Drain Power - WORST ABILITY EVER?
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Veuth✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »What's the point of making a thread and not listening to people giving you advice? The best advice here is... L2P by the way.
Not really advice, 90% of what people are saying is "morph it" and "l2p" which is rather ignorant.0 -
Veuth✭✭✭Congratulations to those who type "l2p" for being the first few people to put on my ignore list.
Edited by Veuth on February 15, 2017 2:32PM0 -
t3hdubzy✭✭✭✭I agree that drain power and power extraction are underpowered. Its only value for me was getting major brutality when using dual wield, and even on a 561 stamblade with 31k stamina, it would hit mobs for 3 to 5k.
Honestly though that whole skill tree is not really viable as a stam user, the utility isnt great enough to decrease overall dps or lose out on another skill being on the bar.2 -
Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I suggest you morph (and level up) the ability. Since it's an aoe it won't do the big numbers but it can be decent in some situations. Especially since it provides major brutality.
Power extraction, the stamina morph, does 13-15k dmg per target for me. Not as good as steel tornado but a decent alternative.
Power Extraction and Sap Essence are pretty decent but "Drain Power" is completely underpowered compared to every other unmorphed ability I've ever unlocked.
...but... You intend to morph it right? Then just keep it on your bar until it's ready
Yes, but that still doesn't deny that Drain Power is super weak and near worthless.
Well you're not supposed to wreck everything with an unleveled skill. You'll live through it, trust me.
There's a difference between wrecking everything and doing the tiniest damage ever which is probably less damage than a light attack, none of the other unmorphed abilities gave me the same kind of trouble as this one has.
I do think you completely ignored that code explained that the unmorphed version of that skill will scale of you Spell Damage and Max Magica.
You've clearly specced into Stamina and Weapon damage, so you must have really low Spell Damage and Max Magic, so the skill would be very weak because of this.
I have 19 Magicka, 20 Health, and 22 Stamina.
You should be banned from ever posting about skill efficacy with those numbers. Yes, you can play this game however you want, and rock whatever wacky build you feel like, but you have no standing then to complain about skills being weak when your stats are so poorly optimized.
In almost every case, unleveled and unmorphed skills are crap compared to their max level counterparts. This is especially true, as clearly explained above, when is the base skill scales on magic and your stamina character has to live with it until morphed. But with your stats, every skill will be crap. Sure some will be better based on your racial, class, and CP passive, but still utter crap compared to an optimized build.Edited by Reverb on February 15, 2017 2:47PMBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche3 -
t3hdubzy✭✭✭✭I suggest you morph (and level up) the ability. Since it's an aoe it won't do the big numbers but it can be decent in some situations. Especially since it provides major brutality.
Power extraction, the stamina morph, does 13-15k dmg per target for me. Not as good as steel tornado but a decent alternative.
Power Extraction and Sap Essence are pretty decent but "Drain Power" is completely underpowered compared to every other unmorphed ability I've ever unlocked.
...but... You intend to morph it right? Then just keep it on your bar until it's ready
Yes, but that still doesn't deny that Drain Power is super weak and near worthless.
Well you're not supposed to wreck everything with an unleveled skill. You'll live through it, trust me.
There's a difference between wrecking everything and doing the tiniest damage ever which is probably less damage than a light attack, none of the other unmorphed abilities gave me the same kind of trouble as this one has.
I do think you completely ignored that code explained that the unmorphed version of that skill will scale of you Spell Damage and Max Magica.
You've clearly specced into Stamina and Weapon damage, so you must have really low Spell Damage and Max Magic, so the skill would be very weak because of this.
I have 19 Magicka, 20 Health, and 22 Stamina.
You should be banned from ever posting about skill efficacy with those numbers. Yes, you can play this game however you want, and rock whatever wacky build you feel like, but you have no standing then to complain about skills being weak when your stats are so poorly optimized.
In almost every case, unleveled and unmorphed skills are crap compared to their max level counterparts. This is especially true, as clearly explained above, when is the base skill scales on magic and your stamina character has to live with it until morphed. But with your stats, every skill will be crap. Sure some will be better based on your racial, class, and CP passive, but still utter crap compared to an optimized build.
Do we know if hes leveling a charachter or is at max level? If hes leveling a new toon his spread is acceptable.
Also with sets today its possible he could still have a decent build depending on the sets he is using if at max cp, while not optimal it can still yeild a decent number. Hes missing out on like 4k stamina? Which can be made up by using enchants and stam plus stam recovery food.
The difference would be that he can effectively use one food for pvp because you get a 5k buff to health, and one food for puggin dailies.
Probably not the case, but in any case, i think his point is that this is the 5th skill gained, and its not particularly a great skill starting off, to which i agree.
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Veuth✭✭✭I suggest you morph (and level up) the ability. Since it's an aoe it won't do the big numbers but it can be decent in some situations. Especially since it provides major brutality.
Power extraction, the stamina morph, does 13-15k dmg per target for me. Not as good as steel tornado but a decent alternative.
Power Extraction and Sap Essence are pretty decent but "Drain Power" is completely underpowered compared to every other unmorphed ability I've ever unlocked.
...but... You intend to morph it right? Then just keep it on your bar until it's ready
Yes, but that still doesn't deny that Drain Power is super weak and near worthless.
Well you're not supposed to wreck everything with an unleveled skill. You'll live through it, trust me.
There's a difference between wrecking everything and doing the tiniest damage ever which is probably less damage than a light attack, none of the other unmorphed abilities gave me the same kind of trouble as this one has.
I do think you completely ignored that code explained that the unmorphed version of that skill will scale of you Spell Damage and Max Magica.
You've clearly specced into Stamina and Weapon damage, so you must have really low Spell Damage and Max Magic, so the skill would be very weak because of this.
I have 19 Magicka, 20 Health, and 22 Stamina.
You should be banned from ever posting about skill efficacy with those numbers. Yes, you can play this game however you want, and rock whatever wacky build you feel like, but you have no standing then to complain about skills being weak when your stats are so poorly optimized.
In almost every case, unleveled and unmorphed skills are crap compared to their max level counterparts. This is especially true, as clearly explained above, when is the base skill scales on magic and your stamina character has to live with it until morphed. But with your stats, every skill will be crap. Sure some will be better based on your racial, class, and CP passive, but still utter crap compared to an optimized build.
Do we know if hes leveling a charachter or is at max level? If hes leveling a new toon his spread is acceptable.
Also with sets today its possible he could still have a decent build depending on the sets he is using if at max cp, while not optimal it can still yeild a decent number. Hes missing out on like 4k stamina? Which can be made up by using enchants and stam plus stam recovery food.
The difference would be that he can effectively use one food for pvp because you get a 5k buff to health, and one food for puggin dailies.
Probably not the case, but in any case, i think his point is that this is the 5th skill gained, and its not particularly a great skill starting off, to which i agree.
Finally someone with a functioning brain.0 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭For what its worth, power extraction imo sucks, would I love if they changed/buffed it, hell yes.
Oh hell yeah, Power Extraction sucks. But as long as steel tornado is in the game, this ability will always suck. Which is a shame. I reckon if it healed you it would already be better, and some added damage isn't too bad either. I mean why does Sap have 4 effects (Damage, Healing, Sorcery, Brutality) and Extraction have 2 (Damage, Brutality)? Okay it has increased damage... I reckon the only way to make this thing viable without completely changing the morph, is to make it heal. Still for DPS, everyone will use steel tornado, but at least for solo play you'd have a class option.
You really don't want to take in any advice do you? He is right btw@ Izaki #PCEU
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Veuth✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »For what its worth, power extraction imo sucks, would I love if they changed/buffed it, hell yes.
Oh hell yeah, Power Extraction sucks. But as long as steel tornado is in the game, this ability will always suck. Which is a shame. I reckon if it healed you it would already be better, and some added damage isn't too bad either. I mean why does Sap have 4 effects (Damage, Healing, Sorcery, Brutality) and Extraction have 2 (Damage, Brutality)? Okay it has increased damage... I reckon the only way to make this thing viable without completely changing the morph, is to make it heal. Still for DPS, everyone will use steel tornado, but at least for solo play you'd have a class option.
You really don't want to take in any advice do you? He is right btw
This wasn't intended to be a cry for help post, I'm just stating the fact that "Drain Power" is too weak and underpowered. I've had no trouble with other magic based abilities.0 -
Trinity_Is_My_Name✭✭✭✭✭
✭I suggest you morph (and level up) the ability. Since it's an aoe it won't do the big numbers but it can be decent in some situations. Especially since it provides major brutality.
Power extraction, the stamina morph, does 13-15k dmg per target for me. Not as good as steel tornado but a decent alternative.
Power Extraction and Sap Essence are pretty decent but "Drain Power" is completely underpowered compared to every other unmorphed ability I've ever unlocked.
...but... You intend to morph it right? Then just keep it on your bar until it's ready
Yes, but that still doesn't deny that Drain Power is super weak and near worthless.
Well you're not supposed to wreck everything with an unleveled skill. You'll live through it, trust me.
There's a difference between wrecking everything and doing the tiniest damage ever which is probably less damage than a light attack, none of the other unmorphed abilities gave me the same kind of trouble as this one has.
I do think you completely ignored that code explained that the unmorphed version of that skill will scale of you Spell Damage and Max Magica.
You've clearly specced into Stamina and Weapon damage, so you must have really low Spell Damage and Max Magic, so the skill would be very weak because of this.
I have 19 Magicka, 20 Health, and 22 Stamina.
Wow....you need to respec those Attributes.3 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You can't measure whether a skill is crap or not with stats like yours. You have 51 attribute points meaning you are not end level and far from cp600. Then you haven't mentioned your gear setup or your buff food/ mundus etc. and the damn skill isn't morphed so you don't have can't compare it on a competitive level.
Nevertheless drain power and power extraction are poorly balanced skills which need some buffs.
You can block me if you think it helps you but this is a get gud thread with an OP who wants to find only people who support his arguments and flames everyone who has an other opinion.
Tl:dr Skill sucks but not as much as op says it does4 -
deepseamk20b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I use power extraction when soloing dungeons so I don't waste weapon damage pots. It works great. It buffs me with major brutality, costs less than steel tornado and I get ultimate like crazy. Not sure what the issue is here. Mine also hits for decent damage.
It would be cool if the skill was more like a sorcs hurricane though. Where you cast it and a power vacuum is created that continuously siphon health from targets within its radius and it gives major expedition for 15 seconds or something.Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!2 -
Veuth✭✭✭You can't measure whether a skill is crap or not with stats like yours. You have 51 attribute points meaning you are not end level and far from cp600. Then you haven't mentioned your gear setup or your buff food/ mundus etc. and the damn skill isn't morphed so you don't have can't compare it on a competitive level.
Nevertheless drain power and power extraction are poorly balanced skills which need some buffs.
You can block me if you think it helps you but this is a get gud thread with an OP who wants to find only people who support his arguments and flames everyone who has an other opinion.
Tl:dr Skill sucks but not as much as op says it does
I have no problem with any post as long as it doesn't spew immaturity such as "l2p" / "git gud" / "u suk noob"
How else am I supposed to react?Edited by Veuth on February 15, 2017 3:54PM0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
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You need to l2p because you clearly don't understand how damage scales based on max stats and spell/weapon damage. As a result you've made a rather comical thread where you insist that an ability that a large portion of the game uses successfully is the worst ability in the game. Given that such a colossal amount of the player base can understand the way damage scaling works in this game and figure out a way to make this ability a cornerstone of MANY highly effective aoe builds while you struggle to find its uses or make it work, yes I do believe you need to l2p.
Perhaps, instead of getting all defensive on forums when people try to help you, try listening to players who are better at this game than you and understand that this skill is only trash for you because your build is trash and you've got no clue what you're doing in this game. Why can't you just learn to play the game and see that this skill is not only one of the worst skills, but its actually in the top tier of skills available to ANY class.4 -
Veuth✭✭✭
You need to l2p because you clearly don't understand how damage scales based on max stats and spell/weapon damage. As a result you've made a rather comical thread where you insist that an ability that a large portion of the game uses successfully is the worst ability in the game. Given that such a colossal amount of the player base can understand the way damage scaling works in this game and figure out a way to make this ability a cornerstone of MANY highly effective aoe builds while you struggle to find its uses or make it work, yes I do believe you need to l2p.
Perhaps, instead of getting all defensive on forums when people try to help you, try listening to players who are better at this game than you and understand that this skill is only trash for you because your build is trash and you've got no clue what you're doing in this game. Why can't you just learn to play the game and see that this skill is not only one of the worst skills, but its actually in the top tier of skills available to ANY class.
So people typing "l2p" is supposed to help me improve? Wowza! I guess I'm gonna be pro at this game now from all the lovely l2p comments, thanks!0 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You can't measure whether a skill is crap or not with stats like yours. You have 51 attribute points meaning you are not end level and far from cp600. Then you haven't mentioned your gear setup or your buff food/ mundus etc. and the damn skill isn't morphed so you don't have can't compare it on a competitive level.
Nevertheless drain power and power extraction are poorly balanced skills which need some buffs.
You can block me if you think it helps you but this is a get gud thread with an OP who wants to find only people who support his arguments and flames everyone who has an other opinion.
Tl:dr Skill sucks but not as much as op says it does
I have no problem with any post as long as it doesn't spew immaturity such as "l2p" / "git gud" / "u suk noob"
How else am I supposed to react?
Not reacting like a dismissive know it all would lower the amount of "l2p" responses. The OP has an antagonistic tone and its not surprising people have commented as they have.
In general, an unmorphed ability scaling to an attribute a DPS does not specialize is going to be a very poor indicator of its potential power and utility. That's just how the game is atm.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.5 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
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You need to l2p because you clearly don't understand how damage scales based on max stats and spell/weapon damage. As a result you've made a rather comical thread where you insist that an ability that a large portion of the game uses successfully is the worst ability in the game. Given that such a colossal amount of the player base can understand the way damage scaling works in this game and figure out a way to make this ability a cornerstone of MANY highly effective aoe builds while you struggle to find its uses or make it work, yes I do believe you need to l2p.
Perhaps, instead of getting all defensive on forums when people try to help you, try listening to players who are better at this game than you and understand that this skill is only trash for you because your build is trash and you've got no clue what you're doing in this game. Why can't you just learn to play the game and see that this skill is not only one of the worst skills, but its actually in the top tier of skills available to ANY class.
So people typing "l2p" is supposed to help me improve? Wowza! I guess I'm gonna be pro at this game now from all the lovely l2p comments, thanks!
I would have bothered to explain to you what you're doing wrong if you weren't such a self-righteous combative blow hard who was certain he knew everything.
ITT: OP is trash and wants to stay trashEdited by Lexxypwns on February 15, 2017 4:11PM7 -
Veuth✭✭✭
You need to l2p because you clearly don't understand how damage scales based on max stats and spell/weapon damage. As a result you've made a rather comical thread where you insist that an ability that a large portion of the game uses successfully is the worst ability in the game. Given that such a colossal amount of the player base can understand the way damage scaling works in this game and figure out a way to make this ability a cornerstone of MANY highly effective aoe builds while you struggle to find its uses or make it work, yes I do believe you need to l2p.
Perhaps, instead of getting all defensive on forums when people try to help you, try listening to players who are better at this game than you and understand that this skill is only trash for you because your build is trash and you've got no clue what you're doing in this game. Why can't you just learn to play the game and see that this skill is not only one of the worst skills, but its actually in the top tier of skills available to ANY class.
So people typing "l2p" is supposed to help me improve? Wowza! I guess I'm gonna be pro at this game now from all the lovely l2p comments, thanks!
I would have bothered to explain to you what you're doing wrong if you weren't such a self-righteous combative blow hard who was certain he knew everything.
ITT: OP is trash and wants to stay trash
Haha, look at your name! Shouldn't you be playing Call of Duty or something? The only thing you pwn is my brain cells from the insane amount of stupidity you post.Edited by Veuth on February 15, 2017 4:15PM0 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Truthfully, this is a l2p scenario. Allow me to explain:
First, respec and put all your attribute points into Stamina
Next, every base skill in your 3 class lines costs Magicka, and such their damage and healing will scale off your Max Magicka and Spell Damage
But their are class skills that can be converted into a Stamina skill upon morphing it. Drain Power is one of those -> Power Extraction
When you do all of that, the result will be a nice AoE skill that, while still somewhat inferior to DW Steel Tornado, provides you with the Major Brutality buff and hits rather hard. This makes it a viable alternative for those times that you're not using DW
Hope this helps. Toodles and git gud
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✭OP: When numerous experienced people tell you that your understanding of skills and their power is a l2p issue, you might consider that those people are right and you may be wrong with your complaints and views on the matter.PC EU - Ebonheart Pact - Gray Host - Death Recap -#zergfarming -6 -
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Drain Power for the NB is the most garbage ability I've ever used. This is the last ability unlocked in the Siphoning skill line so it makes zero sense how this is super weak in comparison to just about everything else.
This ability only does 1k AoE damage in total which is TERRIBLE because the average enemy I come across has approximately 45k health. The healing sucks too and even Rendering Slashes
(the first ability in the Dual Wield skill line) heals me more than this ability.
Drain Power seriously needs a MAJOR buff!
Inb4 "L2P" & "this is the best ability evurr! i hope they nerf it!!"
Lol, i get 15 k + crits on Sap essence, and i can heal for like 10 k with 1 press of a button if i have at least some mobs around, and with no one around i can still heal for 3 k. I think that you should rework your build, in other words ltp.
With that said, if you are stamina and you are using the magicka morph, then that proves my point even more, LTP.
Just some time ago there has been a discussion about zenimax and the streamers scandal... my point of view was that it's much better to leave the balancing to have people who understand the game mechanics, instead of relying on the average person. See, this is what i'm talking about, the op is completely oblivious to how the game works.
Here's my suggestion for zenimax if you read this, don't take any feedback when it comes to balancing the game, take only the posts that are backed up by facts, reason, logic, statistics etc....Edited by JinMori on February 15, 2017 5:42PM1 -
Veuth✭✭✭OP: When numerous experienced people tell you that your understanding of skills and their power is a l2p issue, you might consider that those people are right and you may be wrong with your complaints and views on the matter.
There's a difference between giving advice and then using derogatory remarks such as "l2p", it's just petty and rude.0 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OP: When numerous experienced people tell you that your understanding of skills and their power is a l2p issue, you might consider that those people are right and you may be wrong with your complaints and views on the matter.
There's a difference between giving advice and then using derogatory remarks such as "l2p", it's just petty and rude.
You brought this on yourself, because you made a post about something that you do not understand. And ltp isn't rude at all.1 -
kadar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sap Essence and Power Extraction are both powerful skills. Speaking as a stamina NB, PE does great damage compared to other abilities of it's type. It loses to Steel Tornado due to it's innate execute, but only if you're getting Major Brutality from some other place. PE is a really good option if you're wanting to run DW/Bow and not drop the cash on Brutality pots.
edit: all base unmorphed skills are weak. Especially when you're playing some sort of hybrid build.
You basically made a thread about something you're inexperienced with and then ended with a clause making fun of anyone who would disagree with you. I don't know why you're surprised with the reaction you've gotten.Inb4 "L2P" & "this is the best ability evurr! i hope they nerf it!!"Edited by kadar on February 15, 2017 5:46PM4 -
kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It gives you major brutality. Which is pretty good. The stamina one is still not so great, but it gives you Major Brutality0 -
Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dude, wait till you morph it, then come back here and rage about how it sucks.
You'll find that it's not as bad as you think it is.
Code is right, its got decent damage and can be compared to steel tornado, but as he said, steel tornado does better due to passives and having a built in execute. Buy if you were using a two hander for some reason, it becomes a useful skill to have for AoE.
Lol?? I'm not saying that Power Extraction and Sap Essence both suck, I'm saying the unmorphed version sucks so why would I come back and "rage" about it when I no longer have to deal with the incredibly weak version?
Every other unmorphed ability was NEVER as weak as this one.
What is the point in QQing about a skill that isn't even designed to cater to your build???
You are using a MAGICKA skill for your STAMINA build. Crying about how bad the unmorphed version is pointless. A magicka build using Drain Power will have an entirely different opinion than you because it fits into their build. It doesn't fit into yours, period.
You say it's not a L2P issue but here you are using a magicka skill in a stamina build and don't know why it sucks? Morph it and use Power Extraction or get rid of it. Drain Power is not for your build. Every stamblade who ever used Drain Power only did so to get to Power Extraction and every one of them had the decency to morph the skill before going on an ignorant rant. I've helped about as many new and returning players as I have days played on my main and I've never seen someone flip out over something so blatantly obvious before. I mean c'mon, calm down and use your brain.
You obviously need to learn to read too. The skill isn't giving you trouble. YOU are giving you trouble. You could have morphed the skill to something worthwhile in the time it took to you post all these pointless rant replies.Edited by Autolycus on February 15, 2017 5:51PM4 -
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No, it's because you don't understand how Attributes feed into Skills and what Morphs to take based on the Attributes you choose. You also don't seem to be deep into Champ Ranks so that is something else that matters.
The difference between being a Boss in this game and a Scrub comes down to:
1. How you allocate your resources,
2. The gear you select
3. What Morphs you choose
4. Your rotations in combat. It all feeds off of each other.
But, you can take a max CP character and make them just suck by messing up just one of these. If you want to see a taste of how all this works together behind the scenes, see this thread
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318595/introduction-to-pve-damage-calculation-homestead/p1
And, yes, the last couple of skills in every class kind of suck until you get them to Morph Stage and take a Morph. Do not decide on skill based on it's pre-morph performance. You will be doing your self a disservice.
So, you have been given good advice in this thread, and how to make this skill that is initially meh one of the main parts of your rotation. I suggest you take it to heart, or your just not going to have fun.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Veuth✭✭✭I have already morphed it now and it works like a charm, the unmorphed version still needs improving though because the damage is so small it's pointless to use despite being the last ability in the Siphoning skill line.
Every other MAGICKA based ability has worked perfectly for me EXCEPT this one, which leads me to believe it's underpowered. 19 Magicka is quite a lot so it makes no sense how it does weak damage.
lul scrub git gud l2p noob ez
There, I just saved you the trouble.0