Blacksmithing Writ Algorithm solved!
(for those curious see attachment. Data used is tab 1, reference values tab 2, and formula to calculate for any possible writ tab 3).
Did not have enough data to include all motifs, thus Primal, Minotaur, Abah's Watch, Dro-m'Athra, and Hallowjack are not evaluated.
Most notable:
If legendary is requested a "value" is MULTIPLIED by 3.8.
If nirnhoned is requested a "value" is MULTIPLIED by 6.
If both are requested a "value" is MULTIPLIED by 22.8 (same of above individually).
If legendary AND nirnhoned AND 9-trait set requested, MULTIPLY VALUE BY 45.6 (basically double one previous).
Highest possible writ reward will come from 9-trait set, legendary, nirnhoned, request in Celestial, Draugr, Akaviri, Glass, Yokudan, or Order of the Hour. This will reward 328 writs.
As of PTS patch notes 2.7.3, Akaviri writ value is increase 10%. Would need more data to see what variable was changed.
Thank you again @Dominoid for the original data sheet.
Carbonised wrote: »Legendary items are weighted extremely low compared to Nirnhoned. It takes 1 nirnstone to make such an item, it takes 8 Alloys to make a legendary. 1 armor nirncrux costs about 3k, 8 Alloys cost 80k. And the nirn writ is rewarded higher than the legendary one. Wtf?
IwakuraLain42 wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »Legendary items are weighted extremely low compared to Nirnhoned. It takes 1 nirnstone to make such an item, it takes 8 Alloys to make a legendary. 1 armor nirncrux costs about 3k, 8 Alloys cost 80k. And the nirn writ is rewarded higher than the legendary one. Wtf?
And these are the PC prices, for Console you can multiply that by 2x/3x. These prices have been quite stable during the last 3 months. I don't think the design team checked our prices before designing these writs ...
If we really dig way down in history, we might find reasons like that. But now nirn is 5..10% compared to Legendary cost. Nirn deserves the beating.DRXHarbinger wrote: »There is too much beating on nirn here. Yes nirns are way cheaper for instance it cost me over 500k gold buying the items to research in the 1st place. That's probably what has been factored into it.
I think the PTS is just slower. I need to do the E spamming a bit slower than in live to prevent that skipping.oneonesixb14_ESO wrote: »I think I hit a bug in the writ system where I was unable to receive a new daily writ. Here's what happened:
1. Accept all three 3 consumable writs
2. Wait till the next day
3. Complete all 3 writs and turn them in
4. At this point I received a master writ and I think I let it go to my inventory, and then I opened inventory and opened the sealed master writ
5. Go back to the crafting board and take 3 new consumable writs. I spammed read and take using the E key instead of using mouse.
6. I was only given two new writs quests. I expected to get all 3: provisioning, alchemy and enchanting.
Is it possible that the receiving a master writ is somehow interfering with receiving a new daily normal writs?
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH
Crafting & Economy
General
- Updated Alchemy Survey Reports to no longer provide Alchemical Resin. This brings them in line with other Survey Reports.
Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH
Crafting & Economy
General
- Updated Alchemy Survey Reports to no longer provide Alchemical Resin. This brings them in line with other Survey Reports.
Nice! So instead of fixing the bug of Blacksmithing/Clothing/Woodworking/Enchanting surveys not dropping the new housing materials they simply remove it from the alchemy surveys and call it quits! GG Zenimax.
Prepare to farm for a couple hours to build a couple items for your home, then another couple hours to build some more items, farming your socks off in the housing patch rat race! Or buy them for incredibly inflated prices on the market.
This is imo a poor and lazy attempt at a fix and IF it was not intended to drop housing materials from crafting surveys in first place, I see literally no reason why that should have been the case...The ONLY way to retrieve these items which are needed in abundance is farming nodes or buying from people who farmed nodes..
Perfect opportunity to reward crafters and inject a decent supply of these mats in the market, instead you've removed them completely besides farming nodes and therefore created a very frustrating, laborious approach for decorating homes.
Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH
Crafting & Economy
General
- Updated Alchemy Survey Reports to no longer provide Alchemical Resin. This brings them in line with other Survey Reports.
Nice! So instead of fixing the bug of Blacksmithing/Clothing/Woodworking/Enchanting surveys not dropping the new housing materials they simply remove it from the alchemy surveys and call it quits! GG Zenimax.
Prepare to farm for a couple hours to build a couple items for your home, then another couple hours to build some more items, farming your socks off in the housing patch rat race! Or buy them for incredibly inflated prices on the market.
This is imo a poor and lazy attempt at a fix and IF it was not intended to drop housing materials from crafting surveys in first place, I see literally no reason why that should have been the case...The ONLY way to retrieve these items which are needed in abundance is farming nodes or buying from people who farmed nodes..
Perfect opportunity to reward crafters and inject a decent supply of these mats in the market, instead you've removed them completely besides farming nodes and therefore created a very frustrating, laborious approach for decorating homes.
This decision saddens me so much I would like to hear wha tthe developers say about this. I see no reason why the new materials wouldn't drop from the survey maps...
Has anyone figured out if knowing partial motifs (like say, 7 chapters out of 14) affects the possibility of getting master writs, or if it is full motif knowledge only? I know it was asked several times in a thread awhile back but I can't seem to locate that thread.
I just want to know if I should bother passing the single pages I find to my alts or if I'd be better off selling them, knowing I will probably never get the whole thing for them.
@ZOS_GinaBruno please let us know how this works!
Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »They removed motifs as requirements for dropping Master Writs as of PTS v2.7.3. So no need to waste time/gold learning styles on alts. Research for Clothing/Blacksmithing/Woodworking take precedent and Consumable writs remain unchanged.
Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »They removed motifs as requirements for dropping Master Writs as of PTS v2.7.3. So no need to waste time/gold learning styles on alts. Research for Clothing/Blacksmithing/Woodworking take precedent and Consumable writs remain unchanged.
That being said ofc if you plan to complete the Master Crafting writ on those characters you need to learn the associated styles that may come up as an order.
Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »They removed motifs as requirements for dropping Master Writs as of PTS v2.7.3. So no need to waste time/gold learning styles on alts. Research for Clothing/Blacksmithing/Woodworking take precedent and Consumable writs remain unchanged.
I think you misread the patch notes if you think that is the case. They just fixed a bug in the way the research side of the equations work, they never said they are getting rid of the motif part of the equation.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH
Master Writs
- Adjusted the drop chance calculations for Master Writs from Clothiering, Blacksmithing, and Woodworking.
- These previously evaluated against all of these skills at once. Now, they only look at your long-term mastery of their own research information when determining your chance of receiving a Master Writ.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
So here is a little crafting achievement issue I just hit.
To get the Master of Refinement achievement you have to have refined raw materials 3,000 times. I wanted to buy an item associated with the achievement so I went to look at how close to the goal I was.
It said that I had refined surprisingly few raw mats (sorry I didn't write down the number since I wasn't expecting the issue). Still, it seemed strange since I am a Master 50 everything and have refined a lot of mats in my day...but okay. Since I was running with 1.1k raw ore, and about 1k raw ancestor silk, I went and refined it all.
The number of mats I have refined is now listed as 568/3000. I don't even know if the number has changed at all, but I just refined 2k items and the number doesn't reflect that. And the achievement is (obviously) still unachievable.
Anyway, just wanted to point that out.
Has anyone figured out if knowing partial motifs (like say, 7 chapters out of 14) affects the possibility of getting master writs, or if it is full motif knowledge only? I know it was asked several times in a thread awhile back but I can't seem to locate that thread.
I just want to know if I should bother passing the single pages I find to my alts or if I'd be better off selling them, knowing I will probably never get the whole thing for them.
@ZOS_GinaBruno please let us know how this works!