1 year later, characters created before Morrowind missing one skillpoint. No dev comment

Thrasher91604 · May 2017

PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »

Thrasher91604 wrote: »

Oh boo hoo. 1 point is insignificant. There are more important things for ZoS to do.

I beg to disagree. I do everything on 1 character with 314 skill points. I NEED the rest of my pvp skill points (13), the 8 from morrowind and this 1 point to finally have a few more options on my character for playing my style and access to every key (not all by any means) skills.

If you're alt happy then yes, you don't need this 1 skill point because you probably level through the main storyline and are fine to do the specific role, but for those of us who are not the skill point is important.

You are missing other sources for skill points. Read the link I provided. This missing skill point can be gotten other ways.

Now if you are just being OCD on getting something you really don't need, just for completionist's sake, then that should not be high on the devs list to solve.

Magdalina · May 2017

It's not game breaking by any means but it doesn't mean it needs no fix. There's zero reason for old characters to not have that skillpoint, it seems they even admitted as much.

Personally I have something over 300 skillpoints, missing like 25 PvP ones, no DB ones and still missing a handful of skyshards in DLC zones. And I'm currently out because crafting(that's on my main), class skills, heavy/some medium passives, destro/resto/s&b etc etc. Recently put 9 points back into hirelings for the new stories(loving them

) and am literally on 0 now and need just a handful more points for Legedermain, TG and a couple other skills. I'm working on Morrowind skyshards, I'll get there but this skillpoint would legit come in handy. I don't see why my character should be locked out of it just because she's been made before Morrowind.

Gamebreaking? No. Needs a fix? For sure. Plus I imagine it should be a lot easier to fix that elusive groupfinder bugs and stuff.

Meld777 · June 2017

Enodoc wrote: »

Meld777 wrote: »

aliyavana I get your point and agree with you. But let me shatter your completionist world for a moment. There are hundreds of lore books that are not available to new players/old players/different factions. Yet, they are part of Shalidor's Library and will always stay grayed out/undiscovered. One skill point is nothing compared to that.

Not so. There are absolutely zero books in Shalidor's Library that you can't get, and any book that you can't get in Eidetic Memory is a bug, as any book that is quest-locked should appear somewhere else after the quest is complete.

That's exactly what I meant, sorry! I meant Eidetic Memory. And yes, it's bugs. There's tons of books that are either in quest zones that are not accessible anymore once you've completed them, even through party (main quest instances in Wrothgar, cities that transform from hostile into friendly after a quest line, many books that are only available during an active quest, etc.). There's books that have disappeared into the ground after map areas were added, so that new players can't get them anymore. There's also quest-related books that only new players can get, as they have been added to Eidetic Memory later on.

There's this thread dealing with it: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/270549/eidetic-memory-bugs-comments-help/p1

Bombashaman · June 2017

Fix it ZOS.

Anhedonie · June 2017

Is it fixed yet?

Aliyavana · June 2017

Anhedonie wrote: »

Is it fixed yet?

No

Carbonised · June 2017

@aliyavana As a fellow completionist I really feel for all the dung you're getting for raising this very relevant and pertinent question. Essentially it can all be summed up in "your issue does not apply to me or my playstyle, therefore I deem it utterly irrelevant". Well guess what, the world doesn't revolve around you or your needs ('you' being all the people who provide nothing but irrelevant opinions of their subjective feelings about this situation).

Meanwhile, the devs are absent and only crickets are heard from them. Even though they specifically mentioned in ESO live that a new character would not be able to get the skill points from both tutorials - a falsehood, as it turned out.

Apart from the skillpoints there's also the issue of 1 eidetic memory book only obtainable on the boat ride in the tutorial, thus not obtainable for existing characters.

Aliyavana · June 2017

Carbonised wrote: »

@aliyavana As a fellow completionist I really feel for all the dung you're getting for raising this very relevant and pertinent question. Essentially it can all be summed up in "your issue does not apply to me or my playstyle, therefore I deem it utterly irrelevant". Well guess what, the world doesn't revolve around you or your needs ('you' being all the people who provide nothing but irrelevant opinions of their subjective feelings about this situation).

Meanwhile, the devs are absent and only crickets are heard from them. Even though they specifically mentioned in ESO live that a new character would not be able to get the skill points from both tutorials - a falsehood, as it turned out.

Apart from the skillpoints there's also the issue of 1 eidetic memory book only obtainable on the boat ride in the tutorial, thus not obtainable for existing characters.

Yah pretty much, and then that guy posted two hours ago but his message was deleted so i doubt he had anything good to say

Mattock_Romulus · June 2017

Thought the Devs said you get a max of one point from only one tutorial. If you do both tutorials you only get one point.

Megabear · June 2017

Is it fixed yet

PlagueSD · June 2017

Will probably go the way of this...ie. ignored.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/80366/the-mad-god-s-bargain-quest-spoilers-quest-contains-2-missable-skill-points

Aliyavana · June 2017

Let's see if Zos fixes tomnorow

Bringer · June 2017

People acting like 'just one skillpoint' isnt an issue need to look at the stickys and see they just suspended a bunch of people for getting extra skillpoint(s) from a public dungeon glitch. Obviously if people who got a single extra point from that can get suspended 'just one skillpoint' is an issue.

Also in the past they have made efforts to make sure you can get every little pointless note and non mage guild book from quest zones just for completionists, you honestly think a skill point is less relevant than a scrap of paper?

Lastly, its not the same as the mage guild skillpoints because that is an intended thing and players have a choice. It may be a bad choice, it may have messed a lot of people up who did not pay attention to the quest dialog but at least someone who prepared could have got those skill points, this is a bug, as evident by the live stream comment that you should be getting just one point from tutorials.

svartorn · June 2017

aliyavana wrote: »

I made this thread on the beta forums already but, if you do the morrowind tutorial on a new character, you are granted a skillpoint at the end of it and after they leave vvardenfell they can do the wailing prison for another skillpoint as well. Existing characters cannot do the morrowind tutorial so are locked out of a skillpoint. So perfectionists would have to create a new character in morrowind so they are not locked out of one skillpoint. This was reported in the beta by me and many others and still it remains an issue.

Before I get flamed by the "its only a skillpoint, how will one affect you when there is enough skillpoints in the game"? crowd id like to say that I have 330ish skillpoints and have a skillpoint into anything I would ever need, however the goal to get every skillpoint in the game remains impossible all because you created a character before morrowind existed.

And before I get attacked by the "have you checked on live? didn't eso live say it was fixed? zos said it was!" crowd, yes I tested it the week before morrowind went live and also now that morrowind is live morrowind created characters that can access the tutorial will have a skillpoint more than non morrowind characters.

lol @ thinking ZOS read any feedback from the beta.

Bringer · June 2017

Its a shame because if they fixed this before release (or EA or whatever they want to call it) it probably would have been a very minor issue. They could just ensure you didnt get a point for the main story tutorial if you did the morrowind one. But now you will have to either figure out a way to do that while removing the point from people whove done both already, or figure out a way to give non morrowind characters an extra point from nowhere. Its a bigger mess to fix now than if they had just caught it before 'ea'

Kiwi · June 2017

necronomniconb14_ESO wrote: »

idk, my warden didnt get the option to do (or skip even) the original tutorial after going to the mainland so it seems fair to me, it just seems if you have morrowind the tutorial is replaced with the new one... which is much quicker anyways and a refreshing change of scenery

I turned up for me at around mid 20 level and I had to go to another factions mainland to start it
its definately not working properly

Enodoc · June 2017

Mattock_Romulus wrote: »

Thought the Devs said you get a max of one point from only one tutorial. If you do both tutorials you only get one point.

Yes, they said exactly that. So the fact that this isn't what is happening is clearly not intended.

TheShadowScout · June 2017

Yeah, yeah... we all know. Not that this is the first thread about this. And yeah, we all wish they had just added the second tutorial to all who take a boat to morrowind...
...then it'd not have been an issue.
New character? Do the firemoth isle tutorial, then the soulshriven in coldharbour later, get 2 skill points.
Existing character? Have your skill point from the coldharbour escape, then get another from firemoth isle later (either through the tutorial, or by attaching iot to the quest to prove the governors involvement I guess).
Oh, well. In time, they might fix it...

johu31 · June 2017

Lol 350 skill points and you all are complaining about 1 you can't get.

Enodoc · June 2017

TheShadowScout wrote: »

or by attaching iot to the quest to prove the governors involvement I guess

Not that. New characters who skip the tutorial can also do thst quest, and they will have already got the extra skill point. That would give them another extra skill point.

subtlezeroub17_ESO · June 2017

While this is something that should be fixed, I can hardly say it's a priority.

Bringer · June 2017

nothing in patch notes
Would be nice to get a response about this issue. Is it going to become common? What about the next chapter? The one after? Are original characters going to end up with 5? 10? missing skill points?

Damianos · June 2017

I'm not sure how any of you have missed this. Creating a new character does not lock you out of a skill point. You simply must go to Daggerfall, Davon's Watch or any city for that matter that isn't on Vvardenfell. You will be approached by a hooded figure and get an undeletable quest to meet with a mysterious benefactor. This starts the quest for the original tutorial, thus you do not lose the skill point, you just get a fancy new immersive quest for it.

Bringer · June 2017

Damianos wrote: »

I'm not sure how any of you have missed this. Creating a new character does not lock you out of a skill point. You simply must go to Daggerfall, Davon's Watch or any city for that matter that isn't on Vvardenfell. You will be approached by a hooded figure and get an undeletable quest to meet with a mysterious benefactor. This starts the quest for the original tutorial, thus you do not lose the skill point, you just get a fancy new immersive quest for it.

Old characters lose the skill point, not new ones. Existing pre-morrowind characters can not get the morrowind tutorial skill point, morrowind characters can get a skill point from the morrowind tutorial and the main story tutorial when they go do the tutorial at the start of the main quest as you mention.

Rouven · June 2017

Enodoc wrote: »

Mattock_Romulus wrote: »

Thought the Devs said you get a max of one point from only one tutorial. If you do both tutorials you only get one point.

Yes, they said exactly that. So the fact that this isn't what is happening is clearly not intended.

So - the answer is to remove one skill point from new characters. Not sure how popular that would be but I'm ok with it. Skills would probably have to reset.

Enodoc · June 2017

Rouven wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Mattock_Romulus wrote: »

Thought the Devs said you get a max of one point from only one tutorial. If you do both tutorials you only get one point.

Yes, they said exactly that. So the fact that this isn't what is happening is clearly not intended.

So - the answer is to remove one skill point from new characters. Not sure how popular that would be but I'm ok with it. Skills would probably have to reset.

Well yes, that would be easiest, but as you say, that won't go down very well. The second easiest thing to do would be to allow existing characters to play the Broken Bonds tutorial.

Aliyavana · June 2017

Enodoc wrote: »

Rouven wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Mattock_Romulus wrote: »

Thought the Devs said you get a max of one point from only one tutorial. If you do both tutorials you only get one point.

Yes, they said exactly that. So the fact that this isn't what is happening is clearly not intended.

So - the answer is to remove one skill point from new characters. Not sure how popular that would be but I'm ok with it. Skills would probably have to reset.

Well yes, that would be easiest, but as you say, that won't go down very well. The second easiest thing to do would be to allow existing characters to play the Broken Bonds tutorial.

Something must be done about this. I can never earn all possible skill points due to this bug

Bringer · June 2017

They could award a skill point for the morrowind 'prequel' quest with the ex-naked guy. Can new morrowind characters do that quest? If not then it would be an easy solution to balance out the skill point discrepancy.

Taleof2Cities · June 2017

Well, we're now at June 6 - the official release date for Morrowind.

For as much work as the OP has put in to give solid feedback on all issues Morrowind (both in beta and early release) ... you'd think a courteous response, positive or negative, would be in the cards from ZOS.

Bringer · June 2017

Yeah. At this point i legitimately am not confident they are even aware of the issue. Threads like this were being made before the eso live stream that implied you should not be able to get a skill point from each tutorial