Kicking a 2h user in vet dungeon

theamazingx

@Ihatenightblades

Morrowind made 2h more than viable, not any other way to put it. A 2h stamsorc is one of the strongest dps outputs in the game right now, and honestly a singletarget rotation with heavy splash damage beats a guy spamming tornado until he goes dry any day. DW is still preferred in most vet trials because of blade cloak, but in a dungeon it's not an issue. Now, it's quite possible that the person you grouped with was actually bad, but it wasn't because of the weapon they chose. Don't start spouting judgement with the meta as your metric if you're a month behind on general theorycrafting.

theamazingx

F7sus4 wrote: »

Unless they die like puppets and run their mouths I don't vote to kick those guys. But whenever I see 2h "DPSer" guy in a dungeon I also instantly see his face like this:

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Ihatenightblades
Below is a video of a 2H build in one of the most challenging PvE fights in the game.
Stam Sorc 2H Rakkhat HM

Nice! Now rebuild it to DW/bow to perform even better.

With the 2h buffs and the inability to sustain a maelstrom rotation, that just isn't the case anymore.

Actual theorycrafters see a similar face whenever someone talks about what's best without knowing why :^)

Magıc

Meanwhile 2H pulls the most ST right now

Cloudless

SirAndy wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Dont argue with me please these are just #Facts

^

OrphanHelgen

You don't need aoe other then hail and caltrops. The groups I'm doing the dungeons with, are melting adds, and we have no aoe. If adds are good enough stacked and you are good enough geared, you dont need steel tornado. I simply just focus the largest hp mob in the pack ST, and by the time that one is dead, other mobs around it are dead as well.

The reason 2H is not for pve, is becasue cloak is strong for survival in trials, and DW gives higher crit, free execute and another enchant / set piece bonus.

Krayzie

My stamblade uses endless hail, caltrops, and brawler for the huge aoe and damage shield....

Magdalina

SquareSausage wrote: »

The thing is though guys, yous are bashing on about 'my 2h dps guy does x amount of dps and im awesome, bla bla bla'.

Well, in random dungeons or pledge dungeons the 2h guy is most defionately gonna be some noob geavy attacking and wrecking blowing single target with no bow on back bar.

And you think the DW noob heavy attacking is somehow significantly better because...?

Doctordarkspawn

This is what happens when you pidgeonhole and give people choices that are not 'choices'.

People have a higher chance of refusing anything that is not meta so violently that things like this happen. Logical conclusion of ZOS's difficulty increases, and choice-less design.

Even if the lack of choice is just in peoples heads. They've been trained to do this and will continue to.

paulsimonps

Seeing how the thread is, guys, just put on your gas masks and leave. This guy is a toxic as can get, no changing this elitists mind.

Gigglez

adeptusminor wrote: »

I'm really not a fan of kicking people, even in vet dungeons. I will give a group about ~10 wipes or so on a single boss before I give up, depending on if a person is listening when the mechanics are explained. I was lucky to get in some really good, patient groups early on when I was doing vet dungeons who took their time to explain things to me, and didn't immediately drop or kick if some mistakes were made, and I appreciate that because it made me a better player overall. I like to think I'm returning the favor

HELP
Exactly this. Everyone starts somewhere and if u r pug'n then u should expect to have the likely possibility of having to HELP others by sharing ur experience.
.....now if they won't listen and don't communicate, well that's the reason the option to kick is there.

And sometimes out of boredom I'll put on "wrong" skills or different weapons and go thru a dungeon.
Knowing the mechanics is way more important that what weapon u use, IMHO.

hmsdragonfly

F7sus4 wrote: »

Unless they die like puppets and run their mouths I don't vote to kick those guys. But whenever I see 2h "DPSer" guy in a dungeon I also instantly see his face like this:

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Ihatenightblades
Below is a video of a 2H build in one of the most challenging PvE fights in the game.
Stam Sorc 2H Rakkhat HM

Nice! Now rebuild it to DW/bow to perform even better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zRFf0gmz-I

"Is it viable? Yes. Is it the best? Probably not but not far behind!" - Alcast.

Is 2k more DPS worth it if someone finds Two Handed more fun to play? Alcast doesn't think it's worth it. You think it's worth it? It's like ... your opinion, bruh.

Sakiri

WalksonGraves wrote: »

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Noted. I will keep my tanks and healers out of Vet dungeons from now on, have a nice day.

If you tank or heal with a 2h melee pugs are better off without you.

I tank with a 2h on my back bar just fine, thanks.

I don't pug anyways. Attitudes like yours are why.

starkerealm

Magdalina wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

The thing is though guys, yous are bashing on about 'my 2h dps guy does x amount of dps and im awesome, bla bla bla'.

Well, in random dungeons or pledge dungeons the 2h guy is most defionately gonna be some noob geavy attacking and wrecking blowing single target with no bow on back bar.

And you think the DW noob heavy attacking is somehow significantly better because...?

Because some Youtuber told them it was better, and, even though they don't understand the math involved, they're pretty sure a guy living in his parent's basement spending half his time whining about McDonnalds must have secret insights into how ESO functions.

goldenarcher1

F7sus4 wrote: »

Unless they die like puppets and run their mouths I don't vote to kick those guys. But whenever I see 2h "DPSer" guy in a dungeon I also instantly see his face like this:

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Ihatenightblades
Below is a video of a 2H build in one of the most challenging PvE fights in the game.
Stam Sorc 2H Rakkhat HM

Nice! Now rebuild it to DW/bow to perform even better.

Whenever i see an apparently "leet" DPSer posting on these forums,i also instantly see his face like this:

STEVIL

HEXENWOLF wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

I see a lot of salty 2h users who claim to do good dps

And if u can read i still havnt touched the original post at all it says sure 2h can do good single target damage.

Problem is aoe

And a lot of people probably are listening and are happy a elitist like myself can give facts without Sugar coating it

You're welcome

I don't tend to take advice from people who can barely spell or use proper punctuation. While spelling and grammar isn't everything, it says a great deal about how much a person cares about presentation. For example, I have no idea who you are and you seem to think a good first impression is to come into a forum and create a thread insulting a segment of the playerbase while using poor grammar, spelling, and punctuation. If teachers spoke to students like this, do you think children would learn anything from them?

While spelling and grammar isn't aren't everything, it says a great deal about how much a person cares about presentation.

or

While presentation (spelling and grammar) isn't everything...

You're Welcome.

:-)

notimetocare

Only reason I see people kicked is sucking. 2h doesnt make you bad,but you were probably slowing the group and they could tell

idk

DPShiro wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

Alcast's own parse.

@Ihatenightblades You tell me when you get those numbers of Manti.

'k, see ya next time.

This^

OP has no clue whatsoever

That was determined early in this thread.

old_mufasa

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

@OP, I run a DW build and I wouldn't group with you anyway. I don't like your attitude. Keep trying to be the big man on the forums by telling everyone how they should be doing their build. The rest of us will be playing and having fun.

Im not here to find group members buddy im here to help people with dps who may not know they arent contributing much in the aoe department.

Who the hell cares about AOE.. wtf.. your talking about trash mobs... Single target dps kills boss's... funny part you seem to think 2 handers can't AOE.. when in fact they are the strongest melee AOE.... Brawler + reverse slice+ endless hail and procs of forceful from light and heavy attack are all you would need and that's not including skills AOE skills like subterranean assault that hit all targets in a 7x20 meter aoe for near 30k and gives major fracture and breach...

Other class's have similar AOE class mechanics supporting the base attacks for AOE.. even though single target is the main damage you should be looking at not AOE.. The fact your even arguing AOE damage shows you know squat when it comes to tracking dps or what end game dps is all about.

techprince

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

I see a lot of salty 2h users who claim to do good dps

And if u can read i still havnt touched the original post at all it says sure 2h can do good single target damage.

Problem is aoe

And a lot of people probably are listening and are happy a elitist like myself can give facts without Sugar coating it

You're welcome

This guy is a f troll.

Bouldercleave

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Tip - if you want to be a 2H pve build only way to go is stamplar. Period.

One of the reasons is because stamplars have a spam aoe abiity that does good damage.

The reason why 2H sucks in pve is not because single target damage i believe they are ok there . But what are you gonna do when you walk into a trash/mobs fight?

Rally? Crit rush? Executioner? Wrecking blow?

Assuming you have bow on back bar which you should this would he a good rotation to go in with.

Cal trops - endless hail on back bar.

Then switch to dw and apply deadly cloak rearming trap and steel tornado for the aoe spam unless you are stamplar you can replace that with jabs i guess.

On a 2h you would do the cal trops endless hail then once you switch to 2h theres no good aoes.

im sure a 2h can do good dps on single target although still not good as dw so why do people use 2h in pve?

2h is great in pvp best imo but thats where it should stay.

The heavy splash damage from 2h just isnt enough no matter what you are packing lol.

Point of all this is to encourage people to drop the 2h in pve.

Play how you want no problem

just remember others can play how they want to and if they dont like your dps BUH BYE LOL

Dont argue with me please these are just #Facts Zos doesnt want us playing 2h in pve

So what you are REALLY saying is that you can't complete a vet dungeon unless you have the perfect group. Your statements reek of elitism, but in reality your words show nothing more than your weakness.

me_ming

techprince wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

I see a lot of salty 2h users who claim to do good dps

And if u can read i still havnt touched the original post at all it says sure 2h can do good single target damage.

Problem is aoe

And a lot of people probably are listening and are happy a elitist like myself can give facts without Sugar coating it

You're welcome

This guy is a f troll.

he is a troll. don't even know why he calls himself an "elitist", he is a snob and an ignorant. lol

Tremors

Lol I've been running 2h on my stamplar so I can reverse slice everything. I don't think I'm holding anyone back in vet dungeons.

Roovin

Kicking anyone without seeing how they fare/good they are is incredibly dumb

Roovin

Kneighbors wrote: »

When I see 2h player in vet dungeon I normally quit. The only thing that can hold me is a proper magsorc 630cp build as second dd in the group to compensate the 0 dps 2h guy.

Lol

zaria

Gigglez wrote: »

adeptusminor wrote: »

I'm really not a fan of kicking people, even in vet dungeons. I will give a group about ~10 wipes or so on a single boss before I give up, depending on if a person is listening when the mechanics are explained. I was lucky to get in some really good, patient groups early on when I was doing vet dungeons who took their time to explain things to me, and didn't immediately drop or kick if some mistakes were made, and I appreciate that because it made me a better player overall. I like to think I'm returning the favor

HELP
Exactly this. Everyone starts somewhere and if u r pug'n then u should expect to have the likely possibility of having to HELP others by sharing ur experience.
.....now if they won't listen and don't communicate, well that's the reason the option to kick is there.

And sometimes out of boredom I'll put on "wrong" skills or different weapons and go thru a dungeon.
Knowing the mechanics is way more important that what weapon u use, IMHO.

This, if ESO ever get the dungeon finder working I would like the one kick only limit from WOW.
Perhaps a bit more leeway because of all the fake tanks / healers.
And the I have never healed / tanked before is not an answer in vet dungeons.

StormWylf

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Tip - if you want to be a 2H pve build only way to go is stamplar. Period.

One of the reasons is because stamplars have a spam aoe abiity that does good damage.

The reason why 2H sucks in pve is not because single target damage i believe they are ok there . But what are you gonna do when you walk into a trash/mobs fight?

Rally? Crit rush? Executioner? Wrecking blow?

Assuming you have bow on back bar which you should this would he a good rotation to go in with.

Cal trops - endless hail on back bar.

Then switch to dw and apply deadly cloak rearming trap and steel tornado for the aoe spam unless you are stamplar you can replace that with jabs i guess.

On a 2h you would do the cal trops endless hail then once you switch to 2h theres no good aoes.

im sure a 2h can do good dps on single target although still not good as dw so why do people use 2h in pve?

2h is great in pvp best imo but thats where it should stay.

The heavy splash damage from 2h just isnt enough no matter what you are packing lol.

Point of all this is to encourage people to drop the 2h in pve.

Play how you want no problem

just remember others can play how they want to and if they dont like your dps BUH BYE LOL

Dont argue with me please these are just #Facts Zos doesnt want us playing 2h in pve

So what you are REALLY saying is that you can't complete a vet dungeon unless you have the perfect group. Your statements reek of elitism, but in reality your words show nothing more than your weakness.

Well said!

Cadbury

That's why you only run with magsorcs.

Trashkan

Have you ever heard of Brawler it does great aoe damage and heals you I don't know why you would kick someone using a 2h I mean you were the one without friends on so you get what you get. Don't kick someone because they are trying a new build. All the dungeons are pretty easy (but the 2 newest ones) and still are do able with a lot of builds.

Cadbury

Trashkan wrote: »

Have you ever heard of Brawler it does great aoe damage and heals you I don't know why you would kick someone using a 2h I mean you were the one without friends on so you get what you get. Don't kick someone because they are trying a new build. All the dungeons are pretty easy (but the 2 newest ones) and still are do able with a lot of builds.

Brawler doesn't heal you...

Tryxus

Cadbury wrote: »

Trashkan wrote: »

Have you ever heard of Brawler it does great aoe damage and heals you I don't know why you would kick someone using a 2h I mean you were the one without friends on so you get what you get. Don't kick someone because they are trying a new build. All the dungeons are pretty easy (but the 2 newest ones) and still are do able with a lot of builds.

Brawler doesn't heal you...