[Hodor] World First Veteran + Veteran HM Halls of Fabrication!

Uriel_Nocturne · May 2017

zaria wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Morrowind has been Live on PC for just a couple of hours now.

Halls of Fabrication? Already beaten.

Doesn't seem like much of a challenge there, ZOS.

They trained on PTS and did it there.
Yes HM should probably been harder, on the other hand Hordor is the best raiding guild

Even the best Raiding Guilds in the world, takes weeks/months before a "First Clear" in other MMORPG's. Raids in WoW literally take weeks before even the best Raiding Guilds finish the Raid, much less at the higher difficulties.

Even if they were practicing for a month on the PTS, the fact that they were effectively cherry-picked by ZOS, then there were little/no changes to the Trial from PTS to Live, and they beat it in a couple of hours?

And yeah, Hodor was cherry-picked for this by ZOS. There's other dedicated Raid Guilds in this game, who barely got invites, or only half their Guild got invites. Coincidentally, HODOR seemed to magickally receive invites for their best/core members, thus guaranteeing that they would be "First" and have plenty of practice time before hand.

"Other Guilds could have practiced and put in just as much time as we did" Bull-***. Not when those "other Raiding Guilds" weren't given equal representation.

Not impressive in any way. This just smacks of ZOS "picking the winners".

BNOC · May 2017

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Even the best Raiding Guilds in the world, takes weeks/months before a "First Clear" in other MMORPG's. Raids in WoW literally take weeks before even the best Raiding Guilds finish the Raid, much less at the higher difficulties.

Even if they were practicing for a month on the PTS, the fact that they were effectively cherry-picked by ZOS, then there were little/no changes to the Trial from PTS to Live, and they beat it in a couple of hours?

And yeah, Hodor was cherry-picked for this by ZOS. There's other dedicated Raid Guilds in this game, who barely got invites, or only half their Guild got invites. Coincidentally, HODOR seemed to magickally receive invites for their best/core members, thus guaranteeing that they would be "First" and have plenty of practice time before hand.

"Other Guilds could have practiced and put in just as much time as we did" Bull-***. Not when those "other Raiding Guilds" weren't given equal representation.

Not impressive in any way. This just smacks of ZOS "picking the winners".

You've got to remember that in WoW, guilds and raiders go into a patch ~10 levels down and because of that are COMPLETELY undergeared for the new content. Not to mention, drops being shared out and the ability to *usually* only get rewards once a week, it's a completely different story; not even close to the same as it is on ESO.

4h IS very quick, but in games like WoW, if your gear was still practically BiS you can bet they'd do it a hell of a lot quicker than they do currently.

Besides, who cares? This again, isn't like WoW where you get a unique title for completing World First kills and console players were hardly going to compete.

Prive · May 2017

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Morrowind has been Live on PC for just a couple of hours now.

Halls of Fabrication? Already beaten.

Doesn't seem like much of a challenge there, ZOS.

They trained on PTS and did it there.
Yes HM should probably been harder, on the other hand Hordor is the best raiding guild

Even the best Raiding Guilds in the world, takes weeks/months before a "First Clear" in other MMORPG's. Raids in WoW literally take weeks before even the best Raiding Guilds finish the Raid, much less at the higher difficulties.

Even if they were practicing for a month on the PTS, the fact that they were effectively cherry-picked by ZOS, then there were little/no changes to the Trial from PTS to Live, and they beat it in a couple of hours?

And yeah, Hodor was cherry-picked for this by ZOS. There's other dedicated Raid Guilds in this game, who barely got invites, or only half their Guild got invites. Coincidentally, HODOR seemed to magickally receive invites for their best/core members, thus guaranteeing that they would be "First" and have plenty of practice time before hand.

"Other Guilds could have practiced and put in just as much time as we did" Bull-***. Not when those "other Raiding Guilds" weren't given equal representation.

Not impressive in any way. This just smacks of ZOS "picking the winners".

@Uriel_Nocturne

You are wrong. very wrong.

I'm not even willing to argue this with you, but just let me ask you this question;

If we were cherry picked, how come another guild (that didn't even exist till a few days ago) cleared vHOF HM a couple hours after us? That non existing guild was cherry picked as well?

Supportic · May 2017

Congrats for the first clear!
The second run looks stable in terms of points.

Lets find out how far we can push the scores and rek this trial into ground.
Btw. don't forget to report bugs since we are the only one who were able to complete it so far with dragon crest.

Peace
Supportic - Chimaira

Zinaroth · May 2017

Congratulations friends! Hope you're having fun in Morrowind!

xblackroxe · May 2017

@Uriel_Nocturne

Tinfoil hat much?

Yeah sure. ZOS 100% invited hundreds if not thousands of ppl except some key members of other guilds to give us an edge. Ahahaha sure dream on boy.

Uriel_Nocturne · May 2017

Prive wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Morrowind has been Live on PC for just a couple of hours now.

Halls of Fabrication? Already beaten.

Doesn't seem like much of a challenge there, ZOS.

They trained on PTS and did it there.
Yes HM should probably been harder, on the other hand Hordor is the best raiding guild

Even the best Raiding Guilds in the world, takes weeks/months before a "First Clear" in other MMORPG's. Raids in WoW literally take weeks before even the best Raiding Guilds finish the Raid, much less at the higher difficulties.

Even if they were practicing for a month on the PTS, the fact that they were effectively cherry-picked by ZOS, then there were little/no changes to the Trial from PTS to Live, and they beat it in a couple of hours?

And yeah, Hodor was cherry-picked for this by ZOS. There's other dedicated Raid Guilds in this game, who barely got invites, or only half their Guild got invites. Coincidentally, HODOR seemed to magickally receive invites for their best/core members, thus guaranteeing that they would be "First" and have plenty of practice time before hand.

"Other Guilds could have practiced and put in just as much time as we did" Bull-***. Not when those "other Raiding Guilds" weren't given equal representation.

Not impressive in any way. This just smacks of ZOS "picking the winners".

@Uriel_Nocturne

You are wrong. very wrong.

I'm not even willing to argue this with you, but just let me ask you this question;

If we were cherry picked, how come another guild (that didn't even exist till a few days ago) cleared vHOF HM a couple hours after us? That non existing guild was cherry picked as well?

And that goes back to my very first post in this thread, where I said "Not much of a challenge there, ZOS".

My above argument still stands, PLUS the fact that a Guild formed on the very day the update went Live cleared it, means that the challenge is either:

1) Really low/non-existent
2) The Guild was "formed" that day, but is made up of people who were still able to test it on the PTS, and thus had practice time as well; and/or are very experienced Raiders in their own right, thus making a cohesive Raid Team was easier than it would be for most people.

The more that people argue that this should mean something (or even mean anything at all), given the circumstances of the "First Clear" as they are and what ZOS has done to cherry-pick the "winners" over the last month; the more this just makes the entire HODOR Guild look like a bunch of arrogant wanks who are deeply embedded in ZOS's favoritism.

This "Clear" means nothing. The "challenge" of this new Trial is a joke in comparison to... pretty much every other MMO on the market, and that entire *** Guild should be ashamed that they're trying to make this sound like it was/is something attention-worthy.

sagitter · May 2017

Congratulations to hodor . I'm Just a bit disappointed With hard mode , it took no time on pts to all the groups that finished vet normal mode already, so ppl asked for a buff but it seems was not enought, or?

BNOC · May 2017

sagitter wrote: »

Congratulations to hodor . I'm Just a bit disappointed With hard mode , it took no time on pts to all the groups that finished vet normal mode already, so ppl asked for a buff but it seems was not enought, or?

You only need to go as far as the "Dungeons, Trials and Arenas" section of the forums to see that 90% of people are still complaining vMSA is too hard

- The lack of a challenge (to serious players, this will still be a challenge to everyone else) is probably tied to the fact they consistently cater to bad and casual players who scream "We should all be able to complete content regardless of skill and time invested".

Prive · May 2017

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Prive wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Morrowind has been Live on PC for just a couple of hours now.

Halls of Fabrication? Already beaten.

Doesn't seem like much of a challenge there, ZOS.

They trained on PTS and did it there.
Yes HM should probably been harder, on the other hand Hordor is the best raiding guild

Even the best Raiding Guilds in the world, takes weeks/months before a "First Clear" in other MMORPG's. Raids in WoW literally take weeks before even the best Raiding Guilds finish the Raid, much less at the higher difficulties.

Even if they were practicing for a month on the PTS, the fact that they were effectively cherry-picked by ZOS, then there were little/no changes to the Trial from PTS to Live, and they beat it in a couple of hours?

And yeah, Hodor was cherry-picked for this by ZOS. There's other dedicated Raid Guilds in this game, who barely got invites, or only half their Guild got invites. Coincidentally, HODOR seemed to magickally receive invites for their best/core members, thus guaranteeing that they would be "First" and have plenty of practice time before hand.

"Other Guilds could have practiced and put in just as much time as we did" Bull-***. Not when those "other Raiding Guilds" weren't given equal representation.

Not impressive in any way. This just smacks of ZOS "picking the winners".

@Uriel_Nocturne

You are wrong. very wrong.

I'm not even willing to argue this with you, but just let me ask you this question;

If we were cherry picked, how come another guild (that didn't even exist till a few days ago) cleared vHOF HM a couple hours after us? That non existing guild was cherry picked as well?

And that goes back to my very first post in this thread, where I said "Not much of a challenge there, ZOS".

My above argument still stands, PLUS the fact that a Guild formed on the very day the update went Live cleared it, means that the challenge is either:

1) Really low/non-existent
2) The Guild was "formed" that day, but is made up of people who were still able to test it on the PTS, and thus had practice time as well; and/or are very experienced Raiders in their own right, thus making a cohesive Raid Team was easier than it would be for most people.

The more that people argue that this should mean something (or even mean anything at all), given the circumstances of the "First Clear" as they are and what ZOS has done to cherry-pick the "winners" over the last month; the more this just makes the entire HODOR Guild look like a bunch of arrogant wanks who are deeply embedded in ZOS's favoritism.

This "Clear" means nothing. The "challenge" of this new Trial is a joke in comparison to... pretty much every other MMO on the market, and that entire *** Guild should be ashamed that they're trying to make this sound like it was/is something attention-worthy.

@Uriel_Nocturne

The fact that you say there were more players able to practice on the PTS already ruined your quote about us being cherry picked, so Hodor - and solely Hodor - could have had the first clear. So calm your *** about this, its simply not true.

For the rest of what you wrote; true, this clear means nothing. The trial is *** easy, it's no fun and we would v all rather had a competition like with vMoL.

But know what? Cause people QQ ALL THE DAMN *** TIME about vMoL being so hard, they made a trial that was fun and doable for "lesser groups".

But now the trial is *** easy and 3 groups complete it on day one, there's QQ about it being to easy.

You even take this one step further by pointing towards Hodor for being cherry picked. You're pathetic.

So, with that said and out of the way; shame on ZOS for creating content that was cleared on the first week of PTS with template characters.

Woeler · May 2017

Mettaricana wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Morrowind has been Live on PC for just a couple of hours now.

Halls of Fabrication? Already beaten.

Doesn't seem like much of a challenge there, ZOS.

Dont ruin everything for everyone with elite content.

one VETERAN HARD MODE raid in a DLC full of quests, public dungeons and overland stuff, or as you call it: "everything".

Classic "Hand everything to me ZOS" comment.

So here is the obligatory reply -> Learn to play.

anitajoneb17_ESO · May 2017

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

The more that people argue that this should mean something (or even mean anything at all), given the circumstances of the "First Clear" as they are and what ZOS has done to cherry-pick the "winners" over the last month; the more this just makes the entire HODOR Guild look like a bunch of arrogant wanks who are deeply embedded in ZOS's favoritism.

This "Clear" means nothing. The "challenge" of this new Trial is a joke in comparison to... pretty much every other MMO on the market, and that entire *** Guild should be ashamed that they're trying to make this sound like it was/is something attention-worthy.

If it means nothing TO YOU, just let it go and carry on with your life.
The vehemence with which you try to demonstrate that it shouldn't mean anything to anyone, is quite puzzling.
It's an achievement in a videogame. A group of people worked hard (work on PTS is still work...) to get it, now they're happy and share it. What is it there that disturbs you so much ?

Uriel_Nocturne · May 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

The more that people argue that this should mean something (or even mean anything at all), given the circumstances of the "First Clear" as they are and what ZOS has done to cherry-pick the "winners" over the last month; the more this just makes the entire HODOR Guild look like a bunch of arrogant wanks who are deeply embedded in ZOS's favoritism.

This "Clear" means nothing. The "challenge" of this new Trial is a joke in comparison to... pretty much every other MMO on the market, and that entire *** Guild should be ashamed that they're trying to make this sound like it was/is something attention-worthy.

If it means nothing TO YOU, just let it go and carry on with your life.
The vehemence with which you try to demonstrate that it shouldn't mean anything to anyone, is quite puzzling.
It's an achievement in a videogame. A group of people worked hard (work on PTS is still work...) to get it, now they're happy and share it. What is it there that disturbs you so much ?

I never once mentioned or implied that I speak for "everyone". This is only, and has always been, nothing more than my opinion and what it looks like from my PoV.

MokiDono · May 2017

Jonno wrote: »

Funny how there are 3 NB on leaderboards

There would be more, but some of them were not in the group when their raid team opened the trial entrance door so they are not on the leaderboard, even though they have the achievement, and score and skin

Prive · May 2017

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

The more that people argue that this should mean something (or even mean anything at all), given the circumstances of the "First Clear" as they are and what ZOS has done to cherry-pick the "winners" over the last month; the more this just makes the entire HODOR Guild look like a bunch of arrogant wanks who are deeply embedded in ZOS's favoritism.

This "Clear" means nothing. The "challenge" of this new Trial is a joke in comparison to... pretty much every other MMO on the market, and that entire *** Guild should be ashamed that they're trying to make this sound like it was/is something attention-worthy.

If it means nothing TO YOU, just let it go and carry on with your life.
The vehemence with which you try to demonstrate that it shouldn't mean anything to anyone, is quite puzzling.
It's an achievement in a videogame. A group of people worked hard (work on PTS is still work...) to get it, now they're happy and share it. What is it there that disturbs you so much ?

I never once mentioned or implied that I speak for "everyone". This is only, and has always been, nothing more than my opinion and what it looks like from my PoV.

@Uriel_Nocturne

Even if they were practicing for a month on the PTS, the fact that they were effectively cherry-picked by ZOS, then there were little/no changes to the Trial from PTS to Live, and they beat it in a couple of hours?

The fact?

doesn't sound like YOUR OPINION any longer.

Personofsecrets · May 2017

Who is using Alkosh in the run?

mikeabboudb14_ESO · May 2017

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Is ZOS embarrassed by this or is this standard results for games that have a beta test of their trials?

LOL It's not as if they've done a blind pug-run. They're organized and they prepared for weeks on PTS. Congrats are due, but use some common sense before throwing shade. This happens in WOW at every new content release, too, with hardcore progression guilds.

deleted comment because i misunderstood something that changed my thinking.

MokiDono · May 2017

This discussion is getting out of hand. ZoS decided that they release the full content of the trial on the PTS with the same difficulty as on live. Faulting guilds to take advantage of this is kinda nonsensical. This is why it's called progression, you progress. You can't expect from others to follow the same morals like "I'm sure others will wait until it hits live". You take as much advantage as possible, if you want to compete. What ZoS can learn from this is maybe put in measures to increase difficulty, when a trial hits the live server. Other MMOs did that before, it's not impossible.

Not to mention how many game breaking bugs got discovered by extensive testing. Or would you prefer that the trial goes out on June 6th, and you can't progress further than the second boss, cause it refuses to die? Because we had issues like that on PTS

And just wait around for weeks, until everything gets fixed? Then people would complain that "omg, i paid for this beta expansion?".

The bottom line is people will always find something to complain about, and we can't be happy for others for even a second. Undermining their success as fast as possible to make ourselves feel better. Kinda sickening.

PS.: Dang, forgot to say Grats!

Prive · May 2017

mikeabboudb14_ESO wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Is ZOS embarrassed by this or is this standard results for games that have a beta test of their trials?

LOL It's not as if they've done a blind pug-run. They're organized and they prepared for weeks on PTS. Congrats are due, but use some common sense before throwing shade. This happens in WOW at every new content release, too, with hardcore progression guilds.

i disagree; not all guilds were allowed into closed beta. not all guilds were given months to practice. This is not a legitimate world first. That belongs to the next guild who had to wait to learn the mechanics after general release. This is a cheat. If this guild was allowed in as part of a test it still doesnt count. Funny how all of their members were in the closed beta. This doesnt mean they didn't beat it, it just means they were given an opportunity denied everyone else. If the next guild beats it in less time then they deserve the accolades.

see bolted part = not true. There were plenty guilds with invites on the PTS, as you can see, because the trial has been cleared 3 times on one day. So what exactly are you trying to say?

And besides, we were also the first to clear it on the PTS, with template chars.

Just out of curiosity.. when vMOL came out on PTS, a PTS that was available for EVERYONE. Where were all the people that are currently QQ'ing? Did you also put in multiple hours a day trying to clear vMOL? Most likely not. And the guilds that actually did put in those amount of hours on the PTS for MOL, also had invites for this PTS.

Lexxypwns · May 2017

Kay1 wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

First yes, after 60 tries in the PTS.

It's so sad to see this, in others games being World first takes some time because no one knows anything, in ESO you just have to download the PTS.

We also didn't know nothing the first time we cleared it on pts (also world first in both normal and hm may I add).

I just don't see your point almost all the people that do raid had their invites and most of the other good guilds ran hof often on pts.

Also its cute how people really think that everyone going into the trial blind now would have changed anything on the outcome.

You don't see my point?

I don't know you don't need to be a genius to understand it, those guys did world first but after a lot of tries in the PTS leaving others people who couldn't get on the private PTS without a chance, you think there's no difference then tell me a single game where a raid guild clear a new trial in the hardest mode 4h after release.

I wish this *** of letting people do the Trial in the PTS wasn't a thing.

I do see your point. I just don't agree. The people that had a chance to beat us were on pts and the ones that weren't don't need to kid themselves with the thought of actually having a chance.

Please, the PC community and 100 people is not the whole raiding community.

There's thousands of raiding guilds in both console and PC, I can see that you are in the guild itself so you probably know that your guild have a lot of fans from consoles, think about the unfairness none of them can even try it before release your guild had the chance of doing it a lot of times it's not even a real world first because you guys completed it on the PTS already that's how sad it is (I'm talking about Zos decision of adding the Trial to PTS).

Wouldn't you agree for a closed trial closed until maybe Friday 9th June? No PTS test and released at the same time from everyone?

Trial had to be on PTS. But it needed to get re-tuned post PTS and possibly keep a mechanic or two hidden. But it has to get bug tested.

FlyLionel · May 2017

Sick.

Kilandros · May 2017

xblackroxe wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Sorcs, Sorcs, Sorcs everywhere all dps, 2 templar healers one DK tank and one stamina templar probably for the light skill that does minor fracture and breach.
Sorc Dps is the only way to go now.

How often does this have to be repeated? I swear I could post this every 2 comment here and ppl still would QQ about this. It was the first day and we started as soon as servers went online. People just went with what they new best and since that was sorc for the last few months thats what almost everyone went with.

If you wann see the actual balance maybe give us a week or two so we have actually time to get back into other classes to test without 500ping pts.

This is just a dishonest post. Hodor has been practicing the trial for the last month. You guys knew what group comp you were going to bring lol.

Dreyloch · May 2017

It can't be that awesome if you beat it on the first day lol. But grats I guess.

Avalon · May 2017

Grats to the World First... and thank you for also showing exactly why Early Access ONLY on PC was such a s**t move by ZOS. One of my first posts on the Early Access thread was pointing out how there are people that are really competitive on all platforms, and they all want that ability to claim 'World's First', but by handing PC 2 weeks of early access, they also hand THEM automatic World's First. By the time console gets it, they can get a 'Console's First', but even that will be tainted badly by the fact that there will be so many guides on how to do things, that they can easily be told, "Yeah, but you guys had guides, we had to do it on our own"

But, grats still... really... 10 pages of people reading and posting, World's First is THAT big of a deal. Which is exactly why ZOS should not have excluded consoles from early access.

xblackroxe · May 2017

Kilandros wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Sorcs, Sorcs, Sorcs everywhere all dps, 2 templar healers one DK tank and one stamina templar probably for the light skill that does minor fracture and breach.
Sorc Dps is the only way to go now.

How often does this have to be repeated? I swear I could post this every 2 comment here and ppl still would QQ about this. It was the first day and we started as soon as servers went online. People just went with what they new best and since that was sorc for the last few months thats what almost everyone went with.

If you wann see the actual balance maybe give us a week or two so we have actually time to get back into other classes to test without 500ping pts.

This is just a dishonest post. Hodor has been practicing the trial for the last month. You guys knew what group comp you were going to bring lol.

Yes and the pet nerf didn´t come till live patch. I just played around with the other classes a bit but not anywhere near as much as on sorc. This week I´m gonna test NB and see if it can actually compete again since I´m growning sick from playing sorc.

EDIT: Also there is no group composition meeting or anything. Everybody is free to play whatever they want especially on the pts. Its just as I said. Sorc is what people are familiar with, its what was by far the best in homestead and wasn´t gutted so ofc it was the obvious choice for everyone.

Izaki · May 2017

xblackroxe wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Sorcs, Sorcs, Sorcs everywhere all dps, 2 templar healers one DK tank and one stamina templar probably for the light skill that does minor fracture and breach.
Sorc Dps is the only way to go now.

How often does this have to be repeated? I swear I could post this every 2 comment here and ppl still would QQ about this. It was the first day and we started as soon as servers went online. People just went with what they new best and since that was sorc for the last few months thats what almost everyone went with.

If you wann see the actual balance maybe give us a week or two so we have actually time to get back into other classes to test without 500ping pts.

This is just a dishonest post. Hodor has been practicing the trial for the last month. You guys knew what group comp you were going to bring lol.

Yes and the pet nerf didn´t come till live patch. I just played around with the other classes a bit but not anywhere near as much as on sorc. This week I´m gonna test NB and see if it can actually compete again since I´m growning sick from playing sorc.

Just leave it man... Congratz on the clear and don't pay attention to the salt. Rock on dudes.

theamazingx · May 2017

So hyped for the three week mark when all the people qqing still don't have their clear and the top score has multiple magblades.

anitajoneb17_ESO · May 2017

xblackroxe wrote: »

EDIT: Also there is no group composition meeting or anything. Everybody is free to play whatever they want especially on the pts. Its just as I said. Sorc is what people are familiar with, its what was by far the best in homestead and wasn´t gutted so ofc it was the obvious choice for everyone.

Forget it. They'll soon blame it on your toothpaste

Demion · May 2017

Nicely done!

lunalitetempler · May 2017

Dont want to sound like a jerk but so what? Clearly its bugged on easy mode.