51 crown crates = zero apex rewards

ADarklore

KingYogi415 wrote: »

To all the OP bashers. Some people are used to spending 50$ at a bar in an average night.

Entertainment is reletive. And if your going to be watching this mount for over 100 hours it not really money wasted.

Even a 300$ belt can be worth it value if you wear it 300+ days.

^THIS! Funny how people are against Crown Crates because, "you don't always get what you want"... but isn't that a fact of life? Sometimes you apply for a job that doesn't turn out to be what you wanted or expected, sometimes you buy a car that turns out to be a lemon, LIFE is all about gambling whether we like to admit it or not.

As noted above, entertainment is relative, and yet some people find it OK to go out and spend $100+ for a night of drinking 'entertainment' to have no further entertainment beyond those few hours, but then they rant about someone spending $100 for something they'll spend hundreds of hours receiving entertainment from. Go figure.

I bought 3@15-packs and received no mount but ended up with enough gems to buy everything from the crates that I wanted.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Just once I'd like to see a mount or pet or something else nice in the actual game I already support each month. Just once I'd like to see some new *** to collect and find, but not find it in the crown store.

This.

All The Best

Woopy

Opened 4 - got a soul-shriven mount and a memento.

ThePaleItalian

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

When the normally good-natured and cheerful @SantieClaws warns you about something, you might want to at least pause and think about it ...

PAWS: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3407528/#Comment_3407528

Yes, people are against the crates, others are for them. We get it. Are we really going to have 500 threads and 75 pages on each one saying the same things over and over again?

I wonder how many ppl with PAWS in their name have actually bought a crate...or 10... or even 15. I was against them, but I used crowns that I had saved and bought a pack. Got some cool stuff and didn't buy anymore.

But if this turns into the moral police and trying to stop people from "gambling addictions" in the game, eventually people will tune you out because they are tired of hearing the same thing. Please understand I am a huge fan of this game and I do not wanna see it go down that path, but maybe it will not, only time will tell.

Actually, most of the threads aren't started by the anti crate moral police, and by the way, can I see some id son? (That was a joke, so please no one jump down my throat). The majority of the threads are started by, "oh look at this shinie I just got for only $150 worth of crates!" People. I know in your world, you'd like people that don't like them to just stay out, but we do have a right to voice opposing opinions. As for crate purchases, I actually have bought some, in the first round, to test it out and see what kind of value was inherent in the crates. I bought 90 crates. My only opinion after the purchase was that it was not worth it.

Just because I have an opinion that is opposite to someone else, doesn't make me moral police, a gambling addiction preacher, and honestly, if people are tired of hearing the same old thing, how tired do you think we are at hearing how happy people are to get a mount for $100. It goes both ways, that's how opposition works, you don't like hearing my opinions, but I don't like yours either. That's life.

At least, there is one thing in your post I can wholly agree with, and I think everyone on these forums has interest in, and that is preserving the future of the game we love, albeit from different directions of philosophy.

So all that said, here is to eso having a long life, regardless of which side of the argument is "right".

Well..... I didn't even quote you.... but OK. I guess we will go with it. I do not mind the opinions. Some of them of very valid. I agree that I do not want to see just a bunch of stuff thrown in crown crates and the rest of the game becomes a busted shell.

My issue is when people start the whole "people with gambling addictions" argument. Hate the crates, love the crates, but when it gets to that point, that is when people roll there eyes and it becomes a joke.

Ailurophobia, its the fear of cats... should be take Khajiits out of the game? No. See how ridiculous my argument is?

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

100 bucks wasted on cosmetic pixels that didnt deliver.....
Priorities of some people xd

I wonder how much people here spend on Starbucks? or fast food? 50$ I went with my buddy to see Deadpool. Was it worth it? Yes it was.

Can people spend that much on a crown crate? Yes they can. Its all up to who is spending it.

The difference is you get some tangible substance from part of your analogy. And the best part is you get to see your money later as it departs you.

Also, when you spend 50 dollars at fast food joints, the only gambling involved is how fast it comes out of you. It's not like you open food crates and all you get is ketchup packets and the ultimate prize of a water cup that you know you'll fill with soda.

But people feel they get the same tangible experience and satisfaction from having some pixels in game. Its all about the individual. I totally understand the gambling side of it. I get why people are mad. But they are here and they are going to continue to be.

If someone spends 50$ on coffee and fast food because they enjoy it, why it is wrong for someone to spend 50$ on a crown crate? Is it because you feel it is morally wrong? Or wrong for the game?

If that is the case, I understand your concerns, but it isn't anyones' place to tell anyone what they are doing is wrong, just because we don't agree with it.

LordTareq

"If at first you don't succeed, Mr. Kidd", "Try, try again, Mr. Wint."

kyle.wilson

ChaosWotan wrote: »

Used about $100 on the new crown crates, and basically got nothing. Only two non-apex mounts. Last time I got 3 apex mounts from the same numbers of crates, and several non-apex mounts. I know this is a gamble, and don't mind supporting ESO in any case, but a bit curious if the RNG is worse this time.

Still got enough crown gems to buy one apex mounts. I knew I would get enough gems to buy one such mount, so took this into consideration before playing the cards.

WalkingLegacy

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

When the normally good-natured and cheerful @SantieClaws warns you about something, you might want to at least pause and think about it ...

PAWS: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3407528/#Comment_3407528

Yes, people are against the crates, others are for them. We get it. Are we really going to have 500 threads and 75 pages on each one saying the same things over and over again?

I wonder how many ppl with PAWS in their name have actually bought a crate...or 10... or even 15. I was against them, but I used crowns that I had saved and bought a pack. Got some cool stuff and didn't buy anymore.

But if this turns into the moral police and trying to stop people from "gambling addictions" in the game, eventually people will tune you out because they are tired of hearing the same thing. Please understand I am a huge fan of this game and I do not wanna see it go down that path, but maybe it will not, only time will tell.

Actually, most of the threads aren't started by the anti crate moral police, and by the way, can I see some id son? (That was a joke, so please no one jump down my throat). The majority of the threads are started by, "oh look at this shinie I just got for only $150 worth of crates!" People. I know in your world, you'd like people that don't like them to just stay out, but we do have a right to voice opposing opinions. As for crate purchases, I actually have bought some, in the first round, to test it out and see what kind of value was inherent in the crates. I bought 90 crates. My only opinion after the purchase was that it was not worth it.

Just because I have an opinion that is opposite to someone else, doesn't make me moral police, a gambling addiction preacher, and honestly, if people are tired of hearing the same old thing, how tired do you think we are at hearing how happy people are to get a mount for $100. It goes both ways, that's how opposition works, you don't like hearing my opinions, but I don't like yours either. That's life.

At least, there is one thing in your post I can wholly agree with, and I think everyone on these forums has interest in, and that is preserving the future of the game we love, albeit from different directions of philosophy.

So all that said, here is to eso having a long life, regardless of which side of the argument is "right".

Well..... I didn't even quote you.... but OK. I guess we will go with it. I do not mind the opinions. Some of them of very valid. I agree that I do not want to see just a bunch of stuff thrown in crown crates and the rest of the game becomes a busted shell.

My issue is when people start the whole "people with gambling addictions" argument. Hate the crates, love the crates, but when it gets to that point, that is when people roll there eyes and it becomes a joke.

Ailurophobia, its the fear of cats... should be take Khajiits out of the game? No. See how ridiculous my argument is?

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

100 bucks wasted on cosmetic pixels that didnt deliver.....
Priorities of some people xd

I wonder how much people here spend on Starbucks? or fast food? 50$ I went with my buddy to see Deadpool. Was it worth it? Yes it was.

Can people spend that much on a crown crate? Yes they can. Its all up to who is spending it.

The difference is you get some tangible substance from part of your analogy. And the best part is you get to see your money later as it departs you.

Also, when you spend 50 dollars at fast food joints, the only gambling involved is how fast it comes out of you. It's not like you open food crates and all you get is ketchup packets and the ultimate prize of a water cup that you know you'll fill with soda.

But people feel they get the same tangible experience and satisfaction from having some pixels in game. Its all about the individual. I totally understand the gambling side of it. I get why people are mad. But they are here and they are going to continue to be.

If someone spends 50$ on coffee and fast food because they enjoy it, why it is wrong for someone to spend 50$ on a crown crate? Is it because you feel it is morally wrong? Or wrong for the game?

If that is the case, I understand your concerns, but it isn't anyones' place to tell anyone what they are doing is wrong, just because we don't agree with it.

I'm merely pointing out that difference.

Crown crates are a gamble. I'm not arguing against people buying them. People will do what they want.

I'm just stating your analogy is not good. Hence my joke on the fast food. I don't give them 50 bucks with the hope I roll good RNG and get 2 double hamburgers. I know exactly what my 50 bucks gets me

PlaceboSoul

Totally not why I'm against crown crates. A lot of the spending defense is based in relation to hobby spending. But ZOS is being avaricious in their use of the crown store, over and above.

A lot of hobbies, you pay membership dues, join a club, enjoy your hobby. If you need hardware or parts for the hobby you buy them.

With eso under its current model, if I compare it to a hobby, I already pay membership dues once a month, I can join whatever guild I want in game, and then enjoy right? Well not quite, because I have already paid for all the hardware and equipment I need for my hobby, I bought an Xbox, I pay my internet bill, I have a tv, and I sub to Xbox live. But after I think I've got all my necessary purchases out of the way for my hobby, and I pay my sub monthly, ZOS still wants more.

Ok, fair enough, crown purchases are optional, and only cosmetic. Yes, you're right, BUT ALL of the cosmetic and aesthetic items and modifications are in the crown store, there are none in game. So when is it enough in this hobby? When does ZOS have enough? That's my issue. I want ZOS to do well with and because of eso, I want them to make money, be profitable, etc. But honestly the way they use this model, it's just greedy.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Totally not why I'm against crown crates. A lot of the spending defense is based in relation to hobby spending. But ZOS is being avaricious in their use of the crown store, over and above.

A lot of hobbies, you pay membership dues, join a club, enjoy your hobby. If you need hardware or parts for the hobby you buy them.

With eso under its current model, if I compare it to a hobby, I already pay membership dues once a month, I can join whatever guild I want in game, and then enjoy right? Well not quite, because I have already paid for all the hardware and equipment I need for my hobby, I bought an Xbox, I pay my internet bill, I have a tv, and I sub to Xbox live. But after I think I've got all my necessary purchases out of the way for my hobby, and I pay my sub monthly, ZOS still wants more.

Ok, fair enough, crown purchases are optional, and only cosmetic. Yes, you're right, BUT ALL of the cosmetic and aesthetic items and modifications are in the crown store, there are none in game. So when is it enough in this hobby? When does ZOS have enough? That's my issue. I want ZOS to do well with and because of eso, I want them to make money, be profitable, etc. But honestly the way they use this model, it's just greedy.

And it eventually turns players away from a game.
The greed sours the player - company relationship.
Especially if the "main game" under delivers for any length of time.
Which it will, because Crown Crate Crap is cheaper to produce than real content - so eventually less effort and resources is spent on real content and ever more "fluff" is stuffed into rigged gambling boxes.


SWTOR had this same model, implemented by the same person I believe, and right now the Player/Company relationship in SWTOR is as toxic as any such relationship I have seen - SWTOR's avarice is eclipsed by ZOS's.

All The Best

ThePaleItalian

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

When the normally good-natured and cheerful @SantieClaws warns you about something, you might want to at least pause and think about it ...

PAWS: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3407528/#Comment_3407528

Yes, people are against the crates, others are for them. We get it. Are we really going to have 500 threads and 75 pages on each one saying the same things over and over again?

I wonder how many ppl with PAWS in their name have actually bought a crate...or 10... or even 15. I was against them, but I used crowns that I had saved and bought a pack. Got some cool stuff and didn't buy anymore.

But if this turns into the moral police and trying to stop people from "gambling addictions" in the game, eventually people will tune you out because they are tired of hearing the same thing. Please understand I am a huge fan of this game and I do not wanna see it go down that path, but maybe it will not, only time will tell.

Actually, most of the threads aren't started by the anti crate moral police, and by the way, can I see some id son? (That was a joke, so please no one jump down my throat). The majority of the threads are started by, "oh look at this shinie I just got for only $150 worth of crates!" People. I know in your world, you'd like people that don't like them to just stay out, but we do have a right to voice opposing opinions. As for crate purchases, I actually have bought some, in the first round, to test it out and see what kind of value was inherent in the crates. I bought 90 crates. My only opinion after the purchase was that it was not worth it.

Just because I have an opinion that is opposite to someone else, doesn't make me moral police, a gambling addiction preacher, and honestly, if people are tired of hearing the same old thing, how tired do you think we are at hearing how happy people are to get a mount for $100. It goes both ways, that's how opposition works, you don't like hearing my opinions, but I don't like yours either. That's life.

At least, there is one thing in your post I can wholly agree with, and I think everyone on these forums has interest in, and that is preserving the future of the game we love, albeit from different directions of philosophy.

So all that said, here is to eso having a long life, regardless of which side of the argument is "right".

Well..... I didn't even quote you.... but OK. I guess we will go with it. I do not mind the opinions. Some of them of very valid. I agree that I do not want to see just a bunch of stuff thrown in crown crates and the rest of the game becomes a busted shell.

My issue is when people start the whole "people with gambling addictions" argument. Hate the crates, love the crates, but when it gets to that point, that is when people roll there eyes and it becomes a joke.

Ailurophobia, its the fear of cats... should be take Khajiits out of the game? No. See how ridiculous my argument is?

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

100 bucks wasted on cosmetic pixels that didnt deliver.....
Priorities of some people xd

I wonder how much people here spend on Starbucks? or fast food? 50$ I went with my buddy to see Deadpool. Was it worth it? Yes it was.

Can people spend that much on a crown crate? Yes they can. Its all up to who is spending it.

The difference is you get some tangible substance from part of your analogy. And the best part is you get to see your money later as it departs you.

Also, when you spend 50 dollars at fast food joints, the only gambling involved is how fast it comes out of you. It's not like you open food crates and all you get is ketchup packets and the ultimate prize of a water cup that you know you'll fill with soda.

But people feel they get the same tangible experience and satisfaction from having some pixels in game. Its all about the individual. I totally understand the gambling side of it. I get why people are mad. But they are here and they are going to continue to be.

If someone spends 50$ on coffee and fast food because they enjoy it, why it is wrong for someone to spend 50$ on a crown crate? Is it because you feel it is morally wrong? Or wrong for the game?

If that is the case, I understand your concerns, but it isn't anyones' place to tell anyone what they are doing is wrong, just because we don't agree with it.

I'm merely pointing out that difference.

Crown crates are a gamble. I'm not arguing against people buying them. People will do what they want.

I'm just stating your analogy is not good. Hence my joke on the fast food. I don't give them 50 bucks with the hope I roll good RNG and get 2 double hamburgers. I know exactly what my 50 bucks gets me

My analogy isn't the gamble. My analogy is the fact that 50$ for you is used in a different way than say someone who like to buy crown crates.

You would rather spend 50$ and know what you are getting. Others might wanna spend 50$ and see if they can take a chance and get 10 cool things. Which one is right? and which one is wrong? That is what these threads always seem to turn into and that is where I get bothered by it.

We can always copy and paste these discussions when the next season rolls around too

WalkingLegacy

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

When the normally good-natured and cheerful @SantieClaws warns you about something, you might want to at least pause and think about it ...

PAWS: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3407528/#Comment_3407528

Yes, people are against the crates, others are for them. We get it. Are we really going to have 500 threads and 75 pages on each one saying the same things over and over again?

I wonder how many ppl with PAWS in their name have actually bought a crate...or 10... or even 15. I was against them, but I used crowns that I had saved and bought a pack. Got some cool stuff and didn't buy anymore.

But if this turns into the moral police and trying to stop people from "gambling addictions" in the game, eventually people will tune you out because they are tired of hearing the same thing. Please understand I am a huge fan of this game and I do not wanna see it go down that path, but maybe it will not, only time will tell.

Actually, most of the threads aren't started by the anti crate moral police, and by the way, can I see some id son? (That was a joke, so please no one jump down my throat). The majority of the threads are started by, "oh look at this shinie I just got for only $150 worth of crates!" People. I know in your world, you'd like people that don't like them to just stay out, but we do have a right to voice opposing opinions. As for crate purchases, I actually have bought some, in the first round, to test it out and see what kind of value was inherent in the crates. I bought 90 crates. My only opinion after the purchase was that it was not worth it.

Just because I have an opinion that is opposite to someone else, doesn't make me moral police, a gambling addiction preacher, and honestly, if people are tired of hearing the same old thing, how tired do you think we are at hearing how happy people are to get a mount for $100. It goes both ways, that's how opposition works, you don't like hearing my opinions, but I don't like yours either. That's life.

At least, there is one thing in your post I can wholly agree with, and I think everyone on these forums has interest in, and that is preserving the future of the game we love, albeit from different directions of philosophy.

So all that said, here is to eso having a long life, regardless of which side of the argument is "right".

Well..... I didn't even quote you.... but OK. I guess we will go with it. I do not mind the opinions. Some of them of very valid. I agree that I do not want to see just a bunch of stuff thrown in crown crates and the rest of the game becomes a busted shell.

My issue is when people start the whole "people with gambling addictions" argument. Hate the crates, love the crates, but when it gets to that point, that is when people roll there eyes and it becomes a joke.

Ailurophobia, its the fear of cats... should be take Khajiits out of the game? No. See how ridiculous my argument is?

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

100 bucks wasted on cosmetic pixels that didnt deliver.....
Priorities of some people xd

I wonder how much people here spend on Starbucks? or fast food? 50$ I went with my buddy to see Deadpool. Was it worth it? Yes it was.

Can people spend that much on a crown crate? Yes they can. Its all up to who is spending it.

The difference is you get some tangible substance from part of your analogy. And the best part is you get to see your money later as it departs you.

Also, when you spend 50 dollars at fast food joints, the only gambling involved is how fast it comes out of you. It's not like you open food crates and all you get is ketchup packets and the ultimate prize of a water cup that you know you'll fill with soda.

But people feel they get the same tangible experience and satisfaction from having some pixels in game. Its all about the individual. I totally understand the gambling side of it. I get why people are mad. But they are here and they are going to continue to be.

If someone spends 50$ on coffee and fast food because they enjoy it, why it is wrong for someone to spend 50$ on a crown crate? Is it because you feel it is morally wrong? Or wrong for the game?

If that is the case, I understand your concerns, but it isn't anyones' place to tell anyone what they are doing is wrong, just because we don't agree with it.

I'm merely pointing out that difference.

Crown crates are a gamble. I'm not arguing against people buying them. People will do what they want.

I'm just stating your analogy is not good. Hence my joke on the fast food. I don't give them 50 bucks with the hope I roll good RNG and get 2 double hamburgers. I know exactly what my 50 bucks gets me

My analogy isn't the gamble. My analogy is the fact that 50$ for you is used in a different way than say someone who like to buy crown crates.

You would rather spend 50$ and know what you are getting. Others might wanna spend 50$ and see if they can take a chance and get 10 cool things. Which one is right? and which one is wrong? That is what these threads always seem to turn into and that is where I get bothered by it.

We can always copy and paste these discussions when the next season rolls around too

Let's make a promise to each other to stay original and type all new responses next "season".

ThePaleItalian

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

When the normally good-natured and cheerful @SantieClaws warns you about something, you might want to at least pause and think about it ...

PAWS: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3407528/#Comment_3407528

Yes, people are against the crates, others are for them. We get it. Are we really going to have 500 threads and 75 pages on each one saying the same things over and over again?

I wonder how many ppl with PAWS in their name have actually bought a crate...or 10... or even 15. I was against them, but I used crowns that I had saved and bought a pack. Got some cool stuff and didn't buy anymore.

But if this turns into the moral police and trying to stop people from "gambling addictions" in the game, eventually people will tune you out because they are tired of hearing the same thing. Please understand I am a huge fan of this game and I do not wanna see it go down that path, but maybe it will not, only time will tell.

Actually, most of the threads aren't started by the anti crate moral police, and by the way, can I see some id son? (That was a joke, so please no one jump down my throat). The majority of the threads are started by, "oh look at this shinie I just got for only $150 worth of crates!" People. I know in your world, you'd like people that don't like them to just stay out, but we do have a right to voice opposing opinions. As for crate purchases, I actually have bought some, in the first round, to test it out and see what kind of value was inherent in the crates. I bought 90 crates. My only opinion after the purchase was that it was not worth it.

Just because I have an opinion that is opposite to someone else, doesn't make me moral police, a gambling addiction preacher, and honestly, if people are tired of hearing the same old thing, how tired do you think we are at hearing how happy people are to get a mount for $100. It goes both ways, that's how opposition works, you don't like hearing my opinions, but I don't like yours either. That's life.

At least, there is one thing in your post I can wholly agree with, and I think everyone on these forums has interest in, and that is preserving the future of the game we love, albeit from different directions of philosophy.

So all that said, here is to eso having a long life, regardless of which side of the argument is "right".

Well..... I didn't even quote you.... but OK. I guess we will go with it. I do not mind the opinions. Some of them of very valid. I agree that I do not want to see just a bunch of stuff thrown in crown crates and the rest of the game becomes a busted shell.

My issue is when people start the whole "people with gambling addictions" argument. Hate the crates, love the crates, but when it gets to that point, that is when people roll there eyes and it becomes a joke.

Ailurophobia, its the fear of cats... should be take Khajiits out of the game? No. See how ridiculous my argument is?

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

100 bucks wasted on cosmetic pixels that didnt deliver.....
Priorities of some people xd

I wonder how much people here spend on Starbucks? or fast food? 50$ I went with my buddy to see Deadpool. Was it worth it? Yes it was.

Can people spend that much on a crown crate? Yes they can. Its all up to who is spending it.

The difference is you get some tangible substance from part of your analogy. And the best part is you get to see your money later as it departs you.

Also, when you spend 50 dollars at fast food joints, the only gambling involved is how fast it comes out of you. It's not like you open food crates and all you get is ketchup packets and the ultimate prize of a water cup that you know you'll fill with soda.

But people feel they get the same tangible experience and satisfaction from having some pixels in game. Its all about the individual. I totally understand the gambling side of it. I get why people are mad. But they are here and they are going to continue to be.

If someone spends 50$ on coffee and fast food because they enjoy it, why it is wrong for someone to spend 50$ on a crown crate? Is it because you feel it is morally wrong? Or wrong for the game?

If that is the case, I understand your concerns, but it isn't anyones' place to tell anyone what they are doing is wrong, just because we don't agree with it.

I'm merely pointing out that difference.

Crown crates are a gamble. I'm not arguing against people buying them. People will do what they want.

I'm just stating your analogy is not good. Hence my joke on the fast food. I don't give them 50 bucks with the hope I roll good RNG and get 2 double hamburgers. I know exactly what my 50 bucks gets me

My analogy isn't the gamble. My analogy is the fact that 50$ for you is used in a different way than say someone who like to buy crown crates.

You would rather spend 50$ and know what you are getting. Others might wanna spend 50$ and see if they can take a chance and get 10 cool things. Which one is right? and which one is wrong? That is what these threads always seem to turn into and that is where I get bothered by it.

We can always copy and paste these discussions when the next season rolls around too

Let's make a promise to each other to stay original and type all new responses next "season".

Haha. Deal!

PlaceboSoul

I stay as original as ultra diet double dew. Stay fresh out there.

Remag_Div

I wouldn't be surprised if the RNG is worse so people spend more money.

ZOS should be required by law to publicly release the RNG % chance for each item.

ZOS_Bill

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Livvy

LordTareq wrote: »

"If at first you don't succeed, Mr. Kidd", "Try, try again, Mr. Wint."

LOL...love this movie.

souravami

People like you are the reason ZOS is pushing these *** business practices in this game. You deserved that outcome.

AlMcFly

I'm probably going to get banned for this but I just got a warning for using the words "hypocrisy", "pompous", "small-minded" and "high-horse". No cusswords. No cheap derogatory name-calling. Just those words to illustrate poor argumentation on the part of some people in this thread. My posts were also deleted. When did it become "not acceptable" to imply someone is being a hypocrite? GG.

Watch out folks. The pitchforks and torches are out in force today. ZOS Community Reps are happy when people are bickering and insulting others like 5 year-olds. When somebody pokes holes into people's arguments and points out the act of hypocrisy like an adult formally debating, warnings abound.

DaveMoeDee

ChaosWotan wrote: »

Used about $100 on the new crown crates, and basically got nothing. Only two non-apex mounts. Last time I got 3 apex mounts from the same numbers of crates, and several non-apex mounts. I know this is a gamble, and don't mind supporting ESO in any case, but a bit curious if the RNG is worse this time.

Still got enough crown gems to buy one apex mounts. I knew I would get enough gems to buy one such mount, so took this into consideration before playing the cards.

Maybe the RNG is random.

DaveMoeDee

ADarklore wrote: »

Xuxilbara wrote: »

Huh, I got the worst luck. Bought 4 crates, got one dog, a facepaint and the epic scroll of learning. Not satisfied, I got 4 more crates.. and got the same dog, the same facepaint and another epic scroll of learning. Friend pointed out the chances for that are really small, heh.

So yeah, I know the money I spend on those isn't going to go into the game, and I absolutely hate the system, because it preys on addictions and chances, but I am really weak. That's also why I hate it, because it works on me. I see something I want, and I wager wheter or not I should try, and try again and again, until I am out of the means to do so. In the end, I'll get frustrated and quit alltogether. Bound to happen sooner or later.

At least you get Gems for any duplicates and can turn consumables in for Gems as well... so it's not like you got nothing but dupes.

I have no problem with ZOS coming up with ways to make money. The overhead costs of running a world-wide MMO has to be intense, let alone the cost of creating new content... developers I'm sure make a very nice salary... nothing is made for free, and yes, the company AND its investors deserve to have receive an income too; without investors there would be no games.

Further,

Vercingetorix wrote: »

A great man once said "You can't fix stupid". Man does this post ring true... OP got exactly what he paid for. That's gambling people - learn from his example and use your money on more pizza and alcohol - you'll get more mileage from those purchases than Crown Crates, lol.

Yes, "You can't fix stupid"... after all, why spend money on something that gets you weeks, months or years worth of entertainment when you can spend money on pizza and alcohol that lasts a few hours. Go figure.

Yeah, I can enjoy casinos the rest of my life! So let me pour money into their slot machines...

JimT722

Have the people saying these things aren't meant to be addictive actually opened a crown crate. I opened some and it was shockingly apparent. It's loaded with positive reinforcement to continue spending. The presentation, gems, and dialogue. I was apparently the best player Pacrooti had all day, according to him.

ChaosWotan

In Norway, where I live, it easily costs 10 dollars for a pint of beer in a bar. Spending $100 dollars to buy drinks on a Friday night is very common, many spend much more. That kind of enjoyment lasts 7-10 hours. ESO I can play countless hours, many years.

And to put things in perspective: if gamers ten years ago had the option to pay 100 dollars for one apex mount in a quality game like ESO, all of us would have done it.

We spend thousands of dollars on computer equipment that are outdated every 1-4 years, if you are into high-end gaming. So again, if gaming really is your hobby, the poison you love, then go for it. If not, then it's irrational, in a way, to waste money on crown crates.

Different people have different interests and priorities. Each to his own, in a free society. Some collects very expensive stamps, others buy a gold watch just because they like to look at it. And let's not forget how women use money on fashion. Is it irrational? Yes and no.

Slurg

ChaosWotan wrote: »

In Norway, where I live, it easily costs 10 dollars for a pint of beer in a bar. Spending $100 dollars to buy drinks on a Friday night is very common, many spend much more. That kind of enjoyment lasts 7-10 hours. ESO I can play countless hours, many years.

And to put things in perspective: if gamers ten years ago had the option to pay 100 dollars for one apex mount in a quality game like ESO, all of us would have done it.

We spend thousands of dollars on computer equipment that are outdated every 1-4 years, if you are into high-end gaming. So again, if gaming really is your hobby, the poison you love, then go for it. If not, then it's irrational, in a way, to waste money on crown crates.

Different people have different interests and priorities. Each to his own, in a free society. Some collects very expensive stamps, others buy a gold watch just because they like to look at it. And let's not forget how women use money on fashion. Is it irrational? Yes and no.

None of the examples you give support buying crown crates. In every single other example you give, the buyer is choosing what they receive for the money they spend on their hobbies. Crown crates are the only thing you listed above that you throw some money out there, and accept whatever you are given in return.

If gambling in a video game is what you love and you are choosing to spend your money on that experience, and that's what you get enjoyment from, that is your choice, of course. But don't pretend that people who are against gambling crates must not enjoy gaming enough.

DaveMoeDee

ChaosWotan wrote: »

In Norway, where I live, it easily costs 10 dollars for a pint of beer in a bar. Spending $100 dollars to buy drinks on a Friday night is very common, many spend much more. That kind of enjoyment lasts 7-10 hours. ESO I can play countless hours, many years.

And to put things in perspective: if gamers ten years ago had the option to pay 100 dollars for one apex mount in a quality game like ESO, all of us would have done it.

We spend thousands of dollars on computer equipment that are outdated every 1-4 years, if you are into high-end gaming. So again, if gaming really is your hobby, the poison you love, then go for it. If not, then it's irrational, in a way, to waste money on crown crates.

Different people have different interests and priorities. Each to his own, in a free society. Some collects very expensive stamps, others buy a gold watch just because they like to look at it. And let's not forget how women use money on fashion. Is it irrational? Yes and no.

My interest is whale watching. This thread was like a vacation.

Balamoor

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

ChaosWotan wrote: »

In Norway, where I live, it easily costs 10 dollars for a pint of beer in a bar. Spending $100 dollars to buy drinks on a Friday night is very common, many spend much more. That kind of enjoyment lasts 7-10 hours. ESO I can play countless hours, many years.

And to put things in perspective: if gamers ten years ago had the option to pay 100 dollars for one apex mount in a quality game like ESO, all of us would have done it.

We spend thousands of dollars on computer equipment that are outdated every 1-4 years, if you are into high-end gaming. So again, if gaming really is your hobby, the poison you love, then go for it. If not, then it's irrational, in a way, to waste money on crown crates.

Different people have different interests and priorities. Each to his own, in a free society. Some collects very expensive stamps, others buy a gold watch just because they like to look at it. And let's not forget how women use money on fashion. Is it irrational? Yes and no.

My interest is whale watching. This thread was like a vacation.

Annnnnd this is what I mean by Toxic forum culture. :-|

Cpt_Teemo

Balamoor wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

ChaosWotan wrote: »

In Norway, where I live, it easily costs 10 dollars for a pint of beer in a bar. Spending $100 dollars to buy drinks on a Friday night is very common, many spend much more. That kind of enjoyment lasts 7-10 hours. ESO I can play countless hours, many years.

And to put things in perspective: if gamers ten years ago had the option to pay 100 dollars for one apex mount in a quality game like ESO, all of us would have done it.

We spend thousands of dollars on computer equipment that are outdated every 1-4 years, if you are into high-end gaming. So again, if gaming really is your hobby, the poison you love, then go for it. If not, then it's irrational, in a way, to waste money on crown crates.

Different people have different interests and priorities. Each to his own, in a free society. Some collects very expensive stamps, others buy a gold watch just because they like to look at it. And let's not forget how women use money on fashion. Is it irrational? Yes and no.

My interest is whale watching. This thread was like a vacation.

Annnnnd this is what I mean by Toxic forum culture. :-|

You seen nothing till you see the LoL boards

Balamoor

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

ChaosWotan wrote: »

In Norway, where I live, it easily costs 10 dollars for a pint of beer in a bar. Spending $100 dollars to buy drinks on a Friday night is very common, many spend much more. That kind of enjoyment lasts 7-10 hours. ESO I can play countless hours, many years.

And to put things in perspective: if gamers ten years ago had the option to pay 100 dollars for one apex mount in a quality game like ESO, all of us would have done it.

We spend thousands of dollars on computer equipment that are outdated every 1-4 years, if you are into high-end gaming. So again, if gaming really is your hobby, the poison you love, then go for it. If not, then it's irrational, in a way, to waste money on crown crates.

Different people have different interests and priorities. Each to his own, in a free society. Some collects very expensive stamps, others buy a gold watch just because they like to look at it. And let's not forget how women use money on fashion. Is it irrational? Yes and no.

My interest is whale watching. This thread was like a vacation.

Annnnnd this is what I mean by Toxic forum culture. :-|

You seen nothing till you see the LoL boards

When should that ever be a metric? Seriously, when we have to start using the LoL forums as a gauge we have already went over the cliff.

brandonv516

Untidy1 wrote: »

ChaosWotan wrote: »

A hundred bucks on crown crates is not that much compared to how much other hobbies often cost.

Most hobbies give you a hundred bucks worth of something in return for your hundred bucks, even if it's something ephemeral like "fun". This game gives you nothing. I make enough of a good living that I could buy crown crates till the cows come home and not worry about it at all, but I would never do something so ridiculous as to buy even one. It's almost exactly the same thing as flushing a hundred bucks down the toilet.

Again this comes down to your own definition of "worth". It is worth it to some to have fancy mounts to run around with.

nimander99

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