Drain Power - WORST ABILITY EVER?

  • Shunravi
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    "Dear sir/mam/other before complaining about something, please take the time to learn at least the basics of how it functions. These resources are readily available and found easily on sites such as google.com, yahoo.com, bing.com, and the player guides section of the forum on which you are currently complaining. Once you have a basic understanding, please adjust anything you may find wrong in your current build and then test out how it works. Get some practice with it. Then please feel free to bring up any concerns about how the skill functions in a non agressive manner and without preemtively appearing to shut down any counter arguments. Thank you and have a nice day."

    Is so much more effort to type than

    "L2P"


    But they say the exact same thing.
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  • Waffennacht
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    OP your attributes are all over the place, you're judging an unmorphed skill and only taking into consideration damage and not utility.

    It's very much a l2p issue, look at any NB guide and you'll see where you're going wrong.
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  • bowmanz607
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    Veuth wrote: »
    Drain Power for the NB is the most garbage ability I've ever used. This is the last ability unlocked in the Siphoning skill line so it makes zero sense how this is super weak in comparison to just about everything else.

    This ability only does 1k AoE damage in total which is TERRIBLE because the average enemy I come across has approximately 45k health. The healing sucks too and even Rendering Slashes
    (the first ability in the Dual Wield skill line) heals me more than this ability.

    Drain Power seriously needs a MAJOR buff!

    Inb4 "L2P" & "this is the best ability evurr! i hope they nerf it!!"

    sap essence (mag morph) is amazing. Power extraction (stam morph) is alright. Basically allows for and aoe ability no matter the weapon if you choose like 1h/s or 2h. hits stronger than tornado before scaling kicks in.

    dont forget you may also get max mag with it if no other siponing ability. Plus get healing recived. plus ult gen. Plus with power extraction you have a chance at defile.

    it is a pretty darn good ability and hits for more then 1k. Boost your damage. Power extraction does leave someting to be desired.
  • bowmanz607
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    your splitting your points too muich over all attributes which kills your damage also. Are you mag or stam. the unmorphed version is mag so scales with that.

    even unmorphed should be hitting harder than 1k. your stats are underwhelming
  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    You are complaining about an unmorphed abilty on a hybrid build. Change your build and morph the skill. Then we can talk about it. Sap essence (magic morph) is an absolutely amazing AOE DPS skill and is all the cornerstone of very viable NB playstyle, aka, the SAP tank.

    Power extraction admittedly does leave something to be desired from a stam point of view, as tornado is better, but it can provide very good AOE and not bind you to DW.
  • Upright_man
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    Veuth wrote: »
    I have already morphed it now and it works like a charm, the unmorphed version still needs improving though because the damage is so small it's pointless to use despite being the last ability in the Siphoning skill line.

    Every other MAGICKA based ability has worked perfectly for me EXCEPT this one, which leads me to believe it's underpowered. 19 Magicka is quite a lot so it makes no sense how it does weak damage.

    lul scrub git gud l2p noob ez

    There, I just saved you the trouble.

    Lul you have the funniest attitude ever dude. Please keep it up and ill get some popcorn.
  • xboxNA corin6
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    Lol I hope OP posts more funny threads in the future. Good read.
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  • bowmanz607
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    you guys dont need to come down hard on op. He just needs a push in the right direction. He does not seem to understand how the game completely works regarding builds etc. Guide him dont shame him. Help players to get better.
  • Veuth
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    bowmanz607 wrote: »
    you guys dont need to come down hard on op. He just needs a push in the right direction. He does not seem to understand how the game completely works regarding builds etc. Guide him dont shame him. Help players to get better.

    It's all been sorted now anyway, it seems 19 magicka isn't enough to make an unmorphed ability even remotely good.
  • bowmanz607
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    Veuth wrote: »
    bowmanz607 wrote: »
    you guys dont need to come down hard on op. He just needs a push in the right direction. He does not seem to understand how the game completely works regarding builds etc. Guide him dont shame him. Help players to get better.


    haha nope. plus remember spell damage and weapon damage respectively.
    Edited by bowmanz607 on February 15, 2017 9:53PM
  • WuffyCerulei
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    Veuth wrote: »
    I have already morphed it now and it works like a charm, the unmorphed version still needs improving though because the damage is so small it's pointless to use despite being the last ability in the Siphoning skill line.

    Every other MAGICKA based ability has worked perfectly for me EXCEPT this one, which leads me to believe it's underpowered. 19 Magicka is quite a lot so it makes no sense how it does weak damage.

    lul scrub git gud l2p noob ez

    There, I just saved you the trouble.

    I still recommend going either full stamina or magicka, as hybrid DPS builds are weak af in ESO.
    Edited by WuffyCerulei on February 15, 2017 10:38PM
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  • scorpiodog
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    Veuth wrote: »
    Drain Power for the NB is the most garbage ability I've ever used. This is the last ability unlocked in the Siphoning skill line so it makes zero sense how this is super weak in comparison to just about everything else.

    This ability only does 1k AoE damage in total which is TERRIBLE because the average enemy I come across has approximately 45k health. The healing sucks too and even Rendering Slashes
    (the first ability in the Dual Wield skill line) heals me more than this ability.

    Drain Power seriously needs a MAJOR buff!

    Inb4 "L2P" & "this is the best ability evurr! i hope they nerf it!!"

    Yeah, Power Extraction is literally the best ability on my Stamblade for PvE. I tested it a few times and it does slightly more damage than the DW "spin to win" skill. It also adds major Brutality, eliminating the need for 2H rally in my build. Used with empower it just melts mobs.

    If I was a Magblade I'd use the morph to self heal while doing AOE.
  • bowmanz607
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    scorpiodog wrote: »
    Veuth wrote: »
    Drain Power for the NB is the most garbage ability I've ever used. This is the last ability unlocked in the Siphoning skill line so it makes zero sense how this is super weak in comparison to just about everything else.

    This ability only does 1k AoE damage in total which is TERRIBLE because the average enemy I come across has approximately 45k health. The healing sucks too and even Rendering Slashes
    (the first ability in the Dual Wield skill line) heals me more than this ability.

    Drain Power seriously needs a MAJOR buff!

    Inb4 "L2P" & "this is the best ability evurr! i hope they nerf it!!"

    Yeah, Power Extraction is literally the best ability on my Stamblade for PvE. I tested it a few times and it does slightly more damage than the DW "spin to win" skill. It also adds major Brutality, eliminating the need for 2H rally in my build. Used with empower it just melts mobs.

    If I was a Magblade I'd use the morph to self heal while doing AOE.

    It does hit harder in8tially, but tornado hits harder after scaling. Sure you can drop rally in pve, not a good option to do in pvp though. So brutality buff is redundant.
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    t3hdubzy wrote: »
    Reverb wrote: »
    Veuth wrote: »
    Metafae wrote: »
    Veuth wrote: »
    KranderH wrote: »
    Veuth wrote: »
    KranderH wrote: »
    Veuth wrote: »
    KranderH wrote: »
    I suggest you morph (and level up) the ability. Since it's an aoe it won't do the big numbers but it can be decent in some situations. Especially since it provides major brutality.
    Power extraction, the stamina morph, does 13-15k dmg per target for me. Not as good as steel tornado but a decent alternative.

    Power Extraction and Sap Essence are pretty decent but "Drain Power" is completely underpowered compared to every other unmorphed ability I've ever unlocked.

    ...but... You intend to morph it right? Then just keep it on your bar until it's ready :)

    Yes, but that still doesn't deny that Drain Power is super weak and near worthless.

    Well you're not supposed to wreck everything with an unleveled skill. You'll live through it, trust me.


    There's a difference between wrecking everything and doing the tiniest damage ever which is probably less damage than a light attack, none of the other unmorphed abilities gave me the same kind of trouble as this one has.

    I do think you completely ignored that code explained that the unmorphed version of that skill will scale of you Spell Damage and Max Magica.

    You've clearly specced into Stamina and Weapon damage, so you must have really low Spell Damage and Max Magic, so the skill would be very weak because of this.

    I have 19 Magicka, 20 Health, and 22 Stamina.

    You should be banned from ever posting about skill efficacy with those numbers. Yes, you can play this game however you want, and rock whatever wacky build you feel like, but you have no standing then to complain about skills being weak when your stats are so poorly optimized.

    In almost every case, unleveled and unmorphed skills are crap compared to their max level counterparts. This is especially true, as clearly explained above, when is the base skill scales on magic and your stamina character has to live with it until morphed. But with your stats, every skill will be crap. Sure some will be better based on your racial, class, and CP passive, but still utter crap compared to an optimized build.


    Probably not the case, but in any case, i think his point is that this is the 5th skill gained, and its not particularly a great skill starting off, to which i agree.

    But this is no different than any other skill line. For Stam Sorc Dark Deal / Dark exchange is just the same. You slot a completely worthless skill and then morph it. Or Bound armor / Bound armaments same deal.

    All of these are high level but useless skills (for Stamina builds) you just slot and "deal with it" for a while and then after you get the skill to level IV you get the option a great morph.

  • scorpiodog
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    bowmanz607 wrote: »
    scorpiodog wrote: »
    Veuth wrote: »
    Drain Power for the NB is the most garbage ability I've ever used. This is the last ability unlocked in the Siphoning skill line so it makes zero sense how this is super weak in comparison to just about everything else.

    This ability only does 1k AoE damage in total which is TERRIBLE because the average enemy I come across has approximately 45k health. The healing sucks too and even Rendering Slashes
    (the first ability in the Dual Wield skill line) heals me more than this ability.

    Drain Power seriously needs a MAJOR buff!

    Inb4 "L2P" & "this is the best ability evurr! i hope they nerf it!!"

    Yeah, Power Extraction is literally the best ability on my Stamblade for PvE. I tested it a few times and it does slightly more damage than the DW "spin to win" skill. It also adds major Brutality, eliminating the need for 2H rally in my build. Used with empower it just melts mobs.

    If I was a Magblade I'd use the morph to self heal while doing AOE.

    It does hit harder in8tially, but tornado hits harder after scaling. Sure you can drop rally in pve, not a good option to do in pvp though. So brutality buff is redundant.

    I'll admit I haven't used that character since 1T so I'll have to re-test it.
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    Veuth wrote: »
    bowmanz607 wrote: »
    you guys dont need to come down hard on op. He just needs a push in the right direction. He does not seem to understand how the game completely works regarding builds etc. Guide him dont shame him. Help players to get better.

    It's all been sorted now anyway, it seems 19 magicka isn't enough to make an unmorphed ability even remotely good.

    Can't even cast recall with 19 magicka ^^
  • bowmanz607
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    scorpiodog wrote: »
    bowmanz607 wrote: »
    scorpiodog wrote: »
    Veuth wrote: »
    Drain Power for the NB is the most garbage ability I've ever used. This is the last ability unlocked in the Siphoning skill line so it makes zero sense how this is super weak in comparison to just about everything else.

    This ability only does 1k AoE damage in total which is TERRIBLE because the average enemy I come across has approximately 45k health. The healing sucks too and even Rendering Slashes
    (the first ability in the Dual Wield skill line) heals me more than this ability.

    Drain Power seriously needs a MAJOR buff!

    Inb4 "L2P" & "this is the best ability evurr! i hope they nerf it!!"

    Yeah, Power Extraction is literally the best ability on my Stamblade for PvE. I tested it a few times and it does slightly more damage than the DW "spin to win" skill. It also adds major Brutality, eliminating the need for 2H rally in my build. Used with empower it just melts mobs.

    If I was a Magblade I'd use the morph to self heal while doing AOE.

    It does hit harder in8tially, but tornado hits harder after scaling. Sure you can drop rally in pve, not a good option to do in pvp though. So brutality buff is redundant.

    I'll admit I haven't used that character since 1T so I'll have to re-test it.

    Tornado has always hit harder once it starts scaling with missing health
  • Joosef_Kivikilpi
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    100% Wreck face in PVE with this ability. Skyreach Catacombs' denizens fear me, along with every dungeon, due to this ability. Storms for days. Best ability every. So much better than Destruction final skill. Love this. Can I be even more enthused about this skill??? hahaha
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    Veuth wrote: »
    Berenhir wrote: »
    OP: When numerous experienced people tell you that your understanding of skills and their power is a l2p issue, you might consider that those people are right and you may be wrong with your complaints and views on the matter.

    There's a difference between giving advice and then using derogatory remarks such as "l2p", it's just petty and rude.

    And there is a difference between starting a thread by saying "this ability is weak--is it bad or am I doing something wrong?" and by saying "this ability is trash, and 'inb4' someone tells me I'm wrong". You don't want people to ridicule you? Then don't start a trollish thread that invites people to do exactly that. You reap what you sow. But I suspect you already know that and that you probably started this thread for the popcorn.
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  • Autolycus
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    Yeah the reason you got the responses you did (including from me) were entirely because of how you approached this thread, and not because of what you were asking, nor the fact that you just needed advice. When you decide to unconditionally disagree and throw salt at people trying to explain (especially those who were genuinely trying to help without scrutinizing you), you get this backlash.

    If you weren't doing this to intentionally troll people then maybe you'll learn something from the backlash you received. Had you approached this differently, like simply asking if you were doing something wrong, it would have an entirely different thread.
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    *Throws bag of popcorn in microwave at work*

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  • Veuth
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    Autolycus wrote: »
    Yeah the reason you got the responses you did (including from me) were entirely because of how you approached this thread, and not because of what you were asking, nor the fact that you just needed advice. When you decide to unconditionally disagree and throw salt at people trying to explain (especially those who were genuinely trying to help without scrutinizing you), you get this backlash.

    If you weren't doing this to intentionally troll people then maybe you'll learn something from the backlash you received. Had you approached this differently, like simply asking if you were doing something wrong, it would have an entirely different thread.

    Not really, I was just calmly discussing why this ability sucks and I admit i did throw a bit of salt at the people who said "l2p" because that's just ignorant and petty.
  • tonemd
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    Power Extraction was WAY better before the major/minor buff overhaul when it used to stack on enemies hit.

    Now, only good if you don't have Two Hand on one of your bars. Decent AOE that can proc ANY DAMAGE procs and Major Brutality. Good to get PVE mobs down to 50% for steel tornado. Syphoning Attacks works well with it as well, as you get more chances to proc the resource heals.

    PVP, I NEVER see that morph unless I'm idiotically running it. In my opinion, it would be a great AOE skill if it gave major brutality AND empowered the next attack.
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    Veuth wrote: »
    bowmanz607 wrote: »
    you guys dont need to come down hard on op. He just needs a push in the right direction. He does not seem to understand how the game completely works regarding builds etc. Guide him dont shame him. Help players to get better.

    It's all been sorted now anyway, it seems 19 magicka isn't enough to make an unmorphed ability even remotely good.

    No it's not. Unfortunately in this game it's all or nothing. As a dual wielding character you're going to be using weapon damage. Putting any attributes into anything other than stamina is going gimp you. Which in turn means using any magic/spell based abilities is also gimping yourself.
  • Mr_Nobody
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    hi guys,

    why my wrecking blow is hitting for 2k only? pls buff this ability

    i have 40k magicka and 3k spell power

    totally useless
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  • Koensol
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    Veuth wrote: »
    Metafae wrote: »
    Veuth wrote: »
    KranderH wrote: »
    Veuth wrote: »
    KranderH wrote: »
    Veuth wrote: »
    KranderH wrote: »
    I suggest you morph (and level up) the ability. Since it's an aoe it won't do the big numbers but it can be decent in some situations. Especially since it provides major brutality.
    Power extraction, the stamina morph, does 13-15k dmg per target for me. Not as good as steel tornado but a decent alternative.

    Power Extraction and Sap Essence are pretty decent but "Drain Power" is completely underpowered compared to every other unmorphed ability I've ever unlocked.

    ...but... You intend to morph it right? Then just keep it on your bar until it's ready :)

    Yes, but that still doesn't deny that Drain Power is super weak and near worthless.

    Well you're not supposed to wreck everything with an unleveled skill. You'll live through it, trust me.


    There's a difference between wrecking everything and doing the tiniest damage ever which is probably less damage than a light attack, none of the other unmorphed abilities gave me the same kind of trouble as this one has.

    I do think you completely ignored that code explained that the unmorphed version of that skill will scale of you Spell Damage and Max Magica.

    You've clearly specced into Stamina and Weapon damage, so you must have really low Spell Damage and Max Magic, so the skill would be very weak because of this.

    I have 19 Magicka, 20 Health, and 22 Stamina.
    LOL! And you complain about low dmg.... just, please stop.

    Put all points into stamina, take the power extraction morph. You will see it is pretty decent.

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    Assumption and prejudice based on lack of knowledge... A trademark of the ESO player base. :)
  • Faulgor
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    Compared to Sap Essence, Power Extraction probably deserves a slight buff.
    I think it should either grant Major Vitality to be the stamina counterpart to Sap Essence in terms of healing utility, which would make it a good synergy with Vigor, Rally and DW HoTs.
    Or it could apply Minor Mangle, like Pulsar, decreasing enemy health by 10%. That would fit the theme of the skill quite well.
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    All magic based damage skills (utility skills are hit or miss) suck on a stamina toon, period. Try using Whip on a StamDk, or Curse on a StamSorc, it's the same basic principle.

    Hybrid builds are gimped by default because of the way skills scale on max resource and hybrids aren't exactly big on any 1 resource, limiting their use overall so of course skills are going to be weak as a result anyways.

    As for Drain Power as an unmorphed skill, it's a meh AoE skill for a Stamina build because everything about the skill scales on magic making it awful by default as a result. It would be mildly better if it started off as disease damage and scaled on stamina starting off but that's not an option.

    I don't really see the point of this thread honestly. Complaining about an unmorphed skill is pretty pointless as it won't remain unmorphed if you plan on using it at all and if you don't plan on morphing it, why bother using the skill at all?
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  • Shunravi
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    Faulgor wrote: »
    Compared to Sap Essence, Power Extraction probably deserves a slight buff.
    I think it should either grant Major Vitality to be the stamina counterpart to Sap Essence in terms of healing utility, which would make it a good synergy with Vigor, Rally and DW HoTs.
    Or it could apply Minor Mangle, like Pulsar, decreasing enemy health by 10%. That would fit the theme of the skill quite well.

    Either of those could work nicely.
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