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Massive hidden nerf to Stamina Wardens that people need to see
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SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »It's an intelligent change. Winter's Embrace is a magicka skill line so the passive should benefit the people actually using it, instead of people who will arbitrarily level it for one passive.
Yet dk's get a poison and fire aoe version because they do poison and fire.
It's a stupid change.
Err.. what? Those passives only affect skills from those lines, not any aoe.
Come back when you play a DK.
Wow. Quoted for proof of intelligence. Do storm calling passives only increase damage of storm calling skills too?
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Combustion_(Ardent_Flame)
"Combustion increases the Fire and Poison damage of the active skills in the Ardent Flame skill line. It does not boost damage from other skill lines such as flame staves or skills from Destruction Staff."
That [verification needed] you didnt included in that quote does not really help with the question at hand
Not to mention it is not the AoE passive they were talking about.
Do you even DKEdited by SodanTok on May 22, 2017 5:57PM6 -
Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LPlease provide developer insight as to WHY this change was made, immediately.
That would require the Devs to have some insight in the first place.
All The BestEdited by Gandrhulf_Harbard on May 22, 2017 6:01PMThose memories come back to haunt me, they haunt me like a curse.
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TheStealthDude✭✭✭✭D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »It's an intelligent change. Winter's Embrace is a magicka skill line so the passive should benefit the people actually using it, instead of people who will arbitrarily level it for one passive.
Yet dk's get a poison and fire aoe version because they do poison and fire.
It's a stupid change.
Err.. what? Those passives only affect skills from those lines, not any aoe.
Come back when you play a DK.
Wow. Quoted for proof of intelligence. Do storm calling passives only increase damage of storm calling skills too?
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Combustion_(Ardent_Flame)
"Combustion increases the Fire and Poison damage of the active skills in the Ardent Flame skill line. It does not boost damage from other skill lines such as flame staves or skills from Destruction Staff."
You forgot to add: "[Verification Needed]" to your quote from that wiki.5 -
casparian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »It's an intelligent change. Winter's Embrace is a magicka skill line so the passive should benefit the people actually using it, instead of people who will arbitrarily level it for one passive.
Yet dk's get a poison and fire aoe version because they do poison and fire.
It's a stupid change.
Err.. what? Those passives only affect skills from those lines, not any aoe.
Come back when you play a DK.
Wow. Quoted for proof of intelligence. Do storm calling passives only increase damage of storm calling skills too?
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Combustion_(Ardent_Flame)
"Combustion increases the Fire and Poison damage of the active skills in the Ardent Flame skill line. It does not boost damage from other skill lines such as flame staves or skills from Destruction Staff."
Yes, and keep reading down the list of passives. Then you'll see what the rest of us are talking about.7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.8 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »It's an intelligent change. Winter's Embrace is a magicka skill line so the passive should benefit the people actually using it, instead of people who will arbitrarily level it for one passive.
Yet dk's get a poison and fire aoe version because they do poison and fire.
It's a stupid change.
It's only a stupid change if you want every class to be exactly alike....I'm building a Stam Warden, I'll still kick ass.2 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭really bad change...stamina gets hardly anything from passives
i mean at this point, why not get rid of stamina at all...why even bother if you don't want anyone using it??
It does really feel that way that playing pure stamina is actively discouraged...and the only decent stamina class the sorc is uber built for it probably wrobels favorite class or somethingEdited by Nemesis7884 on May 22, 2017 6:33PM2 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's an intelligent change. Winter's Embrace is a magicka skill line so the passive should benefit the people actually using it, instead of people who will arbitrarily level it for one passive.
thats a pretty ignorant statment - why exactly is it a magicka skill line? and which class skill line is exactly a stamina skill line? And even going by that logic, why wouldn't it be a health skill line?Edited by Nemesis7884 on May 22, 2017 6:17PM0 -
Smolt✭✭✭Wow that is a huge nerf to a very underwhelming class. Nice to not have to buy an extra character slot. Stam warden was just ok, now it's just bad.1 -
DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Don't like the change, magic and cold damage, isn't that redundant? Or it's double dipping? Should've been magic and physical.
It's not redundant as magic damage is different than elemental damage. However, magic AND physical damage should have been kept alongside the cold damage.Unfortunate magicka warden main.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »It's an intelligent change. Winter's Embrace is a magicka skill line so the passive should benefit the people actually using it, instead of people who will arbitrarily level it for one passive.
Yet dk's get a poison and fire aoe version because they do poison and fire.
It's a stupid change.
Err.. what? Those passives only affect skills from those lines, not any aoe.
Come back when you play a DK.
Wow. Quoted for proof of intelligence. Do storm calling passives only increase damage of storm calling skills too?
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Combustion_(Ardent_Flame)
"Combustion increases the Fire and Poison damage of the active skills in the Ardent Flame skill line. It does not boost damage from other skill lines such as flame staves or skills from Destruction Staff."
Go try it in game before making yourself look more stupid pls?
Come back when you play a DK.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »It's an intelligent change. Winter's Embrace is a magicka skill line so the passive should benefit the people actually using it, instead of people who will arbitrarily level it for one passive.
Yet dk's get a poison and fire aoe version because they do poison and fire.
It's a stupid change.
Err.. what? Those passives only affect skills from those lines, not any aoe.
Come back when you play a DK.
Wow. Quoted for proof of intelligence. Do storm calling passives only increase damage of storm calling skills too?
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Combustion_(Ardent_Flame)
"Combustion increases the Fire and Poison damage of the active skills in the Ardent Flame skill line. It does not boost damage from other skill lines such as flame staves or skills from Destruction Staff."
Go try it in game before making yourself look more stupid pls?
Come back when you play a DK.
question tough - does the poison aoe damage buff also apply to sets that proc aoe poison damage (like sylvarras)0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Stop nerfing Stam to buff magika. Don't need magika to buff stamina either. This is why there is such a divide between the community in this game. ZoS puts stamina and magika players against each other for ???? Then wonders why they've got such a toxic playerbase9 -
Stamden✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stop nerfing Stam to buff magika. Don't need magika to buff stamina either. This is why there is such a divide between the community in this game. ZoS puts stamina and magika players against each other for ???? Then wonders why they've got such a toxic playerbase
Yeah I don't get it manPC NA
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ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭sodantokb16_ESO wrote: ».Narvuntien wrote: »I have run versions of warden with 5 AC skills. Although typically I had the netch or bird on the other bar. I think if you want to build for it you can get a 10% damage boost, 6-8% would be common.
I think it is a good change... and not just because I suggested it.
The problem with stamina is you just slot all weapon skills and basically only use class passives here you are being rewarded for stacking class skills instead of weapon skill line ones. It makes Stam warden a very different type of stam character instead of just sloting everything the same between classes.
You arent rewarded. You are punished slightly less. Before the change your bear of cliff racer dealt 16% bonus damage. Now it will be just 10%. Your shalks dealt 10% damage now they will still deal 10%. Your backbar DoTs were already buffed by 6%, now they will be slightly better by 4% (if you use such stupid setup with 5 AC on one bar...)
Actually, that's not true. Because now instead of getting a boost just for PHYSICAL damage, you are now also getting a boost to ALL damage and Shalk Stamina does POISON damage. With the previous passive they would have received no bonus, but now because of increase to ALL damage, they will.Edited by ADarklore on May 22, 2017 8:53PMCP: 2105 ** ESO+ ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »thats a pretty ignorant statment - why exactly is it a magicka skill line?
Because, unless I'm missing another recent change, every skill and every morph in Winter's Embrace uses magicka.
The other two Warden lines have stamina morphs.
The other passives being argued in this thread have at least one stamina morph in that skill line.signing off1 -
Vosital✭✭✭✭Wow, was going to buy Morrowind almost solely to play a Stam Warden. I am actually really glad I didn't pre-order.1 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »thats a pretty ignorant statment - why exactly is it a magicka skill line?
Because, unless I'm missing another recent change, every skill and every morph in Winter's Embrace uses magicka.
The other two Warden lines have stamina morphs.
The other passives being argued in this thread have at least one stamina morph in that skill line.
What does a passive affecting all damage got to do with a skill line?PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Stamden✭✭✭✭✭
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Or stam sorcs that literally get the same raw physical damage bonus passive
I guess Sorcs are the only class that's allowed to get complimentary bonuses toward stamina setups. Go figure.PC NA
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Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Guys dont you get it yet?
Putting Stam anything in the game was a mistake.
The sooner we all just face it and roll all magicka characters, the faster they can just delete stam altogether.
Before they made stam DK into poison, I remember Wrobel staying on ESO Live that they watned to make all the different classes play different. They only meant that for Magicka clearly because my stam DK pretty much plays the same as my stam NB as my stam templar as my stam sorc. They all use pretty much the same weapons skills and maybe one or two class specific skills over the 2 bars. My DK can really only use one class skill because they made them all magicka except 2.Edited by Katahdin on May 23, 2017 2:21AMBeta tester November 20134 -
Stamden✭✭✭✭✭
✭Guys dont you get it yet?
Putting Stam anything in the game was a mistake.
The sooner we all just face it and roll all magicka characters, the faster they can just delete stam altogether.
Before they made stam DK into poison, I remember Wrobel staying on ESO Live that they watned to make all the different classes play different. They only meant that for Magicka clearly because my stam DK pretty much plays the same as my stam NB as my stam templar as my stam sorc. They all use pretty much the same weapons skills and maybe one or two class specific skills over the 2 bars. My DK can really only use one class skill because they made them all magicka except 2.
I just don't get it. They advertise the class as being very Stamina friendly. The lore behind them is very Bosmer related, and in every single teaser/trailer they feature a Redguard Warden with a 2H Sword.
They choose to neglect the Stamina Warden by not giving any effects on things like Cutting Dive and Wild Guardian, and not giving things like Swarm a stamina morph. That itself was pretty off-putting and a pretty big "screw you" to anyone that didn't want to run a Magika setup.
But this.. on launch day.. why? Even from a strictly business perspective, I am sure a huge portion of Morrowind sales come directly from people who just want to play the new class. They are literally losing money by neglecting Stamina Warden like this. It makes no sense.PC NA
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ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I swear, y'all are starting to sound like the StamSorc complainers... all we heard for years was, "Sorcerers need Stamina skills", and how did that work out for ya? You got Hurricane and a couple other 'stamina-inclusive' passives, yet Sorcerers never received a stamina-based attack, Hurricane is as close as they got. So count yourself lucky that Warden at least has a couple of Stamina-based attacks, which is more than StamSorcs have.CP: 2105 ** ESO+ ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭sorc is really the only class that seems to be as good at stam as at magicka...
if you only want magicka classes than how about changing all racial passives to go the same way at least?1 -
Phinix1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Another good example, like the Ice Staff fiasco, of something I think the devs need to seriously look into:
PASSIVES NEED MORPH OPTIONS TOO.
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Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I dont understand why the exact same passives on the stam sorc (and even more with disintegration) are no problem and here they are suddenly op and need to be nerved....???? Sorc gets the 2x increase plus disintegrate on top...so where exactly is the diff?1 -
Taylor_MB✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stop nerfing Stam to buff magika. Don't need magika to buff stamina either. This is why there is such a divide between the community in this game. ZoS puts stamina and magika players against each other for ???? Then wonders why they've got such a toxic playerbase
PvP vs PvE is exactly the same.
ZoS loves it when the community fights amoungst itself. It means they never really have to address the underlying issues as the community is not holding them responsible, rather just blaming each other for their thing getting nerfed.PvP Defensive Set Comparison
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Stamden✭✭✭✭✭
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Yeah, I don't get what he was trying to say either.PC NA
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I really hope they add it back, reduce them all to like 4-5% if you must.
Also add effects that actually beneficial to stamina builds on the stamina morphs without them, dive/ netch...
Come one zos, warden has very few good passives for stamina.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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