Please disable dueling in cities and around wayshrines
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Floki_Vilgerdarson✭✭✭✭The kids who duel want attention, not top competition. You will not bump into Sypher dueling in the middle of a bunch of guild stores, merchants and wayshrines.
The serious duelists find a place to gather in set locations to minimize lag and other distractions like the baby "wanna be" duelist kids inviting everyone to a duel.
This method avoids mudballs, lag, distractions, mudballs, my horse, mudballs, baby duelusts and more mudballs then my hourse on their body the entire fight.
Thank you for dueling with respect for your fellow players. If you duel in a populated area you are saying you don't respect everyone's right to play the game in peace with lore intact.
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✭✭Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »Although I don't really care whether or not they ban duelling in certain areas (it never really bothered me). I was just thinking how cool it would be if they added big gladiator arenas in the major cities for duelling, hell you can even go into the grandstand and watch if you like.
I believe one already exists in Wrothgar
I've had a brain fart here because I can't think of where your talking about, where abouts in Wrothgar?0 -
MCBIZZLE300✭✭✭✭✭I say let them dual, I like watching some epic battles where two cp600s are going for it and on the flip side I laugh at two level 14s trying to kill each other for about 2 hours but doing no damage.0 -
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✭Yes.. please do. Too much lag around there, and dueling are always going on around there. Need other isolated place or a separate arena for the dueling.2 -
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✭✭✭Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »I dont duel, but I actually love that people do it close to the public from a roleplaying side of it, in real life people get into bar fights, fights over women/men, fights over who has the biggest car (mount) and so on
And it doesn't break your immersion that people can duel right infront of a City Guard without the guard breaking up the brawl in the streets?
See, i believe in being consistent.
When the swath of ganking pve wannabes cried "our immersion is broken and we are psychologically damaged by having to see murders and robbery without ganking them" in pursuit of PVP-vs-injustice content, i said to them the same thing i say to you here:
your immersion is only between your ears and the NPCs and other players should not be bound to whatever floats your immersion boat. You dont have to like what the other players do any more than they like what you do, but you should repect their rights to do it just like they should respect yours. This is different from deliberate interference to cause ill effects, of course.
So, that means that, while i am not a fan of duel clusters at wayshrines and such, i know that the same freedoms to choose my actions in game apply to others and so, i move on.
ZOS has set a limit on duels in an area already to deal at least in part with the lag. if they see a consistent lag related to duel peaks they can lower that to address it.
Tickets asking them to do that, showing videos and what not to help them identify key times and places, likely will have better result than immersion for me threads will.
my bet is its more than just the duels at play as if this had been a dueling thing it would have been easily trackable to the days when duel launched.
Duels are just something thats highly visible - correlation not necessarily equal to causation - especially when the thing being seen is annoying to the observer and so bias is present.
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Dark_Aether✭✭✭✭Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »The kids who duel want attention, not top competition. You will not bump into Sypher dueling in the middle of a bunch of guild stores, merchants and wayshrines.
The serious duelists find a place to gather in set locations to minimize lag and other distractions like the baby "wanna be" duelist kids inviting everyone to a duel.
This method avoids mudballs, lag, distractions, mudballs, my horse, mudballs, baby duelusts and more mudballs then my hourse on their body the entire fight.
Thank you for dueling with respect for your fellow players. If you duel in a populated area you are saying you don't respect everyone's right to play the game in peace with lore intact.
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Don't be so short sighted. Some people actually duel for fun while waiting for pledge/trial to start. The fact that you used "serious duelists" for a game so imbalance is a joke.
BTW, where is your Sypher? Seems like you won't bump into him at all.Edited by Dark_Aether on March 31, 2017 1:19PM1 -
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I still say, let it be enabled, but make it illegal, with guards putting down the foot of the law on all and any who would duel within city limits in defiance of the cardinals law...Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »Please disable dueling in cities and around wayshrines
...oh, wait, wrong universe... but the basic premise is still a valid clichee, so let's go for it, and make the guard react to duellings, arrest all the duellers, fine them, maybe rough them up a little as well...
After all, more then enough places to duel otherwise, yes? And more could be opened - from the hall of trials in Windhelm to several arenas we visit in diverse quests... once you get done with their quest-related use, the locations could be made available for duelling location options, right?
Oh, and add an feature that makes people auto-accept duel requests for say 20 seconds after they take an treasure chest or resource. You know, for those loot stealers...
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Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭Let's ask the Elder Scrolls lore.
Hey Elder Scrolls Lore! In your world, when people have a problem with anyone else, do you think even murderers wake up said folk and say "hey, I want to kill you, meet me outside them city walls" or.. Do they just do it?
Also, hey ES lore, if someone wants to fight, do you think the same thing happens? They ask the other person to meet somewhere outside the walls? Neh, they just do it right then and there.
Seems accurate to me.Edited by Eshelmen on March 31, 2017 2:37PMPC and PS4 EP only player2 -
Floki_Vilgerdarson✭✭✭✭Dark_Aether wrote: »Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »The kids who duel want attention, not top competition. You will not bump into Sypher dueling in the middle of a bunch of guild stores, merchants and wayshrines.
The serious duelists find a place to gather in set locations to minimize lag and other distractions like the baby "wanna be" duelist kids inviting everyone to a duel.
This method avoids mudballs, lag, distractions, mudballs, my horse, mudballs, baby duelusts and more mudballs then my hourse on their body the entire fight.
Thank you for dueling with respect for your fellow players. If you duel in a populated area you are saying you don't respect everyone's right to play the game in peace with lore intact.
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Don't be so short sighted. Some people actually duel for fun while waiting for pledge/trial to start. The fact that you used "serious duelists" for a game so imbalance is a joke.
BTW, where is your Sypher? Seems like you won't bump into him at all.
Work on your English please and then try again. What is "..a game so imbalance is a joke." ?Edited by Floki_Vilgerdarson on March 31, 2017 8:03PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭Let's ask the Elder Scrolls lore.
Hey Elder Scrolls Lore! In your world, when people have a problem with anyone else, do you think even murderers wake up said folk and say "hey, I want to kill you, meet me outside them city walls" or.. Do they just do it?
Also, hey ES lore, if someone wants to fight, do you think the same thing happens? They ask the other person to meet somewhere outside the walls? Neh, they just do it right then and there.
Seems accurate to me.
In our world, if duelsTheShadowScout wrote: »
I still say, let it be enabled, but make it illegal, with guards putting down the foot of the law on all and any who would duel within city limits in defiance of the cardinals law...Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »Please disable dueling in cities and around wayshrines
...oh, wait, wrong universe... but the basic premise is still a valid clichee, so let's go for it, and make the guard react to duellings, arrest all the duellers, fine them, maybe rough them up a little as well...
After all, more then enough places to duel otherwise, yes? And more could be opened - from the hall of trials in Windhelm to several arenas we visit in diverse quests... once you get done with their quest-related use, the locations could be made available for duelling location options, right?
Oh, and add an feature that makes people auto-accept duel requests for say 20 seconds after they take an treasure chest or resource. You know, for those loot stealers...
Duels were definitely pre-arranged and at reasonable locations in Dumas books. Also in Sabatini books; the theater duel in Scaramouche was a movie invention.
The theater/ballad duel (right after the nose speech) in Cyrano de Bergerac is a counterexample, but generally I think duels in fiction and reality tended to be at arranged, open locations.
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✭✭Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »The kids who duel want attention, not top competition. You will not bump into Sypher dueling in the middle of a bunch of guild stores, merchants and wayshrines.
The serious duelists find a place to gather in set locations to minimize lag and other distractions like the baby "wanna be" duelist kids inviting everyone to a duel.
This method avoids mudballs, lag, distractions, mudballs, my horse, mudballs, baby duelusts and more mudballs then my hourse on their body the entire fight.
Thank you for dueling with respect for your fellow players. If you duel in a populated area you are saying you don't respect everyone's right to play the game in peace with lore intact.
MUDBALLS and HORSES
With lore intact? Lmao! How does dueling go against lore. Immersion maybe, but lore? In Skyrim you could have a mage come challenge you to a duel in whatever town you happened to be in. Did that break the lore?PC/EU DC1 -
Floki_Vilgerdarson✭✭✭✭Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »The kids who duel want attention, not top competition. You will not bump into Sypher dueling in the middle of a bunch of guild stores, merchants and wayshrines.
The serious duelists find a place to gather in set locations to minimize lag and other distractions like the baby "wanna be" duelist kids inviting everyone to a duel.
This method avoids mudballs, lag, distractions, mudballs, my horse, mudballs, baby duelusts and more mudballs then my hourse on their body the entire fight.
Thank you for dueling with respect for your fellow players. If you duel in a populated area you are saying you don't respect everyone's right to play the game in peace with lore intact.
MUDBALLS and HORSES
With lore intact? Lmao! How does dueling go against lore. Immersion maybe, but lore? In Skyrim you could have a mage come challenge you to a duel in whatever town you happened to be in. Did that break the lore?
A mage challenges you once in Skyrim because he is weak and an appretice mage. Just like the baby duel kids.
The true Duelist in Skyrim is The Ebony Warrior who comes to challange you when you are a high rank. He tells you he has seen and done it all. He then tells you to PREPARE for a duel with him way up in the mountains. No witnesses, just too warriors with honor and code.
Having a baby players cause noise and fight with 4 or 5 fights going at once in the center of Mournhold is nothing like Skyrim.
Keep trying, but your baby duels will get restricted from cities and markets very soon a little bird told me. ; )
MUDBALLS and HORSESEdited by Floki_Vilgerdarson on March 31, 2017 11:08PM2 -
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✭✭Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »The kids who duel want attention, not top competition. You will not bump into Sypher dueling in the middle of a bunch of guild stores, merchants and wayshrines.
The serious duelists find a place to gather in set locations to minimize lag and other distractions like the baby "wanna be" duelist kids inviting everyone to a duel.
This method avoids mudballs, lag, distractions, mudballs, my horse, mudballs, baby duelusts and more mudballs then my hourse on their body the entire fight.
Thank you for dueling with respect for your fellow players. If you duel in a populated area you are saying you don't respect everyone's right to play the game in peace with lore intact.
MUDBALLS and HORSES
With lore intact? Lmao! How does dueling go against lore. Immersion maybe, but lore? In Skyrim you could have a mage come challenge you to a duel in whatever town you happened to be in. Did that break the lore?
A mage challenges you once in Skyrim because he is weak and an appretice mage. Just like the baby duel kids.
The true Duelist in Skyrim is The Ebony Warrior who comes to challange you when you are a high rank. He tells you he has seen and done it all. He then tells you to PREPARE for a duel with him way up in the mountains. No witnesses, just too warriors with honor and code.
Having a baby players cause noise and fight with 4 or 5 fights going at once in the center of Mournhold is nothing like Skyrim.
Keep trying, but your baby duels will get restricted from cities and markets very soon a little bird told me. ; )
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I don't duel in towns, but good try. You still didn't anwser how it is lore breaking? I gave you an example of a duel happening in a city in a single player game. This shows that dueling in cities is supported by previous game material. This would make it lore appropriate. For it to go against lore it would have to be written somewhere that "baby duels" never happen, are simply not a thing that is possible in this universe, and/or if they ever did are met with the swiftest justice. Otherwise it is simply immersion breaking because you believe people shouldn't be allowed to duel in a peaceful city.
You can keep calling the duelers babies, most PvPers have heard quite worse before.PC/EU DC3 -
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✭ZOS just need to host some duelling events somewhere else, then all those duelling enthusiasts will be gone.Pc na0 -
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✭✭ZOS just need to host some duelling events somewhere else, then all those duelling enthusiasts will be gone.
If they had put a wayshrine, undaunted enclave, banker and a respec shrine at the Hammerdeath arena, 90% of these problems could be gone. People duel where they can find people. They can find people in the major cities that have these utilities available.PC/EU DC4 -
Shadow_Viper_vX✭✭✭✭✭Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »The kids who duel want attention, not top competition. You will not bump into Sypher dueling in the middle of a bunch of guild stores, merchants and wayshrines.
The serious duelists find a place to gather in set locations to minimize lag and other distractions like the baby "wanna be" duelist kids inviting everyone to a duel.
This method avoids mudballs, lag, distractions, mudballs, my horse, mudballs, baby duelusts and more mudballs then my hourse on their body the entire fight.
Thank you for dueling with respect for your fellow players. If you duel in a populated area you are saying you don't respect everyone's right to play the game in peace with lore intact.
MUDBALLS and HORSES
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We would be better off with designated places for duels. Arena duels would be a nice diversion with PVP. (Should've been added with the DB and Kvatch.) It would be even better if we could queue for duels. Having a designated place with incentives (or even a skill line) would cut down on all the public duels.Proud Player of The Elder Bank Screen Online.
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Cêltic421✭✭✭✭Stop all the Dueling at the undaunted area. Alot of people already just standing there and with dueling there takes the npc forever to render.2
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That mudball and chill life.Lieblingsjunge wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »If somebody duels in a place where they shouldn't -- because it's otherwise too busy -- I often stand in the dueling circle, on horseback, or otherwise mildly grief them.
I hope you are aware of the fact that such offences are reportable, and eventually will lead to a temporarely ban. This is the same griefing people had, when players threw mud-balls on people that was dyeing their gear/costumes. People got punished for that & people will get punished for griefing duels, too.
Not if the place they choose to duel is itself causing grief.
The rest of the game isn't obligated to vacate a crafting hub just because a few super stars can't find the common decency to duel outside.
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klowdy1✭✭✭✭✭I get a duel request almost every time I port into a city with people, and half the time I accept thinking it's my dungeon queue, and usually mount up and ride off before I realize what I've done, lol. Seriously though, if only there was a place in the world where everyone that wanted to PvP could go and kill each other, over and over. If only...hmmmm.5 -
Shadow_Viper_vX✭✭✭✭✭Spottswoode wrote: »Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »And other busy areas. The lag on consoles at peak times is getting out of hand.
We would be better off with designated places for duels. Arena duels would be a nice diversion with PVP. (Should've been added with the DB and Kvatch.) It would be even better if we could queue for duels. Having a designated place with incentives (or even a skill line) would cut down on all the public duels.
Awesome idea
Disable dueling in cities/busy areas, while at the same time adding bonuses to dueling in arenas.
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✭ZOS needs to do something to actually incentivizes people dueling in other locations like Hammerdeath Arena. Until there's a way for duelers to find sparring partners without needing to go to cities, it's not really fair to force them out of the only places they can find people.
They could send them to their own instance for the duel...
or me.
Oh yes let's add yet another load screen, actually 2 load screens one for entering and one for leaving.
I actually don't see all this dueling people talk about. I definitely don't get extreme lag from it.
It was just an idea. On PS4, performance has become increasingly worse since console launch. Frame rates are iffy and NPCs and objects take forever to load when entering a zone. It used to not be like that before the dueling and Tamriel: Overcrowded Edition.
I don't understand why the guards don't get involved and attack the duelers for disturbing the peace. That would certainly discourage it from happening on top of wayshrines in the cities.
That's your console, since I have the Pro I instantly load all the NPCs and the lag, I don't even know what it is anymore, I don't even get FPS drops in big battles and that surprised me a lot the first days, I only get disconnected like everyone but beside that everything work just perfect.K1 The Big Monkey0 -
djdc1234✭✭✭Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »And other busy areas. The lag on consoles at peak times is getting out of hand.
I agree Fully allowing duels near shrines and busy spots just makes more lag and problems, 30 to 50 Meter dead zone around spots2 -
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✭The guards should definitely intervene in duels in their patrol routes. If you want to duel, take it behind the stable!Lethal zergling2 -
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Maybe we should be organizing mobs to go and crowd around the duelling banners when they go up and just follow the combatants around.FrancisCrawford wrote: »If somebody duels in a place where they shouldn't -- because it's otherwise too busy -- I often stand in the dueling circle, on horseback, or otherwise mildly grief them.
We have just as much right to stand anywhere we want as they have to duel anywhere they want.Australian on PS4 NA server.
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✭✭✭✭✭Dark_Aether wrote: »The world we live in. "I don't like it so no one should have the freedom to do it!"
The world we live in. "I'll do whatever I want and I don't care if it disturbs others. Because I can. My freedom".
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