Since @ZOS_GinaBruno wrote that there won't be any more combat/class related tweaks, I would like to point out one thing: this patch changes almost nothing to an average magicka sorcerer. With regard to sorcerer class changes there is nothing worth mentioning expect for overload nerf and the change to curse which now, after reading the patch notes, seems to be very disappointing. Nobody will wait 12s after casting a curse for the second explosion which means that everybody will be using a curse just like now - by recasting it every 3,5s.

Since the other classes got some interesting tweaks to their skills, what did the sorcerer get other than the ones mentioned above? Most changes for sorcerers are related to pets/deadric summoning. Do the devs want to make the sorcerer only a pet class? Pets are fine when you're levelling or questing and the tanky one can be helpful when you want to solo dungeons but nobody uses pets in trials or in 4-man dungeons! And for sure these changes won't force me to start using pets.

I don't ask for buffs. I ask for the changes that would make some skills worth using. Sorcerer is the only class when only half of skills/morphs is being used by people cause they are obvious choices. The second half like encase, prison, crystal blast, ball of lighting, daedric tomb are lucklusters. I've never seen them in action tbh.

Moreover, I'm disappointed with the changes (or lack of them) to the mages guild skill line. I was hoping for something more (like the changes to fighters guild with the recent updates). I was expecting a total revamp of Equilibrium - anybody even uses this one? I was also hoping that bound armor will behave like magelight - that it requires you only to have this skill slotted to fully benefit from it just to avoid being forced to activate it each time when you swap weapons (when bound armor is slotted only on one bar).

So, will we also get weapon dying? All these red lightsabers are getting a bit old

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

• Destruction Staff
  • Elemental Storm: Reduced the damage done by this ability and the Eye of the Storm morph by 10%. The damage from Elemental Rage remains unchanged.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Is this 10% damage reduction on top of the 5% from the first PTS patch, making it 15%?

Zinaroth wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Veg wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Combat & Gameplay

[*]Draconic Power

• Dragon Leap:
  • The damage and knockback from this ability and its morphs can no longer be dodged.
  • Fixed an issue where this ability and its morphs were not granting the caster crowd control, snare, and immobilization immunity while they were mid-flight.
• Ferocious Leap (Dragon Leap morph): Fixed an issue where this morph’s damage was being mitigated off the target’s Physical Resistance instead of their Spell Resistance.

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Developer Comments

As part of a consistency pass to define abilities as dodgable or undodgable, Dragon Leap has been made undodgable. Area of Effect attacks should not be dodgable since they blanket an entire area with harmful effects, and should still damage enemies trying to Roll Dodge through it. You can still use Roll Dodge’s movement speed increase to avoid the Area of Effect altogether as counterplay against this ability. We’ll continue to monitor and update other Area of Effect abilities to ensure they conform to this standard.

This ability is still useless. Cant be used while rooted and does almost no damage.

[*]Dawn’s Wrath

• Backlash:
  • Increased the amount of copied damage by this ability and its morphs to 20% from 18%.
  • The initial damage done by this ability and its morphs now contributes to the copied damage.
  • The copied damage is no longer reduced by Battle Spirit. Note that the final damage done at the end of the duration is still reduced by Battle Spirit.
  • Fixed an issue where damage that was absorbed by a damage shield was not being copied.

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Developer Comments

We want to see Backlash as a burst damage ability that you can use in solo PvE or PvP content. To accomplish this, we not only increased the amount of copied damage, but also doubled it in Cyrodiil. This increase in Cyrodiil was to account for both Battle Spirit and the playstyles of enemies; enemy players are much harder to hit with 5 seconds of unhindered attacks. This change should open up a lot of exciting possibilities for Templars in PvP and we’d love to hear your feedback on it.

https://youtu.be/Jouw65UsNmg

Looks like we got wrobeled. again.

And this is no crit It can hit for this without crits.
Light armor will be so dead, well, everyone will be dead.

As if Templar needed buffs....

It cannot crit. But obviously you're too opinionated towards sorc to even know how other classes work.

It is a bug, and if they get it fixed it will only be doing half of this damage on live and it will NEVER crit. Right now it is bypassing battle spirit.

Yes Stamplars needed some help.

But @Dracane is right actually. I don't mind some temp buffs but even with battlespirit working correctly this ability looks waaaaaay too strong in my opinion.

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

But @Dracane is right actually. I don't mind some temp buffs but even with battlespirit working correctly this ability looks waaaaaay too strong in my opinion.

Still purgeable and you can actually use Templar's clumsiness to reduce copied damage. Ah, you know much better than me how to fry Templars.

Stamplars needed this buff! Leave it the way it is! 25k burst after 4k damage in pvp is FINE!!!!

Jokes aside, I main stamplar and have been one of the main advocates for change in this patch. Backlash NEEDS to be very strong to revive the stamplar as a class. That said, obviously it is not currently being affected by battle spirit, and it currently able to crit which I believe is a bug as well. PLEASE DO NOT START A QQ WAR AGAINST STAMPLARS UNTIL WE SEE HOW THIS ABILITY PERFORMS WITHOUT THOSE TWO BUGS!. That will simply end up getting it nerfed into the ground with no potential uses whatsoever. I'm all for change, but let's make sure that change is going to be reasonable and not reduce the class back to it's former, under performing self.

Tl;Dr Yes backlash is bugged, and overperforming in it's BUGGED state. Let's let them fix the bugs before we decide that the skill is completely too OP and wage war against it!

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

But @Dracane is right actually. I don't mind some temp buffs but even with battlespirit working correctly this ability looks waaaaaay too strong in my opinion.

Still purgeable and you can actually use Templar's clumsiness to reduce copied damage. Ah, you know much better than me how to fry Templars.

Templar have counter for templar ability, how unpredictable

Raid healer \ supporter has it too.

Ashamray wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

But @Dracane is right actually. I don't mind some temp buffs but even with battlespirit working correctly this ability looks waaaaaay too strong in my opinion.

Still purgeable and you can actually use Templar's clumsiness to reduce copied damage. Ah, you know much better than me how to fry Templars.

But not everyone in Tamriel is a godlike Templar who only needs to push 1 button to remove everything.

And don't come with Purge. Purge is a no brainer, it dooms you. Just take a look at its secondary effects and you'll see, why it's lethal to use purge over purifying ritual.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

sirinsidiator wrote: »

The developer comments are a huge improvement, but please don't hide them in spoiler tags next time. I don't want to have to click every single one of them.

We figured this would be preferred so those who only want to see the changes can easily read them, but if you're interested in the reasoning, you can click to learn more. Not married to this formatting, though, and can consider doing it without the spoiler tags.

I personally like the spoiler format tbh.

I will agree with the comments on NB. While the damage changes (still don't understand why strife's damage wasn't altered even if slightly) were very welcome, I don't understand why some key changes weren't implemented:

• PoD duration is left the same which unfortunately doesn't let it function as an the off bar skill (preferable) or even on bar rotation (minimum requirement). Additionally, this is very clunky animation.
• Everyone and their mother agree's the biggest balance on NB is around grim focus. This is the clunkiest rotation skill and there was 0 change. We have to double cast it to get the damage and the re attack which completely messes up our rotation. The animation for double cast is very clunky. Worst of all, you have to have shadowy disguise and grim focus on different bars if you try to pair with stygian set because the buffs from the set don't activate until you change bars.
• What I just said about stygian
• Teleport strike doesn't activate stygian, set issues as described above
• The same issue with clouding swarm now not working with stygian which basically removes the value of choosing this morph vs invincibility from other.

Generally these would pull up the utility and DPS value of NBs, both stam and magicka (mostly magicka), but none of them were implemented nor really any other changes that have been suggested.

Can we have an update on why?

CloneTrooper699 wrote: »

I couldn't agree more, I rarely PVP with my DK Tank, he's mainly for PVE dungeons and helping out friends who need a tank. These nerfs (while I'm sure are needed for PVP) are very harsh on PVE tanks, we have a hard enough time as it is and there aren't many of us around (ask any DPS queued in the group finder).

I feel like you need to add more buffs beneficial to PVE content for Heavy Armor, DK tanking and Tank specific armor sets. Or a much crazier suggestion would be to add a new passive skill line for each class that is not active in Cyrodiill, that way whenever you nerf or buff a skill that is overpowered in PVP you can counter those with the PVE skill line, seems like a viable solution to me.

But hey on the upside my Sorc loves the update for both PVP and PVE, and I can't wait to own my own home. So overall mostly good news but am really sad for my tank, I guess I'll be switching to blood spawn as well.

Get ride of the nonsensical wrath passive and replace it with a tanky passive more appropriate for heavy armor. Heavy armor doesn't need to be "buffed" for PVE. It just needs to do what it is supposed to do, and that is provide defense not offense.