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Crystal Frags getting nerfed from 20% to 10%
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Yesssssssssssss
How u like that u sorcs??
Feel good???
No it doesnt does it?
DEAL WITH IT
lol, i doubt sorc even feel it at all lol.
why ?
well simple. because ..
the only time i see sorc use crystal frag is when they sneak people or that enemy not know there's a frag being thrown at them and knocks them down.
in straight up pvp fight toe to toe a sorc uses steak to knock people down (usually)
and the nerf to it of 10% less damage lol ? i bet they are laughing right now and could care less. and i don't blame them. it's basically like a slap on the finger. (slap was so light it didn't even make it to the wrist)
Well they obviously care based off these comments.. lol
BAD SORC!
BAD BAD SORC!!!!!!!!
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Thelon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Yesssssssssssss
How u like that u sorcs??
Feel good???
No it doesnt does it?
DEAL WITH IT
you're still gonna be 1vX material. deal with it5 -
DragonBound✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Yesssssssssssss
How u like that u sorcs??
Feel good???
No it doesnt does it?
DEAL WITH IT
lol, i doubt sorc even feel it at all lol.
why ?
well simple. because ..
the only time i see sorc use crystal frag is when they sneak people or that enemy not know there's a frag being thrown at them and knocks them down.
in straight up pvp fight toe to toe a sorc uses steak to knock people down (usually)
and the nerf to it of 10% less damage lol ? i bet they are laughing right now and could care less. and i don't blame them. it's basically like a slap on the finger. (slap was so light it didn't even make it to the wrist)
Well they obviously care based off these comments.. lol
BAD SORC!
BAD BAD SORC!!!!!!!!
You just totally reminded me of this.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MeMQvVbzPtU
Watch all the way to the end to see the ultimate caster nerf.Edited by DragonBound on April 29, 2017 5:54AM0 -
TipsyDrow✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I don't get it . You point to them straight at the problems . Removing major mending from Templar . Changing major mending to only last shield duration on DK . The syphoning strikes problem with resources returned and they nerf Crystal Shards . What is going on ?
They secretly want people to play BDO instead. Mission accomplished.Oooh, what do we have here? Another scrumptious young plaything straight out of life and into my club? Mmm... you smell new, little boy, like fabric softener dew on freshly mowed Astroturf. Oh, I'm not frightening you, am I, duckling?
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TipsyDrow✭✭✭✭I will use the useless argument: The class needed a nerf......
But no for real. Will enjoy the tears (especially the pvp ones)
There will be no pvp tears from any pvp sorc who knows what they're doing. My burst will hardly be affected at all with this in pvp. It wont even be noticable.Oooh, what do we have here? Another scrumptious young plaything straight out of life and into my club? Mmm... you smell new, little boy, like fabric softener dew on freshly mowed Astroturf. Oh, I'm not frightening you, am I, duckling?
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »Okay, I was wrong. It was 20% to 10%.
So don't call this a 10% nerf. This is a 50% nerf on proc.
It is a 50% nerf on the BONUS damage on proc.
So a 20,000 normal CF, will now hit for 22k instead of 24k when it procs.
For comparison, when they nerfed RD on Templars a 20k tick now hits for 15.8k. That's a true nerf to the b***s.
Still, I agree, wrong skill again ZoS. Dark deal, and shield stack are issues.
Shield stacks will nerf when u will have less sustain,
Unserstand well before writing!
Dark Exchabge used by Tanks in PVE should not get nerf because of PVP and also with sustain nerf it will not be similar as earlier!Edited by Lord_Eomer on April 29, 2017 8:36AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭UnversedNumber3 wrote: »The should leave crystal frag alone. The do need to nerf damage mitigation affecting wards. That will proabably put the world back in balance.
Nope ...I barely live using empowered ward.0 -
MaselClass RepresentativeFrom a PvE perspective they should nerf the pets and liquid lightning rather than frags... The Familiar Damage is crazy over the top and liquid lightning is the strongest AoE cone that the game has. The Pet alone does 20%+ DPS. How would Frags compare to that at all?PC EU
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Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is what happens when people cry. Sorcs by themselves are in a good place. They are where every other class should be in terms of balance. Sorcs are only considered OP because of sets provided to them. You start stripping what makes the sorc a sorc, you no longer have a sorc. People complain about shields. So nerf shields or get rid of them. All of sudden no body plays sorc because they can't stay alive. Nerf burst so everyone can hop on the next flavor of the month. To think that people believe zos isn't listening.
I agree... Did you see khajits are ruling popularity contest.0 -
MaselClass RepresentativeQuebraRegra wrote: »I'm a NB, and to me this is sad, because somewhat misapplied nerfs are sad.
That said this is pretty LOL!!!!!
I mean ZOS sees all the threads about everyone switching to SORCs, so they have to take a shot at SORCs to ensure the OPness of the WARDEN, and your purchase of Morrowind to access the class?
They already got my money and sub when I found out David Zeb Cook has been involved in the development (you know, "ZEB" of TSR fame!). No need for more nerfs ZOS, you've already got my money.
There has been insufficient testing to assess whether the warden is really "OP" as I have to read here all the time. In which way is the warden OP?PC EU
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Banana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Good to see theyre giving everyone the shaft. Maybe the warden will get it the following patch.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The change makes no sense at all whatsoever. I'm beyond caring though. Farming gear to play @Masel92 excellent heavy attack builds for my Sorc and mDK come Morrowind. If ZOS doesn't want me to use a rotation, I'll certainly go with the easiest alternative. All hail the almighty lightning staff.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
Gothlander✭✭✭✭Good to see theyre giving everyone the shaft. Maybe the warden will get it the following patch.
That is the plan. Shaft all classes but make the Warden op.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
TESO needs a wardrobe system badly. Something similar to WoW's tmog system would make this game one of the best mmorpg out there!0 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭It is too funny... when a class other than sorcs gets a nerf, not only they are happy but they also add logic for the nerf and why that class is so broken (not going in 2 details but mainly stamina)... And now zenimax favored class is geting the nerf! I mean did i say zenimax favorite class? Not... lol it was time for the little snowflakes to get a reality check. But seriously get on the nerf train with everybody else and stop crying and saying u never agreed with the other class changes, when i can clearly find sorcs threads celebrating the changes and bragging how your master class was untouchable... Well you were wrong
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Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Unbelievable how people can complain this much about a small dmg nerf, when other classes have been nerfed into the ground.6 -
aLi3nZ✭✭✭✭Still don't understand this nerf. There is conflicting information in the thread and no official word from zos linked. Some said they are nerffing the insta proc percentage so it will proc less and some said they are nerfing the increased damage that comes with the insta proc frags. Which is it? If it's the latter, who cares? It's the cc that's most important to me and it will still hit plenty hard enough with this small nerf.Edited by aLi3nZ on April 29, 2017 10:08AM3
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✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »Okay, I was wrong. It was 20% to 10%.
So don't call this a 10% nerf. This is a 50% nerf on proc.
It is a 50% nerf on the BONUS damage on proc.
So a 20,000 normal CF, will now hit for 22k instead of 24k when it procs.
For comparison, when they nerfed RD on Templars a 20k tick now hits for 15.8k. That's a true nerf to the b***s.
Still, I agree, wrong skill again ZoS. Dark deal, and shield stack are issues.
Shield stacks will nerf when u will have less sustain,
Unserstand well before writing!
Dark Exchabge used by Tanks in PVE should not get nerf because of PVP and also with sustain nerf it will not be similar as earlier!
The sustain nerf is a global nerf to all classes. So although a Sorcerer will have less shields potentially, an attacker will have less offense as well. It's a wash.
Dark Deal however will allow that Sorcerer to get back some magicka, while the DK/Templar/NB won't have that option.Edited by danno8 on April 29, 2017 1:22PM0 -
Apherius✭✭✭✭✭
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The sustain nerf is a global nerf to all classes. So although a Sorcerer will have less shields potentially, an attacker will have less offense as well. It's a wash.
Dark Deal however will allow that Sorcerer to get back some magicka, while the DK/Templar/NB won't have that option.
BIG lol , same answer , " Read before writing "
Guild mage skill , some tank use it with ebon set in PVE .
Dk get back health / magicka / stam when he use an ultimate .
Edited by Apherius on April 29, 2017 1:45PM1 -
Apherius✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭From a PvE perspective they should nerf the pets and liquid lightning rather than frags... The Familiar Damage is crazy over the top and liquid lightning is the strongest AoE cone that the game has. The Pet alone does 20%+ DPS. How would Frags compare to that at all?
Wut ? you want to see these skill nerfed just because they are unique ?
The liquid lightning is the strongest dot of course , but Dk have more dots . sorc have only one dot from class skill .
If I think like you ,they should nerf the Dk grab because it's the better grab that the game has , you see ?
if your pet does 20% of the dps ... i have only one thing to say you ... you forgot to use the other skills
Notice that sometimes there is add who come on the boss . AND as you can see , my liquide lighning only doest 2% more dps than my elemental blockade ! ( notice that this not the fire one ,the fire does 20% more damages ) !
Edited by Apherius on April 29, 2017 2:05PM2 -
Apherius✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭about this 10% nerf on the crystal ... personnaly i don't care ,this wont change my gameplay .
Unless theory crafter find a stronger skill to put instead of the crystal frag like rearming trap or other thing . This will just be sad to remplace this skill .. a sorcerer without dark magic skill .Edited by Apherius on April 29, 2017 2:10PM0 -
Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »I'm a NB, and to me this is sad, because somewhat misapplied nerfs are sad.
That said this is pretty LOL!!!!! I mean ZOS sees all the threads about everyone switching to SORCs, so they have to take a shot at SORCs to ensure the OPness of the WARDEN, and your purchase of Morrowind to access the class?
They already got my money and sub when I found out David Zeb Cook has been involved in the development (you know, "ZEB" of TSR fame!). No need for more nerfs ZOS, you've already got my money.
When 75% of players play one class it should tell you something bud.
75% of people dont just "happen" to like sorc features and play style.
They do it because its easy and has most dps by far with a simple rotation.
Funny Ive seen this arguement said about Nightblades as well. Its almost as if players dont like being nerfed into the ground and wish to play the most powerful class in the game. I mean, I think its hilarious that youre just throwing around random percentages as if its fact. But even if it was it doesnt actually mean what you interpret it as. DPS is always going to be the more popular playstyle because its flashy and fast paced. Not a lot of players like to beat on mobs for days as tank or an underperforming Healer. Theyd go play Dark Souls if that was what they wanted. There will never be a shift in the playerbases mentality away from DPS to Tank or Healer in a way where its evened out across the board. Players choosing to play DPS style classes has nothing to do with something being OP. That is more indicative of build choice than anything else.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax1 -
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✭✭✭✭Welcome to How the rest of the classes feel.
Other classes feel nerfed in terms of sustain.
But crystal shard is our main damage and key ability and for how easy to avoid it is, it should hit hard.
I even remember last year, they commented on a thread and said "For what it does, we have no plans to adjust the damage of crystal shard" I think it was Gina Bruno.
Adjust dark deal if you feel like it, but not our class defining key ability. 10% is pretty huge imo.
Hahah, no the other classes, mainly templar and NB have a lot more issues then just sustain. They ruined BoL which makes templar healers, which is what templars are good at, inferior to sorcs and wardens
And Nbs are called playing in hard mode for a reason, way before the Morrowind patch notes came out.Hoping for more playable races3 -
RavenRoxie✭✭✭✭LOL I guess some people just need something to whine about. IMO the nerf is waaaaaay less hateful then what other classes got! We still have our exchange abilities, untouched. So, while everyone is struggling with their lack of sustain... We will be juuust fine. I love crystal frags, but I think they just chose something to nerf on sorc to make the community stfu about it. lolPhantogram DC | Wood Elf | Magicka Nightblade/ | DPS | 856cp
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Apherius✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭They forgot to nerf the Crystal blast ! Everybody know that this morph is OP ! don't forgot that it's a Sorcerer skill ! so it's OP , and this need a nerf !
Nerf crystal blast .( instead of dark deal )Edited by Apherius on April 29, 2017 3:18PM0 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Salty Sorc Tears. I wonder how many people who will rage at this have previously yelled for DKs to be nerfed.5 -
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The sustain nerf is a global nerf to all classes. So although a Sorcerer will have less shields potentially, an attacker will have less offense as well. It's a wash.
Dark Deal however will allow that Sorcerer to get back some magicka, while the DK/Templar/NB won't have that option.
BIG lol , same answer , " Read before writing "
Guild mage skill , some tank use it with ebon set in PVE .
Dk get back health / magicka / stam when he use an ultimate .
BIG lol for you. If Spell Symmetry is so great why do Sorcerers not use that instead of Dark Deal?
Because it is terrible by comparison. The picture you show is bad representation also. The amount on my tooltip is around 6000 health for 3000 magicka. LOL, who is going to self harm themselves in PvP for 6000 damage?! With the bonus of no self healing for 4 seconds!?
And really, we are talking about PvP primarily here. No one is going to damage their own health to get back some half the amount of resource.2
