I am fairly certain there have been enough nerfs! I don't get people asking for more nerfs. In all reality they need to un nerf there heavy handed nerfs to sustain. Mainly armor passives. I don't figure though that they will make any changes. I keep waiting for some balance changes to be done to dungeons to compensate for there nerfs but that doesn't seem to be on the agenda either. Maybe after the patch goes live and they see people leaving the game after the chapter hype because dungeons and trials are not fun anymore or impossible they will then make changes. I am afraid though that by then it might be a little to late to make changes because when most people leave a game they don't come back.

I just want them to fix dungeon finder ;P

Literally just logged in to check my time played on my StamDK main to see how much time ZOS owes me.

Please contact me when you've figured out a way to return my countless wasted hours.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

@ZOS_GinaBruno I was wondering why Zenimax's developers are continuously trying to manage this games "Balance" between PvE and PvP at the same time instead of separating the two. Is there a reason some of these recent changes can't be added to battle spirit ? You've added shields and healing to battle spirit why cant you add damage, regen, all the reduce cost nerfs. You could avoid so much outrage between both type of players if you could look into doing this.
Every single time you make changes for PvP you hurt PvE and vice versa.

As a End game PvE player I'm continuously let down by the changes made because someone couldn't get a kill in PvP with their desired class or kept dying to a class because they couldn't be bothered to learn the counters to that class / build.

Now another comment on these "balance" changes, You claim that these changes recently have been to lower the ceiling (which you are definitely achieving) and raise the floor (LOL) again you are managing one thing but not the other. Nerfs to sustain is lowering the top tier level players dps and ability (lowering the ceiling) but the lower end level players will struggle even more because they'll cast a handful of abilities randomly and be out of resources in 20 seconds(thanks to your recent changes) without proper guidance they would lose interest in your game and move on. Even if they stick with the game you are certainly not "raising the floor" unless you consider them spamming random abilities and doing slightly more damage for 20 seconds.

Not that you care or will read this I ask for the sake of the thousands of loyal players and the potential new players that Morrowind will bring, Reconsider your ridiculous changes (maybe listen to the thousands of comments on the forums, The constructive ones of course) and consider taking steps in the future to balancing PvE and PvP separately.

I for one have unsubscribed my ESO plus and cancelled my Morrowind Pre-Order. I hold hope that you will listen to the people and make some big changes in the coming weeks leading to Morrowind's release.

P.S FIX TRIALS ON XBOX (We miss vMoL dammit) / Stop nerfing Dk's -.-

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

50 bucks ain' worth a story to me.

Each to their own.

olsborg wrote: »

So leeching strikes has a duration of 20s, so when you kinda need better sustain you have to wait 20s for this to give back resources, since you also reduced the resource you get per light/heavy atk? How is this good in any way....I fail to see it.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel @olsborg

This is an excellent point correctly showing that the latest change to Siphoning Strikes is yet another nerf, and that the latest change is in direct contravention to developer's stated goal of making the ability more convenient for nightblades.

Armann wrote: »

Buffs and nerfs should be based on peoples feelings, not facts and data. You need to nerf sorcs more, that is justice.

@Armann

Uhh, well...

We need to see that sorc data and those sorc facts. A lot of us feel the sorc changes actually comport with neither.

Nichts wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

So leeching strikes has a duration of 20s, so when you kinda need better sustain you have to wait 20s for this to give back resources, since you also reduced the resource you get per light/heavy atk? How is this good in any way....I fail to see it.

Well this is another step in the direction: "We want that everyone can finish all content and it does not matter if you are skilled in this game or not.

Disagree, so much.

This change makes sustain for nightblades much crappier than it is currently on live, with the current morphs. So no, it actually is not a "step in the direction: 'We want that everyone can finish all content and it does not matter if you are skilled in this game or not'." It is, in fact, quite the step in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

Gan Xing wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

General

• Fixed an issue where your Stamina Recovery would not pause when holding Sprint and not moving. Stamina is still only drained while you are moving.
• The monsters summoned from the Summon Shade ability or the Maw of the Infernal Item Set will now respond to pet commands and will change targets if you use a heavy attack.
• Fixed an issue where NPCs would always detect you when you were sneaking around them.

Nightblade

• Assassination
  • Death Stroke: Fixed an issue where this ability and the Soul Harvest morph’s damage was being mitigated off the target’s Physical Resistance instead of their Spell Resistance.
• Siphoning
  • Leeching Strikes (Siphoning Strikes morph): This morph now restores less Stamina per Light or Heavy Attack, but now restores a significant amount of Stamina when the effect ends.
  • Siphoning Attacks (Siphoning Strikes morph): This morph now restores less Magicka per Light or Heavy Attack, but now restores a significant amount of Magicka when the effect ends.
  • Siphoning Strikes: Reduced the cost of this ability and its morphs by approximately 50%.
    Developer Comments:
    While the overall resources restored by the Siphoning Strikes abilities and morphs should remain roughly the same, these changes make the abilities more consistent and convenient for all Nightblades. They now take fewer attacks to recoup the cost, and can be activated when you are near-empty on resources. They are also more effective even if you are not perfectly weaving Light Attacks which is desirable for tanks and healers who spend more time blocking or healing.

Sorcerer

• Dark Magic
  • Crystal Fragments (Crystal Shard morph): Reduced the damage bonus of this morph’s instant-cast proc to 10% from 20%.
    Developer Comments:
    Sorcerer’s sustained damage in PvE and burst damage in PvP is currently too high, so reducing the damage bonus from Crystal Fragments brings them down slightly in both areas without being too punishing to the overall damage kit.
• Storm Calling
  • Bolt Escape: Fixed an issue where this ability and its morphs could fail to function in some locations.

Templar

• Aedric Spear
  • Blazing Spear (Spear Shards morph): This morph now increases the damage over time by approximately 30% as a morph effect.
  • Luminous Shard (Spear Shards morph): This morph now causes the synergy to always restore Magicka and Stamina. It restores the current value of Magicka or Stamina to your highest maximum, and half of that value to the opposite resource.
  • Spear Shards: This ability and the Luminous Shard morph no longer disorient an enemy. It also now deals moderate additional damage over time after the spear lands.
    Developer Comments:
    There are three main goals behind the changes to Spear Shards and its morphs. First, we want the design of Spear Shards to be more clearly focused – it’s a powerful area of effect damage ability with a prominent synergy. Templars still have crowd control options with other abilities such as Piercing Javelin, Eclipse, and Focused Charge. This also prevents scenarios where the disorient on this ability would be a detriment; since Spear Shards could proc Burning Light, there would frequently be situations where the disorient broke immediately and gave your enemy a “free” crowd control immunity.
    
    Second, we wanted to lower the damage gap between the Luminous Shards and Blazing Spear morph choices. Blazing Spear is still ideal for raw damage, but it is no longer such a prominent difference; you won’t feel as penalized if you want to sacrifice some damage to have better group utility.
    
    Finally, we’ve buffed the Luminous Shard synergy to return more resources. While this synergy still shares a cooldown with Necrotic Orb, it allows Templars to have a more distinct version of the synergy without making it mandatory in end-game group content.
  • Piercing Javelin: Increased the knockback range of this ability and its morphs to 8 meters from 5 meters.
    Developer Comments:
    Increasing the knockback distance of these abilities gives them a stronger niche from other crowd control abilities, and also opens up more opportunities for using that knockback with deadly results in areas with treacherous terrain (such as Battlegrounds).

• Dawn’s Wrath
  • Backlash: Fixed an issue where the final damage dealt by this ability and its morphs was not respecting its damage limit when used against damage shields.
• Restoring Light
  • Rushed Ceremony: Fixed an issue where this ability and its morphs would occasionally not display their full animation.

Weapon

• Destruction Staff
  • Tri Focus: This passive’s splash damage with Lightning Staves is no longer increased by damage modifiers.
    Developer Comments:
    Area of Effect damage with Lightning Staff Heavy Attacks is currently too high, due to how the splash damage from Tri Focus “double dips” in damage modifiers; the damage modifier would first multiply the Heavy Attack damage, then also multiply the Tri Focus splash damage. This resulted in the splash damage being higher than the damage on the initial target, instead of the intended 100%.

Guild

• Fighters Guild
  • Dawnbreaker: Fixed an issue where the damage from this ability and its morphs was being mitigated off the target’s Spell Resistance instead of their Physical Resistance.

Champion System

• The Apprentice
  • Spell Erosion: Fixed an issue where this Champion passive was not functioning.
• The Ritual
  • Piercing: Fixed an issue where this Champion passive was not functioning.

Slight buff to Nightblades from 3.0
Slight nerf to Sorcs
Slight buff to Templars from 3.0

They did do some listening

And complete nerfs to Nightblades from live.

They did not listen at all, and the latest change is in direct contravention to their stated goal of making Siphoning Attacks more convenient for nightblades, given that the ability has a 20 second duration.

waitwhat wrote: »

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Nightblade

[*]Siphoning

• Leeching Strikes (Siphoning Strikes morph): This morph now restores less Stamina per Light or Heavy Attack, but now restores a significant amount of Stamina when the effect ends.
• Siphoning Attacks (Siphoning Strikes morph): This morph now restores less Magicka per Light or Heavy Attack, but now restores a significant amount of Magicka when the effect ends.

Even less resources per strike? So you made it more worse again? Now you are changing it to an ability that will restore a little more magic but only 20 seconds after cast and less before then. Yea, I'll just hit that to get some resources in 20 seconds. That is responsive. Ironically, NB has so few good abilities people will probably still slot it and so you guys will look at your statistics, see it slotted often by both NB's in game, and think it must be good and in need of another nerf.

@f047ys3v3n

The point about their metrics for slotting is one of which developers should be mindful, though I don't think they even have those metrics internally.

Given the justification for the Warden's self-sustain ability being free to cast, as well as the most recent nerf to Siphoning Attacks with these patch notes, we as nightblades should not assume our sustain changes are being made in good faith.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Reversion of any and all changes to Siphoning Strikes and its morphs, or the addition of an on-pool cost to the Warden's resource-return abilities are the minimum actions required to dispel this sentiment.

While I agree, your comment should be any and all changes to sustain for ALL classes should be reconsidered if not reverted.

Does anyone know if there will be any viable stamplar builds for vMA? Currently vigor and major mending are just enough, if I dodge or block some of the stronger hits. This is the only heal on a stamplar with dual wield and bow. With major mending gone and my 3 weapon damage glyphs replaced with cost reduction, there is no way ill be able to survive more than one hit. The reduced damage will also mean enemies will be alive to cause more damage for longer. I'm on console so I cant test on the PTS so I might be wrong about all this. It does look like ill have to swap dual wield for 2h so I can use rally, reducing dps further.

Trouble13691 wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Nightblade

[*]Siphoning

• Leeching Strikes (Siphoning Strikes morph): This morph now restores less Stamina per Light or Heavy Attack, but now restores a significant amount of Stamina when the effect ends.
• Siphoning Attacks (Siphoning Strikes morph): This morph now restores less Magicka per Light or Heavy Attack, but now restores a significant amount of Magicka when the effect ends.

Even less resources per strike? So you made it more worse again? Now you are changing it to an ability that will restore a little more magic but only 20 seconds after cast and less before then. Yea, I'll just hit that to get some resources in 20 seconds. That is responsive. Ironically, NB has so few good abilities people will probably still slot it and so you guys will look at your statistics, see it slotted often by both NB's in game, and think it must be good and in need of another nerf.

@f047ys3v3n

The point about their metrics for slotting is one of which developers should be mindful, though I don't think they even have those metrics internally.

Given the justification for the Warden's self-sustain ability being free to cast, as well as the most recent nerf to Siphoning Attacks with these patch notes, we as nightblades should not assume our sustain changes are being made in good faith.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Reversion of any and all changes to Siphoning Strikes and its morphs, or the addition of an on-pool cost to the Warden's resource-return abilities are the minimum actions required to dispel this sentiment.

While I agree, your comment should be any and all changes to sustain for ALL classes should be reconsidered if not reverted.

@Trouble13691 I see where you're coming from, but I'm not going to make an accusation of bad faith that expansively. Nightblade sustain changes are in direct contravention to stated goals and, when coupled with the justification given for the Warden's self-sustain, indicate that legitimate class balance is not the motivation behind them.

Twohothardware wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Reduce the cost of vigor again, but make the resolving vigor only heal yourself.

@ZOS_GinaBruno This a quality suggestion that would further diversify the two Vigor morphs. It would also remove developer concerns about the AoE heal being too inexpensive far more effectively than the current solution.

Agreed. Vigor does not need to cost more. Just reduce or remove the AoE healing on the Resolving morph.

EXACTLY. How do they not realize that people use vigor as a self heal?? There are so many skill morphs that need to be reworked in this game its astounding.