@NightbladeMechanics:
The Merciless change makes combos feel sluggish. I really feel it. I hate it. I have been enjoying firing two or three procs off, but I find that in order to get multiple, I have to rush them, inhibiting my ability to deliberately combo with them. Rusing wills may make for a nice dps parse, but it doesn't kill players. So in general I'm still holding each proc for a good opportunity to combo and refreshing after. We'll see how I adjut chained procs into my play style as I become more accustomed to it.
When I first read about Grim Focus.. I saw this coming from miles away. Any Magblade would hold on to their bow vs shoot as many bows as possible.
The only way I see chain combo ing the spectral bow in 1VX is when you pop an immove pot right before your first spectral bow is ready. This means you have roughly 15 seconds on you grim focus to work on the next bow proc and 15 seconds of knock back immunity. best cast you may be able to shoot another 2 spectral bows. Talk about feeling rushed ... Jeez
I would love to hear and learn other mechanics to take full advantage of the new Grim focus.
@NightbladeMechanics:
The Merciless change makes combos feel sluggish. I really feel it. I hate it. I have been enjoying firing two or three procs off, but I find that in order to get multiple, I have to rush them, inhibiting my ability to deliberately combo with them. Rusing wills may make for a nice dps parse, but it doesn't kill players. So in general I'm still holding each proc for a good opportunity to combo and refreshing after. We'll see how I adjut chained procs into my play style as I become more accustomed to it.
When I first read about Grim Focus.. I saw this coming from miles away. Any Magblade would hold on to their bow vs shoot as many bows as possible.
The only way I see chain combo ing the spectral bow in 1VX is when you pop an immove pot right before your first spectral bow is ready. This means you have roughly 15 seconds on you grim focus to work on the next bow proc and 15 seconds of knock back immunity. best cast you may be able to shoot another 2 spectral bows. Talk about feeling rushed ... Jeez
I would love to hear and learn other mechanics to take full advantage of the new Grim focus.
All I can contribute is that resto medium attacks are undodgeable, weaving on your resto bar is mandatory
@NightbladeMechanics:
The Merciless change makes combos feel sluggish. I really feel it. I hate it. I have been enjoying firing two or three procs off, but I find that in order to get multiple, I have to rush them, inhibiting my ability to deliberately combo with them. Rusing wills may make for a nice dps parse, but it doesn't kill players. So in general I'm still holding each proc for a good opportunity to combo and refreshing after. We'll see how I adjut chained procs into my play style as I become more accustomed to it.
When I first read about Grim Focus.. I saw this coming from miles away. Any Magblade would hold on to their bow vs shoot as many bows as possible.
The only way I see chain combo ing the spectral bow in 1VX is when you pop an immove pot right before your first spectral bow is ready. This means you have roughly 15 seconds on you grim focus to work on the next bow proc and 15 seconds of knock back immunity. best cast you may be able to shoot another 2 spectral bows. Talk about feeling rushed ... Jeez
I would love to hear and learn other mechanics to take full advantage of the new Grim focus.
All I can contribute is that resto medium attacks are undodgeable, weaving on your resto bar is mandatory
@NightbladeMechanics:
The Merciless change makes combos feel sluggish. I really feel it. I hate it. I have been enjoying firing two or three procs off, but I find that in order to get multiple, I have to rush them, inhibiting my ability to deliberately combo with them. Rusing wills may make for a nice dps parse, but it doesn't kill players. So in general I'm still holding each proc for a good opportunity to combo and refreshing after. We'll see how I adjut chained procs into my play style as I become more accustomed to it.
When I first read about Grim Focus.. I saw this coming from miles away. Any Magblade would hold on to their bow vs shoot as many bows as possible.
The only way I see chain combo ing the spectral bow in 1VX is when you pop an immove pot right before your first spectral bow is ready. This means you have roughly 15 seconds on you grim focus to work on the next bow proc and 15 seconds of knock back immunity. best cast you may be able to shoot another 2 spectral bows. Talk about feeling rushed ... Jeez
I would love to hear and learn other mechanics to take full advantage of the new Grim focus.
All I can contribute is that resto medium attacks are undodgeable, weaving on your resto bar is mandatory
The problem isn't so much getting the attacks to connect, it's firing off 5 light attacks while also keeping up everything else you need to be doing in a heated battle. Weaving medium resto attacks just makes it even clunkier.
Waiting for your cp video!NightbladeMechanics wrote: »
you know what. i actually have a AMA type of request. rather then a question. In your upcoming videos.
1.
In Cyrodill when ever there is a 1v1 and sometimes 1v2 i find myself to be victorious. rarely i find myself able to 1vX even against total noobs.
I would love to see some videos from you explaining the principals of 1vX for magblades.
2.
Whenever i am in Cyrodill and i think i finally got my build down. i always run into that 1 player. The player that takes everything i learned from being a magblade and makes me question if i am doing anything right.
For example today morning i run in to a stamblade. whatever i did i could not burst him down. i even used poisons. imovable /detect pots. he had enough recovery to sustain the fight and constantly dodge my attacks. on top of that he had high amount of dmg.
Now this is the part where i would L2P. however when i swapped my build i definitely felt that i had to choose between dps vs regen.
This being said.. i would love to see more vidoes about nightblade mechanics ...
Brutusmax1mus wrote: »I'm not sure who you were fighting, but im pretty sure my healer would have done more damage to you in 20 seconds than you took the whole video.
thankyourat wrote: »To see you playing with only healing ward as your shield has made me more excited about this patch. It looks like damage is down all around. So I'm hoping this will open up more build diversity.
Kena, can you criticise my build, please?
I run 5 Lich/2 engine guardian/5 war-maiden, destro/resto. The mundus is atro, but i'm also thinking about shadow.
I have 2 skills setups i can't decide between, the first is:
1) merc resolve/concealed weapon/lotus fan/shadow disguise/sap essence/ soul harvest.
Back bar is: cripple/shadow/healing ward/dampen magicka/healing ward/fear/soul thether.
second is:
2) merc resolve/funnel health/lotus fan/impale/fear/soul harvest
back bar is: dark cloak/shadow/dampen magicka/healing ward/cripple/soul thether
I feel like first one has much better mobility, since no-one can catch you with CW + expedition + shade + cloak, if only they are not running mark. CW is also a hard hitting finisher, and the stun from stealth is nice, and I can run immov pots with it.
The second one provides much better heals, easier assassin's will procs with FH weaving, better ranged sustain dmg (also with FH), and easy fear in the middle of burst combo, + impale is always good to have. But, it's VERY slow, compared to first one, and requires tons of spell dmg pots.
Maybe the first skill set up can be modified with grothgar usage and DW somehow, but not sure if it will be very effective.
Also, I know you are not a fan of shield usage on magblade now, but i really can't drop them, since my ping is pretty high and I need some kind of preventively casted defence.
NightbladeMechanics wrote: »Kena, can you criticise my build, please?
I run 5 Lich/2 engine guardian/5 war-maiden, destro/resto. The mundus is atro, but i'm also thinking about shadow.
I have 2 skills setups i can't decide between, the first is:
1) merc resolve/concealed weapon/lotus fan/shadow disguise/sap essence/ soul harvest.
Back bar is: cripple/shadow/healing ward/dampen magicka/healing ward/fear/soul thether.
second is:
2) merc resolve/funnel health/lotus fan/impale/fear/soul harvest
back bar is: dark cloak/shadow/dampen magicka/healing ward/cripple/soul thether
I feel like first one has much better mobility, since no-one can catch you with CW + expedition + shade + cloak, if only they are not running mark. CW is also a hard hitting finisher, and the stun from stealth is nice, and I can run immov pots with it.
The second one provides much better heals, easier assassin's will procs with FH weaving, better ranged sustain dmg (also with FH), and easy fear in the middle of burst combo, + impale is always good to have. But, it's VERY slow, compared to first one, and requires tons of spell dmg pots.
Maybe the first skill set up can be modified with grothgar usage and DW somehow, but not sure if it will be very effective.
Also, I know you are not a fan of shield usage on magblade now, but i really can't drop them, since my ping is pretty high and I need some kind of preventively casted defence.
Lich + Engine + Atronach is excessive sustain. Curb some of that into damage or survivability via Valkyn, Malubeth, Shadow, Thief, etc.
Lotus fan is unnecessary on a destro build. Might as well be dual wield.
Just because you're using cloak does not mean you are obligated to use concealed with it. Pick one spammable -- funnel or concealed -- not both. Your bars are too competitive for that.
If you really like using cloak + concealed, then just use dual wield for the extra item slot or 2h/resto for the snare removal.
If you're going to use a destro staff, then use a destro ability for the 8% bonus single target damage passive. Ele Drain is a lot of damage and sustain, but it crowds out mark. Flame reach is an aggressive ranged cc for getting at sorcs and snipers, and it applies a dot for Valkyn.
Grothdarr is actually stronger this patch than it was last patch due to the CP changes. This is not to say it takes the place of Valkyn's burst, but it's a more competitive option. You see, Grothdarr counts as a dot, receiving damage amplification from Thaumaturge and mitigation from Thick Skinned. Even with 81 Master-at-Arms and 0 Thaum, my Grothdarr's total tooltip (the full 5 second proc) is higher than my Valkyn tooltip, AND people tend to put fewer points in Thick Skinned to mitigate Grothdarr than in Ironclad to mitigate Valkyn. This means that if you're able to keep the Grothdarr aoe on the enemy for its full duration, it will do much more damage than Valkyn will in CP. Grothdarr + lotus fan could be potent, but melee mageblade is still subpar compared to ranged. Like really subpar. I'm trying out Grothdarr on my ranged specs currently. Malubeth is my preferred defensive 2pc now.
Valkyn is still the way to go in non CP for damage imo.
Try this:
Destro bar:
flame reach, funnel, cloak, merciless, fear, incap
Resto bar:
cripple, shade, healing ward, harness, mark, resto ult
Use spell power pots, or replace mark or harness with entropy.
That isn't the end-all be-all "best bar setup ever" or anything. There is no such thing with mageblade because the class has suched nuanced play styles which you'll have to adapt for yourself. Those bars do give you the defense that you like (cloak and harness) with the damage and control that you need, though. Without a mitigation set like Riposte or Trans, you're going to need cloak and shade, but concealed leaves you lacking crucial other abilities and gaining only cloak speed, which isn't necessary with proper use of shade.
Basically, you have too much sustain and not enough damage, you need to keep cloak and shade to run that squishy, and your bar setup isn't focused. You are using some abilities which serve the same purpose (funnel + concealed) and some that serve no purpose (lotus), meaning you're lacking other key abilities for other purposes (destro damage passive). Refine your bars, and I think it'll make a world of difference in your play.
Let me know how the changes feel.
NightbladeMechanics wrote: »Kena, can you criticise my build, please?
I run 5 Lich/2 engine guardian/5 war-maiden, destro/resto. The mundus is atro, but i'm also thinking about shadow.
I have 2 skills setups i can't decide between, the first is:
1) merc resolve/concealed weapon/lotus fan/shadow disguise/sap essence/ soul harvest.
Back bar is: cripple/shadow/healing ward/dampen magicka/healing ward/fear/soul thether.
second is:
2) merc resolve/funnel health/lotus fan/impale/fear/soul harvest
back bar is: dark cloak/shadow/dampen magicka/healing ward/cripple/soul thether
I feel like first one has much better mobility, since no-one can catch you with CW + expedition + shade + cloak, if only they are not running mark. CW is also a hard hitting finisher, and the stun from stealth is nice, and I can run immov pots with it.
The second one provides much better heals, easier assassin's will procs with FH weaving, better ranged sustain dmg (also with FH), and easy fear in the middle of burst combo, + impale is always good to have. But, it's VERY slow, compared to first one, and requires tons of spell dmg pots.
Maybe the first skill set up can be modified with grothgar usage and DW somehow, but not sure if it will be very effective.
Also, I know you are not a fan of shield usage on magblade now, but i really can't drop them, since my ping is pretty high and I need some kind of preventively casted defence.
Lich + Engine + Atronach is excessive sustain. Curb some of that into damage or survivability via Valkyn, Malubeth, Shadow, Thief, etc.
Lotus fan is unnecessary on a destro build. Might as well be dual wield.
Just because you're using cloak does not mean you are obligated to use concealed with it. Pick one spammable -- funnel or concealed -- not both. Your bars are too competitive for that.
If you really like using cloak + concealed, then just use dual wield for the extra item slot or 2h/resto for the snare removal.
If you're going to use a destro staff, then use a destro ability for the 8% bonus single target damage passive. Ele Drain is a lot of damage and sustain, but it crowds out mark. Flame reach is an aggressive ranged cc for getting at sorcs and snipers, and it applies a dot for Valkyn.
Grothdarr is actually stronger this patch than it was last patch due to the CP changes. This is not to say it takes the place of Valkyn's burst, but it's a more competitive option. You see, Grothdarr counts as a dot, receiving damage amplification from Thaumaturge and mitigation from Thick Skinned. Even with 81 Master-at-Arms and 0 Thaum, my Grothdarr's total tooltip (the full 5 second proc) is higher than my Valkyn tooltip, AND people tend to put fewer points in Thick Skinned to mitigate Grothdarr than in Ironclad to mitigate Valkyn. This means that if you're able to keep the Grothdarr aoe on the enemy for its full duration, it will do much more damage than Valkyn will in CP. Grothdarr + lotus fan could be potent, but melee mageblade is still subpar compared to ranged. Like really subpar. I'm trying out Grothdarr on my ranged specs currently. Malubeth is my preferred defensive 2pc now.
Valkyn is still the way to go in non CP for damage imo.
Try this:
Destro bar:
flame reach, funnel, cloak, merciless, fear, incap
Resto bar:
cripple, shade, healing ward, harness, mark, resto ult
Use spell power pots, or replace mark or harness with entropy.
That isn't the end-all be-all "best bar setup ever" or anything. There is no such thing with mageblade because the class has suched nuanced play styles which you'll have to adapt for yourself. Those bars do give you the defense that you like (cloak and harness) with the damage and control that you need, though. Without a mitigation set like Riposte or Trans, you're going to need cloak and shade, but concealed leaves you lacking crucial other abilities and gaining only cloak speed, which isn't necessary with proper use of shade.
Basically, you have too much sustain and not enough damage, you need to keep cloak and shade to run that squishy, and your bar setup isn't focused. You are using some abilities which serve the same purpose (funnel + concealed) and some that serve no purpose (lotus), meaning you're lacking other key abilities for other purposes (destro damage passive). Refine your bars, and I think it'll make a world of difference in your play.
Let me know how the changes feel.
It's crazy how many people actually use 2 spammables right, I already have a hard enough time allocating the skills I want because magblades have so much choice.
And I also agree with the Grothdarr part you touched on, I figured I'd respond here so others can read. It's actually pretty easy to lotus fan in > proc Grothdarr > soul tether > sap essence and melt everyone. Works well in battlegrounds for me, when the other 2 teams are fighting each other it's great.
At the moment I'm using x5 spinners x5 Kagrenacs and x2 Grothdarr, I find I can just about sustain with witchmothers, atro and the 1 recovery bonus from kags. I may drop a spell damage glyph for a cost reduction just to ease the pressure sustain gives me. I'm also planning on getting War Maiden when the prices drop a bit, any recommendations for sets for a Melee Magblade? I don't like Necropotence though, I never have enough uptime with shades.
I'm back trying again, and it's really discouraging. Once again - oneshots even with full hp, frequently - during breaking CC animation etc. Like, it's impossible. Can't just selectively block. If someone simply spams dizzying swing - that's it. If I miss 1 - I die while getting up even if I had everything up. Swing - dawnbreaker - execute if I'm still alive. Getting caught anywhere = death too, spamming charges simply won't let me move. Again, having ward/hots on does nothing, still can't get anywhere to use los.
Tried tri-food instead. 20.9k hp, 32.2k magicka and 12.5k stamina. Didn't help much.
worsttankever wrote: »Tried tri-food instead. 20.9k hp, 32.2k magicka and 12.5k stamina. Didn't help much.
Just throwing this out there - maybe try a wholly different build. Nightblade has great synergy with heavy armor, especially with the right racial passives. Having close to 40k health gives you much more time to react. You can still have high damage by being smart with your jewelry enchants and options elsewhere (like Clever Alchemist proc). I'm working on a 7heavy nightblade build right now, but she'll be in non-vet pvp for a long while.
If your problem is constant cc's, maybe try Reactive Armor or Way of the Arena.
HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »42-0-3 in a domination last night with 1.1 mil damage using transmutation, wizard riposte and skoria.
Loving. This. Build.
Yes, I have everything. The only thing is I have 4% instead of 6% right now, don't have a Medium impen skoria piece yet. But that's 2% difference. As you can see, the real difference is way higher than 2%. The only explanation I see.... Should I go tri-glyphs? But then I'll have less magicka.Waffennacht wrote: »@artis you have undaunted passives? 6% can be a lot, say 30k in a pool means roughly 2k more. Food is correct? Passives?
@NightbladeMechanics:
The Merciless change makes combos feel sluggish. I really feel it. I hate it. I have been enjoying firing two or three procs off, but I find that in order to get multiple, I have to rush them, inhibiting my ability to deliberately combo with them. Rusing wills may make for a nice dps parse, but it doesn't kill players. So in general I'm still holding each proc for a good opportunity to combo and refreshing after. We'll see how I adjut chained procs into my play style as I become more accustomed to it.
When I first read about Grim Focus.. I saw this coming from miles away. Any Magblade would hold on to their bow vs shoot as many bows as possible.
The only way I see chain combo ing the spectral bow in 1VX is when you pop an immove pot right before your first spectral bow is ready. This means you have roughly 15 seconds on you grim focus to work on the next bow proc and 15 seconds of knock back immunity. best cast you may be able to shoot another 2 spectral bows. Talk about feeling rushed ... Jeez
I would love to hear and learn other mechanics to take full advantage of the new Grim focus.
All I can contribute is that resto medium attacks are undodgeable, weaving on your resto bar is mandatory
Well that's the thing, everyone agreed what the best sets for mNB are. And I've no idea how they are getting their stats with their sets. How do I get those stats? All gear is enchanted + food is up.
Now I tried heavy build ( used a heavy build before this update) and it just sucks. Low resources + wrath got nerfed ... the damage felt meh too.
HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »42-0-3 in a domination last night with 1.1 mil damage using transmutation, wizard riposte and skoria.
Loving. This. Build.
How? Who were you playing against? Weren't they touching you? Or is replacing WM with WR changes everything so much? Can't be. Or were you not solo?Yes, I have everything. The only thing is I have 4% instead of 6% right now, don't have a Medium impen skoria piece yet. But that's 2% difference. As you can see, the real difference is way higher than 2%. The only explanation I see.... Should I go tri-glyphs? But then I'll have less magicka.Waffennacht wrote: »@artis you have undaunted passives? 6% can be a lot, say 30k in a pool means roughly 2k more. Food is correct? Passives?
Food? Which one is correct? I tried witchmother's brew and purple food, the stats are in my question.
I really don't understand what I don't understand. It's like I'm missing something that's on the surface.