Do not buy Crown Crates!!!

Rohamad_Ali · December 2016

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

EZgoin76 wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

I only bought 4 crates at 400 crowns each. Each crate's contents value on the crown store far exceeded the 400 crowns so I can not call it a rip off or a scam as long as you don't count on getting that one thing you have your heart set on every time. I was lucky and got the mount I wanted in the 4th crate, but was not disappointed in the useful poisons, pets, tattoos, hats and mimic stones I received in the other crates. In other words I more than got my monies worth.

So as long as you don't actually want anything and just feel the need to spend crowns on who-cares-what, they're a great deal, but if you actually want something they're a total scam, got it.

That is the complete and total BS way of understanding what they are. It can't be a scam because YOU ALL KNOW EXACTLY what they are. And ZOS explained how they work. They aren't forced upon anyone. You make the decision if you are going to give it a shot. There is no scam.

The scam is putting this stuff in crates to begin with instead of just selling things outright in the store.

We know what they are but not what we're getting. Huge difference there. Get it?

Yes I get it. It's called paying for a chance to win a mystery prize. Which from the tidal wave of outrage (at least on this thread from about 5-6 of you) seems to tell me you all knew that when you decided to move your mouse around the screen and click whatever it was that you had to click to pay for a shot at a mystery prize.

And from my opinion if this case were to lets say go in front of the Honorable Judge Judy, you guys wouldn't have a case (the case being that you claim ZOS is doing people dirty) and it would be dismissed. And she would tell you to protest all you want.

Judge Judy stinks .

Judge Ali would give full refunds and apologies for clown crate gag .

JimT722 · December 2016

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

EZgoin76 wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

I only bought 4 crates at 400 crowns each. Each crate's contents value on the crown store far exceeded the 400 crowns so I can not call it a rip off or a scam as long as you don't count on getting that one thing you have your heart set on every time. I was lucky and got the mount I wanted in the 4th crate, but was not disappointed in the useful poisons, pets, tattoos, hats and mimic stones I received in the other crates. In other words I more than got my monies worth.

So as long as you don't actually want anything and just feel the need to spend crowns on who-cares-what, they're a great deal, but if you actually want something they're a total scam, got it.

That is the complete and total BS way of understanding what they are. It can't be a scam because YOU ALL KNOW EXACTLY what they are. And ZOS explained how they work. They aren't forced upon anyone. You make the decision if you are going to give it a shot. There is no scam.

The scam is putting this stuff in crates to begin with instead of just selling things outright in the store.

We know what they are but not what we're getting. Huge difference there. Get it?

Yes I get it. It's called paying for a chance to win a mystery prize. Which from the tidal wave of outrage (at least on this thread from about 5-6 of you) seems to tell me you all knew that when you decided to move your mouse around the screen and click whatever it was that you had to click to pay for a shot at a mystery prize.

And from my opinion if this case were to lets say go in front of the Honorable Judge Judy, you guys wouldn't have a case (the case being that you claim ZOS is doing people dirty) and it would be dismissed. And she would tell you to protest all you want.

ZOS is doing a crap thing. Go research these, their goals and impact. You a confusing peoples arguments with doing something illegal when they are actually doing something disrespectful. When a company makes a blatantly negative change to a product loved by so many, anger is a natural outcome.

Who asked for eso to become a digital casino. No one. It's a in your face ripoff strategy used by many games. I'm looking for a single response on how these benefit the consumer backed up with even a shred of evidence. I know no one will be able to supply one.

I don't know if You work for a company that makes money by ripping off people, but my company survives on respect.

BlanketFort · December 2016

Months before its launch, I didn't mind. I even defended them (crown crates) saying "it's only cosmetics and it's optional. Nothing p2w here", not seeing the bigger picture. Well, I'm not giving ZOS the benefit of the doubt, anymore. They've gone back on many of their previous "reassurances", and not just in regards to crates.

The problem? There is no other MMO on PS4 that I would play (and PC gaming is out of the question). They've got me by my feminine balls on that. I'd love to not only protest with my wallet, but until a better MMO comes along on PS4, I guess I don't have a choice but continue to play ESO. Single player games are fun, so are other PvP type multiplayer games but MMORPGs are my favourite genre and no amount of variety in other genres is going to quell my thirst for it. This is ZOS' advantage in console platforms.

I truly hate my situation. I can't even go as far as to cancel my sub, because the craft bag is way too good and I'm not going to make myself jump through hoops by playing the inventory mini-game. Been there, done that, and not again.

I suppose I'll stay, not buy crates, and endure ZOS' decisions until my dignity as a customer can absolutely no longer bear it, or a better MMORPG launches, whichever comes first. If only they would reach out to their players, and put some effort in repairing the breach of trust, we might all be singing a slightly different tune. But no, they obviously can't be bothered with that. From this point onwards, I will no longer be recommending ESO to anyone, until things change for the better, if even.

IMO, they have a great game in their hands, with a lot of potential and backed by a loyal fan base. They, in my opinion, have now tainted the franchise with the inclusion of exploitative business practices. I can give them credit where it's due, for they have done several things right in other aspects of the game (but could be argued that it wasn't enough). But this, this obliterates any good faith I had in them.

The lack of transparency and communication is akin to them adding insult to injury. Now, I know the devs are not to blame, they are, probably (I hope), simply following the orders of fancy suits. I'm just sad that a game I love, enjoy, and invested time and money into, has resorted to adopting shady eastern MMO tactics for revenue.

This is becoming the trend in MMOs and it is perfectly legitimate for players to protest against this business practice. I wonder, if CD Projekt Red were to, hypothetically, create an MMORPG, if they could keep it afloat without gambling boxes. One thing I know is, is that I'd buy any game that company pushes out, because they've got a good reputation among players. If ZOS were to push out another MMO, I'd wait a long time before setting foot in that virtual world, for fear of a wasted investment.

Sigma957 · December 2016

How are people being rip off? We all know exactly what is in the crates and that its a small chance to win the epic items and a very large chance of getting the crap items. I got 30 crates and got buuger all but with the gems I was able to get my pit wolf so I'm happy with that. When ZOS released the dro'mathra mount for 4k there was a big uproar about how expensive it was and all the other mounts were 2k etc.
Now say for example ZOS decided to release an atro mount for 5k how many will *** that its too expensive for a mount where as in the crates IF you are extremely lucky you can pick one up for quite abit less.
If ZOS end up putting p2w items in the crates only then will I *** and complain and drop my sub until then crates don't bother me in the slightest.

ItsGlaive · December 2016

There is absolutely no helping some of you, nor helping the mmo genre as a whole either if you're so willing to blindly hand over wads of cash for bu**er all and staunchly defend the practice. Those players are the reason lockboxes are becoming so prevalent in the first place, thanks folks, you've f***** it for us all.

Bryanonymous · December 2016

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Delude yourself all you want, but the items are not worth the crowns. The whole game is setup to give the appearance of reward, however, the so called 'rewards' are all items that are not worth the same as the entire base game. The fact that you win stuff every time is the biggest part of the scam because it gives the illusion that you are getting something for your money, when in reality, most of the stuff was shoved down your throats. Yea, all this is subjective to the person. Whether it's a scam or not is basically an opinion. And in my opinion, this crap is a scam because it hides cheap *** behind the illusion of 'gambling' when there really isn't much of a jackpot. Mounts are not that expensive to make. The just slap a new texture on the same mesh and add a couple new animations and sounds. These scamcrates are not in the business of providing people a product worth their money. They just give the illusion of prestige by being labeled as 'rare'. Sure you have to make the decision to actually purchase them, but what do we do with our crowns from our subs when there's nothing left worth buying straight up except this crap? Another part of the scam. So I will advise everyone not to buy them, and I will also continue to voice loudly that these are a scam. Period.

driosketch · December 2016

Sigma957 wrote: »

We all know exactly what is in the crates

This is another minor nitpick, but no, we don't know exactly everything in the crates. They refused to give us a list, and not everything you could get from a crate is listed in the gem store. The only way any of us would know is from the information farmed by your fellow players.

And just to drive the point home, can any of you identify the items missing and link to where you found that info?

VampiricByNature · December 2016

I had one friend buy 4 crates- got a atro wolf mount. One friend bought 60 and got the atro bear somewhere towards the end of her 4th pack of 15.
I decided to dump my crowns- nothing I want has come out for a bit. I bought 45. I got the atro wolf on my 22nd pull.

At the end, looking at the crown gems received from duplicates and lower converted rewards, it looks like at 4 packs of 15 you will have enough for an atro mount if you did not get one. After 3 packs of 15 crates I have nearly 400 gems. My friend who bought 4 packs of 15 has over 400gems now. I think worst case scenario is around 20k crowns to have enough to select the atro mount you may want.
Since I got what I wanted, I will be holding my gems for the next cycle, hopefully to collect the next specialty mount.
Honestly, if cosmetics matter to you, buy them. If they don't? Don't.
I hate gambling in any fashion- don't get me wrong- I hate this. But they did it. From the amount of mounts running around on ps4 it was a huge success. They need money for dlcs and to keep the servers live. If the game keeps going, I'll be happy. If they fix some bugs, I'll be happy. I look at cosmetics as art. Paintings don't do anything for you but I keep them on my walls because they are a pleasure to look at.

Rohamad_Ali · December 2016

VampiricByNature wrote: »

I had one friend buy 4 crates- got a atro wolf mount. One friend bought 60 and got the atro bear somewhere towards the end of her 4th pack of 15.
I decided to dump my crowns- nothing I want has come out for a bit. I bought 45. I got the atro wolf on my 22nd pull.

At the end, looking at the crown gems received from duplicates and lower converted rewards, it looks like at 4 packs of 15 you will have enough for an atro mount if you did not get one. After 3 packs of 15 crates I have nearly 400 gems. My friend who bought 4 packs of 15 has over 400gems now. I think worst case scenario is around 20k crowns to have enough to select the atro mount you may want.
Since I got what I wanted, I will be holding my gems for the next cycle, hopefully to collect the next specialty mount.
Honestly, if cosmetics matter to you, buy them. If they don't? Don't.
I hate gambling in any fashion- don't get me wrong- I hate this. But they did it. From the amount of mounts running around on ps4 it was a huge success. They need money for dlcs and to keep the servers live. If the game keeps going, I'll be happy. If they fix some bugs, I'll be happy. I look at cosmetics as art. Paintings don't do anything for you but I keep them on my walls because they are a pleasure to look at.

Yes a huge success . So where do you think the CEO will tell the Devs to focus their attention next ? This IS the issue , the big picture and the real problem seen in all other games that started these . The focus goes where the money funnels in .

SWTOR almost completely died a year after those came out . All focus went to where the money trailed it , the gambling boxes . No decent content for years until so many people burned out on cosmetics they finally had a team come in and start a new content theme . A little late because people were burnt out on nothing important being fixed and new cosmetics every two weeks was only news .

Just watch and wait . It's no big deal if you don't care or plan to stay with the game but it's always a big problem for those games people do try to stick with .

Publius_Scipio · December 2016

Xabien wrote: »

There is absolutely no helping some of you, nor helping the mmo genre as a whole either if you're so willing to blindly hand over wads of cash for bu**er all and staunchly defend the practice. Those players are the reason lockboxes are becoming so prevalent in the first place, thanks folks, you've f***** it for us all.

You are entitled to your opinion. But I personally wouldn't want any "big brother" or "nanny state" whichever you want to look at it at a macro level to tell me where, when, and how to spend my own money. Especially something like crown crates.

And I haven't purchased any crown crates. I don't know about anyone else here on these forums but I'm waiting for Vvardenfell, the continuation of the storyline with the prophet, to finally find a way to eliminate the hordes of elves and Pact soldiers that cause indigestion for good citizens in Cyrodiil, etc etc.

I'm not impressed by some camel that is made out of rocks that are held together by lightning.

Hey Goldberg! What do you think about all of this?

code65536 · December 2016

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

And from my opinion if this case were to lets say go in front of the Honorable Judge Judy

And there you go again with this notion that just because something is legal it is fine.

Nobody is arguing that these are illegal. What people are arguing is that they are in poor taste and that they are disrespectful to players. For someone who keeps spouting about the importance of respecting ZOS, it's surprising how consistent you are at failing to grasp this point.

Putting aside any of the moral qualms some people might have about gambling in general, at the very least we can say that ZOS is disrespectful to anyone who wants the option to buy something with a direct, straightforward purchase without jumping through hoops like a trained circus animal. They are disrespectful to anyone who wants to make informed choices, but can't because ZOS won't provide drop chances (thanks to the data that people have supplied to @Enodoc's spreadsheet, we now have a very good idea of what those drop chances are, so it's data that we would get eventually one way or another; ZOS simply doesn't respect its customers enough to disclose it upfront voluntarily).

Just because something is legal doesn't mean that it's all roses and sunshine. If a grocery store decided to stop selling apples and instead sell mystery bags that might or might not contain apples, they are not doing anything illegal. But it will *** off a lot of their customers. And those customers will likely leave and shop elsewhere. The difference here--and the reason why people protest--is that you can't just leave and go to another MMO like you can with a grocery store. People have time invested. And another MMO won't have the same lore/story/etc. Which is why people care and want to see things fixed.

If anything, the fact that people get worked up about things like this means that they actually have respect for the game. That they care about and are invested in the game's future. The people who are truly fed up won't give a damn won't waste their keystrokes in a thread like this--they're already gone.

JimT722 · December 2016

Housing is next. After 1t it doesn't make sense to release a non content dlc. Housing is likely something they can heavily monetize.

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

There is absolutely no helping some of you, nor helping the mmo genre as a whole either if you're so willing to blindly hand over wads of cash for bu**er all and staunchly defend the practice. Those players are the reason lockboxes are becoming so prevalent in the first place, thanks folks, you've f***** it for us all.

You are entitled to your opinion. But I personally wouldn't want any "big brother" or "nanny state" whichever you want to look at it at a macro level to tell me where, when, and how to spend my own money. Especially something like crown crates.

And I haven't purchased any crown crates. I don't know about anyone else here on these forums but I'm waiting for Vvardenfell, the continuation of the storyline with the prophet, to finally find a way to eliminate the hordes of elves and Pact soldiers that cause indigestion for good citizens in Cyrodiil, etc etc.

I'm not impressed by some camel that is made out of rocks that are held together by lightninG

Find me one source of evidence, article, anything that says this will benefit the game or consumer. You can't. If you want ESO to be for casual players to come, spend ridiculous amounts of money, then leave... you will soon have it. Content will disappoint you. I have seen it before in other games.

ESO: Gambling Unlimited

Rohamad_Ali · December 2016

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

There is absolutely no helping some of you, nor helping the mmo genre as a whole either if you're so willing to blindly hand over wads of cash for bu**er all and staunchly defend the practice. Those players are the reason lockboxes are becoming so prevalent in the first place, thanks folks, you've f***** it for us all.

You are entitled to your opinion. But I personally wouldn't want any "big brother" or "nanny state" whichever you want to look at it at a macro level to tell me where, when, and how to spend my own money. Especially something like crown crates.

And I haven't purchased any crown crates. I don't know about anyone else here on these forums but I'm waiting for Vvardenfell, the continuation of the storyline with the prophet, to finally find a way to eliminate the hordes of elves and Pact soldiers that cause indigestion for good citizens in Cyrodiil, etc etc.

I'm not impressed by some camel that is made out of rocks that are held together by lightning.

Hey Goldberg! What do you think about all of this?

Despite your arguments with others here Sir Scipio , I am happy to hear you are saving for Vvardenfell . This is wise and good for the game . When you buy actual content for the game you are supporting development and more game play . Their marketing team like all marketing teams pays attention to where the money is coming from . I wish more people were making choices like you and I have made . I fully support the game . When the crown store first came out I warned my friends not to spend too much on cosmetics or they will focus on that more . Some did not believe me ...

Now look . It's the central focus with crown crates . Trust me when I say it's always best to spend your money on actual GAME expansions , dungeons or zones then cosmetics . If everyone only bought those we would have content as ZOS's main focus right now .

Players really do have control of the situation .

Publius_Scipio · December 2016

code65536 wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

And from my opinion if this case were to lets say go in front of the Honorable Judge Judy

And there you go again with this notion that just because something is legal it is fine.

Nobody is arguing that these are illegal. What people are arguing is that they are in poor taste and that they are disrespectful to players. For someone who keeps spouting about the importance of respecting ZOS, it's surprising how consistent you are at failing to grasp this point.

Putting aside any of the moral qualms some people might have about gambling in general, at the very least we can say that ZOS is disrespectful to anyone who wants the option to buy something with a direct, straightforward purchase without jumping through hoops like a trained circus animal. They are disrespectful to anyone who wants to make informed choices, but can't because ZOS won't provide drop chances (thanks to the data that people have supplied to @Enodoc's spreadsheet, we now have a very good idea of what those drop chances are, so it's data that we would get eventually, except ZOS doesn't have the decency to disclose it voluntarily).

Just because something is legal doesn't mean that it's all roses and sunshine. If a grocery store decided to stop selling apples and instead sell mystery bags that might or might not contain apples, they are not doing anything illegal. But it will *** off a lot of their customers. And those customers will likely leave and shop elsewhere. The difference here--and the reason why people protest--is that you can't just leave and go to another MMO like you can with a grocery store. People have time invested. And another MMO won't have the same lore/story/etc. Which is why people care and want to see things fixed.

If anything, the fact that people get worked up about things like this means that they actually have respect for the game. That they care about and are invested in the game's future. The people who are truly fed up and don't give a damn won't waste their keystrokes in a thread like this--they're already gone.

Look man. You take a very clear and concise sentences from my posts and seem to extrapolate a great deal from them. Are you over thinking what I have said?

Again, YOUR OPINION is that it is not fine. MY OPINION and the opinion of others is that it is fine and legal. Period. DIFFERING OPINIONS.... WTF are you trying to convince me of? That your opinion, your feelings on the matter are right? We live in a world with rules and regulations, if ZOS did everything right under the system then you and no one else is going to see me say crown crates are evil, given all the facts right now. I really hope you understand what I have said.

I don't care about roses, sunshine, Excel spreadsheets. I think it is terrible that every time ZOS tries something mobs on the forums think ZOS has affected their lives through their game or something like that. I think it is very distasteful the level at which people have hurled insults and disrespected ZOS over three years now. Like much of what ZOS does is done with evil intentions, and to do their customers in blah blah blah. Let me tell you what I believe to be true. ZOS, with any evidence I can gather seem to be hard working, cool, down to earth individuals.

And please before you keep losing your cool at me, just really understand what I wrote in the first paragraph and understand the true meaning of "opinion".

Edit: And just to touch upon the sentence I highlighted in your quote. I think it is completely ludicrous and irrational that you say ZOS is being disrespectful. There is no "we can say", it should be "I can say". Your logic is that because you want, you demand, that ZOS place certain products for direct sale because YOU want it that way is to me nonsensical. ZOS can do as it pleases with its product and it chose to, for now at least, place certain items behind a slot machine. You find their choice a personal affront?

User_Name · December 2016

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

National Problem Gambling Helpline Network (1-800-522-4700).

Every ethical gambling company posts the odds of winning AND provides information on how to get help. Las vegas is required by the Nevada Gaming commission to both post odds of every game and provide resources to fight gambling addiction.

I think they actually ought to take the necessary steps and include information that other companies - by law - include when they profit on gambling.

This IS gambling, it takes advantage of the exact same mechanics and human weaknesses, and as such the boxes should come with a disclaimer.

From a moral perspective, what ZOS is doing with these crates is just plain wrong. It's exploitation of their own fanbase, and as such pretty disgusting. Now if the new fortunes went into fixing the game I might care a little less; but the old bugs, lags and balance issues are still there while new ones are getting added.

Legally I don't know, I guess when it's digital vanity assets purchased in-game there's no supportive legislation, but I'm writing the Maryland Lottery and Gaming Control Agency as well as the UK Gambling Commission right now to find out. There really ought to be legislation regarding this, lottery/gambling is common in phone apps as well, and it's distasteful to say the least. I think it's pretty safe to say that ZOS won't take an ethical stand or inform their customers in any way, unless they are forced by law. It seems like ZOS stopped caring about what's left of their customers throughout 2016, and now it's all about the money. These Crates and their lack of transparency and disclaimers enforce that image heavily.

Someone said in another post that this usually happens when a game is at the end of a cycle and it's mostly about squeezing the last few dimes out of your customers. ZOS is biting the hand that feeds them, and I'm fairly sure they wouldn't do so if they planned on having an active community and blossoming platform for years to come.

It sends a horrible signal to loyal customers.

Crom_CCCXVI · December 2016

Crying like the losers in a casino.

No one makes you buy them, and I will spend my money howeve I want.

Rohamad_Ali · December 2016

There is no need to be fighting players about this . Either they care or they don't . They may even think it's great for the game and if cosmetics and mounts is most important to them , then they would be correct in their opinion .

My comments above are only focused on those that care more about game content and fixes with patches . A smooth running game . If that is most important then avoid the crates and just buy expansions .

Don't get me wrong I like cosmetics and mounts . I will buy the ones I like but only if direct purchase and reasonable priced . I personally don't throw money just to have something pretty . If a mount costs more then a expansion , forget about it . That goes against what's most important to me . I want expansions to be most valuable focus of ZOS .

Just don't fight . No one is "evil" or bad for choices in gaming . Even if someone else's choices negatively impacts your your favorite focus ingame , they are people with the right to spend their money as they see fit . We still should be able to get along and not be negative . Negativity solves nothing .

JimT722 · December 2016

Free-to-play forces developers to focus on monetization design over gameplay design, which leads to everything from lockboxes and various forms of anti-fun RNG nonsense to cash shop “convenience” items that are the equivalent of buying a mop and some Ajax from the guy who purposefully crapped on your kitchen floor so you’d need to buy the mop and the Ajax.

Free-to-play costs completists more per month because now in addition to paying the “optional” subscription fee, they get nickel-and-dimed for every little fluff pet, inventory slot, weapon skin, and cosmetic outfit in the game instead of, you know, earning said items through the gameplay that they’re already paying to access. This, as I mentioned last week, is a godsend for developers with dollar signs in their eyes and a deal-breaker for those of us who value immersion and virtual worlds.

Source

http://massivelyop.com/2015/06/05/the-soapbox-the-fallacy-of-f2p-insight/

Suter1972 · December 2016

I find it ironic that the reason ive turned away from the forums over the last week wasn't because of anything that ZOS has done.

Its because of the toxicity some have to others over their opinions on Crates.

Its almost like the crate haters (I bought some and had good value) need to find any reason possible to spread ill feeling over something they don't agree with. Its not enough that they have free choice if to buy or not (plenty of people in game have by the looks of it), but they need to keep banging on and on about it.

Just move on for christs sake. Its less than 3 weeks to Christmas and some people are getting their knickers in such a twist.

Buy crates - or dont but.....Good will to all men and all that....

Bryanonymous · December 2016

Suter1972 wrote: »

I find it ironic that the reason ive turned away from the forums over the last week wasn't because of anything that ZOS has done.

Its because of the toxicity some have to others over their opinions on Crates.

Its almost like the crate haters (I bought some and had good value) need to find any reason possible to spread ill feeling over something they don't agree with. Its not enough that they have free choice if to buy or not (plenty of people in game have by the looks of it), but they need to keep banging on and on about it.

Just move on for christs sake. Its less than 3 weeks to Christmas and some people are getting their knickers in such a twist.

Buy crates - or dont but.....Good will to all men and all that....

No.

This is the only thread for protest. If you need a safe space, leave the thread alone. Just another pointless demand that we all shut up. Guess what... You don't get to decide what we want to say.

JimT722 · December 2016

I am just looking for someone to provide evidence that these will have a positive impact on the game.

From everything I have read and experienced, most of the things the pro crate people want, they won't get. Matt Firor says there aren't many hardcore players, just players that will play for a few weeks and take a break for a month.

This means ZOS intends to cater to casual players. 1t was to make the game more accessible. Crates are to milk players as much as they can before they leave. Dlc will likely disappoint when they have run out of content they had mostly developed. After that expect tiny amounts of content. Just enough to keep people casually logging in.

User_Name · December 2016

Suter1972 wrote: »

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I really don't understand the point of this post. By your logic, because I bought one crate and got a mount and a cool pig pet, I shouldn't give a toss about everyone else? If RNGesus is on my side, screw the rest? And Merry Christmas to top it off?

It's not about "haters" and "toxic", and - like most differences of opinions - it cannot be reduced to something that simplistic. This is about ZOS adopting a business practice in a grey area/an area lacking legislation, and exploiting that to its fullest.

If ZOS were a company offering gambling with material and non-digital assets, we would all be protected by legislation. We'd have a fairer and more transparent game, and that is in everyone's interest, including those of us who got a bunch of nice stuff and those who didn't even buy any boxes.

Making posts combating those who seek to ensure rights for everyone, including you, seems mind-numbingly counter-productive.

Bryanonymous · December 2016

A real jackpot would be if they made the dlc maps and motifs the apex prizes. Wonder why they didn't... hmm? Could it be that they know those items are actually valuable... Got to also remember the shady business of removing crown store items in the name of "making room", or in reality, leaving the crown store with a limited selection so people are steered in the direction of these crates. The scam is so obvious, you'd have to be blind not to see it. It's like there was no consideration taken for implementing actual jackpot prizes. Naw, let's just reskin some mounts, pull good items from the crown store after being up for 4 days, and then thrown everything into these boxes minus the actual content that we sell.

You know, these crates would not matter if the crown store had hundreds of other items to purchase. The fact that it has such a low selection on purpose to steer players towards these scams is why people are mad. They get crowns with their subs. Others stocked up thinking there would be stuff worth buying. Now it looks like anything worth buying short of a dlc or limited edition motif will be dropped into these crates. Makes the sub crowns much less valuable. Yay, 4 scam rolls a month!

Suter1972 · December 2016

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

I find it ironic that the reason ive turned away from the forums over the last week wasn't because of anything that ZOS has done.

Its because of the toxicity some have to others over their opinions on Crates.

Its almost like the crate haters (I bought some and had good value) need to find any reason possible to spread ill feeling over something they don't agree with. Its not enough that they have free choice if to buy or not (plenty of people in game have by the looks of it), but they need to keep banging on and on about it.

Just move on for christs sake. Its less than 3 weeks to Christmas and some people are getting their knickers in such a twist.

Buy crates - or dont but.....Good will to all men and all that....

No.

This is the only thread for protest. If you need a safe space, leave the thread alone. Just another pointless demand that we all shut up. Guess what... You don't get to decide what we want to say.

@Bryanonymous

Hey, guess what, you don't to tell everyone else that what they think is irrelevant just because you want to complain (again and again and again). Its getting boring.

Re being 'the only thread'. Seriously????? last week, the top 15 threads had 7 of them demanding the crates were removed. Every time it gets mentioned, even in a positive way, someone jumps on it and starts claiming the end is nigh.

Seriously, its the crate haters that are killing the game, not ZOS

Oh and to cover the constant 'in your opinion' bleats.... this is MY opinion.

petraeus1 · December 2016

It would be a good thing for ZOS to do, a gesture towards the community to

a) release a complete and detailed loot table of the Crown Crates;

b) make it so and publicly affirm that the only things exclusive to the Crown Crates are its themed items.

Though I don't expect them to do either.

Crown Crates are here to stay though, unfortunately.

SantieClaws · December 2016

Suter1972 wrote: »

Seriously, its the crate haters that are killing the game, not ZOS

But we would have had no issue at all if there had been no crates yes. There would be no crate haters without the most hateable crates.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Suter1972 · December 2016

User_Name wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

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Making posts combating those who seek to ensure rights for everyone, including you, seems mind-numbingly counter-productive.

Woah..... my rights are fine thanks. I like the crates. I dont need the haters speaking for me or wanting stuff i like removed. I like them. I can afford them and ive not become an addict.

Its not about people complaining as hey guess what, a large portion of forum posts are just that about one thing or another.

Its the toxicity of the haters who cant accept some people like the crates and we don't need you speaking on 'our behalf'. You don't have my permission to do so. I can do that on my own.

Im fine with people having a rant but guys, just respect each others opinions and that fact that we don't all agree that the crates should be removed. The haters are not shining knights speaking for all

Bryanonymous · December 2016

Suter1972 wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

I find it ironic that the reason ive turned away from the forums over the last week wasn't because of anything that ZOS has done.

Its because of the toxicity some have to others over their opinions on Crates.

Its almost like the crate haters (I bought some and had good value) need to find any reason possible to spread ill feeling over something they don't agree with. Its not enough that they have free choice if to buy or not (plenty of people in game have by the looks of it), but they need to keep banging on and on about it.

Just move on for christs sake. Its less than 3 weeks to Christmas and some people are getting their knickers in such a twist.

Buy crates - or dont but.....Good will to all men and all that....

No.

This is the only thread for protest. If you need a safe space, leave the thread alone. Just another pointless demand that we all shut up. Guess what... You don't get to decide what we want to say.

@Bryanonymous

Hey, guess what, you don't to tell everyone else that what they think is irrelevant just because you want to complain (again and again and again). Its getting boring.

Re being 'the only thread'. Seriously????? last week, the top 15 threads had 7 of them demanding the crates were removed. Every time it gets mentioned, even in a positive way, someone jumps on it and starts claiming the end is nigh.

Seriously, its the crate haters that are killing the game, not ZOS

Oh and to cover the constant 'in your opinion' bleats.... this is MY opinion.

Your opinion was to tell us to shut up. Mine was to say no.

Every crown protest thread is locked except this one. That's a fact. If you don't like the protesting, don't read the thread. And that's not a demand. It's advise based on common sense logic.

As for protests ruining the game... lol. Btw, telling everyone to shut up is not irrelevant... it's actually just pointless, which is what I said.

Cpt_Teemo · December 2016

I've seen a ton more people come flooding back to ESO recently, I myself quit for about a year since it was a ghost town before even last month was kind of dead, but now its really starting to flourish

Bryanonymous · December 2016

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

I've seen a ton more people come flooding back to ESO recently, I myself quit for about a year since it was a ghost town before even last month was kind of dead, but now its really starting to flourish

I've seen the opposite. One Tamriel and the witch festival had so many players everywhere. Now it not only seems dead, but my 5 trading guilds positioned in some of the best spots in the game are showing less sales activity as well. And not just my own sales. I do pretty well. Trade in general seems to have really slowed since the crates. Especially for a weekend which is usually booming. Anyways, both our perspectives are anecdotal.