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Why does Midyear Mayhem require 50 killing blows, rather than 5000 kill contributions?

  • Drummerx04
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    Enemoriana wrote: »
    Drummerx04 wrote: »
    Guys, if you haven't figured out that you can gather a couple friends from different factions and then go to some far corner of cyrodiil
    First of all, you have to get into Cyrodiil, you and all that friends :D

    On PC ZOS appears to have opened a new campaign for this event. There are not enough pvpers to fill 4 campaigns and I doubt this event will change that. You conveniently did not quote me saying to enter an underpopulated campaign. Currently at the beginning of prime time, there is extremely low pop in Xarxes, and I suspect the queue for the non vivec campaigns is < 30
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  • supaskrub
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    Keldheir wrote: »
    Getting the killing blows isn't as difficult as I thought. I'm just a healer and got 12 KBs in about 4 hours. So getting 50 in 10 days seems doable.

    funnily enough your kills per hour ratio is the same as mine (I'm running heals as well), getting 3 kills per hour and healing... easily done..
  • Enemoriana
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    Drummerx04 wrote: »
    On PC ZOS appears to have opened a new campaign for this event. There are not enough pvpers to fill 4 campaigns and I doubt this event will change that. You conveniently did not quote me saying to enter an underpopulated campaign. Currently at the beginning of prime time, there is extremely low pop in Xarxes, and I suspect the queue for the non vivec campaigns is < 30

    Not sure what's now, but when I logged off hour or two ago, all campaigns were full.
    New campaign, of course, was good. It was not filled to max... for half an hour? Maybe a bit longer. Queues were long not only for Vivec.

    I was lucky myself, I was 4(!!!) in queue, when decided to go to Cyrodiil (nearly the beginning of event), and I didn't had lags and any problems at all, even received 10 kills, but it really was luck, comparing to what others had.
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  • Tavore1138
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    It's easy if you're a sorc. You don't even really need to do much fighting. Just spam Mage's Fury on enemies that others are fighting, and steal kills. Such a dumb system.

    Agreed, my sorc got this after 2 decent fights, my NB has many more ap and play time but has only 9... same basic problem in BGs... if only ZoS understood how their game worked... or played any other class than sorc..
  • code65536
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    Vrienda wrote: »
    Is it possible to grind through duels? I know the boxes can't be obtained via duals but maybe kills can?

    No.
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  • a_Beautiful_Mind2
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    I completed the 50 killing blows on my healer using proxy, execute, and destro Ult quite quickly.
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  • Waseem
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    if pve healers and tanks can get it in day 1, it shouldnt be an issue..
  • leepalmer95
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    Waseem wrote: »
    if pve healers and tanks can get it in day 1, it shouldnt be an issue..

    Its not an issue

    It was never an issue

    It was just pve'ers who have never set foot into pvp overreacting and crying about a problem before the event existed.
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  • TheRealPotoroo
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    This requirement is so stupid it's brain damaged. After holding my nose I took my tank into Mayhem and tagged along with a guild for an hour or so. Lots of fighting and what have you but at the end of it 0 killing blows.
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  • Adzer2
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    You need to average 5 kills a day to get this achievement, while that might be a breeze for some, for others it will be a challenge, as usual they cater for the proc builds
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  • zaria
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    Waseem wrote: »
    if pve healers and tanks can get it in day 1, it shouldnt be an issue..

    Its not an issue

    It was never an issue

    It was just pve'ers who have never set foot into pvp overreacting and crying about a problem before the event existed.
    They wanted it to be an achievement you had to work for. 50 assists is just 1-3 zerg fights.
    Siege weapons, execute, damage ultimate are nice.

    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • Insomnia rex
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    LonePirate wrote: »
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    You don't have to be bursty to get a killing blow, I once killed an emp with a light bow attack and got an achievement :)

    That Didn't require the killing blow.

    Yes it did. The achievements for killing an Emperor, a Grand Overlord, the five classes and the ten races are all based on killing blows. You do not receive credit if you simply contribute but do not launch the final attack that actually kills the player.

    Killing emp is not killing blow. Got it in a four man group in IC and everyone got it. (The emp of any campaign, not of your own. No idea if those two work in different ways.) Same for grand overlord, got it in a zerg and at least a couple of people posted it in chat when he fell.

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  • Youmee
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    Well achievements arr usually collected on a main character. its unfair to the tanks and healers.
  • Sunburnt_Penguin
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    @Transairion

    I'm interested to know what your tally is up to now?
  • Merlin13KAGL
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    I think some subtleties are being missed here.

    It shouldn't be easy. It shouldn't be hard.

    It should be reasonable.

    KB's with oils/siege kind of takes away from (my percieved) value of the requirement. It shouldn't be about trading kills just to get the counter to advance. Either of these becomes the equivalent to throwing flower petals on 50 random heads - it holds little value, it's just something that has to be done to earn the achieve.

    And, yes, while 50 in a week even on non-primary DPS characters is obtainable in a week, if you intend to do it on multiple characters with minimal playtime available, it becomes more restrictive very quickly.

    Yes, it's a silly achievement from a silly event that rewards a dye(?) and a silly title. I just think it would be more worthwhile if it had more value to it.

    It's as balanced as anything ever is with ZoS. Do one of this thing, one of that thing, and many of this other thing. They could have offered multiple options, with appropriate tiers of difficulty, for the various builds/roles, etc.

    50 KB ~ 1000 assists ~ 10,000,000 damage (dealt, healed, or tanked). (Random numbers pulled from thin air, but you get the idea.)

    The side benefit/idea is to get people to come out of their comfort zone. The current setup will not do that. New PvP'ers are probably not going to have a defined build and gear in 10 days' time, and this will not encourage them to return.

    You can hate PvP. You can hate PvE. I would think each would still want their player base to grow?

    If you're gonna take the time and trouble to make an event, take the time and trouble to make it worth something.
    Edited by Merlin13KAGL on July 21, 2017 11:05AM
    Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...

    Earn it.

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  • Hempyre
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    It only took about two hours of Zerg surfing.
    Not really a big deal.

    That includes the load screens and disconnects.
  • Tenn60
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    With the population being continually locked shouldn't be terrible over the length of the event, my suggestion is don't try for it and just fight normally. My experience has been when you get too locked in on one thing in pvp you die a lot! I do not suggest chasing one guy through a 40 man Zerg by yourself just because he was the first person you attacked:)
  • DeadlyRecluse
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    It took 4 hours on my healer.

    I agree that it's silly achievement design, to some extent (I'd have preferred a higher number of kill assists instead), but it's really not that big a deal. Just play, have fun, do a little damage, and it'll come.
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  • Keep_Door
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    Im already at 32 after a few hours of playing, stop complaining its not hard.
  • Stopnaggin
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    Troneon wrote: »
    First they hide timed event achievements behind pay walls and now this....

    gg ZOS


    Uh, the whole game is a behind a paywall. And gonfigure they are offering something new, instead of the same old tired cap festivals. I'm not a pvp guy and I got 30 kills in about an hour, so if I can, anyone can.
  • Stopnaggin
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    Enemoriana wrote: »
    Zendran wrote: »
    I'm a little confused what the problem is here. 50 killing blows is pretty much child's play no matter what class you're on, and when you account for a large influx of non-PvPers it becomes even easier. If it was just 50 kill contributions people would just roll with a zerg and get the achievement in 10 seconds.

    Of course it will be easier when a lot of non-PvPers will be there.
    For PvPers.
    And if you are one of those non-PvPers? Who didn't PvP before and will not PvP after, but wants achievements/something that those achievements give? That sounds not so easy.

    For me this event sounds like a lot of suffering. Not because doing something unusual for me, that's not a problem, but because it would be really hard and absolutely not fun. And, yes, that's something not right with my build, because it is not for PvP and killstealing. Damn, that's even not some normal build, but it's enough for quests, exploring and doing public dungeons solo, and usually I don't need and want more. And changing absolutely everything, from skills and attributes to armor, for only some days and never again... that would be stupid and I don't have money enough to waste like this. PvE events could take some time, but they were not difficult both for PvE and PvP players. Not very interesting, maybe, but not difficult. And this event...

    Dude, I'm the worst pvper in the game, I got 30 kills in about an hour, 200k a and about 15 boxes or so. Get into big scrum and fire off any dps abilities. You'll get those kills in no time. The hardest part of this festival so far, is staying connected to the servers.
  • Transairion
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    Its not an issue

    It was never an issue

    It was just pve'ers who have never set foot into pvp overreacting and crying about a problem before the event existed.

    The only issue I found after experiencing the event myself was that, for me personally, it required a change in playstyle to an unsavory execute spamming one. I won't pretend I'm good at PvP of course, but I didn't really enjoy it at all until I actually finished and then I could help how I pleased (such as my normal zero burst build, healing etc)... it would've been a lot more enjoyable if role and burst potential was irrelevant.

    So I have dialed it back and edited the OP, thinking 5000 kill contributions would've been more in the spirit of what the event is trying to do than 50 last hits. 5000 might seem like a lot, but all the Bounty Quests are 20 player kills each and they fly by steadily.... well not the Warden one at least!

    Killing emp is not killing blow. Got it in a four man group in IC and everyone got it. (The emp of any campaign, not of your own. No idea if those two work in different ways.) Same for grand overlord, got it in a zerg and at least a couple of people posted it in chat when he fell.

    This is completely false, as I've contributed to the deaths of several Emperors and 2-3 Grand Overlords (nearly soloing one, but didn't get last tick of damage) and I have neither of the achievements. If they were for just contributing, I'd have both several times over.

    Almost all the achievements for "Kill X" require killing blow, while Cryodiil Dailies only require contribution to the kill.
  • DeadlyRecluse
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    So I have dialed it back and edited the OP, thinking 5000 kill contributions would've been more in the spirit of what the event is trying to do than 50 last hits.

    Yeah, while the killing blow achievement is really not that bad, a mass kill participation achievement seems like it would be more mayhem-esque.
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  • Pink_E_808
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    My char is an AD DK and I have almost 20 kills so far. It's easier than I thought it would be.
  • Xvorg
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    PvErs going against PvErs, there should be no problem getting the 50 kills
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  • hmsdragonfly
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    1vX them.
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  • rhapsodious
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    I haven't PVPed at all outside of running some Battlegrounds since Morrowind launched, and I barely PVPed for Homestead, and I still got my achievement after 5ish hours (of which an hour was probably spent crashing... ehe).

    You just have to be able to quickly shift your focus to someone whose health is running low, or as many other people have mentioned, get on those oils. Oils are bae.

    I think 10 days to get 50 kills is reasonable.
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    So I have dialed it back and edited the OP, thinking 5000 kill contributions would've been more in the spirit of what the event is trying to do than 50 last hits. 5000 might seem like a lot, but all the Bounty Quests are 20 player kills each and they fly by steadily.... well not the Warden one at least!



    What I have found is that the Bounty Quests go by fast because they seem to count your groups kills and not necessarily enemies that you personally contributed damage to. I have had these kills tick off while I was just standing there checking my inventory in a keep my group was defending.
  • OutLaw_Nynx
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    Don't be a tank in pvp
  • leepalmer95
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    I think the kb's are to decourage zerging from the noobs.

    Otherwise you could get it without actually killing anyone which kind of goes against what player vs player is about.
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