Deltia is going off on one!

Malmai

After this DLC ESO will fail and will be F2P. Im pretty sure that will happen.

ArchMikem

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Zos are like parents choosing what clothes there kids should wear, zos knows best

It's their game? Doesn't matter what's best or not, they can do whatever the Hell they want.

saremun

Thannazzar wrote: »

The changes are coming like them or not. Liklihood is there will be further changes that nerf your favoured class or mean you can't use the play style your used to. It's inevitable.

You have 2 choices, suck it up and adapt or quit the game.

Moaning on the forums does zero to change ZOS's approach.

This is not moaning, it is called feedback, and no there are more than two choices where ZOS stop trying to shove the new class down our throats, because lets face it they were kinda lazy with this new class so instead of making it appealing they just nerfed every other class to force us to play the new one.

Bartdude

Stop moaning and posting rants. If you want Zeni to listen to you, vote with your wallet!

saremun

Bartdude wrote: »

Stop moaning and posting rants. If you want Zeni to listen to you, vote with your wallet!

Didn't buy Morrowind yet so.....

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Koensol wrote: »

I know and have seen that it can be done so differently. I'll give you an example of the Warhammer Online private server "Return of Reckoning". The way these 'volunteer' devs are managing the game is worthy of big praise. People who are actually playing the game, balancing it from a player's pov. And they do it with vision and with consistency. Simply looking at what is blatantly over/underperforming AND FIXING IT. It can be done. Robust and radical changes will never lead to quality. It only tells you ZOS has no clue whatsoever about what they want with their game.

Exactly.

Several, small, incremental changes to JUST the things that need tweaking will always be more productive and effective than broad, sweeping changes to everything.

ZoS don't yet seem to understand that, or how it can be done.

All The Best

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I can almost see Wrobel sitting in his chair, fuming that the players don't think these changes are as perfect as he does. I say that I can almost see it, because I know he really doesn't care. The PTS is a placebo, and 99% of what appears on the PTS goes onto the Live servers completely unchanged. The PTS is there so that ZOS can introduce this stuff, and make people think that their voice has weight that ZOS never intends to give to those voices.

The issue I have is that every time I have seen Mr Wrobel talk on a livestream he is the one that sounds like he has least idea of what it is he is doing, and the least understanding of what is going on in the game.

He may have a million GB of metrics data from game-play but without the capacity to analyse those metrics in an impartial and neutral manner the data is utterly useless, and the changes made on that flawed understanding of the data will be equally useless.

All The Best

Land_Strider

Hi all i think this is pretty bad this time around ,these nerf' s have taken it a bit too far i have 12 characters all maxed out ,
5500++ hours ingame and i am a Eso+ sub . i have fully supported Zenimax the last few years , but i have to agree with Deltia and Alcast this is getting ridiculous.
Deltia has been a great inspiration for a LOT of players in ESO i for one will miss his vids i know zenimax does not listen to the small peeps anymore , which is a shame because it is the small peeps that keep the game running .
I feel they will lose a lot of players if theses nerfs are implemented .(me also being one of them)i Love this game always have always will but please Zos Listen to the small peeps.

Lol Yes i am moaning lol .

Bam_Bam

ScooberSteve wrote: »

If you dont like the changes only way devs will listen is to cancel your sub, get a refund for morrowing.

We can get refunds for Morrowind? I didn't think it was possible?

Doctordarkspawn

Baranthus wrote: »

Sypher has left it seems. Now Deltia.

I'm not a huge fan of streamers. But they do have a very good handle on the mechanics of the game (and rightly so - it is their livelihood afterall). When the game is being so drastically altered that it makes these guys want to quit the game, then something is terribly wrong.
I'm not a huge fan of Deltia but I watched the above and I have to say that what he says makes a LOT of sense. I'm cancelling my sub and avoiding the game for the forseeable future. I'm not paying another cent to ZoS, for them to turn around and literally destroy my characters that I've spent YEARS creating and refining.

@ZoS - get your priorities straight. Stop alienating your playerbase and instead LISTEN to them. But you won't, will you? You just want the money. *sigh*

Sypher just threw in the towl? Thaaaaaaaaaat's a sign.

He's going to For Honor but holy crap, that's two major streamers with major support droppin' like flies, this should be an indicator of how screwed the situation really is.

Doctordarkspawn

ArchMikem wrote: »

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Zos are like parents choosing what clothes there kids should wear, zos knows best

It's their game? Doesn't matter what's best or not, they can do whatever the Hell they want.

This is an arguement that never fails to be stupid.

Yes, they can do whatever they want, but we dont have to like it, and we can take our buisness elsewhere. Free market baby.

Sigma957

Molec wrote: »

Deltia is right, people who stick around here are doing nothing but feeding one greedy ass company and have nobody else to blame except themselves. Leave TESO and level up in real life instead of funding the developers lifestyles! They're nothing but a bunch of leaches who sugar coat the money grab with edgy CGI movies and the illusion of change for the greater good. The community has very little input as proved over these passed 3 years and all the devs want from you is for you to waste your time here until the next wave of cash purchases become available (cosmetics and lottery crates) with the hope you become hooked on them and then spend more real life $$$.

Then why are you here I for one enjoy playing ESO after a hard days work, helps me unwind. All the doomsayers should go and do some testing to see what the changes have done and after all anything on the pts is not set in stone until the final patch.

Illurian

Alcast thinks the class changes are horrendous as well.

Doctordarkspawn

Sigma957 wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

Deltia is right, people who stick around here are doing nothing but feeding one greedy ass company and have nobody else to blame except themselves. Leave TESO and level up in real life instead of funding the developers lifestyles! They're nothing but a bunch of leaches who sugar coat the money grab with edgy CGI movies and the illusion of change for the greater good. The community has very little input as proved over these passed 3 years and all the devs want from you is for you to waste your time here until the next wave of cash purchases become available (cosmetics and lottery crates) with the hope you become hooked on them and then spend more real life $$$.

Then why are you here I for one enjoy playing ESO after a hard days work, helps me unwind. All the doomsayers should go and do some testing to see what the changes have done and after all anything on the pts is not set in stone until the final patch.

Because we care about the game and want to see it do well, and we think these changes are counterproductive to that?

Because we have very real concerns about the direction the game is going, it's buisness practices, want the exposure for the points to be as large as possible and -want- a conversation about alot of the rammifications of continuously designing one way, then limiting your ability to do that, but keep geting told to shut up by half the forum base who dont care to see any dissenting opinion on the game?

It's very self absorbed and nhilistic to assume your way to enjoy ESO, is the only way to enjoy ESO. That you cannot enjoy a product without criticizing it.

Doctordarkspawn

Illurian wrote: »

Alcast thinks the class changes are horrendous as well.

He's absolutely wrong, about the devs btw. They dont lisen even if you are positive. If they want it to stay in the game, it stays. The only way to make them change their minds now is hurting their bottom line.

Sylosi

Kay1 wrote: »

Some people don't understand it.

This guy and others streamers went to their HQ to talk about all the changes coming with Morrowind, to help them balance they asked for feedback and those people went there, wasted their time trying to balance for nothing they didn't listen a single advice from them...

And these streamers/youtubers who are mostly relatively naive kids got told at the time it was a marketing exercise.

Doctordarkspawn

Sylosi wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

Some people don't understand it.

This guy and others streamers went to their HQ to talk about all the changes coming with Morrowind, to help them balance they asked for feedback and those people went there, wasted their time trying to balance for nothing they didn't listen a single advice from them...

And these streamers/youtubers who are mostly relatively naive kids got told at the time it was a marketing exercise.

Pretty much.

ZOS saw the cult of personality that had formed largely around the people who the playerbase saw as 'making the meta' and invited them in to plant the idea they were working with them. It's entirely likely alot of the fallout is -because- these people were told they were going to have a defnate voice in the changes, and this isn't what they asked for.

GreenhaloX

So, there are pro-Deltia supporters and non-supporters. Deltia, you should run for some kind of office. Ha ha. You've already gained some pseudo-political or game celebrity status. Despite what are being said, any reviews (good or bad) from anyone can make an impact for the better or worst. It's about getting your voice heard.

Usually, before purchasing any new game or dlc, I'll check out the reviews first, then if it's from a good named company, I'll test it out myself; actually play it and get the feel for myself if I like the game or not. Don't really need anyone, doesn't matter who you are, to tell me not to play something or to support/not support something. I'll do that on my terms and accord, after making my own assessment. I'll make my own assessment on Morrowind on whether I will purchase it or not. However, reviews from others do help, but you can't really make a fair review on it yet, since it hasn't even been released yet. So, let's see what people will be saying after playing it and posting about it, after release.

MyKillv2.0

Deltia is not quitting the game. He just is having a rage moment because his favorite class is getting nerfed. He is human after all, he is allowed to act like a normal person would act. His actions are no different than a dozen or so other people who do the exact same thing every single time Zo$ changes something and they rush t the forums to announce they are quitting the game.

If he was truely quitting, he would just do it and not tell anyone. Did Sypher ever announce he is quitting? King Richard? Lefty? Not to my knowledge, they just quitting caring and moved on to something that they cared about. Deltia obviously didn't do that. Let the poor Templar grieve and work the rage out of his system like we all do when our class gets nerfed. Soon he will be back making builds that all you guys will copy and paste.

Doctordarkspawn

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

Deltia is not quitting the game. He just is having a rage moment because his favorite class is getting nerfed. He is human after all, he is allowed to act like a normal person would act. His actions are no different than a dozen or so other people who do the exact same thing every single time Zo$ changes something and they rush t the forums to announce they are quitting the game.

If he was truely quitting, he would just do it and not tell anyone. Did Sypher ever announce he is quitting? King Richard? Lefty? Not to my knowledge, they just quitting caring and moved on to something that they cared about. Deltia obviously didn't do that. Let the poor Templar grieve and work the rage out of his system like we all do when our class gets nerfed. Soon he will be back making builds that all you guys will copy and paste.

The center cannot hold.

It's entirely possible he'll go to Swtor, or another game, find he likes it better and drop off the map for a few months. Many do.

faerigirl

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

He's streaming about this now.

This dude is a foul mouthed DB....If he want's to make a difference there are more noble causes than dropping the F bomb every five seconds over a video game.

He could be saying anything in any tone with any language and you'd be hating on him.

Yeah because it's all about the hate...


I interact with several different ESO streamers a couple I completely disagree with, but they can present their argument in a non hysterical way.

You called him a "drama queen twitpilot," whatever that is, in the very first comment you posted in this thread. Your bias against him is obvious. In your case, yeah, it's about the hate.

Whatever dude, he's having a full PTSD melt down on line right now over a video game, I think the guy needs help and I'm not saying that to be a jerk. I can tell you're a fan and if you care about the guy you should be concerned with his well being.

What you fail to understand is that ESO is the livelihood for people like Deltia. It has consumed much of his life for 3 years. Everyday.

You personally are unlikely to ever show such committment or investment.

Deltia has done tremendous work for ZOS. So much in fact that ZOS devs get a twinkle in their eye when he has something to say.

The way you talk about him, anonymous on the internet, makes you look like more of a d-bag.

Do you know him personally?

Deltia is a big boy and I'm sure he could stand up for himself if he gave two craps about what ppl say on a forum.

I mean, you've prob never met this guy and you're standing up for a complete stranger on a message board.

Because I'm a rational human being who can comprehend where Deltia is coming fro..

Exactly.

Do we know him personally? No, but we know him through his writing. He is not writing a novel, his writing is more like technical writing and with that, yes, we can actually 'know' him. From everything I have read on his site he seems to be a well thought out kind of man.

I have recently returned to ESO and spent quite a bit of time reading the internet on different aspects of ESO and found @Deltia work to be top notch. His work is clear and concise and covers a lot of ESO without saying 'this is the only way'.

And before I get flamed with 'play the game to learn' the first thing most everyone says is 'go watch a video before you get in a group ~insert any puggable content here~ So people can't have it both ways /rant on that BS

Doctordarkspawn

faerigirl wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

He's streaming about this now.

This dude is a foul mouthed DB....If he want's to make a difference there are more noble causes than dropping the F bomb every five seconds over a video game.

He could be saying anything in any tone with any language and you'd be hating on him.

Yeah because it's all about the hate...


I interact with several different ESO streamers a couple I completely disagree with, but they can present their argument in a non hysterical way.

You called him a "drama queen twitpilot," whatever that is, in the very first comment you posted in this thread. Your bias against him is obvious. In your case, yeah, it's about the hate.

Whatever dude, he's having a full PTSD melt down on line right now over a video game, I think the guy needs help and I'm not saying that to be a jerk. I can tell you're a fan and if you care about the guy you should be concerned with his well being.

What you fail to understand is that ESO is the livelihood for people like Deltia. It has consumed much of his life for 3 years. Everyday.

You personally are unlikely to ever show such committment or investment.

Deltia has done tremendous work for ZOS. So much in fact that ZOS devs get a twinkle in their eye when he has something to say.

The way you talk about him, anonymous on the internet, makes you look like more of a d-bag.

Do you know him personally?

Deltia is a big boy and I'm sure he could stand up for himself if he gave two craps about what ppl say on a forum.

I mean, you've prob never met this guy and you're standing up for a complete stranger on a message board.

Because I'm a rational human being who can comprehend where Deltia is coming fro..

Exactly.

Do we know him personally? No, but we know him through his writing. He is not writing a novel, his writing is more like technical writing and with that, yes, we can actually 'know' him. From everything I have read on his site he seems to be a well thought out kind of man.

I have recently returned to ESO and spent quite a bit of time reading the internet on different aspects of ESO and found @Deltia work to be top notch. His work is clear and concise and covers a lot of ESO without saying 'this is the only way'.

And before I get flamed with 'play the game to learn' the first thing most everyone says is 'go watch a video before you get in a group ~insert any puggable content here~ So people can't have it both ways /rant on that BS

Basicly this.

People dont want to admit their game is flawed.

Ep1kMalware

ArchMikem wrote: »

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Zos are like parents choosing what clothes there kids should wear, zos knows best

It's their game? Doesn't matter what's best or not, they can do whatever the Hell they want.

You are right, but it is my time, and my money. I will spend them as I see fit. Until morrwind I'm going to live in vma. I'll keep an eye on the pts and hope for the best. But if june hits and this goes live then well,... oh well.1 less subcriber won't hurt zos. Maybe alot will tho. Zos is greedy, if ppl get mad and unsub amd their best promoters are raging then zos will definetly have to adapt, or suffer the income loss.

period.

technohic

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

If ZOS really wants to "shake up the meta," you don't have to do that by nerfing iconic class skills to the ground. The current meta was caused by the champion system and removal of softcaps. Removing CP and putting some type of caps on attributes would be the best way to shake things up.

If you just limited the effect resource pools had on damage/heals/shields, you could get rid of battle spirit and that would really open the game up to some unique builds.

Yeah; I think this irks me most as I could see it coming from all the complaining about permablock, infinitanks, instant heal to fulls, and builds stacked so high in offense with no sustain because they didn't need it giving them an instant kill. You just didn't have that as much in non-CP yet here we are.

Essentially; it seems like what they are doing when they say "This is a nerf if you are above X in stat y, a buff if you are below X; but its a half assed way of doing it and is not clean nor even.

Turelus

Molec wrote: »

Deltia is right, people who stick around here are doing nothing but feeding one greedy ass company and have nobody else to blame except themselves. Leave TESO and level up in real life instead of funding the developers lifestyles! They're nothing but a bunch of leaches who sugar coat the money grab with edgy CGI movies and the illusion of change for the greater good. The community has very little input as proved over these passed 3 years and all the devs want from you is for you to waste your time here until the next wave of cash purchases become available (cosmetics and lottery crates) with the hope you become hooked on them and then spend more real life $$$.

No. I am sticking around because even when I disagree with the changes ZOS makes this game is still an escape for me from my life. I enjoy the game for what it is, and I love the friendships I've formed because of it.
I'm not going to quit because of some balance changes when every other area of the game I enjoy is still amazing.

He and no one here has any right to tell or look down on people if they continue to play or invest into the game.
He's abusing his position by asking his fans to leave/unsub from the game (if it's true he's been pushing that).

People need to stop sheeping after streamers and think for themselves, judge for yourself if this game is worth your time and money and by your own standards. Don't do something just because of someone else's views if you're not willing to question those views yourself.

After all that if this game really isn't for you, then feel free to leave or unsub, but FFS make your own choices in life.

faerigirl

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

faerigirl wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

He's streaming about this now.

This dude is a foul mouthed DB....If he want's to make a difference there are more noble causes than dropping the F bomb every five seconds over a video game.

He could be saying anything in any tone with any language and you'd be hating on him.

Yeah because it's all about the hate...


I interact with several different ESO streamers a couple I completely disagree with, but they can present their argument in a non hysterical way.

You called him a "drama queen twitpilot," whatever that is, in the very first comment you posted in this thread. Your bias against him is obvious. In your case, yeah, it's about the hate.

Whatever dude, he's having a full PTSD melt down on line right now over a video game, I think the guy needs help and I'm not saying that to be a jerk. I can tell you're a fan and if you care about the guy you should be concerned with his well being.

What you fail to understand is that ESO is the livelihood for people like Deltia. It has consumed much of his life for 3 years. Everyday.

You personally are unlikely to ever show such committment or investment.

Deltia has done tremendous work for ZOS. So much in fact that ZOS devs get a twinkle in their eye when he has something to say.

The way you talk about him, anonymous on the internet, makes you look like more of a d-bag.

Do you know him personally?

Deltia is a big boy and I'm sure he could stand up for himself if he gave two craps about what ppl say on a forum.

I mean, you've prob never met this guy and you're standing up for a complete stranger on a message board.

Because I'm a rational human being who can comprehend where Deltia is coming fro..

Exactly.

Do we know him personally? No, but we know him through his writing. He is not writing a novel, his writing is more like technical writing and with that, yes, we can actually 'know' him. From everything I have read on his site he seems to be a well thought out kind of man.

I have recently returned to ESO and spent quite a bit of time reading the internet on different aspects of ESO and found @Deltia work to be top notch. His work is clear and concise and covers a lot of ESO without saying 'this is the only way'.

And before I get flamed with 'play the game to learn' the first thing most everyone says is 'go watch a video before you get in a group ~insert any puggable content here~ So people can't have it both ways /rant on that BS

Basicly this.

People dont want to admit their game is flawed.

ESO is very flawed and has been since I was in alpha and beta testing. They fixed a lot but still have miles to go >.<

ESO is a massive game IMO and trying to learn it without the help of people like @Deltia is hard and you can easily end up with characters that are screwed up enough that they become mules and you feel like you have to start all over again

OR

You end up missing out on some of the best that ESO has to offer.

Doctordarkspawn

Turelus wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

Deltia is right, people who stick around here are doing nothing but feeding one greedy ass company and have nobody else to blame except themselves. Leave TESO and level up in real life instead of funding the developers lifestyles! They're nothing but a bunch of leaches who sugar coat the money grab with edgy CGI movies and the illusion of change for the greater good. The community has very little input as proved over these passed 3 years and all the devs want from you is for you to waste your time here until the next wave of cash purchases become available (cosmetics and lottery crates) with the hope you become hooked on them and then spend more real life $$$.

No. I am sticking around because even when I disagree with the changes ZOS makes this game is still an escape for me from my life. I enjoy the game for what it is, and I love the friendships I've formed because of it.
I'm not going to quit because of some balance changes when every other area of the game I enjoy is still amazing.

He and no one here has any right to tell or look down on people if they continue to play or invest into the game.
He's abusing his position by asking his fans to leave/unsub from the game (if it's true he's been pushing that).

People need to stop sheeping after streamers and think for themselves, judge for yourself if this game is worth your time and money and by your own standards. Don't do something just because of someone else's views if you're not willing to question those views yourself.

After all that if this game really isn't for you, then feel free to leave or unsub, but FFS make your own choices in life.

Exept if they take in everyones opinion and come to the same conclusion as one of those big streamers, right?

Sometimes people really are swayed by someone elses positon, and it's no less valid when they are. Enough double standard.

Majzkatten

Zenimax needs to remember who is paying their salary.

POps75p

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Who is Deltia?

I was lost when I started this game when I came out, he and his site helped me the most, yes others might have a better build but he sure does have a lot of good info on many subject as well on playing the game

http://deltiasgaming.com/

Turelus

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

Deltia is right, people who stick around here are doing nothing but feeding one greedy ass company and have nobody else to blame except themselves. Leave TESO and level up in real life instead of funding the developers lifestyles! They're nothing but a bunch of leaches who sugar coat the money grab with edgy CGI movies and the illusion of change for the greater good. The community has very little input as proved over these passed 3 years and all the devs want from you is for you to waste your time here until the next wave of cash purchases become available (cosmetics and lottery crates) with the hope you become hooked on them and then spend more real life $$$.

No. I am sticking around because even when I disagree with the changes ZOS makes this game is still an escape for me from my life. I enjoy the game for what it is, and I love the friendships I've formed because of it.
I'm not going to quit because of some balance changes when every other area of the game I enjoy is still amazing.

He and no one here has any right to tell or look down on people if they continue to play or invest into the game.
He's abusing his position by asking his fans to leave/unsub from the game (if it's true he's been pushing that).

People need to stop sheeping after streamers and think for themselves, judge for yourself if this game is worth your time and money and by your own standards. Don't do something just because of someone else's views if you're not willing to question those views yourself.

After all that if this game really isn't for you, then feel free to leave or unsub, but FFS make your own choices in life.

Exept if they take in everyones opinion and come to the same conclusion as one of those big streamers, right?

Sometimes people really are swayed by someone elses positon, and it's no less valid when they are. Enough double standard.

That's fine, if they did that 100% perfectly fine.

If you however a streamer says jump and you jump and don't even question why you're jumping... Ugh...

I obviously post heavily opinionated views on the forums and debate from my side of things, but I hope it's never said that I am unwilling to admit I am wrong or concede a point when a better one is made.

I do my best to remain open-minded, which is why I understand all the current issues, am just annoyed and frustrated by the amount of BS being posted and promoted instead of rational thought and debate.