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Kicking a 2h user in vet dungeon
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GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oh, come on man.. there plenty of dude/dudettes that can handle a 2H fairly well in any contents. 2H is just fine in PvE. I have all types of toons in all classes and know what each toon and ability can do. It's all the same. It is how you play it. Well, prior to this patch, I was rolling around just fine soloing through world bosses and dungeons. Yes, and even certain vet dungeons where you don't need a second player to interrupt the boss crippling you. Got it, you don't like it. You don't want to play with other 2Hs. Cool, it's your prerogative. Same goes around..6 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭Morrowind made 2H viable. Its only behind by 2k dps from dw which is due to 1 less item slot.10 -
phaneub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Noted. I will keep my tanks and healers out of Vet dungeons from now on, have a nice day.3 -
WalksonGraves✭✭✭✭✭
✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »Noted. I will keep my tanks and healers out of Vet dungeons from now on, have a nice day.
If you tank or heal with a 2h melee pugs are better off without you.1 -
paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »phaneub17_ESO wrote: »Noted. I will keep my tanks and healers out of Vet dungeons from now on, have a nice day.
If you tank or heal with a 2h melee pugs are better off without you.
I sincerely doubt that is what he meant.4 -
phaneub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »phaneub17_ESO wrote: »Noted. I will keep my tanks and healers out of Vet dungeons from now on, have a nice day.
If you tank or heal with a 2h melee pugs are better off without you.
No, but if there's going to be people like you, kicking someone else for something as stupid as what they want to play over a silly video game, I'm better off not partying with you. I will play with those people because they're having fun doing what they want. Or maybe I'm wrong to thinking players should have fun doing it any way they want.
Edited by phaneub17_ESO on June 24, 2017 2:31AM3 -
SquareSausage✭✭✭✭✭The thing is though guys, yous are bashing on about 'my 2h dps guy does x amount of dps and im awesome, bla bla bla'.
Well, in random dungeons or pledge dungeons the 2h guy is most defionately gonna be some noob geavy attacking and wrecking blowing single target with no bow on back bar.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »
He would do better with dw
Alcast is one of the best DPS in the game, not just his server, but across all of them. Kicking him from your dungeon group because he is using a 2H would most certainly mean your downgrading your group.6 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Rally? Crit rush? Executioner? Wrecking blow?
Isn't there Cleave? That's an AoE cone plus a DoT. I don't play 2Handed though so I don't know numbers.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ive crushed the 630 dpsers in dmg with my 2h warden throw a rally and the wings drop brawler and wrecking and tear through bosses and adds like knife through butter toss caltrops and endless hail while trash mobbing no issues my stam sorc can survive even better1 -
Bringer✭✭✭the op wrote:hi im going to obnoxiously 'enforce the meta' while simultaneously not even knowing the current meta
2h is really good at aoe, it has an aoe dot, all light and heavy attack weaves will do aoe damage, and reverse slice weaving light attacks is a good spammable for trash fights, reverse slice is more like a much cheaper but less damaging steel tornado, not a traditional execute.
The place 2h falls short is no blade cloak. If boss fight survivibility is not an issue 2h is probably better than DW since it just kind of passively clears trash and adds as it goes with out even having to think about it, and in boss fights with more than one boss reverse slice just obliterates.Edited by Bringer on June 24, 2017 4:28AM2 -
adeptusminor✭✭✭✭I'm really not a fan of kicking people, even in vet dungeons. I will give a group about ~10 wipes or so on a single boss before I give up, depending on if a person is listening when the mechanics are explained. I was lucky to get in some really good, patient groups early on when I was doing vet dungeons who took their time to explain things to me, and didn't immediately drop or kick if some mistakes were made, and I appreciate that because it made me a better player overall. I like to think I'm returning the favor
Edited by adeptusminor on June 24, 2017 4:23AM7 -
GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It is true that DW is preferable for high end PvE and that some noobs will kick you just because they see you with 2h.
Join a good guild.
Also if you wanna PvE with 2h you need to make changes your 2h morphs from PvP oriented to AoE dmg.Edited by GeorgeBlack on June 24, 2017 5:19AM0 -
old_mufasa✭✭✭✭Op is full of horse manure....
Stam Wardens perform fine and I out dps most magic users in pve vet dungeons.. with a 2 hander/bow buildEdited by old_mufasa on June 24, 2017 5:27AM2 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭the op wrote:hi im going to obnoxiously 'enforce the meta' while simultaneously not even knowing the current meta
2h is really good at aoe, it has an aoe dot, all light and heavy attack weaves will do aoe damage, and reverse slice weaving light attacks is a good spammable for trash fights, reverse slice is more like a much cheaper but less damaging steel tornado, not a traditional execute.
The place 2h falls short is no cloak. If boss fight survivibility is not an issue 2h is probably better than DW since it just kind of passively clears trash and adds as it goes with out even having to think about it, and in boss fights with more than one boss reverse slice just obliterates.
Brawler plus rally gives two hander way more survivability then just balde cloak.3 -
wolfie1.0.✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Tip - if you want to be a 2H pve build only way to go is stamplar. Period.
One of the reasons is because stamplars have a spam aoe abiity that does good damage.
The reason why 2H sucks in pve is not because single target damage i believe they are ok there . But what are you gonna do when you walk into a trash/mobs fight?
Rally? Crit rush? Executioner? Wrecking blow?
Assuming you have bow on back bar which you should this would he a good rotation to go in with.
Cal trops - endless hail on back bar.
Then switch to dw and apply deadly cloak rearming trap and steel tornado for the aoe spam unless you are stamplar you can replace that with jabs i guess.
On a 2h you would do the cal trops endless hail then once you switch to 2h theres no good aoes.
im sure a 2h can do good dps on single target although still not good as dw so why do people use 2h in pve?
2h is great in pvp best imo but thats where it should stay.
The heavy splash damage from 2h just isnt enough no matter what you are packing lol.
Point of all this is to encourage people to drop the 2h in pve.
Play how you want no problem
just remember others can play how they want to and if they dont like your dps BUH BYE LOL
Dont argue with me please these are just #Facts Zos doesnt want us playing 2h in pve
So who DO you group with? You do realize that you dont have to PUG. Because you know what really annoys me? being dropped by a group because they dont like my build, even before its been proven to be good. You know whats more important than the skills you use to pull off high dps? 1) a good sense of timing 2) a fast rotation and 3) a stable internet connection. Because without those it dont matter WHAT your build, class, race combo is.
Also, keep in mind that this, ESO, is JUST A GAME. If it is more than just a game than i think it might be time for a bit of a break. So relax, please. its posts like this that encourage ZOS that all classes need to be the same..3 -
Ihatenightblades✭✭✭✭✭
✭old_mufasa wrote: »Op is full of horse manure....
Stam Wardens perform fine and I out dps most magic users in pve vet dungeons.. with a 2 hander/bow build
Sure u do lol0 -
GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Topic needs to be Locked.
The point has hit home and people just bash/Lv up their forum skillz.Edited by GeorgeBlack on June 24, 2017 5:44AM1 -
Ihatenightblades✭✭✭✭✭
✭I see a lot of salty 2h users who claim to do good dps
And if u can read i still havnt touched the original post at all it says sure 2h can do good single target damage.
Problem is aoe
And a lot of people probably are listening and are happy a elitist like myself can give facts without Sugar coating it
You're welcome Edited by Ihatenightblades on June 24, 2017 5:49AM0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »the op wrote:hi im going to obnoxiously 'enforce the meta' while simultaneously not even knowing the current meta
2h is really good at aoe, it has an aoe dot, all light and heavy attack weaves will do aoe damage, and reverse slice weaving light attacks is a good spammable for trash fights, reverse slice is more like a much cheaper but less damaging steel tornado, not a traditional execute.
The place 2h falls short is no cloak. If boss fight survivibility is not an issue 2h is probably better than DW since it just kind of passively clears trash and adds as it goes with out even having to think about it, and in boss fights with more than one boss reverse slice just obliterates.
Brawler plus rally gives two hander way more survivability then just balde cloak.
Yeah, this has always kinda been the way. Two Handers give you far more survivability, at the cost of some damage. It's a spectrum. DW is your highest damage, lowest survivability, Sword and Board is your most survivable, 2h is a balance between the two.1 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »I see a lot of salty 2h users who claim to do good dps
And if u can read i still havnt touched the original post at all it says sure 2h can do good single target damage.
Problem is aoe
And a lot of people probably are listening and are happy a elitist like myself can give facts without Sugar coating it
You're welcome
Aoe is no problem, brawler plus reverse slice plus light attacks is gravy. That is just using the weapon skill, without getting into the many in class ways that aoe can be done.6 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AoE capability of 2H builds is just insane. Frankly it's single target I struggle with on my 2H characters, if anything.
I have seen splashing light attack crits for up to 19k, and Reverse Slices of around 30k ... trash mobs in vet dungeons just melt. You can even solo that content with 2H.
OP doesn't know what he's talking about or just out to create controversy.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
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Sarato✭✭✭You don't want people to argue with you but you post on the public forums. Perhaps rephrase your title and restructure your paragraphs to show you are presenting your opinion or one shared by a few people and the facts to support it (which you are in fact doing in some capacity)
That way it will be a thread which will help new people decide to not use 2 handed in vet dungeons swayed by your arguments!
In any case, yes most people use dual wield and bow dots to achieve a higher DPS in harder content
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Sinthrax✭✭✭✭BLAH! BLAH! I don't play with them either. Play how you won't not with me. To easy. Even better. If you don't like the fact I don't want you to use a 2hander. Then don't play with me. Show me...please.0 -
Integral1900✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well, with rally, the dk heavy attack buff and the crit boost fire ball as well. Can't remember the names as it's been ages since i changed the build and it's still my favourite. Then backed up by max damage, crit and penetration from every available source and my lady can pump out enough damage to chew her way through dam near anything. Done almost all the games contentb except VMoL as I'm not a masochist and I've never been kicked from a group
Two handed is by far my favourite weapon, I just look for the first mob to reach thirty percent and then watch those aoe execute numbers go through the celing.1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »I see a lot of salty 2h users who claim to do good dps
And if u can read i still havnt touched the original post at all it says sure 2h can do good single target damage.
Problem is aoe
And a lot of people probably are listening and are happy a elitist like myself can give facts without Sugar coating it
You're welcome
@Ihatenightblades
Below is a video of a 2H build in one of the most challenging PvE fights in the game.
Stam Sorc 2H Rakkhat HM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBlhToqm3aA
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