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Crystal Frags getting nerfed from 20% to 10%
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭With ZOS cracking down on sustain, it would make sense for them to nerf this ability due to the 50% reduced cost on proccing it"The Oak's Promise: stand strong, stay true, and shelter all"
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✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Awesome.
I don't understand why people are happy because of this nerf? Only because from now ALL the classes will be weak? When community is so happy about incoming nerfs to one class, then developers are making them EVEN MORE, to all other classes.
What about stop nerfing every class in the game and celebrating that sorc will be weaker? What about start telling developers to BUFF other classes to be as strong as sorc is?
People like this are the reason why we are getting huge nerfs every 6 moths. Reactions like this clearly shows to developers that players LIKE nerfs.
Good job.16 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oh please. Cry me a river. Welcome to magicka nb hell. We've had nothing but nerfs since 1.5/1.6. You get a free double proc curse, rediculous shields, dark deal, and insane burst. You guys crying about a nerf? Lol.
Nerf Dark Deal? Sure, I think that's a good idea. Rediculous shields? Not sure they're really subject to redicule, but I definitely feel like shields should not stack.
There are Sorc nerfs that could have been a good idea. A 50% nerf for Frags proc was not among them. I'm not crying; I'll adapt. But I am losing faith, because the change (much like the changes to other classes) is simply bad. It won't accomplish any of the goals they claim to want to accomplish. It just takes an ability off toolbars.Edited by MasterSpatula on April 28, 2017 8:11PM"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle3 -
Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Is this their solution to fixing the broken af proc? Lol. "We noticed our proc doesn't actually work half the time it says it's proc'd so we decided to nerf the actual proc rate so it's less noticeable and feels intended"?
This is silly. If anything, BUFF PvE frags damage and nerf pet damage so we actually need to do a rotation still, not spam heavies all day. They know most stupid op sorc build is already one with no frags nor force shock on bar, right?1 -
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✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »Okay, I was wrong. It was 20% to 10%.
So don't call this a 10% nerf. This is a 50% nerf on proc.
It is a 50% nerf on the BONUS damage on proc.
So a 20,000 normal CF, will now hit for 22k instead of 24k when it procs.
For comparison, when they nerfed RD on Templars a 20k tick now hits for 15.8k. That's a true nerf to the b***s.
Still, I agree, wrong skill again ZoS. Dark deal, and shield stack are issues.
That's surprising arithmetic.
I'd think that a reduction from 150% of base damage to 125% of base damage would be 1/6, or approximately 17%.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ArvenAldmeri wrote: »
I do, it's basically costs nothing if you figure in your recovery and class passives.3 -
DarkMatter909✭✭✭I never relied on this skill heavily anyway so not a big deal to me but totaly not needed. I guess they just wanted to make it seem like they are handing out "balance" to all classes?
And where did it come from between pts patch notes and today? Who the f was asking for this or thought it was a good idea?
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FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You know who this hurts? New players who are leveling up sorcerers as their first character.7 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »Okay, I was wrong. It was 20% to 10%.
So don't call this a 10% nerf. This is a 50% nerf on proc.
It is a 50% nerf on the BONUS damage on proc.
So a 20,000 normal CF, will now hit for 22k instead of 24k when it procs.
For comparison, when they nerfed RD on Templars a 20k tick now hits for 15.8k. That's a true nerf to the b***s.
Still, I agree, wrong skill again ZoS. Dark deal, and shield stack are issues.
That's surprising arithmetic.
I'd think that a reduction from 150% of base damage to 125% of base damage would be 1/6, or approximately 17%.
You're correct. I made a preposition error. It's not 50% on proc; it's 50% of proc."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle0 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't get it . You point to them straight at the problems . Removing major mending from Templar . Changing major mending to only last shield duration on DK . The syphoning strikes problem with resources returned and they nerf Crystal Shards . What is going on ?10 -
Aeerol✭✭✭This is what happens when people cry. Sorcs by themselves are in a good place. They are where every other class should be in terms of balance. Sorcs are only considered OP because of sets provided to them. You start stripping what makes the sorc a sorc, you no longer have a sorc. People complain about shields. So nerf shields or get rid of them. All of sudden no body plays sorc because they can't stay alive. Nerf burst so everyone can hop on the next flavor of the month. To think that people believe zos isn't listening.4 -
SublimeSparo✭✭✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »Okay, I was wrong. It was 20% to 10%.
So don't call this a 10% nerf. This is a 50% nerf on proc.
It is a 50% nerf on the BONUS damage on proc.
So a 20,000 normal CF, will now hit for 22k instead of 24k when it procs.
For comparison, when they nerfed RD on Templars a 20k tick now hits for 15.8k. That's a true nerf to the b***s.
Still, I agree, wrong skill again ZoS. Dark deal, and shield stack are issues.
That's surprising arithmetic.
I'd think that a reduction from 150% of base damage to 125% of base damage would be 1/6, or approximately 17%.
The proc does 20% extra damage, costs 50% less an is instant cast
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✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »You know who this hurts? New players who are leveling up sorcerers as their first character.
New players won't even notice if they never played before.PS4 Pro NA9 -
Hexys✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is totally fine, of course getting nerfed isn't feeling well, but overall this is a good decision.
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Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This nerf is silly. Shields/Shield stacking is the problem, not Crystal Frag damage.Invictus
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SleepyTroll✭✭✭✭✭
✭Feel like sorcs are all ready over crying about this nerf in order to avoid further nerfs. 20k proc frag now does 22k instead of 24k.
Yes this is just so horrible.
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is what happens when people cry. Sorcs by themselves are in a good place. They are where every other class should be in terms of balance. Sorcs are only considered OP because of sets provided to them. You start stripping what makes the sorc a sorc, you no longer have a sorc. People complain about shields. So nerf shields or get rid of them. All of sudden no body plays sorc because they can't stay alive. Nerf burst so everyone can hop on the next flavor of the month. To think that people believe zos isn't listening.
People complaining shouldn't imply stupid decisions, but the opposite.
Now nobody is gonna complain about changes because the punishmet for complaining will be *** the community off.
They are killing this wonderful game...Edited by Xvorg on April 28, 2017 8:20PMSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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✭subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »Oooooh lord. The sorc tears will blot out the sun!
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I brought gifs for everyone!Yo, don't jump on me tho, I have a MagSorc and StamSorc
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✭✭✭✭✭Zorgon_The_Revenged wrote: »
They announced it on ESO Live on Twitch."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle3 -
Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
✭Also OP, can you tell us who didn't watch ESO live what specifically you are talking about? The base damage of Crystal Frag? or the Proc'ed Buffed version of Crystal Frag?0 -
QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Someone needs to train Wrobel how to balance .
might it be time for someone else to take a turn in that role?2 -
Zorgon_The_Revenged✭✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »Zorgon_The_Revenged wrote: »
They announced it on ESO Live on Twitch.
Thanks, the thread title was quite vague and the first post was empty.......EDIT(00:31:40 if you watch the rerun on TwitchTV)Edited by Zorgon_The_Revenged on April 28, 2017 8:35PM2 -
bubbygink✭✭✭✭✭Right now it does seem like sorc is great at everything in PvP - mobility, tankiness, burst, etc. I guess Wrobel decided that of all the things to nerf that he would nerf their burst. Not what I would have done but it is hard to argue that sorcs weren't on top in PvP. Essentially this equates to a ~9% reduction in proc frag damage (they were doing 120% but now doing 110%). Even after this nerf I'm sure sorcs will still be a top dog.Edited by bubbygink on April 28, 2017 8:33PM2
