ESO Live Today - Some really good changes :o

BuddyAces · May 2017

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. All one can do now is to laugh at this crap. Was going to pre order when I finally got on the comp tonight but, yeah, nope. Now I'm sitting here trying to talk myself into not cancelling my account. I can't believe they're really going down this road. Still holding out hope that it gets better and not worse =(

I love what that one feller said (was it this thread or a different one, I can't remember) about them nerfing us to make OLD content harder and not design new content to be harder. Who the *** does that lol? Almost like a bad April Fools joke. Whoever is in charge of these decisions needs to be fired.

Vaoh · May 2017

Lylith wrote: »

so everyone bitched for years about pets being ***.

then zos finally made pets viable and everyone bitched about THAT.

so, naturally the nerf bat comes out and pets will be *** again.

just brilliant.

Well Pets used to be absolutely horrible. Then ZOSed continually buffed them until they got tired of buffing them and just shoved on like 2x the Pulses and way more damage in one patch. All of a sudden they result in disgustingly OP AoE DPS.

People want this nerfed because it'd be better for it to become garbage again rather than OP if only the two extremes are possible.

Tbh I actually have faith in ZOS to properly balance them this patch. They have managed to do a surprising good job balancing DPS this patch and they're obviously shooting to have each class be viable and none of them too strong.

Sosderosii · May 2017

I also heard some change to syphoning attacks which will restore either stamina or magika after the uptime normally ends, and that even if you recast it early.

Ocelot9x · May 2017

And still no changes for stam dk,the most boring and unoriginal stam spec. Ty zenimax for taking all the fun from my class. I'll roll a stamplar then.

Sosderosii · May 2017

Ocelot9x wrote: »

And still no changes for stam dk,the most boring and unoriginal stam spec. Ty zenimax for taking all the fun from my class. I'll roll a stamplar then.

They did say they bring some changes like reducing the cost of some utility abilities(maybe magicka costing, not certain) so it would make sense for them to use them also.

Rohamad_Ali · May 2017

What irritated me is all the extremes everyone has to go through every PTS before they finally realize they pushed people too far with changes . There has to be a better way to handle changes then Golf analogies after a bunch of your player base splits in an explosion of frustration that could of been avoided . All it would of taken was better communication @ZOS_RichLambert . Now I knew this was going to happen because I've dealt with it since Beta but a bunch of your audience had NO CLUE you would eventually reel things back inline and that's because of the way things were communicated to your audience .

Giving vague feedback to the testing community that you like what's happening so far and your getting different feedback then the majority on the forums are just a couple of examples of this bad interaction . Then being silent the majority of the time just confirmed people's irrational fears . Why not have a ongoing discussion with the community and show people you are looking at all angles and will test their feedback ? I don't buy Ginas cover that there is no time either . Other Game producers do it daily with same work loads . Especially when every time you end up seeing the majority of your experienced testers were right and it went too far . There's no way you can like watching all this chaos every time . What you said today should of been said over a week ago . You guys didn't TeeOff aiming for the green . You shot the ball out of a canon across the street . Stop playing golf like Happy Gilmore before lesson !

ADarklore · May 2017

Eshelmen wrote: »

Nothing added for Templar?

Yes, they are making the Ultimate Nova faster to drop. Otherwise, they said they feel that Templars are in a good place right now.

templesus · May 2017

notimetocare wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

So no PvP mag sorc nerf?

Game continues to remain unbalanced.

If PvP Mag Sorcs are using Volatile Familar, then YES, major nerf incoming when it goes Live.

Hahaha man that was a good one, are you a comedian?

Am I? Don't know what Sorcs in PvP are using since I don't PvP... just noting that there is a major nerf to Sorcs incoming as the devs seems to think that VF is the only ability that is OP with a Sorc.

1% of sorcs in cyrodiil use volatile familiar, so no sorcs didnt get nerfed.

Someone hasnt seen the recent vMA meta lol

I solo PvP for hours every day, I avoid zergs so unless its zerglings running it I see literally 1 sorc out of 100 with the scamp

exeeter702 · May 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

That Grim Focus change will be a huge buff for NB's. I don't even play one, but they've been in the gutter for so long that it's good to see them get some love.

How? They made it happen every 5 attacks instead of 4, so it still takes the same amount of time/attacks. And we still don't know how it will fire. Together with the 5th attack in the same GCD? Or like you lose control for 1 GCD after the 5th attack so it can fire like a separate spell? The former sounds clunky too.

Grim Focus currently removes itself when you use the proc. It requires you to recast the skill in order to maintain Minor Beserk as well as the ability to activate the proc.

The buff makes it so Grim Focus will not remove itself when you use the proc. You will get multiple procs off per cast and near 100% uptime on Minor Beserk.

It's a big buff tbh and Magicka NBs were doing quite alright on PTS. Now they'll be there right alongside Magicka DK and Magicka Templar.

We only have to hope now that they buff Magicka Warden enough and that Magicka Sorcerer gets nerfed enough for all five classes to line up well DPS-wise.

This is actually partially false, on live, once casted you are guaranteed minor berserk for the buffs duration no matter what. Even if you fire the bow, the minor berserk buff lingers.

Jazbay_Grape · May 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

What irritated me is all the extremes everyone has to go through every PTS before they finally realize they pushed people too far with changes . There has to be a better way to handle changes then Golf analogies after a bunch of your player base splits in an explosion of frustration that could of been avoided . All it would of taken was better communication @ZOS_RichLambert . Now I knew this was going to happen because I've dealt with it since Beta but a bunch of your audience had NO CLUE you would eventually reel things back inline and that's because of the way things were communicated to your audience .

Giving vague feedback to the testing community that you like what's happening so far and your getting different feedback then the majority on the forums are just a couple of examples of this bad interaction . Then being silent the majority of the time just confirmed people's irrational fears . Why not have a ongoing discussion with the community and show people you are looking at all angles and will test their feedback ? I don't buy Ginas cover that there is no time either . Other Game producers do it daily with same work loads . Especially when every time you end up seeing the majority of your experienced testers were right and it went too far . There's no way you can like watching all this chaos every time . What you said today should of been said over a week ago . You guys didn't TeeOff aiming for the green . You shot the ball out of a canon across the street . Stop playing golf like Happy Gilmore before lesson !

Now THAT was a solid golf analogy.

Oh, and I agree completely.

Lylith · May 2017

never used prey. <shrug>

might now.

colig · May 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

What irritated me is all the extremes everyone has to go through every PTS before they finally realize they pushed people too far with changes . There has to be a better way to handle changes then Golf analogies after a bunch of your player base splits in an explosion of frustration that could of been avoided . All it would of taken was better communication @ZOS_RichLambert . Now I knew this was going to happen because I've dealt with it since Beta but a bunch of your audience had NO CLUE you would eventually reel things back inline and that's because of the way things were communicated to your audience .

Giving vague feedback to the testing community that you like what's happening so far and your getting different feedback then the majority on the forums are just a couple of examples of this bad interaction . Then being silent the majority of the time just confirmed people's irrational fears . Why not have a ongoing discussion with the community and show people you are looking at all angles and will test their feedback ? I don't buy Ginas cover that there is no time either . Other Game producers do it daily with same work loads . Especially when every time you end up seeing the majority of your experienced testers were right and it went too far . There's no way you can like watching all this chaos every time . What you said today should of been said over a week ago . You guys didn't TeeOff aiming for the green . You shot the ball out of a canon across the street . Stop playing golf like Happy Gilmore before lesson !

Standard party rhetoric:

"Common practice is to overbuff/nerf and dial back changes based on feedback"

"Devs don't communicate because forum is toxic"

"Devs have all the data and know more than players on the forum"

"Unhappy players represent minority of population"

"Players just don't want to adapt"

"git gud"

"Pointless thread is pointless"

"I'm ok with the changes and so should everyone else"

Peekachu99 · May 2017

acw37162 wrote: »

I missed the begenning of the stream did they increase the speed of heavy attacks?

Yes, which fixes the biggest issue with ice staff tanking. So I'm happy.

D0ntevenL1ft · May 2017

I can deal with all the sustain nerfs added to the DK, but I'm still trying to figure out why they nerfed our only defining class skill of igneous.

Add all the pointless cost reduction they want but this is the main problem here and they aren't going to avert my gaze.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel

Magdalina · May 2017

Wow it doesn't even look like there's a reason to post a sarcastic remark this time. Granted, they're bound to get half of these wrong, then break totally unrelated stuff implementing other half but I'm kind of impressed. It's almost like they actually listened to the feedback. That's weird but inspiring

Emma_Overload · May 2017

templesus wrote: »

So no PvP mag sorc nerf?

Game continues to remain unbalanced.

Other than the unbreakable mini Negate that Templars got? The buff to Eclipse is the most anti Sorcerer thing ZOS had done since ShieldBreaker.

Darlgon · May 2017

Magdalina wrote: »

Wow it doesn't even look like there's a reason to post a sarcastic remark this time. Granted, they're bound to get half of these wrong, then break totally unrelated stuff implementing other half but I'm kind of impressed. It's almost like they actually listened to the feedback. That's weird but inspiring

You also missed that we will be testing part / a LOT of the class changes on live, as they wont have them in the PTS build on Monday.

Knootewoot · May 2017

Huyen wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

- Light attacks deal more damage
- Heavy attacks deal less damage but restore more resources

Nothing but ANOTHER band-aid "fix" to cover up a problem they implemented themselves. SSDD.

At least they are fixing it.

But.... do they skill only from mag stamina and weapon damage or do they finally scale from the most upper resource/damage type you have. As a dual wield melee magblade I do hope my light/heavies will also scale from my magicka.

I can use staff if not, but i don't want to.

pattyLtd · May 2017

Lylith wrote: »

never used prey. <shrug>

might now.

Haha, glad to see i am not the only one.
Started using it a week ago still levelling it

F7sus4 · May 2017

Those are probably the very first good news in the whole new Morrowind-meta.

pattyLtd · May 2017

As for the changes I am happy we can finally be a bit more positive.

I still dont understand the sudden obsession with forcing heavy attacks for resource return. I mean they even nerf the damage of it and increase light attack damage for compensation? I just dont see the reason for the majority of these changes.

There is to many changes to get a clear picture of what it will play like for me at this point.
Not big on math ill just stop overthinking it and see what happens for now i will not buy morrowind on release.

All this uproar right with your first big expansion lol.
I can only imagine how some of zos employees must be scratching their heads right now.

adriant1978 · May 2017

Light attacks deal more damage

Thanks, ZOS, for making animation cancelling an even bigger thing.

Tasear · May 2017

Lylith wrote: »

so everyone bitched for years about pets being ***.

then zos finally made pets viable and everyone bitched about THAT.

so, naturally the nerf bat comes out and pets will be *** again.

just brilliant.

I am annoyed too. This why we can't have nice things. Also note they aren't fixed in vMol yet so best of luck. Less dps and less each week.

@Wrobel can you look at pets in vMol? Since they are being nerfed.

Vaoh · May 2017

Tasear wrote: »

Lylith wrote: »

so everyone bitched for years about pets being ***.

then zos finally made pets viable and everyone bitched about THAT.

so, naturally the nerf bat comes out and pets will be *** again.

just brilliant.

I am annoyed too. This why we can't have nice things. Also note they aren't fixed in vMol yet so best of luck. Less dps and less each week.

Wrobel can you look at pets in vMol? Since they are being nerfed.

They also bug out in a few other places. Using the portals in AA can sometimes leave your pet behind.

In all scenarios, you have to resummon.

Sensei_Brew · May 2017

Ocelot9x wrote: »

And still no changes for stam dk,the most boring and unoriginal stam spec. Ty zenimax for taking all the fun from my class. I'll roll a stamplar then.

This is why I'll never retire my stam DK.....I hope to be the only stam DK in Cyrodil one day....Low key almost feels like that already......

Khaos_Bane · May 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

Did anyone else get this ominous feeling that there is something else coming they weren't sure they wanted to talk about?

That whole segment about changes seemed like something wasn't said that they're possibly thinking of doing.

It's interesting that they seem to already have a whole host of things going into the LIVE update and not making them available for people to test on PTS.

Yeah this is where more Templar nerfs will be LOL.

I think they basically said, 'we feel Templars are in a good spot right now'... so NO changes other than to their Ultimate being a bit 'faster' to drop.

I have heard that many times

Khaos_Bane · May 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

So no PvP mag sorc nerf?

Game continues to remain unbalanced.

If PvP Mag Sorcs are using Volatile Familar, then YES, major nerf incoming when it goes Live.

Hahaha man that was a good one, are you a comedian?

Am I? Don't know what Sorcs in PvP are using since I don't PvP... just noting that there is a major nerf to Sorcs incoming as the devs seems to think that VF is the only ability that is OP with a Sorc.

1% of sorcs in cyrodiil use volatile familiar, so no sorcs didnt get nerfed.

Cyrodiil? Didn't you hear that PvP is now all about Battlegrounds, Cyrodiil has become a lost cause to ZOS.

Yeah it was clear in the ESO Live yesterday that class balance will now based on battle grounds.

Elsonso · May 2017

Darlgon wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Wow it doesn't even look like there's a reason to post a sarcastic remark this time. Granted, they're bound to get half of these wrong, then break totally unrelated stuff implementing other half but I'm kind of impressed. It's almost like they actually listened to the feedback. That's weird but inspiring

You also missed that we will be testing part / a LOT of the class changes on live, as they wont have them in the PTS build on Monday.

This always happens. You can write up a complaint comment and store it away on your computer so you don't have to write it over again every couple months. It's never gonna change because PTS is not there for our approval, it is there for their evaluation.

Grabmoore · May 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

Nothing added for Templar?

Yes, they are making the Ultimate Nova faster to drop. Otherwise, they said they feel that Templars are in a good place right now.

They like us templars where we are... on the bottom of the food chain without the unique playstyle we once had...

One question, will those base game changes go live may 22nd already?

Darlgon · May 2017

pattyLtd wrote: »

{breakdown below }

Take a second...I will break down what you (and others have) said. Sorry, your post queued up the thought process tho, so its not just you:

pattyLtd wrote: »

As for the changes I am happy we can finally be a bit more positive.

I still dont understand the sudden obsession with forcing heavy attacks for resource return.

Actually, this mechanic has been in place since the game launched. Players just had other places to get resource return.

pattyLtd wrote: »

I mean they even nerf the damage of it and increase light attack damage for compensation? I just dont see the reason for the majority of these changes.

They did nerf the damage of heavy attacks, but no where near to the level of the increased light attacks. Light attacks will still take less time to pump out, and return NO resources. They have sped up the heavy attack animation, reducing both its windup/cast time and how much damage it did (one poster showed it did 330% the damage of the light attack) and giving it more resource return. Doing this, makes it possible to actually do more heavy attacks than before, returning more resources than before.

pattyLtd wrote: »

There is to many changes to get a clear picture of what it will play like for me at this point.
Not big on math ill just stop overthinking it and see what happens for now i will not buy morrowind on release.

This is probably the best stance to take. Some of the changes will not make it into the PTS on Monday, so we will get hammered, err,,, see them on live first.

pattyLtd wrote: »

All this uproar right with your first big expansion lol.
I can only imagine how some of zos employees must be scratching their heads right now.

See, this final set of statements is what got me to pick your post. These changes are NOT really with the "first big expansion". They are happening with Game Update 14. Game Update 14 just happens to COINCIDE with the launch of Morrowind, but will affect every player, even if they dont buy the expansion.