, and still have a better spammable to use. You just get another plus to your setup.

Same with DKs, you also get another dot to add look at that. Same with every magicka set up.It's just making a single tool available to EVERYONE better. Just because Sorcs don't have an alternative to that tool does not mean this is exclusively a sorc buff.

Ugh... These forums make my brain hurt...

LOL at this comparison of the classes. Yes, DK is JUST LIKE SORC with Crushing Shock. Except without Crystal Frags. And without an Execute. Oh and without unblockable Curse. Oh right and without mobility. Yeah guys, everyone can use Crushing Shock just as effectively as Sorc!!111

These are some low-quality posts you're putting out there.

Oh yes and instead magknights have a root that can keep people thoroughly in place, impressive dots, the ability to reflect spells, and a spammable that heals themselves for a giant chunk, and another dot that heals for an impressive chunk.

See? We both can just list things that are in the class' kit.

Here's what all classes get from this staff... All three status effects thrown onto the enemy. Tell me, what build wouldn't benefit from doing 8% increased damage to something, taking 15% decreased damage from them, and putting on a not insignificant fire dot? Cuz that is the literal only thing that's changed with that staff.

If you can't see how this can benefit every class then I don't know what to tell you.

Edit: I even offered an example of what it looks like using force pulse on an off rotation just to apply those status effects while still using BETTER SPAMMABLE ABILITIES! Wanna know why no other class uses force pulse usually? Because every other class has a better option than it, that option still remains and can still be used in conjunction with the staff's proc.

Would love to see you actually try to play a mDK with Crushing Shock. It's hard to take you seriously when you clearly have little to no experience with the classes you're attempting to compare Sorcs to. They aren't interchangeable. You can't just throw a Destro on a DK and voila you're a Sorc. Your argument which essentially boils down to "everyone has access to Force Pulse" is at best lazy and uninformed as to how classes actually play out in Cyrodiil. None of the other classes can land burst that ignores global cooldowns like Sorc. If you don't know that by now you either (A) Don't know how to play Sorc or (B) Don't know how to play anything but Sorc. If you're just another zergling and you're speaking from the perspective of spamming Force Pulse behind a zerg and having fun, just say so and we can be done with it.

One of the things that has kept Sorc fairly balanced is the lack of a strong class spammable (though Force Pulse is pretty strong for a spammable). Sorc has made up for that with the highest burst from skills that can be timed to ignore global cooldowns. No other class can deal as much instant burst damage as a Sorc who lands Curse/Frag/Fury/Ulti combo. So it makes sense that the filler skill (Force Pulse) not be OP. This Asylum weapon is going to add so much pressure to Force Pulse alone that it's going to be completely over the top with the rest of Sorc's toolkit.

Also, you don't see other classes moaning for this weapon to go Live. That's because other classes know they can't do with Force Pulse what Sorc can do with Force Pulse. That alone should tell you something. I'm honestly exhausted of the Sorcs who each and every patch refuse to see the strengths in their own class and act like it's somehow hard to play. It's literally the easiest class to play solo.

I'm not saying they're the same for crying out loud! Ugh! I'm not trying to turn DKs or Magblades or anything into sorcs! Can we stop putting words in my mouth? I'm getting really, REALLY frustrated with this BS.

Not to mention that blatantly ad hominem "oh you don't agree with me clearly you just don't play as these other classes". I do! I have! I've even made for fun magknight builds with force pulse as the spammable and guess what? It didn't perform as well as the meta so I wouldn't even say replace your spammable with force pulse. I know the limitations of the classes I do theory crafting all the time to create different and fun and unique builds. I try things, and I learn.

Everyone has access to force pulse, that is my argument, but you misunderstand what my argument means. It means use the force pulse once every 4 or 5 seconds to proc the staff, then keep using your usual stuff. Hell, don't want to use a destro staff as your DPS bar? Put it on your back bar, make it infused with the weapon damage enchantment, the force pulse will proc the staff and enchantment, swap back to your regular bar and voila look at that you're back to your normal rotation and damage for those couple seconds. Seeing how in PvP battles are often won in couple second burst moments, you benefit just as much.

I'm literally just saying the staff is something you can use force pulse once to proc the effects and go back to business as usual. Come on. Getting tired and frustrated.

Edit: Also your "nobody can land bursts that ignore global cooldowns like sorcs" comment, I have two words... Magicka Warden.

Your frustration isn't because I don't understand what you're trying to say--I do--you're becoming frustrated because you aren't listening to what I'm saying. You're ignoring the Synergy Force Pulse has with the Sorc toolkit. That's the issue. You can't just shoehorn Force Pulse into the rotation on a different class and expect similar results. If you can't see that, then we're at an impasse.

I know the synergy force pulse has with sorcs. It procs frags. That's literally why it's used, to proc frags while doing damage. What is gained is the benefit of the staff. That benefit can be gained by anyone else by just adding force pulse to the rotation. Thus net gain for both - same thing. The only difference is the sorc won't have to add something to their rotation. If that is that large of an advantage, then it's the same situation for magdens who often set up their DPS to have shalks, cliff racer, and force pulse and maybe an ultimate all land at the same time. Their rotation burst doesn't change either. So if it is that big of an advantage to keep the same rotation as before, then it isn't a sorc problem exclusively. If it isn't, then it isn't a sorc problem at all.