Kicking a 2h user in vet dungeon

Nyghthowler

@OP, I run a DW build and I wouldn't group with you anyway. I don't like your attitude. Keep trying to be the big man on the forums by telling everyone how they should be doing their build. The rest of us will be playing and having fun.

NightbladeMechanics

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

One competent DPS is all you need to clear most vet dungeons. There are some pledge days where I'm pulling 70-80% of team DPS and we still clear the dungeon with ease. You aren't failing because of the player using a 2H weapon. You're failing because you suck.

And you can deal decent DPS with a 2H weapon. It isn't BiS, but it doesn't need to be.

Vet DLC dungeons are a different story and can't be carried. But you shouldn't be PUGing those anyway.

They can be carried if you're savage enough. You gotta tank, heal, and dps that mess.

HEXENWOLF

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

I see a lot of salty 2h users who claim to do good dps

And if u can read i still havnt touched the original post at all it says sure 2h can do good single target damage.

Problem is aoe

And a lot of people probably are listening and are happy a elitist like myself can give facts without Sugar coating it

You're welcome

I don't tend to take advice from people who can barely spell or use proper punctuation. While spelling and grammar isn't everything, it says a great deal about how much a person cares about presentation. For example, I have no idea who you are and you seem to think a good first impression is to come into a forum and create a thread insulting a segment of the playerbase while using poor grammar, spelling, and punctuation. If teachers spoke to students like this, do you think children would learn anything from them?

idk

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

One competent DPS is all you need to clear most vet dungeons. There are some pledge days where I'm pulling 70-80% of team DPS and we still clear the dungeon with ease. You aren't failing because of the player using a 2H weapon. You're failing because you suck.

And you can deal decent DPS with a 2H weapon. It isn't BiS, but it doesn't need to be.

Vet DLC dungeons are a different story and can't be carried. But you shouldn't be PUGing those anyway.

They can be carried if you're savage enough. You gotta tank, heal, and dps that mess.

@MLGProPlayer statement is absolutely correct.

Heck, less than 3 months ago I even tanked (not real dps from me) a random vet dungeon where the healer dropped immediately because we would not vote kick a dps that was CP 130, the other dps was in the CP 500s.

We went on to 3 man the vet dungeon with the CP 500 dps doing some healing and we did not have an issue. I think we had one death on the last boss due to the one DPS not being familiar with the mechanics.

Bobby_V_Rockit

I like my 2h greatsword though... screw you hippy!

starkerealm

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

I see a lot of salty 2h users who claim to do good dps

And if u can read i still havnt touched the original post at all it says sure 2h can do good single target damage.

Problem is aoe

And a lot of people probably are listening and are happy a elitist like myself can give facts without Sugar coating it

You're welcome

At this point, I feel, it's important for you to understand one simple thing, @Ihatenightblades; "elitist" is a pejorative. An elitest is not a master of the game, and all its systems. That is one of the "elite." No, an "elitist" is someone who wants you to believe they're an elite, but is in fact not. Towards that end, they will engage in stupid, often self-destructive, behavior. Often with an eye towards hiding their own incompetence.

For example, kicking potential members from their group because they violate some externally defined doctrine that the elitist believes is crucial to success, but is, in fact, simply the opinion of an elite that has been repeated, and unintelligently blathered at any who would listen. The elitist believes this is important, when in fact, it's not. And, in many cases, the opinion is unsupported by the actual game mechanics, or reflects an earlier iteration of the game.

Ihatenightblades

starkerealm wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

I see a lot of salty 2h users who claim to do good dps

And if u can read i still havnt touched the original post at all it says sure 2h can do good single target damage.

Problem is aoe

And a lot of people probably are listening and are happy a elitist like myself can give facts without Sugar coating it

You're welcome

At this point, I feel, it's important for you to understand one simple thing, @Ihatenightblades; "elitist" is a pejorative. An elitest is not a master of the game, and all its systems. That is one of the "elite." No, an "elitist" is someone who wants you to believe they're an elite, but is in fact not. Towards that end, they will engage in stupid, often self-destructive, behavior. Often with an eye towards hiding their own incompetence.

For example, kicking potential members from their group because they violate some externally defined doctrine that the elitist believes is crucial to success, but is, in fact, simply the opinion of an elite that has been repeated, and unintelligently blathered at any who would listen. The elitist believes this is important, when in fact, it's not. And, in many cases, the opinion is unsupported by the actual game mechanics, or reflects an earlier iteration of the game.

My man you are thinking too much

starkerealm

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

I see a lot of salty 2h users who claim to do good dps

And if u can read i still havnt touched the original post at all it says sure 2h can do good single target damage.

Problem is aoe

And a lot of people probably are listening and are happy a elitist like myself can give facts without Sugar coating it

You're welcome

At this point, I feel, it's important for you to understand one simple thing, @Ihatenightblades; "elitist" is a pejorative. An elitest is not a master of the game, and all its systems. That is one of the "elite." No, an "elitist" is someone who wants you to believe they're an elite, but is in fact not. Towards that end, they will engage in stupid, often self-destructive, behavior. Often with an eye towards hiding their own incompetence.

For example, kicking potential members from their group because they violate some externally defined doctrine that the elitist believes is crucial to success, but is, in fact, simply the opinion of an elite that has been repeated, and unintelligently blathered at any who would listen. The elitist believes this is important, when in fact, it's not. And, in many cases, the opinion is unsupported by the actual game mechanics, or reflects an earlier iteration of the game.

My man you are thinking too much

Perhaps, but I'm not wrong.

Ihatenightblades

Nyghthowler wrote: »

@OP, I run a DW build and I wouldn't group with you anyway. I don't like your attitude. Keep trying to be the big man on the forums by telling everyone how they should be doing their build. The rest of us will be playing and having fun.

Im not here to find group members buddy im here to help people with dps who may not know they arent contributing much in the aoe department.

idk

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

@OP, I run a DW build and I wouldn't group with you anyway. I don't like your attitude. Keep trying to be the big man on the forums by telling everyone how they should be doing their build. The rest of us will be playing and having fun.

Im not here to find group members buddy im here to help people with dps who may not know they arent contributing much in the aoe department.

You are here to merely express your opinion. Really nothing more. As I have pointed out, and even posted a video, there are solid 2H based DPS builds out there and players that play to the top of the game with a 2H which proves your opinion is not correct.

Ahzek

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

@OP, I run a DW build and I wouldn't group with you anyway. I don't like your attitude. Keep trying to be the big man on the forums by telling everyone how they should be doing their build. The rest of us will be playing and having fun.

Im not here to find group members buddy im here to help people with dps who may not know they arent contributing much in the aoe department.

You are here to pretend you are a good player, but instead have just embarassed yourself on a level of both your knowledge of the game and with your personal behavior.

Bringer

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Brawler plus rally gives two hander way more survivability then just balde cloak.

In trash fights brawler makes survival trivial, but in single boss fights the damage shield you get from brawler is nowhere near as powerful as blade cloak.

I really cant see wasting a slot on rally for trials

Ihatenightblades

Ahzek wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

@OP, I run a DW build and I wouldn't group with you anyway. I don't like your attitude. Keep trying to be the big man on the forums by telling everyone how they should be doing their build. The rest of us will be playing and having fun.

Im not here to find group members buddy im here to help people with dps who may not know they arent contributing much in the aoe department.

You are here to pretend you are a good player, but instead have just embarassed yourself on a level of both your knowledge of the game and with your personal behavior.

Its ok your 2h loves you

kongkim

If you don't like don't play pugs.
*** elites..

Ahzek

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

@OP, I run a DW build and I wouldn't group with you anyway. I don't like your attitude. Keep trying to be the big man on the forums by telling everyone how they should be doing their build. The rest of us will be playing and having fun.

Im not here to find group members buddy im here to help people with dps who may not know they arent contributing much in the aoe department.

You are here to pretend you are a good player, but instead have just embarassed yourself on a level of both your knowledge of the game and with your personal behavior.

Its ok your 2h loves you

It does, but I only use it for PvP, cause thats where dizzying swing actually works.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Bringer wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Brawler plus rally gives two hander way more survivability then just balde cloak.

In trash fights brawler makes survival trivial, but in single boss fights the damage shield you get from brawler is nowhere near as powerful as blade cloak.

I really cant see wasting a slot on rally for trials

What else would you slot? I am actually interested, as the only class I actually run a two hander on is my stam sorc and I use crit surge anyways so rally is redundant.

Teridaxus

Well im the tank, they don't dare to kick me until they want to wait a half hour for a new and brawler takes a lot of pressure away from the healer.
(Of course i run sword/shield on the other bar)

Bringer

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

stam sorc

My 2h front bar for stam sorc is; Brawler, bound armaments, wrecking blow, reverse slice, hurricane.

Asmael

Alcast's own parse.

@Ihatenightblades You tell me when you get those numbers of Manti.

'k, see ya next time.

Moncho11

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Tip - if you want to be a 2H pve build only way to go is stamplar. Period.

One of the reasons is because stamplars have a spam aoe abiity that does good damage.

The reason why 2H sucks in pve is not because single target damage i believe they are ok there . But what are you gonna do when you walk into a trash/mobs fight?

Rally? Crit rush? Executioner? Wrecking blow?

Assuming you have bow on back bar which you should this would he a good rotation to go in with.

Cal trops - endless hail on back bar.

Then switch to dw and apply deadly cloak rearming trap and steel tornado for the aoe spam unless you are stamplar you can replace that with jabs i guess.

On a 2h you would do the cal trops endless hail then once you switch to 2h theres no good aoes.

im sure a 2h can do good dps on single target although still not good as dw so why do people use 2h in pve?

2h is great in pvp best imo but thats where it should stay.

The heavy splash damage from 2h just isnt enough no matter what you are packing lol.

Point of all this is to encourage people to drop the 2h in pve.

Play how you want no problem

just remember others can play how they want to and if they dont like your dps BUH BYE LOL

Dont argue with me please these are just #Facts Zos doesnt want us playing 2h in pve

You obviously have no idea how to play a 2 hander so why make this post. Because you saw someone else say 2 handed sucks. Plus lots stam characters might be trying 2 hander with changes to AoE dmg. Finally DW is broken on consoles that is why I currently use 2hander on my front bar.

LukosCreyden

May as well lock/ignore this thread. OP is clearly a troll or is completely lacking in knowledge and unwilling to learn. Move on folks, nothing more to see here!

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Bringer wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

stam sorc

My 2h front bar for stam sorc is; Brawler, bound armaments, wrecking blow, reverse slice, hurricane.

Why is hurricane on the front bar? I have trap there, you get 3% weapon damage instead of only 2% from the sorc passive. With flawless dawnbreaker. Otherwise, mine is the same.

I run crit surge, BA, hurricane, endless, and PI on my back bar, I use overload for the third bar for dark deal and I actually have circle of protection there too, nice damage reduction for you and your fellow Stam dps, if there is one.

But the question i was posing was really towards other classes, I mean, on stamplars you have to run rally anyways for major brutality, if you don't run pots, as I don't. Nbs have power extraction but really easy to justify the dropping of that for the healing you get from rally. Dks do have molten armorments that they ought to be running anyways, so they are really the only class I have a hard time seeing not running rally because of the two class dots they need their bars. I dont know enough about wardens to comment on them, my stamden is still a baby.

DPShiro

Asmael wrote: »

Alcast's own parse.

@Ihatenightblades You tell me when you get those numbers of Manti.

'k, see ya next time.

This^

OP has no clue whatsoever

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

DPShiro wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

Alcast's own parse.

@Ihatenightblades You tell me when you get those numbers of Manti.

'k, see ya next time.

This^

OP has no clue whatsoever

Jesus, 47k dps and still only 13% of the DPS. So many times I have joined a pug of only nSO and got around 30K DPS and was like 25% of the dps. That guy must have had a superb group.

Lieblingsjunge

Pls. I do vet dungeons with my Stamina nightblade. 2h + bow, Eternal Hunt/Spriggan/Selene. Exact same as my PvP-setup(Except Volley).

It ain't optimal, far from. But it saves me skill points of having 2 skill lines, I get undaunted and I still manage 16-18k DPS single-target. Not completely useless, yo!

Izaki

2H DPS is viable on every single class and puts out insane AoE/Cleave damage. Heavy Attacks hit for 40k+ AoE damage in trials and you can pair that with Reverse Slice. Then obviously you have the Bow bar with Hail and Caltrops.

Someone saying that 2H sucks for PvE DPS, clearly hasn't tried it

Izaki

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

What about a StamBlade with 2h and Power Extraction?

So this, mobs get destroyed with ease.

Power Extraction until 45% health, then Reverse Slice. More damage than Steel Tornado spam by far.

Bobby_V_Rockit

What champion points do you guys put in the blue tree for it? I'm struggling with that part a lot.

rootimus

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Tip - if you want to be a 2H pve build only way to go is stamplar. Period.[snip]

TI;CR (Too incoherent; couldn't read)

Personally, I've never had any complaints about my 2-handed nightblade in vet dungeons, nor in trials. YMMV

F7sus4

Unless they die like puppets and run their mouths I don't vote to kick those guys. But whenever I see 2h "DPSer" guy in a dungeon I also instantly see his face like this:

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Ihatenightblades
Below is a video of a 2H build in one of the most challenging PvE fights in the game.
Stam Sorc 2H Rakkhat HM

Nice! Now rebuild it to DW/bow to perform even better.