PTS Feedback Thread for Master Crafting Writs

  • duzhe
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    Hello guys. Thank you so much for all the work you do - i love the updates so far.

    My crafter is master crafter level in everything.
    Yesterday I did all 6 crafting writs and received only 1 master crafting writ.
    Today I did all 6 of the crafting writs and received none master crafting writs.

  • IwakuraLain42
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    Carbonised wrote: »
    Legendary items are weighted extremely low compared to Nirnhoned. It takes 1 nirnstone to make such an item, it takes 8 Alloys to make a legendary. 1 armor nirncrux costs about 3k, 8 Alloys cost 80k. And the nirn writ is rewarded higher than the legendary one. Wtf?

    And these are the PC prices, for Console you can multiply that by 2x/3x. These prices have been quite stable during the last 3 months. I don't think the design team checked our prices before designing these writs ...
  • Carbonised
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    Carbonised wrote: »
    Legendary items are weighted extremely low compared to Nirnhoned. It takes 1 nirnstone to make such an item, it takes 8 Alloys to make a legendary. 1 armor nirncrux costs about 3k, 8 Alloys cost 80k. And the nirn writ is rewarded higher than the legendary one. Wtf?

    And these are the PC prices, for Console you can multiply that by 2x/3x. These prices have been quite stable during the last 3 months. I don't think the design team checked our prices before designing these writs ...

    Indeed, this is for PC. Poor console people will have much higher numbers to work with for mat costs.

    If at all you are introducing this system on live, ZOS, you need to up the droprate of Roes, gold tempers and Kuta by twice the amount as it is from live. And half the cost for Hakeijo. That is th eonly way it would even make a sliver of sense to do any of these master writs, unless you care nothing about costs and just want to throw away your tempers for nothing.

    In which case my PC EU login is @Carbonised , so feel free to just send them directly to me if you're so inclined to lose them.
  • The_Legendary_Arya
    Again saying, please fix the drop of new housing materials from surveys. They SHOULD drop from all surveys and from the old ones you received prepatch either. Or it will be a mindless grind the next 2 months for everyone.
  • DRXHarbinger
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    There is too much beating on nirn here. Yes nirns are way cheaper for instance it cost me over 500k gold buying the items to research in the 1st place. That's probably what has been factored into it.
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  • helediron
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    There is too much beating on nirn here. Yes nirns are way cheaper for instance it cost me over 500k gold buying the items to research in the 1st place. That's probably what has been factored into it.
    If we really dig way down in history, we might find reasons like that. But now nirn is 5..10% compared to Legendary cost. Nirn deserves the beating.
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  • JKorr
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    I hate to say this, but seeing how the master writs are working, and what is going to be needed to do them, I'm developing a suspicion that all of this, the new mats, the needing tempers, including sets that aren't currently in the game for plans to make normal items is just a method to push people to the crown store and the clown crates.

    If this goes to live in its current incarnation, I'm not going to bother with it at all. I may keep farming mats to attempt to get tempers to sell, but I won't spend thousands of gold for motifs in game, and waste gold tempers to make normal items. Which also kills any point in bothering to buy any of the houses.
  • autumnsongbird
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    dro m'athra motif now in crown store for 6k. I will take this as a sign of things to come. Motifs will be 30k each in game at traders (they already are since PTS went like and people realized that you need to have all the motifs to do them). Everything is being moved to the store.

    Now if that included some actual new content like you know, new maps, new trials, new anything that you could do in game aside from housing stuff, that would be fine. But nope. No new content in pushing on a year. That is really not good for an MMO. Housing and Tam One do not count. Brotherhood was the last actual new game content released. That was May 31, 2016. New when I started the game.
  • saxgooner
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    It definitely sounds like it's going to be a massive let down if it goes live as it is.
    It is going to be down to the RNG gods again to get the writs with an acceptable return of vouchers.
    After the target skeleton first which might take a few days to a few weeks that is presuming I get a master writ a day.
    Luckily I have guildies willing to pass on their writs to me to obtain the guild target skeletons.
    Here's hoping that Monday brings some patch notes and fresh pts adjustments.
  • oneonesixb14_ESO
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    I think I hit a bug in the writ system where I was unable to receive a new daily writ. Here's what happened:

    1. Accept all three 3 consumable writs
    2. Wait till the next day
    3. Complete all 3 writs and turn them in
    4. At this point I received a master writ and I think I let it go to my inventory, and then I opened inventory and opened the sealed master writ
    5. Go back to the crafting board and take 3 new consumable writs. I spammed read and take using the E key instead of using mouse.
    6. I was only given two new writs quests. I expected to get all 3: provisioning, alchemy and enchanting.

    Is it possible that the receiving a master writ is somehow interfering with receiving a new daily normal writs?
  • helediron
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    I think I hit a bug in the writ system where I was unable to receive a new daily writ. Here's what happened:

    1. Accept all three 3 consumable writs
    2. Wait till the next day
    3. Complete all 3 writs and turn them in
    4. At this point I received a master writ and I think I let it go to my inventory, and then I opened inventory and opened the sealed master writ
    5. Go back to the crafting board and take 3 new consumable writs. I spammed read and take using the E key instead of using mouse.
    6. I was only given two new writs quests. I expected to get all 3: provisioning, alchemy and enchanting.

    Is it possible that the receiving a master writ is somehow interfering with receiving a new daily normal writs?
    I think the PTS is just slower. I need to do the E spamming a bit slower than in live to prevent that skipping.
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  • Edenprime
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    FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH



    Crafting & Economy
    General
    • Updated Alchemy Survey Reports to no longer provide Alchemical Resin. This brings them in line with other Survey Reports.

    Nice! So instead of fixing the bug of Blacksmithing/Clothing/Woodworking/Enchanting surveys not dropping the new housing materials they simply remove it from the alchemy surveys and call it quits! GG Zenimax.

    Prepare to farm for a couple hours to build a couple items for your home, then another couple hours to build some more items, farming your socks off in the housing patch rat race! Or buy them for incredibly inflated prices on the market.

    This is imo a poor and lazy attempt at a fix and IF it was not intended to drop housing materials from crafting surveys in first place, I see literally no reason why that should have been the case...The ONLY way to retrieve these items which are needed in abundance is farming nodes or buying from people who farmed nodes..

    Perfect opportunity to reward crafters and inject a decent supply of these mats in the market, instead you've removed them completely besides farming nodes and therefore created a very frustrating, laborious approach for decorating homes.

    This decision saddens me so much :( I would like to hear wha tthe developers say about this. I see no reason why the new materials wouldn't drop from the survey maps...
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  • Grumble_and_Grunt
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    Edenprime wrote: »
    FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH



    Crafting & Economy
    General
    • Updated Alchemy Survey Reports to no longer provide Alchemical Resin. This brings them in line with other Survey Reports.

    Nice! So instead of fixing the bug of Blacksmithing/Clothing/Woodworking/Enchanting surveys not dropping the new housing materials they simply remove it from the alchemy surveys and call it quits! GG Zenimax.

    Prepare to farm for a couple hours to build a couple items for your home, then another couple hours to build some more items, farming your socks off in the housing patch rat race! Or buy them for incredibly inflated prices on the market.

    This is imo a poor and lazy attempt at a fix and IF it was not intended to drop housing materials from crafting surveys in first place, I see literally no reason why that should have been the case...The ONLY way to retrieve these items which are needed in abundance is farming nodes or buying from people who farmed nodes..

    Perfect opportunity to reward crafters and inject a decent supply of these mats in the market, instead you've removed them completely besides farming nodes and therefore created a very frustrating, laborious approach for decorating homes.

    This decision saddens me so much :( I would like to hear wha tthe developers say about this. I see no reason why the new materials wouldn't drop from the survey maps...

    Yep :( me either, I am guessing they're too busy focusing on their next DLC given the new teasers etc that they just want to wrap housing up asap and easy quick/botch fixes take precedent.
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  • Annalyse
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    Has anyone figured out if knowing partial motifs (like say, 7 chapters out of 14) affects the possibility of getting master writs, or if it is full motif knowledge only? I know it was asked several times in a thread awhile back but I can't seem to locate that thread.

    I just want to know if I should bother passing the single pages I find to my alts or if I'd be better off selling them, knowing I will probably never get the whole thing for them.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno please let us know how this works!
    Edited by Annalyse on January 30, 2017 11:20PM
  • Grumble_and_Grunt
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    Annalyse wrote: »
    Has anyone figured out if knowing partial motifs (like say, 7 chapters out of 14) affects the possibility of getting master writs, or if it is full motif knowledge only? I know it was asked several times in a thread awhile back but I can't seem to locate that thread.

    I just want to know if I should bother passing the single pages I find to my alts or if I'd be better off selling them, knowing I will probably never get the whole thing for them.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno please let us know how this works!

    They removed motifs as requirements for dropping Master Writs as of PTS v2.7.3. So no need to waste time/gold learning styles on alts. Research for Clothing/Blacksmithing/Woodworking take precedent and Consumable writs remain unchanged.

    That being said ofc if you plan to complete the Master Crafting writ on those characters you need to learn the associated styles that may come up as an order.
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  • ninti
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    They removed motifs as requirements for dropping Master Writs as of PTS v2.7.3. So no need to waste time/gold learning styles on alts. Research for Clothing/Blacksmithing/Woodworking take precedent and Consumable writs remain unchanged.

    I think you misread the patch notes if you think that is the case. They just fixed a bug in the way the research side of the equations work, they never said they are getting rid of the motif part of the equation.

  • Stanko
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    They removed motifs as requirements for dropping Master Writs as of PTS v2.7.3. So no need to waste time/gold learning styles on alts. Research for Clothing/Blacksmithing/Woodworking take precedent and Consumable writs remain unchanged.

    That being said ofc if you plan to complete the Master Crafting writ on those characters you need to learn the associated styles that may come up as an order.

    I didn't see that information in the patch notes. Can you reference it somewhere?

    Edited by Stanko on January 31, 2017 12:28AM
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  • Grumble_and_Grunt
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    ninti wrote: »
    They removed motifs as requirements for dropping Master Writs as of PTS v2.7.3. So no need to waste time/gold learning styles on alts. Research for Clothing/Blacksmithing/Woodworking take precedent and Consumable writs remain unchanged.

    I think you misread the patch notes if you think that is the case. They just fixed a bug in the way the research side of the equations work, they never said they are getting rid of the motif part of the equation.
    FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH



    Master Writs
    • Adjusted the drop chance calculations for Master Writs from Clothiering, Blacksmithing, and Woodworking.
      • These previously evaluated against all of these skills at once. Now, they only look at your long-term mastery of their own research information when determining your chance of receiving a Master Writ.

    This was what I was referring to. Looking at it again, I did misinterpret it, apologies. Better get buying motifs for my alts again D:. Sorry for that @Annalyse and thanks for correcting me @ninti !
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  • Ninane
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    So here is a little crafting achievement issue I just hit.

    To get the Master of Refinement achievement you have to have refined raw materials 3,000 times. I wanted to buy an item associated with the achievement so I went to look at how close to the goal I was.

    It said that I had refined surprisingly few raw mats (sorry I didn't write down the number since I wasn't expecting the issue). Still, it seemed strange since I am a Master 50 everything and have refined a lot of mats in my day...but okay. Since I was running with 1.1k raw ore, and about 1k raw ancestor silk, I went and refined it all.

    The number of mats I have refined is now listed as 568/3000. I don't even know if the number has changed at all, but I just refined 2k items and the number doesn't reflect that. And the achievement is (obviously) still unachievable.

    Anyway, just wanted to point that out.

  • Kazya
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    2k raw material equals about 200 refining. As it takes 10 raw mat per refined click so to say. That's the reason it takes so long. In short, to reach the achieve you need to refine around 30k raw materials in total. (unless my math is totally off)
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  • saxgooner
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    So here is a little crafting achievement issue I just hit.

    To get the Master of Refinement achievement you have to have refined raw materials 3,000 times. I wanted to buy an item associated with the achievement so I went to look at how close to the goal I was.

    It said that I had refined surprisingly few raw mats (sorry I didn't write down the number since I wasn't expecting the issue). Still, it seemed strange since I am a Master 50 everything and have refined a lot of mats in my day...but okay. Since I was running with 1.1k raw ore, and about 1k raw ancestor silk, I went and refined it all.

    The number of mats I have refined is now listed as 568/3000. I don't even know if the number has changed at all, but I just refined 2k items and the number doesn't reflect that. And the achievement is (obviously) still unachievable.

    Anyway, just wanted to point that out.

    you must have some kind of glitch. I got this achievement probably a year ago.
    just keep harvesting and it will just happen
  • thegreybetween
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    Ninane wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno

    So here is a little crafting achievement issue I just hit.

    To get the Master of Refinement achievement you have to have refined raw materials 3,000 times. I wanted to buy an item associated with the achievement so I went to look at how close to the goal I was.

    It said that I had refined surprisingly few raw mats (sorry I didn't write down the number since I wasn't expecting the issue). Still, it seemed strange since I am a Master 50 everything and have refined a lot of mats in my day...but okay. Since I was running with 1.1k raw ore, and about 1k raw ancestor silk, I went and refined it all.

    The number of mats I have refined is now listed as 568/3000. I don't even know if the number has changed at all, but I just refined 2k items and the number doesn't reflect that. And the achievement is (obviously) still unachievable.

    Anyway, just wanted to point that out.

    One thing I've noticed is that you only get one "tick" towards this achievement for each refinement action, regardless of the number of raw materials consumed.

    For example: Refining 10 raw ebonthread into (6-10) ebonthread is a single refine action, even though you consumed ("refined") 10 raw ebonthread. You would only get 1 tick toward the achievement in this case.

    So per your example above, 2.1k raw mats would refine 210 times, and only give you that many points toward the achievement, even though you refined thousands of materials. So it may be working as intended, assuming you began the spree with only 358/3000 toward the achievement.
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  • Annalyse
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    Annalyse wrote: »
    Has anyone figured out if knowing partial motifs (like say, 7 chapters out of 14) affects the possibility of getting master writs, or if it is full motif knowledge only? I know it was asked several times in a thread awhile back but I can't seem to locate that thread.

    I just want to know if I should bother passing the single pages I find to my alts or if I'd be better off selling them, knowing I will probably never get the whole thing for them.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno please let us know how this works!

    Just going to ask this again... I feel it is important to have an answer before this update goes live so we can be more prepared.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno
  • Valorin
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    I learned today, that

    "Craft-Gear-Build"

    is used as a description for ineffective and inferior gear. Tells us a lot about the standing of crafting in the game at the moment.

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