Why am I forced to start the game again to use the new Warden class?

KochDerDamonen · February 2017

Mwnci wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

LordGavus wrote: »

You have to do that with all alt classes. Why should warden be different?

Because when I selected the character I have now there was no Warden to select. Now there is, but I can't replace my current character with it.

When I bought my Renault Megane IV at the end of last year, there was no Megane IV RS. In 2018 there will be but I can't freely replace my car with it. :'(

@Mwnci If you BUY it(like, I don't know, we would have to pay for the expansion AND a class change???), you can. What does this even mean, what is the purpose of a mockery like this? Pointless contrarianism.

drakhan2002_ESO · February 2017

CarbonX wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

I don't get the obsession with forcing people to start a fresh character to play a class. For the record, I enjoy the levelling experience.

...as my current main, a character I've played for 2 years and would have made a Warden instead of a Templar if available. Why not let me give ZOS some $$$ to make that happen? Seriously, one good reason, anyone

This.

The Warden didn't exist at the time and thus was not an option. Just because you want to change now that it is coming is not a good reason. Things change. Stop feeling like a victim.

tinythinker · February 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

LordGavus wrote: »

You have to do that with all alt classes. Why should warden be different?

Because when I selected the character I have now there was no Warden to select. Now there is, but I can't replace my current character with it.

@CarbonX

It may be best not to purchase Morrowind if you have no desires to make a new character from scratch.

Untrue. Warden is only one small part of the content.

@tinythinker
In context to the OP

Even for the OP, there is much else in the new content besides a new class

Dragonnord · February 2017

Mwnci wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

LordGavus wrote: »

You have to do that with all alt classes. Why should warden be different?

Because when I selected the character I have now there was no Warden to select. Now there is, but I can't replace my current character with it.

When I bought my Renault Megane IV at the end of last year, there was no Megane IV RS. In 2018 there will be but I can't freely replace my car with it. :'(

You read my whole comment? I didn't say "freely", I even mentioned paying for it. Yes, same as you can pay to replace your car in your comment.

redspecter23 · February 2017

ZOS could allow class change. It wouldn't unbalance anything more than race change does currently. They've chosen not to do so and that's their choice. I'd love a class change as well for my main character but it looks like it's not happening, at least for now. You can still play a warden if you're willing to play on more than one character. Give it a shot. I've got 12 maxed toons and can't wait to have 2 more added to that, however I understand that I'm on the complete opposite side of the situation from you. I play way too many characters.

LordGavus · February 2017

Mwnci wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

LordGavus wrote: »

You have to do that with all alt classes. Why should warden be different?

Because when I selected the character I have now there was no Warden to select. Now there is, but I can't replace my current character with it.

When I bought my Renault Megane IV at the end of last year, there was no Megane IV RS. In 2018 there will be but I can't freely replace my car with it. :'(

That's a good point. Last year I bought a GTX980, 3 weeks later the 1080 was announced. I should have been entitled to a free replacement.

KochDerDamonen · February 2017

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

I don't get the obsession with forcing people to start a fresh character to play a class. For the record, I enjoy the levelling experience.

...as my current main, a character I've played for 2 years and would have made a Warden instead of a Templar if available. Why not let me give ZOS some $$$ to make that happen? Seriously, one good reason, anyone

This.

The Warden didn't exist at the time and thus was not an option. Just because you want to change now that it is coming is not a good reason. Things change. Stop feeling like a victim.

A victim? lol chief, don't try and paint people as playing a victim, just for holding a different view.

The Warden was not an option before, after many of us have chosen a class up to 10(or more?) times before. This is a perfectly good reason in favor of adding the option to change characters to this new class.

Dragonnord · February 2017

redspecter23 wrote: »

ZOS could allow class change. It wouldn't unbalance anything more than race change does currently. They've chosen not to do so and that's their choice. I'd love a class change as well for my main character but it looks like it's not happening, at least for now. You can still play a warden if you're willing to play on more than one character. Give it a shot. I've got 12 maxed toons and can't wait to have 2 more added to that, however I understand that I'm on the complete opposite side of the situation from you. I play way too many characters.

Thanks for a so polite response @redspecter23, different from many others here that when they don't understand a situation or don't agree with it, they just attack and use sarcasm over the OP.

Mwnci · February 2017

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Mwnci wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

LordGavus wrote: »

You have to do that with all alt classes. Why should warden be different?

Because when I selected the character I have now there was no Warden to select. Now there is, but I can't replace my current character with it.

When I bought my Renault Megane IV at the end of last year, there was no Megane IV RS. In 2018 there will be but I can't freely replace my car with it. :'(

@Mwnci If you BUY it(like, I don't know, we would have to pay for the expansion AND a class change???), you can. What does this even mean, what is the purpose of a mockery like this? Pointless contrarianism.

It means that if I want the RS I need to buy the RS.
Just like OP needs to create a new Warden instead of sitting around wishing for class changes because he can't be bothered to level a new character ( there are games that allow this, ie: FF - but ESO is not one of them ), whilst simultaneously blaming ZOS for HIS decision to play that way.

Class changes don't exist in this game and speculating about it achieves nothing so I won't address it ( just like I didn't in my post ).

Edit in bold.

Ajaxduo · February 2017

CarbonX wrote: »

Everyone is "Wow! Warden! New class! OMG! So cool! Warden! Wow!"... ... ...

I only use one character and I do everything with him in the game, from PvE, to PvP, to try go get all achievements in the game, etc.

So, new content is coming, I have to pay for it if I want it, but I'm forced to put my current character aside and play all the game again if I want to use the Warden? Why? (I know Morrowind has a lot of stuff to do, but this thread points to the use of the new class only).

Why I can't have an option to use the Warden with the character I have now (class change)?

Why am I forced to start the game from scratch and repeat all I have been doing for +2 years if I want to play with the Warden?

Or, am I also forced to create a Warden character, don't do any PvE (well, forcedly some to level it up) and use it for PvP only?

Why this game forces people to have more than one character and so do all things over again?

How I see things; ZOS doesn't think nor cares for players that play just one character.

Class change please, even if with crowns.

You are not being forced to do anything, just like you weren't forced to grind all those titles in your signature ;p

AnviOfVai · February 2017

Humatiel wrote: »

katiesmith12341 wrote: »

Well they could offer a start off at 160 champ for the warden? (of course it will need to be paid for) Some player's don't actually get a lot of time to level characters and it can take months. I can understand the frustration of leveling a character from the beginning up again...OR they could allow class switch on a character you already have leveled up..but in this situation you are kind of stuck... but if they did allow class switch, you could always switch it back again...however this still does not help the fact you will need to level out your skill line from the beginning. I am now champ 414 and that has taken me 2 years, but I do have numerous characters I play...although i normally just stick with the 3 at level 50 now. I am also a PVP player so I understand exactly what you are saying.

while I'm not opposed to the idea of buying a level 50 alt (assuming the main was at least 50), it takes ~10 hours to grind from 1 to 50 so trying to say it takes months is a bit of a stretch.

You said the word "grind" Grinding in a game is never fun in my opinion, to be honest I despise it.. I have done it...and I loose interest very quickly.

The point is when the game released you had a new story. You had characters you could explore on and level with different stories with different factions. That made leveling fun.

What level does Morrowind allow you to start at? if it is like a full brand new game and you can start morrowind at level 1 then cool thats fine, I probably would love going through the story that way. But if I had to re-do the eso story again to get my leveling/grind to play morrowind... my interest plummets. As I said I would love to play the Warden class but once I play morrowind's story once its back to PVP again.

I remember having to level my Vet characters, the fact that i had a Vet 7 at the time and a Vet 4 was great seeing that my other Vet was getting shoved up to my highest level. Win.

All I am seeing in my head is this little level 1 character and me thinking:

Dragonnord · February 2017

Mwnci wrote: »

It means that if I want the RS I need to buy the RS.
Just like OP needs to create a new Warden instead of sitting around wishing for class changes because he can't be bothered to level a new character ( there are games that allow this, ie: FF - but ESO is not one of them ).

Class changes don't exist in this game and speculating about it achieves nothing so I won't address it ( just like I didn't in my post ).

Well, you can buy the RS to replace your current car. Why I can't uy the Warden (RS) to replace my actual character (current car)?

KochDerDamonen · February 2017

Mwnci wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Mwnci wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

LordGavus wrote: »

You have to do that with all alt classes. Why should warden be different?

Because when I selected the character I have now there was no Warden to select. Now there is, but I can't replace my current character with it.

When I bought my Renault Megane IV at the end of last year, there was no Megane IV RS. In 2018 there will be but I can't freely replace my car with it. :'(

@Mwnci If you BUY it(like, I don't know, we would have to pay for the expansion AND a class change???), you can. What does this even mean, what is the purpose of a mockery like this? Pointless contrarianism.

It means that if I want the RS I need to buy the RS.
Just like OP needs to create a new Warden instead of sitting around wishing for class changes because he can't be bothered to level a new character ( there are games that allow this, ie: FF - but ESO is not one of them ).

Class changes don't exist in this game and speculating about it achieves nothing so I won't address it ( just like I didn't in my post ).

@Mwnci No one cares about levelling to 50, everyone knows it's easy. There is no similarity between buying anew car and having to make a new character in any meaningful way to this conversation.

Race change used to not exist, and it does now.

Nic727 · February 2017

I agree with OP. I only have one character in the game and trying to research and craft everything. I don't want to start from scratch. My character is a Bosmer and I think Warden could fit much better the personality of my character (nature + healing) instead of Templar (light + healing).

LordGavus · February 2017

katiesmith12341 wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

katiesmith12341 wrote: »

Well they could offer a start off at 160 champ for the warden? (of course it will need to be paid for) Some player's don't actually get a lot of time to level characters and it can take months. I can understand the frustration of leveling a character from the beginning up again...OR they could allow class switch on a character you already have leveled up..but in this situation you are kind of stuck... but if they did allow class switch, you could always switch it back again...however this still does not help the fact you will need to level out your skill line from the beginning. I am now champ 414 and that has taken me 2 years, but I do have numerous characters I play...although i normally just stick with the 3 at level 50 now. I am also a PVP player so I understand exactly what you are saying.

while I'm not opposed to the idea of buying a level 50 alt (assuming the main was at least 50), it takes ~10 hours to grind from 1 to 50 so trying to say it takes months is a bit of a stretch.

You said the word "grind" Grinding in a game is never fun in my opinion, to be honest I despise it.. I have done it...and I loose interest very quickly.

The point is when the game released you had a new story. You had characters you could explore on and level with different stories with different factions. That made leveling fun.

What level does Morrowind allow you to start at? if it is like a full brand new game and you can start morrowind at level 1 then cool thats fine, I probably would love going through the story that way. But if I had to re-do the eso story again to get my leveling/grind to play morrowind... my interest plummets. As I said I would love to play the Warden class but once I play morrowind's story once its back to PVP again.

I remember having to level my Vet characters, the fact that i had a Vet 7 at the time and a Vet 4 was great seeing that my other Vet was getting shoved up to my highest level. Win.

All I am seeing in my head is this little level 1 character and me thinking:

Grinding is no good. But it does look like you can start Morrowind with a level 1.

From welcome to 2017:

Each ESO Chapter will feature a self-contained story and zone that can be experienced by itself without needing to travel out to the main game. Our content is never level-gated, which means you can play Chapters with an existing character, or a completely new one.

Dragonnord · February 2017

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Race change used to not exist, and it does now.

This.

Many goes bla, bla, bla with "This will never happen", "That will never happen", "That is IMPOSSIBLE to happen", and then, time later, they eat their words.

I've seen that in video games for years! That many assure thing will never happen and then, boom! Implemented.

Many here think they are gods of the forums, that know everything, but they don't know a thing...

Mwnci · February 2017

CarbonX wrote: »

Mwnci wrote: »

It means that if I want the RS I need to buy the RS.
Just like OP needs to create a new Warden instead of sitting around wishing for class changes because he can't be bothered to level a new character ( there are games that allow this, ie: FF - but ESO is not one of them ).

Class changes don't exist in this game and speculating about it achieves nothing so I won't address it ( just like I didn't in my post ).

Well, you can buy the RS to replace your current car. Why I can't uy the Warden (RS) to replace my actual character (current car)?

Because you're buying a fully leveled Warden, which is like me buying an RS for the price of the GT because the RS wasn't available at the time.

( The car analogy isn't very good, I'll admit )

I'll need to fork out the full price for the RS, and you'll need to level your Warden from the beginning.

Bobby_V_Rockit · February 2017

Account wide skyshards once you hit level 50 mayhaps? 1-50 learn how to play the new class, champion rank away you go!

Edit: spelling

Kneighbors · February 2017

CarbonX wrote: »

Everyone is "Wow! Warden! New class! OMG! So cool! Warden! Wow!"... ... ...

I only use one character and I do everything with him in the game, from PvE, to PvP, to try go get all achievements in the game, etc.

So, new content is coming, I have to pay for it if I want it, but I'm forced to put my current character aside and play all the game again if I want to use the Warden? Why? (I know Morrowind has a lot of stuff to do, but this thread points to the use of the new class only).

Why I can't have an option to use the Warden with the character I have now (class change)?

Why am I forced to start the game from scratch and repeat all I have been doing for +2 years if I want to play with the Warden?

Or, am I also forced to create a Warden character, don't do any PvE (well, forcedly some to level it up) and use it for PvP only?

Why this game forces people to have more than one character and so do all things over again?

How I see things; ZOS doesn't think nor cares for players that play just one character.

Class change please, even if with crowns.

LOL man, I feel so sad for you. First of all leveling up characters is fun. Second, you surely missed atleast 80% content of the game by not even trying any other characters or roles. You don't know which buffs and debuffs each class uses. You are just a casual player with one character playing your boring game for 2 years. I started playing this game 3 month ago, right now i have 5 cp500 characters with different roles and classes. You got to cp700 within 2 years. Were you researching traits and pumping horse the rest of time?

For me it will be fun to level up a new character. With any update there gonna be wild people who will feel bad. There are actually people who dislike new stuff coming. They like to make same routine day after day and if anything ruins that routine their day is screwed.

Kuroinu · February 2017

Hahaha, look at all these people shooting you down. They know nothing of a quality MMO. @CarbonX you make perfect sense, don't let this barrage of "grind lovers" discourage you or whatever you want to call people that make 8 Characters in a MMO. It truly is crazy to do such a thing. I'm surprised they don't have class change tokens in the crown store. The game is still lacking many QoL things, this included.

I also play one character, it's a system I got used to from FFXI. But ESO relies on players recreating characters and grinding all over again. How many times have you all done the Dungeons in ESO? How many times have you done anything but these Trials/Dungeons? That is all ESO has to offer in End Game, so people get bored fast and create new characters to play different classes.

I came back to ESO after One Tamriel and it was fun for a time, but this game gets boring so fast because of what I detailed in my second paragraph that there really isn't much else to do End Game besides the same old Dungeons and also noticing the same issues/bugs that have plagued this game when I left initially. I'm so glad FFXIV has a new expansion coming out in June also, I'd rather play a MMO with a layer of quality that has many other things to do besides run Dungeon after Dungeon.

FFXIV had it's own problems early on during it's re-release, which were similar to ESO in that End Game was limited. I left the game late December 2014 and haven't went back since, but I've kept tabs on how it's been improving, just like I kept tabs on ESO. But I think it's time to say adios to ESO for me, for good, because FFXIV, to put it simply is my type of system that I enjoy. Where I can create a single character and play many different classes.

Maybe you should think to do the same OP. This game isn't meant for those that like to play one character. Some players might not understand at all and it's probably why they are clueless as to why you'd want such a thing as class change. But playing one character for a long time, you build up a certain attachment I guess and that simply making a new character just doesn't work.

Anyway, I've said many things about ESO on these forums over the time I've been here, good and bad. I look at ESOs future and I don't want to be apart of it. I don't mean to sound harsh, but well, the truth can be harsh and that's why usually many don't want to hear the truth. So anyway! Sayonara!

KochDerDamonen · February 2017

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Account wide skyshards once you hit level 50 mayhaps? 1-50 learn how to play the new class, champion rank away you go!

Edit: spelling

Doesn't fix anything, care about the character I wish to classchange not his skyshards. One does not learn a class levelling 1-50

AnviOfVai · February 2017

Mwnci wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

Mwnci wrote: »

It means that if I want the RS I need to buy the RS.
Just like OP needs to create a new Warden instead of sitting around wishing for class changes because he can't be bothered to level a new character ( there are games that allow this, ie: FF - but ESO is not one of them ).

Class changes don't exist in this game and speculating about it achieves nothing so I won't address it ( just like I didn't in my post ).

Well, you can buy the RS to replace your current car. Why I can't uy the Warden (RS) to replace my actual character (current car)?

Because you're buying a fully leveled Warden, which is like me buying an RS for the price of the GT because the RS wasn't available at the time.

( The car analogy isn't very good, I'll admit )

I'll need to fork out the full price for the RS, and you'll need to level your Warden from the beginning.

Look at SWTOR New chapter = new level 60 token

You get the basic skills and as you go through the first chapter you unlock the rest of the skills. You also can trash the character before you reach level 63 which is nice and you can reuse the token for another character

code65536 · February 2017

CarbonX wrote: »

LordGavus wrote: »

You have to do that with all alt classes. Why should warden be different?

Because when I selected the character I have now there was no Warden to select. Now there is, but I can't replace my current character with it.

Yet the classes at launch were very different than they are now.

And how do you know that you'd want to make your main a Warden if you've never even seen the class or played it. And how do you know you'd want to keep your main as a Warden through the years as the class changes?

My main isn't necessarily the character that's most effective or that's most fun to play--my main is the character that has the most history and sentiment attached to it. Because the former changes. The latter is constant.

KochDerDamonen · February 2017

code65536 wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

LordGavus wrote: »

You have to do that with all alt classes. Why should warden be different?

Because when I selected the character I have now there was no Warden to select. Now there is, but I can't replace my current character with it.

Yet the classes at launch were very different than they are now.

And how do you know that you'd want to make your main a Warden if you've never even seen the class or played it. And how do you know you'd want to keep your main as a Warden through the years as the class changes?

My main isn't necessarily the character that's most effective or that's most fun to play--my main is the character that has the most history and sentiment attached to it. Because the former changes. The latter is constant.

@code65536 This sentiment is exactly why I want a classchange. I am attached to my character, not his stats. If Warden was bromen, buggy and sucky... I would still be happier with him as a Warden. It's the themes, the same reason I picked Templar in the first place, it was the closest fit.

Mwnci · February 2017

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

No one cares about levelling to 50, everyone knows it's easy.

Then there's no problem leveling the Warden, is there?

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

There is no similarity between buying anew car and having to make a new character in any meaningful way to this conversation.

OP wants to class change to a fully leveled Warden ( or whatever his current level is ); to me, that would be like expecting Renault to give me an RS (for a small fee) because it wasn't available when I bought my GT.
I need to buy a new RS, Op needs to level his Warden.
Seems like a workable -if not very good- comparison to me.

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Race change used to not exist, and it does now.

Were OP's post a suggestion for a class change, my response would be different. It's not. It's a complaint about how ZOS doesn't care about players who only play with one character and how he's forced to do things.

Mwnci · February 2017

katiesmith12341 wrote: »

Mwnci wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

Mwnci wrote: »

It means that if I want the RS I need to buy the RS.
Just like OP needs to create a new Warden instead of sitting around wishing for class changes because he can't be bothered to level a new character ( there are games that allow this, ie: FF - but ESO is not one of them ).

Class changes don't exist in this game and speculating about it achieves nothing so I won't address it ( just like I didn't in my post ).

Well, you can buy the RS to replace your current car. Why I can't uy the Warden (RS) to replace my actual character (current car)?

Because you're buying a fully leveled Warden, which is like me buying an RS for the price of the GT because the RS wasn't available at the time.

( The car analogy isn't very good, I'll admit )

I'll need to fork out the full price for the RS, and you'll need to level your Warden from the beginning.

Look at SWTOR New chapter = new level 60 token You get the basic skills and as you go through the first chapter you unlock the rest of the skills. You also can trash the character before you reach level 63 which is nice and you can reuse the token for another character

I initially liked that idea. Then I tried it.

Class changes are an abomination.

Solid_Metal · February 2017

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

I don't get the obsession with forcing people to start a fresh character to play a class. For the record, I enjoy the levelling experience.

...as my current main, a character I've played for 2 years and would have made a Warden instead of a Templar if available. Why not let me give ZOS some $$$ to make that happen? Seriously, one good reason, anyone

This.

The Warden didn't exist at the time and thus was not an option. Just because you want to change now that it is coming is not a good reason. Things change. Stop feeling like a victim.

playing victim is the easiest way i guess

idk · February 2017

@CarbonX

You do not have to play the warden. It is a choice and no one requires you to do so.

To answer your question, you are required to start a new character and level it to play any class other than the one you already play. Since you have limited yourself to only one character and hence one class this should not be such a big deal.

With that, you will not get a class change because, well, there is little reason other than your personal desires which is, well, personal. It is so easy to level up a new character and really no reason for others to be upset about any achievements you may be obsessed about.

Do not want to start a new character, then do not. Want to rage in the forums, well, obviously it is your right. Expect class change to be added, doubtful.

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

I don't get the obsession with forcing people to start a fresh character to play a class. For the record, I enjoy the levelling experience.

...as my current main, a character I've played for 2 years and would have made a Warden instead of a Templar if available. Why not let me give ZOS some $$$ to make that happen? Seriously, one good reason, anyone

This.

The Warden didn't exist at the time and thus was not an option. Just because you want to change now that it is coming is not a good reason. Things change. Stop feeling like a victim.

and this.

strikeback1247 · February 2017

Jesus christ, this has to be a troll. You could make the same arguments for any class in the game.
"I only play one sorcerer character, so why should I make a new one to use dragonknight standard?"

It takes very little time to level a new character to max. I just levelled a new magicka dk in a week by just casual questing.

Valencer · February 2017

I like how we know nothing about the new Warden class besides "Ice magic and bears" and people are acting like this is the class they were destined to play and that it's somehow a crime against humanity that you cant change your main character's class to it.