DaveMoeDee wrote: »
I love the game, but as my first MMO experience, I find it unhealthy. I feel compelled to advance my account. I waste time logging on to feed horses on alts I barely use and get hireling mails to add to stacks I never use. I spend most of my time doing things I don't really enjoy, like farming things to sell in guild store.
If they (ZOS) keeps up their current strategy for the game, I wouldn't be surprised if other well known streamers decides to pull the plug as well.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »Shad0wfire99 wrote: »Shad0wfire99 wrote: »PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »He's streaming about this now.
This dude is a foul mouthed DB....If he want's to make a difference there are more noble causes than dropping the F bomb every five seconds over a video game.
He could be saying anything in any tone with any language and you'd be hating on him.
Yeah because it's all about the hate...
I interact with several different ESO streamers a couple I completely disagree with, but they can present their argument in a non hysterical way.
You called him a "drama queen twitpilot," whatever that is, in the very first comment you posted in this thread. Your bias against him is obvious. In your case, yeah, it's about the hate.
Whatever dude, he's having a full PTSD melt down on line right now over a video game, I think the guy needs help and I'm not saying that to be a jerk. I can tell you're a fan and if you care about the guy you should be concerned with his well being.
What you fail to understand is that ESO is the livelihood for people like Deltia. It has consumed much of his life for 3 years. Everyday.
You personally are unlikely to ever show such committment or investment.
Deltia has done tremendous work for ZOS. So much in fact that ZOS devs get a twinkle in their eye when he has something to say.
The way you talk about him, anonymous on the internet, makes you look like more of a d-bag.
Do you know him personally?
Deltia is a big boy and I'm sure he could stand up for himself if he gave two craps about what ppl say on a forum.
I mean, you've prob never met this guy and you're standing up for a complete stranger on a message board.
Because I'm a rational human being who can comprehend where Deltia is coming fro..
Exactly.
Do we know him personally? No, but we know him through his writing. He is not writing a novel, his writing is more like technical writing and with that, yes, we can actually 'know' him. From everything I have read on his site he seems to be a well thought out kind of man.
I have recently returned to ESO and spent quite a bit of time reading the internet on different aspects of ESO and found @Deltia work to be top notch. His work is clear and concise and covers a lot of ESO without saying 'this is the only way'.
And before I get flamed with 'play the game to learn' the first thing most everyone says is 'go watch a video before you get in a group ~insert any puggable content here~ So people can't have it both ways /rant on that BS
Basicly this.
People dont want to admit their game is flawed.
No, I'm saying I don't put much into what some streamer has to say.
They are just entertainment.
It's like people who fixate on celebrities and follow everything they do and say. It in no way enhances your life in any meaningful way.
That's just my opinion. What you like to do with your time is your business and I have nothing against the guy personally.
But I see it for what it is - it's entertainment and what someone says shouldn't be what you base your judgement on.
I havent played Morrowind on PTS and I won't be able to try it out until it launches in June. I don't play ESO so I can reach some crazy endgame meta build. I play cause I enjoy the lore and the core content - PvP is just a plus to switch up the grind.
I'll make my own decisions on how well or how bad the game is when I get to play it. Not beforehand just because someone melts after reading patch notes on a patch that hasn't gone live and can and will be changed and tweaked.
...Your opinion fails to factor in how much these guys play, observe the balance of the game and their knowledge of it. They -have- to be, their livelyhood depends on it if they make something like this a fulltime job.
So you're saying his livelihood is being effected by a patch?
I don't see anything in the patch notes that states Deltia can't continue to stream ESO and give people ideas for builds.
Let me also add that, again, it's still entertainment. Hes just fortunate that people are willing to donate and pay money for an opinion. That's all that it is - one man's opinion on a video game in video format for the masses to digest. It's not an absolute truth by any means that effects anyone in any way.
Thaaaaat's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying the dude is a theorycrafter, that's what they come to -see him- for. He has to be able to manipulate the system, exaserbated by the fact he's making money of it. If anyone should be actually considered when these sorts of things happen, it's Deltia, it's Alcast. These people know how to game the system, and can thus predict it's effects.
It's why people put alot of emphasis on these people, is what i'm attempting to say.
I know how to do all that too but I don't have a youtube channel. Maybe I should. I need blind lemmings to follow me and pay my bills too.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Peekachu99 wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »He's absolutely wrong, about the devs btw. They dont lisen even if you are positive. If they want it to stay in the game, it stays. The only way to make them change their minds now is hurting their bottom line.
I am not concerned about them not listening to the players enough. I am more concerned about them listening to the players too much. I want them to have a vision, and execute on that vision. I would also like that vision to be the same vision each time they execute on it. If player suggestions align with that vision, I want them to take those suggestions. If the player is suggesting something that they think improves the game, but conflicts with the vision, I want ZOS to ignore it.
My interpretation of the most recent class changes is that they have decided that they lost their way and are returning to their vision. Through incremental changes, they have drifted. This is a course correction back to their vision.
Right now, I do not honestly believe that they are trying to make Warden an OP, must have, class in order to sell copies of Morrowind. I expect that the role of Warden, in terms of sales, rests in the special effects unique to the class, not how the skills perform relative to the other classes. For balance, I would be working really hard to make sure that the Warden was able to compete with the other classes so that people who buy Morrowind do not feel like they got ripped off, while making sure that the new class is not OP. It is a very narrow path, one that is complicated by the whole "pillar" thing that is impacting the other classes on top of the class balancing that is going on.
Okay.
If the idea didn't change every two or three months I'd be alot more perceptive, as it stands, their just rocking the boat for no reason. Lets design the game around DPS timers then nerf your ability to DPS.
What? There are a handful of dps timer mechanics in the PVE side of the game. RoM. Maybe the Swords in a Trial? That's it. VMA can be done with tank in Bahraha's/ Leeching while swinging heavy attacks and popping a shield, so it's not even a necessity there.
There's also a much more informative post on Reddit, too, where someone has shown that the spread and weighted distribution of the new CP will actually INCREASE base dps, even while factoring in the lower sustain.
DPS is going to go up, for those folks who can invest all their CP. It takes a few minutes to either read the patch notes, or to investigate baseless presumptions before assuming they're true, and people really need to start doing the latter because so many of you are being ridiculous. It's really embarassing for grown adults (I'm assuming) to be having these kind of tantrums. I've been guilty of this kind of behavior before, and that means that it's time for me to step away from whatever (suposedly fun) activity has subverted my pleasantness and civilty and turned me into a frothing idiot.
P.S. MMORPGs change the meta constantly. WoW reinvents itself with each expansion, and on a much grander scale than what ZoS is doing. I'm wondering how many MMORPGs many of you have actually played before.
Wrong. Wrong on almost every account.
There are multiple DPS timers. Skoria. Both SOTH dungeons, Lord Warden, I could go on and on, even Mobs so innane as the flesh atro's on ICP. Many fights are designed to where the longer you spend, the harder it gets, and that's the crux of the issue. The game was designed, newer content especially, around the sustain we had. And until I see patch notes lowering mob health or resistances, the center cannot hold at it's current form.
DPS isn't going to go up, and the content hasn't been edited for the current DPS level. So..
Also, I have played a few. And I've actually played WoW. Wanna know the difference between this game and WoW? Even when it edits how a class plays, how many abilities, you get the idea...you still learn by -playing the game-. You still learn almost everything piecemeal because of how WoW is setup.
Comparing this game to WoW only highlights how this games disconnect is terribad. You can crush dissent all you like, you can villify people with an opposing opinion, calling them children, crazy, what have you, but it dosent change that this game is eating itself alive.
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Spottswoode wrote: »
....The reason he quit ESO is the same reason I quit ARK. You end up funneling boatloads of time to get the things you need to get the things you actually want....
Majzkatten wrote: »Zenimax needs to remember who is paying their salary.
Yes they do and it isn't the handful of constant complainers and forum drama queens nor is it fouled mouthed YouTube heroes that shovel food in their mouth while going on a trigger rant.
It's the other 99% of their customers that don't go over a hysterical cliff every time something pops up they don't necessarily agree with.
DaveMoeDee wrote: »Oh no not Deltia if he is concerned then it must be something.....
I like the rational approach Alcast is taking now with a wait and see attitude, the rest of them need to go find their safe space.
I have never seen such hair pulling and teeth gnashing from supposedly grownup people....it's kinda pathetic.
Alcast seems a little more upset than you are indicating here. Just sayin'. His cussing faded into head shaking and speechlessness a number of times-lol
Deltia and Alcast sound to me like they are both upset about the same things. And both extremely vocal about it. Alcast just cusses more
In my defense not at the time I wrote that :-P But yeah.
Alcast seems to generally liked the CP changes. If I remember correctly, Alcast also didn't focus on Warden making other classes obsolete. He clearly didn't like the basing numbers on level and many of the nerfs. He also was very clear that we should not assume that the exact changes now would be what we see in June.
Deltia on the other hand is claiming all the classes can't compete now with warden, which seems like premature speculation.
IdesofMarch2 wrote: »It seems like Deltia is just burned out of playing ESO. His point being he was getting addicted and neglecting his family and just being outside. I'm sure the new patch didn't help but my main is a Mageblade and it seems like I am going to have to abandon her for my MagSorc. I just have advanced so much further with my blade and I don't feel like redoing the Caldwells Quests again when I just completed it.
Whatever I will probably never quit ESO, but I am not a great player and I don't have any gold gear or weapons or any idea of how to build a character but I really love playing. I may not buy anything else DLC wise but I will always play. But I really don't get much time to play which is why I can't do any guild things or advance my builds.
austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »IdesofMarch2 wrote: »It seems like Deltia is just burned out of playing ESO. His point being he was getting addicted and neglecting his family and just being outside. I'm sure the new patch didn't help but my main is a Mageblade and it seems like I am going to have to abandon her for my MagSorc. I just have advanced so much further with my blade and I don't feel like redoing the Caldwells Quests again when I just completed it.
Whatever I will probably never quit ESO, but I am not a great player and I don't have any gold gear or weapons or any idea of how to build a character but I really love playing. I may not buy anything else DLC wise but I will always play. But I really don't get much time to play which is why I can't do any guild things or advance my builds.
The lack of family time for him was problematic. Then he saw the patch notes as a general indicator of the direction of ESO. Thus leading him to believe it was time to move passed ESO
Peekachu99 wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Peekachu99 wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »He's absolutely wrong, about the devs btw. They dont lisen even if you are positive. If they want it to stay in the game, it stays. The only way to make them change their minds now is hurting their bottom line.
I am not concerned about them not listening to the players enough. I am more concerned about them listening to the players too much. I want them to have a vision, and execute on that vision. I would also like that vision to be the same vision each time they execute on it. If player suggestions align with that vision, I want them to take those suggestions. If the player is suggesting something that they think improves the game, but conflicts with the vision, I want ZOS to ignore it.
My interpretation of the most recent class changes is that they have decided that they lost their way and are returning to their vision. Through incremental changes, they have drifted. This is a course correction back to their vision.
Right now, I do not honestly believe that they are trying to make Warden an OP, must have, class in order to sell copies of Morrowind. I expect that the role of Warden, in terms of sales, rests in the special effects unique to the class, not how the skills perform relative to the other classes. For balance, I would be working really hard to make sure that the Warden was able to compete with the other classes so that people who buy Morrowind do not feel like they got ripped off, while making sure that the new class is not OP. It is a very narrow path, one that is complicated by the whole "pillar" thing that is impacting the other classes on top of the class balancing that is going on.
Okay.
If the idea didn't change every two or three months I'd be alot more perceptive, as it stands, their just rocking the boat for no reason. Lets design the game around DPS timers then nerf your ability to DPS.
What? There are a handful of dps timer mechanics in the PVE side of the game. RoM. Maybe the Swords in a Trial? That's it. VMA can be done with tank in Bahraha's/ Leeching while swinging heavy attacks and popping a shield, so it's not even a necessity there.
There's also a much more informative post on Reddit, too, where someone has shown that the spread and weighted distribution of the new CP will actually INCREASE base dps, even while factoring in the lower sustain.
DPS is going to go up, for those folks who can invest all their CP. It takes a few minutes to either read the patch notes, or to investigate baseless presumptions before assuming they're true, and people really need to start doing the latter because so many of you are being ridiculous. It's really embarassing for grown adults (I'm assuming) to be having these kind of tantrums. I've been guilty of this kind of behavior before, and that means that it's time for me to step away from whatever (suposedly fun) activity has subverted my pleasantness and civilty and turned me into a frothing idiot.
P.S. MMORPGs change the meta constantly. WoW reinvents itself with each expansion, and on a much grander scale than what ZoS is doing. I'm wondering how many MMORPGs many of you have actually played before.
Wrong. Wrong on almost every account.
There are multiple DPS timers. Skoria. Both SOTH dungeons, Lord Warden, I could go on and on, even Mobs so innane as the flesh atro's on ICP. Many fights are designed to where the longer you spend, the harder it gets, and that's the crux of the issue. The game was designed, newer content especially, around the sustain we had. And until I see patch notes lowering mob health or resistances, the center cannot hold at it's current form.
DPS isn't going to go up, and the content hasn't been edited for the current DPS level. So..
Also, I have played a few. And I've actually played WoW. Wanna know the difference between this game and WoW? Even when it edits how a class plays, how many abilities, you get the idea...you still learn by -playing the game-. You still learn almost everything piecemeal because of how WoW is setup.
Comparing this game to WoW only highlights how this games disconnect is terribad. You can crush dissent all you like, you can villify people with an opposing opinion, calling them children, crazy, what have you, but it dosent change that this game is eating itself alive.
Wrong? Hardly. Lord Warden does not have an enrage timer, I'm questioning if you know what that is. The fight can go on indefinitely. As well, the suggestion that Skoria (without the tome, which is an option) has a timer worth mentioning is erroneous. If it takes your group all five platforms and then some to burn the boss, no patch or reversal of nerfs will help you--there's a composition issue. Furthermore, Flesh Atros in ICP can and should be run past outside of the 2nd boss; and, if you have more than one or two that spawn during that fight, you've FAILED MECHANICS NOT A DPS CHECK. (Alternatively with great dps and a solid tank you can actually ignore mechanics and stack and burn whatever spawns).
Now that we've cleared that up, please cite these multiple dps timers which have, as you've said, been cemented into the foundation of the game.
Again, dps will be universally HIGHER with CP allocation in Morrowind, not lower--even though sustain will be down. Hop on PTS and see for yourself. I did. And the numbers are great.
He'll be back. They always come back.
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
Deltia telling us to not spend money, then made a video of how rubbish and stupid crown crates were after spending $100 HIMSELF
Time passed and I watch a random video and hes on a storm atronach mount lmao
So please do NOT take his opinion or ANYONE's opinion about how you should spend your money because they are all hypocrites.
They all ride the crown crate mounts but slam ZOS and the idea of it