ChaosWotan wrote: »

Used about $100 on the new crown crates, and basically got nothing. Only two non-apex mounts. Last time I got 3 apex mounts from the same numbers of crates, and several non-apex mounts. I know this is a gamble, and don't mind supporting ESO in any case, but a bit curious if the RNG is worse this time.

Still got enough crown gems to buy one apex mounts. I knew I would get enough gems to buy one such mount, so took this into consideration before playing the cards.

spent 40 and got 2 of them, its all about RNG its a risk we take when we spend money on it. much like a casino.

Sorry if my comment offends some. But if the shoe fits you wear it. There are a lot of idiot's playing this game. Who would announce they spent $100 dollars on the new crown crates and got nothing. Then say oh well it was worth it because they got enough crown gems to get one of the apex mounts. Anyone who believes spending 100 bucks on the crates was a deal to be able to get one of the new apex mounts must be a compulsive gambler in real life and needing some serious help.

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ChaosWotan wrote: »

I don't think ESO is scaming us. The company seems honest and solid.

I also got the black panther mount. Which I have wanted for a really long time, so I'm happy enough.

But don't buy crown crates unless you consider ESO a genuine hobby. A hundred bucks on crown crates is not that much compared to how much other hobbies often cost. But it's only from that perspective that this makes sense, because otherwise it's insane to pay $100 on a cosmetic mount. It's more than the whole game costs

ESO is a hobby I'm happy to spend money on. So is target shooting. But when I spend $100 on bullets they need to be the right kind or they're useless to me. I wouldn't walk out of the store with whatever random assortment the clerk hands me. That would be insane. I feel the same about spending money on my ESO hobby.

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Exactly right. Honestly, my delivery is sometimes poor, but in the end my opposition to all of the crown store ploys is not because I hate the game or want to insult other players. My main concern is the fear that all of these things will lead to the eventual ruin of the game. The game itself I love, I just don't like that it is wrapped up in a in app purchase model, these models ALWAYS end the same, fast profits for the company, eventual dissatisfaction of the player base to the point where most players leave.

I don't want eso to fold up like the vast majority of other in app purchase games. I want it to have a long life, because I enjoy the game, and have been a TES fan since Arena. I'm not saying quick turn of profit makes ZOS unique or worse than any other corporation out there nowadays, but it honestly sickens me that these corporate tactics have reached the gaming industry, especially a franchise I've loved my whole life.

I feel the very same. Because in and on itself, I do really like this game and I enjoy playing it and I want to continue to do so.
For the very same reason I do have little qualms about dropping some of my money on stuff from the itemshop - at least as long as I feel like I get my moneys worth. I get cool stuff I want, keep playing because I feel like a valued customer and they potentially get a lot of money from me (If my transaction history of wow would be an adequate example) - make me feel like I'm some sort of anthromorphic wallet to be drained and nothing more, they'll still get SOME money, because I am weak, but ultimately only a fraction of what could be.

I am afraid this is what happens when it's no longer developers who are passionate about gaming and their games who make the decisions, but people in suits that propably never even touched a game.

ADarklore wrote: »

At least you get Gems for any duplicates and can turn consumables in for Gems as well... so it's not like you got nothing but dupes.

I have no problem with ZOS coming up with ways to make money. The overhead costs of running a world-wide MMO has to be intense, let alone the cost of creating new content... developers I'm sure make a very nice salary... nothing is made for free, and yes, the company AND its investors deserve to have receive an income too; without investors there would be no games.
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This is true, and I am not saying I do get nothing in return - because I do! But for me, it's about... how much value I _feel_ I get for my money. And with the current exchangerate, I do not feel good about it, and ultimately, this is what counts for me.

And as I mentioned above - I have no problem with them making money either. I do want them to get a good salary, to be able to keep the servers running and to make new and additional content. But I do not want them to be greedy about it, which feels that way to me simply because they used a system that feels scummy.

I think there are a lot of different ways to make more money out of the itemshop without turning to shifty practises.

"ESO is a hobby I'm happy to spend money on. So is target shooting. But when I spend $100 on bullets they need to be the right kind or they're useless to me. I wouldn't walk out of the store with whatever random assortment the clerk hands me. That would be insane. I feel the same about spending money on my ESO hobby."

As already mentioned, I knew I would get enough crown gems to get one apex mount, and it turned out that I also got the black panther, and had enough gems to buy the non-apex doom wolf, which I have always wanted since I saw it the first time. If I had been lucky on the gamble itself, I might have got two extra apex mounts, like I did last time.

The crown store is 50% gambling, 50% regular payment for items. Only buy crates if you first see items in the store that you really want, so that you don't feel "cheated" if the gamble doesn't work in your favour.

Agree, however, that crates are so expensive that it creates a divide between a minority which can afford it, and the majority which will probably get a bad vibe toward ESO when they can't have the same cool items, at that price, a price which really is insane in itself, unless you have ESO as one of your main hobbies (and a $2000 -$3000 gaming rig perhaps).

All this money from crates! They probably have enough for the next 7 Chapters! Ah, and also this time funding more airplane tickets for even more streamers to go and test each Chapter! Maybe an ESOCon too! Keep supporting the game guys GJ!

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

When the normally good-natured and cheerful @SantieClaws warns you about something, you might want to at least pause and think about it ...

PAWS: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3407528/#Comment_3407528

Yes, people are against the crates, others are for them. We get it. Are we really going to have 500 threads and 75 pages on each one saying the same things over and over again?

I wonder how many ppl with PAWS in their name have actually bought a crate...or 10... or even 15. I was against them, but I used crows that I had saved and bought a pack. Got some cool stuff and didn't buy anymore.

But if this turns into the moral police and trying to stop people from "gambling addictions" in the game, eventually people will tune you out because they are tired of hearing the same thing. Please understand I am a huge fan of this game and I do not wanna see it go down that path, but maybe it will not, only time will tell.

ADarklore wrote: »

I have no problem with ZOS coming up with ways to make money. The overhead costs of running a world-wide MMO has to be intense, let alone the cost of creating new content... developers I'm sure make a very nice salary... nothing is made for free, and yes, the company AND its investors deserve to have receive an income too; without investors there would be no games.

Gambling is unquestionably an unethical practice (it preys on human vulnerability). But our society has engaged in it for thousands of years. We have entire cities dedicated to it. 90% of games today include some form of RNG crates.

ZOS isn't "evil" for utilizing a money making method that is accepted in our society and widely used by its competitors.

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Yes, "You can't fix stupid"... after all, why spend money on something that gets you weeks, months or years worth of entertainment when you can spend money on pizza and alcohol that lasts a few hours. Go figure.

Gambling is always a bad deal. That's why some consider it a "stupid" investment.

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

100 bucks wasted on cosmetic pixels that didnt deliver.....
Priorities of some people xd

I wonder how much people here spend on Starbucks? or fast food? 50$ I went with my buddy to see Deadpool. Was it worth it? Yes it was.

Can people spend that much on a crown crate? Yes they can. Its all up to who is spending it.

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

When the normally good-natured and cheerful @SantieClaws warns you about something, you might want to at least pause and think about it ...

PAWS: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3407528/#Comment_3407528

Yes, people are against the crates, others are for them. We get it. Are we really going to have 500 threads and 75 pages on each one saying the same things over and over again?

I wonder how many ppl with PAWS in their name have actually bought a crate...or 10... or even 15. I was against them, but I used crows that I had saved and bought a pack. Got some cool stuff and didn't buy anymore.

But if this turns into the moral police and trying to stop people from "gambling addictions" in the game, eventually people will tune you out because they are tired of hearing the same thing. Please understand I am a huge fan of this game and I do not wanna see it go down that path, but maybe it will not, only time will tell.

Actually, most of the threads aren't started by the anti crate moral police, and by the way, can I see some id son? (That was a joke, so please no one jump down my throat). The majority of the threads are started by, "oh look at this shinie I just got for only $150 worth of crates!" People. I know in your world, you'd like people that don't like them to just stay out, but we do have a right to voice opposing opinions. As for crate purchases, I actually have bought some, in the first round, to test it out and see what kind of value was inherent in the crates. I bought 90 crates. My only opinion after the purchase was that it was not worth it.

Just because I have an opinion that is opposite to someone else, doesn't make me moral police, a gambling addiction preacher, and honestly, if people are tired of hearing the same old thing, how tired do you think we are at hearing how happy people are to get a mount for $100. It goes both ways, that's how opposition works, you don't like hearing my opinions, but I don't like yours either. That's life.

At least, there is one thing in your post I can wholly agree with, and I think everyone on these forums has interest in, and that is preserving the future of the game we love, albeit from different directions of philosophy.

So all that said, here is to eso having a long life, regardless of which side of the argument is "right".

ChaosWotan wrote: »

A hundred bucks on crown crates is not that much compared to how much other hobbies often cost.

Most hobbies give you a hundred bucks worth of something in return for your hundred bucks, even if it's something ephemeral like "fun". This game gives you nothing. I make enough of a good living that I could buy crown crates till the cows come home and not worry about it at all, but I would never do something so ridiculous as to buy even one. It's almost exactly the same thing as flushing a hundred bucks down the toilet.