Blackwater Blade the best pvp

zuto40 · December 2016

i recently felt like making a blue since i had AD and EP characters already leveled, i absolutely hate grinding so i decided to do this by pvping in bwb which is xbone's no cp below 50 campaign, i tried running solo at first but it was impossible, i had no healing, no sustain, and no damage as a level 10, right now i'm level 20 in it and running solo now is amazingly fun, probably the most fun ive had in weeks playing this game, i have 0 jewelry set bonuses, using hundings and night silence. Its so fun because there are 0 procs in it and no cp, i didnt realize how much cp changed the game until this, its much more balanced the people with high damage die very quickly and dont last long in fights, the tanks are hard to kill but have almost no damage, and the balanced people like me with sustain and damage do very well, there are of course a few extremely strong builds, most notably a s&b heavy armor dk i saw yesterday completely demolish 8 people then tank a zerg for a minute but other then that its completely balanced, i havent noticed any classes noticeably outperforming each other with the exception of that one dk, the way the game should be, ALL procs that damage another player need to go and cp bonuses need to be thrown in the trash, there is a slight imbalance between some people because of the levels and simply having access to better passives and skills but thats completely expected, if you dont believe me just run it yourself, make a level 20ish character and try to pvp, lvl 40 if you want the strongest character possible, youll find its harder to 1vX but you wont be raging and screaming proccing piece of *** anymore

God_flakes · December 2016

Sounds like boring easy mode.

I've never gone in BWB and probably never will.

Ghost-Shot · December 2016

My guild use to run baby toons on black water once a week for a couple hours, it was a lot of fun! Though cp was allowed in blackwater back then, I don't think I've been in there without cp.

djyrb · December 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

My guild use to run baby toons on black water once a week for a couple hours, it was a lot of fun! Though cp was allowed in blackwater back then, I don't think I've been in there without cp.

Personally, I think it was a great improvement to remove CP from BWB. It removed a lot of the troll builds that unbalanced the gameplay for legit new players on their first character, and made for a better experience for all IMO. There are definitely still tough organized groups in there running with their 10th lowbie, fully buffed and geared, but they are no longer OP demigods that it takes a raid to take down.

Ghost-Shot · December 2016

djyrb wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

My guild use to run baby toons on black water once a week for a couple hours, it was a lot of fun! Though cp was allowed in blackwater back then, I don't think I've been in there without cp.

Personally, I think it was a great improvement to remove CP from BWB. It removed a lot of the troll builds that unbalanced the gameplay for legit new players on their first character, and made for a better experience for all IMO. There are definitely still tough organized groups in there running with their 10th lowbie, fully buffed and geared, but they are no longer OP demigods that it takes a raid to take down.

For sure! It was kinda silly in 1.6 when we would go in there with relatively well geared lowbies and 16 people that were all 500+ cp at the time on top of already having a lot of experience together as a team, that's why we didn't do it often lol!

Manoekin · December 2016

djyrb wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

My guild use to run baby toons on black water once a week for a couple hours, it was a lot of fun! Though cp was allowed in blackwater back then, I don't think I've been in there without cp.

Personally, I think it was a great improvement to remove CP from BWB. It removed a lot of the troll builds that unbalanced the gameplay for legit new players on their first character, and made for a better experience for all IMO. There are definitely still tough organized groups in there running with their 10th lowbie, fully buffed and geared, but they are no longer OP demigods that it takes a raid to take down.

@IxSTALKERxI

This one seems to be challenging The Greats.

zuto40 · December 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

Sounds like boring easy mode. I've never gone in BWB and probably never will.

its not boring or easy playing solo at least, zerging is probably boring but then again isnt all zerging boring?

driosketch · December 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

Sounds like boring easy mode. I've never gone in BWB and probably never will.

I thought double proc sets was easy mode. Have I been misled by the forums?

BWB is by far the most balanced campaign. As long as your gear isn't more than 5 levels below, you should be on pretty even footing. Skill and experience count for a lot more, but leveling out prevents endless noob farming and map stagnation.

Ghost-Shot · December 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

djyrb wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

My guild use to run baby toons on black water once a week for a couple hours, it was a lot of fun! Though cp was allowed in blackwater back then, I don't think I've been in there without cp.

Personally, I think it was a great improvement to remove CP from BWB. It removed a lot of the troll builds that unbalanced the gameplay for legit new players on their first character, and made for a better experience for all IMO. There are definitely still tough organized groups in there running with their 10th lowbie, fully buffed and geared, but they are no longer OP demigods that it takes a raid to take down.

@IxSTALKERxI

This one seems to be challenging The Greats.

#NeverForget

vamp_emily · December 2016

It is funny how players in Vet campaigns call BwB a bunch of noobs.

I often wonder if AS players know they can buy sieges to break down keep walls.

TF is like a game of "chase the chicken til you get farmed". I don't know how many times I see DC pile up and chase the enemy around a keep until the enemy turns around and kills them all.

Out of all the campaigns, I have played, BwB is the best.

God_flakes · December 2016

driosketch wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Sounds like boring easy mode. I've never gone in BWB and probably never will.

I thought double proc sets was easy mode. Have I been misled by the forums?

BWB is by far the most balanced campaign. As long as your gear isn't more than 5 levels below, you should be on pretty even footing. Skill and experience count for a lot more, but leveling out prevents endless noob farming and map stagnation.

Double proc sets wasn't always the meta. Once you reach 50 you're out of bwb. Then what? No thanks. I will keep working on my pvp rank.

God_flakes · December 2016

zuto40 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Sounds like boring easy mode. I've never gone in BWB and probably never will.

its not boring or easy playing solo at least, zerging is probably boring but then again isnt all zerging boring?

TF has it all right now IMO, small man and Zerg depending on what's on the menu. And I will never "level out" of TF. As a casual I'm not interested in constantly making new toons and leveling out of BWB. To each his own, I guess.

zuto40 · December 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Sounds like boring easy mode. I've never gone in BWB and probably never will.

I thought double proc sets was easy mode. Have I been misled by the forums?

BWB is by far the most balanced campaign. As long as your gear isn't more than 5 levels below, you should be on pretty even footing. Skill and experience count for a lot more, but leveling out prevents endless noob farming and map stagnation.

Double proc sets wasn't always the meta. Once you reach 50 you're out of bwb. Then what? No thanks. I will keep working on my pvp rank.

pvp rank means nothing

God_flakes · December 2016

zuto40 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Sounds like boring easy mode. I've never gone in BWB and probably never will.

I thought double proc sets was easy mode. Have I been misled by the forums?

BWB is by far the most balanced campaign. As long as your gear isn't more than 5 levels below, you should be on pretty even footing. Skill and experience count for a lot more, but leveling out prevents endless noob farming and map stagnation.

Double proc sets wasn't always the meta. Once you reach 50 you're out of bwb. Then what? No thanks. I will keep working on my pvp rank.

pvp rank means nothing

Maybe to you it doesn't. It does to me, though. Being from a military family I guess it is sentimental. I can see why some don't care. But don't dog those of us who do.

driosketch · December 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Sounds like boring easy mode. I've never gone in BWB and probably never will.

I thought double proc sets was easy mode. Have I been misled by the forums?

BWB is by far the most balanced campaign. As long as your gear isn't more than 5 levels below, you should be on pretty even footing. Skill and experience count for a lot more, but leveling out prevents endless noob farming and map stagnation.

Double proc sets wasn't always the meta. Once you reach 50 you're out of bwb. Then what? No thanks. I will keep working on my pvp rank.

Take the character into the vet campaign with a better understanding of that build, and a better chance to hang among all the meta builds.

Go complete PvE content with fully leveled vigor.

Delete character and start the BwB adventure once more.

It depends on the player really. For instance, I imagine a player concerned with Alliance Rank isn't too big on Alts and starting a new character from scratch regardless of the campaign.

Adenoma · December 2016

@God_flakes , some of us are just biding our time to wait out the aprocalypse until U13 hits.

Adenoma · December 2016

@djyrb , do you play PC/NA? We've had some demi-godesque emps lately. I know that I pushed out solo on my latest emp and got 60 skills in a minute at my last emp keep. Four eye of the storms back to back.

Taylor_MB · December 2016

NA/PC BWB is a mess. I'm there for a first time on an alt (got bored of grinding) and anyone who says it is good PvP has no clue. There are two types of players that I've seen-

1) legitimate lowbies who have no clue so they zerg everything.
2) BWB regulars who have their BiS gear ready to go every 10 levels so they can feel like a god bashing up newbies.

BWB is very far from the best PvP.

Vyle_Byte · December 2016

So much agree. There is really something special about bwb and on pc na, we have an awesome community of players who love the raw pvp of bwb. For us, it really is the best campaign. No LAG! No proc sets no bs, just pure fun. We help the new players, teach them how to pvp, get them set up and then get to watch as they grow up into actual pvp'ers. That is what my guild originally started up in bwb for.

Ive been to the other servers, played for quite a while on vet campaigns, the lag kills it for me. And, none of them have the feeling that bwb gives. For me, its home and no where else in Tamriel feels the same.

Its not for everyone, thats for sure and thats ok. Most of us who play it love rerolling, trying new and silly builds. Its a challenge to pvp without all of your skills and passives, thats part of the appeal to us.

Valen_Byte · December 2016

Taylor_MB wrote: »

NA/PC BWB is a mess. I'm there for a first time on an alt (got bored of grinding) and anyone who says it is good PvP has no clue. There are two types of players that I've seen-

1) legitimate lowbies who have no clue so they zerg everything.
2) BWB regulars who have their BiS gear ready to go every 10 levels so they can feel like a god bashing up newbies.

BWB is very far from the best PvP.

1. The actual new players, or Lowbies as you so call them, don't zerg. Those are guilds running those groups. Picking up some new players along the way or just ungrouped masses running together. Guilds run BwB not lowbies.

2. We, BwB regulars, don't run BiS gear. That's not possible. The majority wear crafted sets. Something that anyone can obtain. Therefore not BiS.

Sounds to me like you need to join a BwB guild so we can show you how to play a pure form of PvP. BwB is the best. Logic dictates that this fact can not be argued.

DannyLV702 · December 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Sounds like boring easy mode. I've never gone in BWB and probably never will.

I thought double proc sets was easy mode. Have I been misled by the forums?

BWB is by far the most balanced campaign. As long as your gear isn't more than 5 levels below, you should be on pretty even footing. Skill and experience count for a lot more, but leveling out prevents endless noob farming and map stagnation.

Double proc sets wasn't always the meta. Once you reach 50 you're out of bwb. Then what? No thanks. I will keep working on my pvp rank.

pvp rank means nothing

Maybe to you it doesn't. It does to me, though. Being from a military family I guess it is sentimental. I can see why some don't care. But don't dog those of us who do.

The reason it doesn't matter is because it's not hard at all to earn.

DannyLV702 · December 2016

Im going to make a new character just to play bwb. I've been curious and now I'm convinced to give it a shot

Adenoma · December 2016

@Valen_Byte , I'd just love to echo you and point out that there's only one set I wear that isn't crafted and it's absurdly easy to get every five levels anyway - Tel Var. Plus, I level in IC anyway.

zuto40 · December 2016

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Im going to make a new character just to play bwb. I've been curious and now I'm convinced to give it a shot

its harder solo but more fun to me then solo in vet campaigns since each kill feels deserved with no procs or cp, unless its a level 10, in which case i feel kinda bad for killing someone who cant even bar swap but hey ap is ap

Sigma957 · December 2016

BWB is great fun, no cp to spoil it, can try different builds and not worry about getting tremorscaled to death. At the moment I am trying out a hybrid sorc later a hybrid templar just for something different. I find that lag is not as bad as it is in TF which is my home campaign for other toons.

Rohamad_Ali · December 2016

BwB is alright but painfully unorganized . I don't recommend going unless you enjoy that sort of thing .

Zordrage · December 2016

its 35262647427 times more fun then any other of the max level campaigns......

zuto40 · December 2016

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

BwB is alright but painfully unorganized . I don't recommend going unless you enjoy that sort of thing .

its really organized on xbox na, there are a lot of people who call out targets and where to defend, people constantly ask for groups and always find them, there's some infighting between the top 2 but i cant blame them, ive only seen one of them show up late to fight, get the good d tic and repair walls

Nightenhowl · December 2016

Ok bwb is good place to pvp, but I don't understand how regulars who remake toons enjoy that 1 speed horse and another bad thing is so much new players take your siege and shoot the door with it. Also there are regulars who really enjoy farming new players.

driosketch · December 2016

Nightenhowl wrote: »

Ok bwb is good place to pvp, but I don't understand how regulars who remake toons enjoy that 1 speed horse and another bad thing is so much new players take your siege and shoot the door with it. Also there are regulars who really enjoy farming new players.

You create the next character while you have your current character in there. Train every day and by the time they're ready, riding speed is maxed, or pretty high at least.

Are you running multiple sieges at once? I've seen it happen, but it doesn't really happen to me. I'm off my siege to dodge counter siege or to deal with enemy players only.

I don't know about them, but I prefer to join the underdog alliance, and hunt those players down. Not saying I always win those fight. At least I even things out.

kyle.wilson · December 2016

Nightenhowl wrote: »

Ok bwb is good place to pvp, but I don't understand how regulars who remake toons enjoy that 1 speed horse and another bad thing is so much new players take your siege and shoot the door with it. Also there are regulars who really enjoy farming new players.

I recently made a new char that I intend to push on to trueflame soon. In the meantime I have pvped a few times in bwb overthe last few days. I have ran into chars that long ago should have left for vet, and quickly understood why they haven't. Unless I was way outnumbered I was easily killing 3-4 at a time. Many of those were people that I personally know have crowned many times in bwb.