ESO Live Today - Some really good changes :o

ADarklore · May 2017

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

Did anyone else get this ominous feeling that there is something else coming they weren't sure they wanted to talk about?

That whole segment about changes seemed like something wasn't said that they're possibly thinking of doing.

It's interesting that they seem to already have a whole host of things going into the LIVE update and not making them available for people to test on PTS.

Yeah this is where more Templar nerfs will be LOL.

I think they basically said, 'we feel Templars are in a good spot right now'... so NO changes other than to their Ultimate being a bit 'faster' to drop.

victorhrpereira · May 2017

MaxwellC wrote: »

@Vaoh
*Disclaimer: I do not know what the patch on monday brings as such this is reflecting on what ESO Live brought today, which in my opinion was nothing remotely good in terms for DKs*
They reduced the cost of... if I recalled correctly, fiery grip, spiked armor, and inhale. Please tell me what does this have anything to do with our major sustain issue?
On a Mag DK I'm not using spiked armor in PvE nor would I use inhale and fiery grip. In PvP I would use spiked armor but the other two especially inhale, I would not bother even using.

One quick mention aka Edit, spiked armor already costs like what nearly 3k on my stam DK and much lower on my Mag DK; who stated it was such a high costing ability to begin with because I do not think anyone would suggest its costs warranted a reduction in cost.

These changes were nothing but dressing, made to look pretty without even solving the issue at hand. Every PTS these three abilities cost wise were not a major point of concern; I mentioned fiery grips unrelenting morph having a cost reduction while applying a debuff but only to get rid of this notion that a DK needs to be agile when we are a class that is meant to stand our ground and not be a brick flying from one end to another.

The changes for the DK class (mentioned on ESO live) did not solve the issues that people other than myself who were having issues with the changes to battle roar, helping hands and major mending on igneous shield alongside with extremely high costing abilities that are used in rotations for a Mag DK.

I will actually be very surprised if they don't reduce the cost of stone fist too lol.

templesus · May 2017

So no PvP mag sorc nerf?

Game continues to remain unbalanced.

ADarklore · May 2017

templesus wrote: »

So no PvP mag sorc nerf?

Game continues to remain unbalanced.

If PvP Mag Sorcs are using Volatile Familar, then YES, major nerf incoming when it goes Live.

templesus · May 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

So no PvP mag sorc nerf?

Game continues to remain unbalanced.

If PvP Mag Sorcs are using Volatile Familar, then YES, major nerf incoming when it goes Live.

Hahaha man that was a good one, are you a comedian?

ADarklore · May 2017

templesus wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

So no PvP mag sorc nerf?

Game continues to remain unbalanced.

If PvP Mag Sorcs are using Volatile Familar, then YES, major nerf incoming when it goes Live.

Hahaha man that was a good one, are you a comedian?

Am I? Don't know what Sorcs in PvP are using since I don't PvP... just noting that there is a major nerf to Sorcs incoming as the devs seems to think that VF is the only ability that is OP with a Sorc.

Artis · May 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

That Grim Focus change will be a huge buff for NB's. I don't even play one, but they've been in the gutter for so long that it's good to see them get some love.

How? They made it happen every 5 attacks instead of 4, so it still takes the same amount of time/attacks. And we still don't know how it will fire. Together with the 5th attack in the same GCD? Or like you lose control for 1 GCD after the 5th attack so it can fire like a separate spell? The former sounds clunky too.

Grim Focus currently removes itself when you use the proc. It requires you to recast the skill in order to maintain Minor Beserk as well as the ability to activate the proc.

The buff makes it so Grim Focus will not remove itself when you use the proc. You will get multiple procs off per cast and near 100% uptime on Minor Beserk.

It's a big buff tbh and Magicka NBs were doing quite alright on PTS. Now they'll be there right alongside Magicka DK and Magicka Templar.

We only have to hope now that they buff Magicka Warden enough and that Magicka Sorcerer gets nerfed enough for all five classes to line up well DPS-wise.

Ah I see, just no need to refresh. Sounds good, but we'll see how it plays out and what the numbers will be in the end. That doesn't sound like a huge buff to dps itself, but with CP and new sets - who knows.

The only thing - for NB to be right alongside mDK and mTemplar simply having comparable DPS is not enough, because DK and TP provide much more to the raid: minor sorcery, 10% fire damage, synergy on cooldown to proc alkosh and such. NB needs something that adds to the group or more DPS than DK/templar to make up for the lack of needed group synergy (heals and even veil don't count as of now, since healers heal perfectly fine and taking refreshing path is a dps loss. Veil is also a dps loss).

leepalmer95 · May 2017

Sallington wrote: »

Huyen wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

- Light attacks deal more damage
- Heavy attacks deal less damage but restore more resources

Nothing but ANOTHER band-aid "fix" to cover up a problem they implemented themselves. SSDD.

At least they are fixing it.

The fix would be to scale back the nerfs, so another change on top of them wasn't needed. NOT leave the nerfs as-is, and then put another change on top of them to lessen the impact of the nerfs.

This is why their code is so spaghetti, and things unexpectedly break all over the place.

I like the nerfs to be honest.

MaidenOregon · May 2017

grim_tactics wrote: »

Did anyone else get this ominous feeling that there is something else coming they weren't sure they wanted to talk about?

That whole segment about changes seemed like something wasn't said that they're possibly thinking of doing.

I felt this too. I got the impression that they are scared -- possibly because many people are canceling their pre-orders for Morrowind due to their proposed changes without giving adequate reason as to why (at the time). I can see ZOS trying hard to give us what we want (now) but I think it has cost them greatly.

notimetocare · May 2017

Sallington wrote: »

- Light attacks deal more damage
- Heavy attacks deal less damage but restore more resources

Nothing but ANOTHER band-aid "fix" to cover up a problem they implemented themselves. SSDD.

That or it is what they want to do. It looks alot more like they want players to work for resource management rather than just passively get it all. This change looks like they felt resource return was what they want but too low. It also adds an interesting place of choice. Strike quick for damage, spend time for resource.

templesus · May 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

So no PvP mag sorc nerf?

Game continues to remain unbalanced.

If PvP Mag Sorcs are using Volatile Familar, then YES, major nerf incoming when it goes Live.

Hahaha man that was a good one, are you a comedian?

Am I? Don't know what Sorcs in PvP are using since I don't PvP... just noting that there is a major nerf to Sorcs incoming as the devs seems to think that VF is the only ability that is OP with a Sorc.

1% of sorcs in cyrodiil use volatile familiar, so no sorcs didnt get nerfed.

ADarklore · May 2017

templesus wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

So no PvP mag sorc nerf?

Game continues to remain unbalanced.

If PvP Mag Sorcs are using Volatile Familar, then YES, major nerf incoming when it goes Live.

Hahaha man that was a good one, are you a comedian?

Am I? Don't know what Sorcs in PvP are using since I don't PvP... just noting that there is a major nerf to Sorcs incoming as the devs seems to think that VF is the only ability that is OP with a Sorc.

1% of sorcs in cyrodiil use volatile familiar, so no sorcs didnt get nerfed.

Cyrodiil? Didn't you hear that PvP is now all about Battlegrounds, Cyrodiil has become a lost cause to ZOS.

QuebraRegra · May 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

You forgot to mention Heavy attack speed of Bow and Destruction staff are being reduced. They also said buffs to Warden will be on the LIVE server with Early Access, they will not be on the next PTS patch, same with nerfs to Volatile Familiar... on Live not PTS.

RESTO has a similarly looong heavy... is that getting changed as well?

ADarklore · May 2017

QuebraRegra wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

You forgot to mention Heavy attack speed of Bow and Destruction staff are being reduced. They also said buffs to Warden will be on the LIVE server with Early Access, they will not be on the next PTS patch, same with nerfs to Volatile Familiar... on Live not PTS.

RESTO has a similarly looong heavy... is that getting changed as well?

Honestly, I think Resto is shorter compared to Destro... so I think Resto is where all other weapon Heavy Attacks are versus Bow and Destro.

QuebraRegra · May 2017

Huyen wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

- Light attacks deal more damage
- Heavy attacks deal less damage but restore more resources

Nothing but ANOTHER band-aid "fix" to cover up a problem they implemented themselves. SSDD.

At least they are fixing it.

not to defend the indefensible, but maybe these are changes resulting in feedback from PTS?

templesus · May 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

So no PvP mag sorc nerf?

Game continues to remain unbalanced.

If PvP Mag Sorcs are using Volatile Familar, then YES, major nerf incoming when it goes Live.

Hahaha man that was a good one, are you a comedian?

Am I? Don't know what Sorcs in PvP are using since I don't PvP... just noting that there is a major nerf to Sorcs incoming as the devs seems to think that VF is the only ability that is OP with a Sorc.

1% of sorcs in cyrodiil use volatile familiar, so no sorcs didnt get nerfed.

Cyrodiil? Didn't you hear that PvP is now all about Battlegrounds, Cyrodiil has become a lost cause to ZOS.

I can't cite the amount of sorcs in PvP without referring to cyrodiil, as that is the only PvP in the game other then duels.

Darlgon · May 2017

MaxwellC wrote: »

@Vaoh
*Disclaimer: I do not know what the patch on monday brings as such this is reflecting on what ESO Live brought today, which in my opinion was nothing remotely good in terms for DKs*
<snipping because he has been quoted so many times in this thread>
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A little later in the show, Rich said they already have tons of changes planned for Update 15 for all the classes, based on feedback and numbers on the PTS. Soo.. they already have stuff in the works.. I hope some of them are useful.

Eshelmen · May 2017

Nothing added for Templar?

darkstar2084 · May 2017

was this the big news what a joke. disappoint again

grim_tactics · May 2017

templesus wrote: »

So no PvP mag sorc nerf?

Game continues to remain unbalanced.

Typical Nightblade response. So easy to spot em these days.

Elsonso · May 2017

MaidenOregon wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

Did anyone else get this ominous feeling that there is something else coming they weren't sure they wanted to talk about?

That whole segment about changes seemed like something wasn't said that they're possibly thinking of doing.

I felt this too. I got the impression that they are scared -- possibly because many people are canceling their pre-orders for Morrowind due to their proposed changes without giving adequate reason as to why (at the time). I can see ZOS trying hard to give us what we want (now) but I think it has cost them greatly.

Yeah, I suspect that pre-orders are just fine. What you were sensing was the standard ZOS internal NDA, where they did not want to talk about changes being made for Live in 2 weeks because these decisions were not final.

Kharnamatic · May 2017

Aoe resist buff should just be a passive in the medium armor line. Sigh, ZOS expecting us to slot and keep up blade cloak all the time so unavoidable boss mechanics don't one shot melee dps.

BohnT · May 2017

grim_tactics wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

So no PvP mag sorc nerf?

Game continues to remain unbalanced.

Typical Nightblade response. So easy to spot em these days.

Just like sorcs

Asgari · May 2017

DK igneous shield is still going to be bugged I know it. They don't stack so if another DK uses igneous around you, you lose your major mending.

Also those DK skills that got cost reduction were the wrong skills. It needed to be igneous and dragons blood and dragon scales.

Lylith · May 2017

so everyone bitched for years about pets being ***.

then zos finally made pets viable and everyone bitched about THAT.

so, naturally the nerf bat comes out and pets will be *** again.

just brilliant.

max_only · May 2017

Siphoning Attacks changes? Please Yffre I've been so depressed lately. My nightblade baby QQ

Elsonso · May 2017

Lylith wrote: »

so everyone bitched for years about pets being ***.

then zos finally made pets viable and everyone bitched about THAT.

so, naturally the nerf bat comes out and pets will be *** again.

just brilliant.

Hey. I like my dual pet build, but it is easy to play. It will be interesting to see what they changed. Won't be anything like the mini-nuke they took to DKs a few updates back.

templesus · May 2017

grim_tactics wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

So no PvP mag sorc nerf?

Game continues to remain unbalanced.

Typical Nightblade response. So easy to spot em these days.

Lol. Look at my signature before you make assumptions next time.

notimetocare · May 2017

templesus wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

So no PvP mag sorc nerf?

Game continues to remain unbalanced.

If PvP Mag Sorcs are using Volatile Familar, then YES, major nerf incoming when it goes Live.

Hahaha man that was a good one, are you a comedian?

Am I? Don't know what Sorcs in PvP are using since I don't PvP... just noting that there is a major nerf to Sorcs incoming as the devs seems to think that VF is the only ability that is OP with a Sorc.

1% of sorcs in cyrodiil use volatile familiar, so no sorcs didnt get nerfed.

Someone hasnt seen the recent vMA meta lol

Dantaria · May 2017

Lylith wrote: »

so everyone bitched for years about pets being ***.

then zos finally made pets viable and everyone bitched about THAT.then zos overbuffed pets, made them the absolute best DPS-build and everyone bitched about THAT.

so, naturally the nerf bat comes out and pets will be *** again.

just brilliant.

FIFY.

"Volatile + Prey" is - sure hope was! - disgustingly overperforming. Petsorc literally = best DPS. About time that goes down.

And yeah. I am a Sorc.