Lukums1 wrote: »

I'm prepared to open 60 crates tonight on twitch.

I'm prepared (even though I want the mount) to show people that the investment of $50.00 is better off to be stored away then spent on 15 boxes.

You won't get *** from 15 boxes, as stated many times you have to invest "hard" to obtain gems to then buy what you're after.
However this is a false pretense people are receiving after thinking they will get what they want with a $50.00 investment there many be 1 or 2 people sure but you should plan on being very disapointed.

A hat, and pots which are rubbish... man it would hurt would it not.

Via PTS? What's your channel name?

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lukums1 wrote: »

I'm prepared to open 60 crates tonight on twitch.

I'm prepared (even though I want the mount) to show people that the investment of $50.00 is better off to be stored away then spent on 15 boxes.

You won't get *** from 15 boxes, as stated many times you have to invest "hard" to obtain gems to then buy what you're after.
However this is a false pretense people are receiving after thinking they will get what they want with a $50.00 investment there many be 1 or 2 people sure but you should plan on being very disapointed.

A hat, and pots which are rubbish... man it would hurt would it not.

Well at least they changed it so you can convert the pots to crown gems.

not confirmed you will be able to convert all pots/potions, food etc, it just says 'several items' I guess we will be a lot wiser tomorow after patch, experience as taught me to be very wary of ZoS wording.

"Whenever you purchase a Crown Crate, you will always be awarded four items, with the chance to get a fifth item. In the event you receive a mount, pet, costume or personality that you already own from your Crown Crate, you'll be awarded a new resource - Crown Gems - in its place. You will also have the option to convert several items obtained from Crown Crates to Crown Gems any time you want"

elvenmad wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Lukums1 wrote: »

I'm prepared to open 60 crates tonight on twitch.

I'm prepared (even though I want the mount) to show people that the investment of $50.00 is better off to be stored away then spent on 15 boxes.

You won't get *** from 15 boxes, as stated many times you have to invest "hard" to obtain gems to then buy what you're after.
However this is a false pretense people are receiving after thinking they will get what they want with a $50.00 investment there many be 1 or 2 people sure but you should plan on being very disapointed.

A hat, and pots which are rubbish... man it would hurt would it not.

Well at least they changed it so you can convert the pots to crown gems.

not confirmed you will be able to convert all pots/potions, food etc, it just says 'several items' I guess we will be a lot wiser tomorow after patch, experience as taught me to be very wary of ZoS wording.

"Whenever you purchase a Crown Crate, you will always be awarded four items, with the chance to get a fifth item. In the event you receive a mount, pet, costume or personality that you already own from your Crown Crate, you'll be awarded a new resource - Crown Gems - in its place. You will also have the option to convert several items obtained from Crown Crates to Crown Gems any time you want"

You left out some of that paragraph though. The next sentence explains what you can convert.

Whenever you purchase a Crown Crate, you will always be awarded four items, with the chance to get a fifth item. In the event you receive a mount, pet, costume or personality that you already own from your Crown Crate, you'll be awarded a new resource - Crown Gems - in its place. You will also have the option to convert several items obtained from Crown Crates to Crown Gems any time you want. Items that can be manually converted include potions, poisons, riding lessons, experience scrolls, and other utility-type items. Any Crown Gems you earn can then be used to purchase the collectible items of your choosing from the current Crown Crate season.

As you can see by the part I bolded, you will be able to convert most, if not all, the consumables from the crown crates.

I've read the entry.

I want to know where people are getting the information you can convert *all* the consumables you don't want to gems.

I opened the crates on the pts. I know how many poisons, potions, scrolls, and riding lessons dropped.

If they allow you to convert *all* of the consumables you don't want to gems, they might as well sell the crate exclusive stuff outright.

The entry says "several", not "all".

After the "We'll never put locked rng crates in the game." you have to watch the wording of announcements. Not to mention there is still no word about how many gems per consumable. Considering some of the poisons dropped 25 at a time, I doubt they'll do a one gem to one poison/potion/consumable. The whole point is to get people to buy crates. Allowing huge numbers of gems to be given out so people can buy what they want with gems kinda defeats the purpose of getting people to buy the scamboxes.........................

JKorr wrote: »

I've read the entry.

I want to know where people are getting the information you can convert *all* the consumables you don't want to gems.

I opened the crates on the pts. I know how many poisons, potions, scrolls, and riding lessons dropped.

If they allow you to convert *all* of the consumables you don't want to gems, they might as well sell the crate exclusive stuff outright.

Yeah. I remember poisons and potions coming in stacks of a few tens.

Unless it isn't 1:1, I can't imagine how they can do this. Because if it is 1:1 and they do not change the stacks, you can easily get over 50 gems with every crate.

I wouldn't complain. That would actually make the system... very weird, because a reskin that goes for 100 gems would end up being cheaper than it would be for direct purchase (2500 Crowns). It doesn't seem likely.

JKorr wrote: »

I've read the entry.

I want to know where people are getting the information you can convert *all* the consumables you don't want to gems.

I opened the crates on the pts. I know how many poisons, potions, scrolls, and riding lessons dropped.

If they allow you to convert *all* of the consumables you don't want to gems, they might as well sell the crate exclusive stuff outright.

The entry says "several", not "all".

After the "We'll never put locked rng crates in the game." you have to watch the wording of announcements. Not to mention there is still no word about how many gems per consumable. Considering some of the poisons dropped 25 at a time, I doubt they'll do a one gem to one poison/potion/consumable. The whole point is to get people to buy crates. Allowing huge numbers of gems to be given out so people can buy what they want with gems kinda defeats the purpose of getting people to buy the scamboxes.........................

lordrichter wrote: »
Also, food and drink do npt appear to be on the list. Are those utility items?

Gina wrote:
Yes, food and drink are consumables, so any obtained through Crown Crates can be converted to Crown Gems at any point.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3558555/#Comment_3558555

Abeille wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

I've read the entry.

I want to know where people are getting the information you can convert *all* the consumables you don't want to gems.

I opened the crates on the pts. I know how many poisons, potions, scrolls, and riding lessons dropped.

If they allow you to convert *all* of the consumables you don't want to gems, they might as well sell the crate exclusive stuff outright.

Yeah. I remember poisons and potions coming in stacks of a few tens.

Unless it isn't 1:1, I can't imagine how they can do this. Because if it is 1:1 and they do not change the stacks, you can easily get over 50 gems with every crate.

I wouldn't complain. That would actually make the system... very weird, because a reskin that goes for 100 gems would end up being cheaper than it would be for direct purchase (2500 Crowns). It doesn't seem likely.

Yes. That is why I'm wondering about how they're going to "price" the trade-ins. Either they're going to give out gems a half or quarter of a gem at a time, they are going to limit how many consumables you can trade in from each crate [hence the careful wording of "several" in the announcement] or they're going to raise the price of the items you can buy with the gems to a lot higher than 400 or 600.

Abeille wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

I've read the entry.

I want to know where people are getting the information you can convert *all* the consumables you don't want to gems.

I opened the crates on the pts. I know how many poisons, potions, scrolls, and riding lessons dropped.

If they allow you to convert *all* of the consumables you don't want to gems, they might as well sell the crate exclusive stuff outright.

The entry says "several", not "all".

After the "We'll never put locked rng crates in the game." you have to watch the wording of announcements. Not to mention there is still no word about how many gems per consumable. Considering some of the poisons dropped 25 at a time, I doubt they'll do a one gem to one poison/potion/consumable. The whole point is to get people to buy crates. Allowing huge numbers of gems to be given out so people can buy what they want with gems kinda defeats the purpose of getting people to buy the scamboxes.........................

@JKorr

Look at the two posts above yours. Both posts have the entire paragraph quoted and the exact sentence that tells you what you can manually convert bolded.

@FLuFFyxMuFFiN

I'm not disputing you can convert SEVERAL consumables to gems. I'm not disputing what counts as consumables.

I want to know where people are finding the information that you can trade back ALL of the consumables.

You will also have the option to convert several items obtained from Crown Crates to Crown Gems any time you want. Items that can be manually converted include potions, poisons, riding lessons, experience scrolls, and other utility-type items. Any Crown Gems you earn can then be used to purchase the collectible items of your choosing from the current Crown Crate season.

As Abeille said, we opened the crates. I know I got poisons in a stack of 25 at a time. And that was from one card. There was the possibility to get all the cards with consumables, and no costumes or pets that you can't convert.

On the pts the premium rewards, not the apex atronach items, were 400 gems. If you wanted the premium level discontinued/retired from the store item, it wouldn't take more a few crates to get enough gems to buy what you wanted. You would, presumably, then stop buying the crates until they put something else out that you wanted. You might not even spend more than the outright buying price of 2400 crowns for the retired/discontinued item when it was first offered. This is not the concept behind the rngesus crates. The whole idea is to get people to keep buying crates.

No no, those were 100 gems. The Apex ones were 400.

If the conversion is 1:1 you might not need more than two crates to get one of the discontinued items, or the exclusive recolors. That's 800 Crowns.

That can't be right.

My guess on the conversion rate would be 1 gem for every 5 consumables or something close to that. I guess we will find out tomorrow when they release. I also opened a bunch of crates on PTS and remember only getting around 10 gems for duplicate costumes and such so I highly doubt you will get more gems for consumables. Things like crown xp scrolls might give around 3-4 gems by themselves depending on the scroll.

lordrichter wrote: »

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FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

I've read the entry.

I want to know where people are getting the information you can convert *all* the consumables you don't want to gems.

I opened the crates on the pts. I know how many poisons, potions, scrolls, and riding lessons dropped.

If they allow you to convert *all* of the consumables you don't want to gems, they might as well sell the crate exclusive stuff outright.

The entry says "several", not "all".

After the "We'll never put locked rng crates in the game." you have to watch the wording of announcements. Not to mention there is still no word about how many gems per consumable. Considering some of the poisons dropped 25 at a time, I doubt they'll do a one gem to one poison/potion/consumable. The whole point is to get people to buy crates. Allowing huge numbers of gems to be given out so people can buy what they want with gems kinda defeats the purpose of getting people to buy the scamboxes.........................

@JKorr

Look at the two posts above yours. Both posts have the entire paragraph quoted and the exact sentence that tells you what you can manually convert bolded.

@FLuFFyxMuFFiN

I'm not disputing you can convert SEVERAL consumables to gems. I'm not disputing what counts as consumables.

I want to know where people are finding the information that you can trade back ALL of the consumables.

You will also have the option to convert several items obtained from Crown Crates to Crown Gems any time you want. Items that can be manually converted include potions, poisons, riding lessons, experience scrolls, and other utility-type items. Any Crown Gems you earn can then be used to purchase the collectible items of your choosing from the current Crown Crate season.

As Abeille said, we opened the crates. I know I got poisons in a stack of 25 at a time. And that was from one card. There was the possibility to get all the cards with consumables, and no costumes or pets that you can't convert.

On the pts the premium rewards, not the apex atronach items, were 400 gems. If you wanted the premium level discontinued/retired from the store item, it wouldn't take more a few crates to get enough gems to buy what you wanted. You would, presumably, then stop buying the crates until they put something else out that you wanted. You might not even spend more than the outright buying price of 2400 crowns for the retired/discontinued item when it was first offered. This is not the concept behind the rngesus crates. The whole idea is to get people to keep buying crates.

No no, those were 100 gems. The Apex ones were 400.

If the conversion is 1:1 you might not need more than two crates to get one of the discontinued items, or the exclusive recolors. That's 800 Crowns.

That can't be right.

My guess on the conversion rate would be 1 gem for every 5 consumables or something close to that. I guess we will find out tomorrow when they release. I also opened a bunch of crates on PTS and remember only getting around 10 gems for duplicate costumes and such so I highly doubt you will get more gems for consumables. Things like crown xp scrolls might give around 3-4 gems by themselves depending on the scroll.

For potions, Gina implied a 1:1 ratio.

Even better

Abeille wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

I've read the entry.

I want to know where people are getting the information you can convert *all* the consumables you don't want to gems.

I opened the crates on the pts. I know how many poisons, potions, scrolls, and riding lessons dropped.

If they allow you to convert *all* of the consumables you don't want to gems, they might as well sell the crate exclusive stuff outright.

The entry says "several", not "all".

After the "We'll never put locked rng crates in the game." you have to watch the wording of announcements. Not to mention there is still no word about how many gems per consumable. Considering some of the poisons dropped 25 at a time, I doubt they'll do a one gem to one poison/potion/consumable. The whole point is to get people to buy crates. Allowing huge numbers of gems to be given out so people can buy what they want with gems kinda defeats the purpose of getting people to buy the scamboxes.........................

@JKorr

Look at the two posts above yours. Both posts have the entire paragraph quoted and the exact sentence that tells you what you can manually convert bolded.

@FLuFFyxMuFFiN

I'm not disputing you can convert SEVERAL consumables to gems. I'm not disputing what counts as consumables.

I want to know where people are finding the information that you can trade back ALL of the consumables.

You will also have the option to convert several items obtained from Crown Crates to Crown Gems any time you want. Items that can be manually converted include potions, poisons, riding lessons, experience scrolls, and other utility-type items. Any Crown Gems you earn can then be used to purchase the collectible items of your choosing from the current Crown Crate season.

As Abeille said, we opened the crates. I know I got poisons in a stack of 25 at a time. And that was from one card. There was the possibility to get all the cards with consumables, and no costumes or pets that you can't convert.

On the pts the premium rewards, not the apex atronach items, were 400 gems. If you wanted the premium level discontinued/retired from the store item, it wouldn't take more a few crates to get enough gems to buy what you wanted. You would, presumably, then stop buying the crates until they put something else out that you wanted. You might not even spend more than the outright buying price of 2400 crowns for the retired/discontinued item when it was first offered. This is not the concept behind the rngesus crates. The whole idea is to get people to keep buying crates.

No no, those were 100 gems. The Apex ones were 400.

If the conversion is 1:1 you might not need more than two crates to get one of the discontinued items, or the exclusive recolors. That's 800 Crowns.

That can't be right.

At this point, I truly don't remember. @MissBizz ; hate to pull you back, but you might remember more clearly. I just know that it took a lot of gems to get something you wanted if you started out not having many items already in your account. Many of the costumes and pet type items I never bought because I didn't want them. I didn't start getting gems until after I had one of every pet or costume I never bought and didn't want.

It will be interwsting to hear from the people who buy them tomorrow, that is for sure.

JKorr wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

I've read the entry.

I want to know where people are getting the information you can convert *all* the consumables you don't want to gems.

I opened the crates on the pts. I know how many poisons, potions, scrolls, and riding lessons dropped.

If they allow you to convert *all* of the consumables you don't want to gems, they might as well sell the crate exclusive stuff outright.

The entry says "several", not "all".

After the "We'll never put locked rng crates in the game." you have to watch the wording of announcements. Not to mention there is still no word about how many gems per consumable. Considering some of the poisons dropped 25 at a time, I doubt they'll do a one gem to one poison/potion/consumable. The whole point is to get people to buy crates. Allowing huge numbers of gems to be given out so people can buy what they want with gems kinda defeats the purpose of getting people to buy the scamboxes.........................

@JKorr

Look at the two posts above yours. Both posts have the entire paragraph quoted and the exact sentence that tells you what you can manually convert bolded.

@FLuFFyxMuFFiN

I'm not disputing you can convert SEVERAL consumables to gems. I'm not disputing what counts as consumables.

I want to know where people are finding the information that you can trade back ALL of the consumables.

You will also have the option to convert several items obtained from Crown Crates to Crown Gems any time you want. Items that can be manually converted include potions, poisons, riding lessons, experience scrolls, and other utility-type items. Any Crown Gems you earn can then be used to purchase the collectible items of your choosing from the current Crown Crate season.

As Abeille said, we opened the crates. I know I got poisons in a stack of 25 at a time. And that was from one card. There was the possibility to get all the cards with consumables, and no costumes or pets that you can't convert.

On the pts the premium rewards, not the apex atronach items, were 400 gems. If you wanted the premium level discontinued/retired from the store item, it wouldn't take more a few crates to get enough gems to buy what you wanted. You would, presumably, then stop buying the crates until they put something else out that you wanted. You might not even spend more than the outright buying price of 2400 crowns for the retired/discontinued item when it was first offered. This is not the concept behind the rngesus crates. The whole idea is to get people to keep buying crates.

No no, those were 100 gems. The Apex ones were 400.

If the conversion is 1:1 you might not need more than two crates to get one of the discontinued items, or the exclusive recolors. That's 800 Crowns.

That can't be right.

At this point, I truly don't remember. @MissBizz ; hate to pull you back, but you might remember more clearly. I just know that it took a lot of gems to get something you wanted if you started out not having many items already in your account. Many of the costumes and pet type items I never bought because I didn't want them. I didn't start getting gems until after I had one of every pet or costume I never bought and didn't want.

@JKorr The odds to get duplicates sucked - even if you bought a lot from the store previously - as 66% of the crown crate contents were exclusive to crown crates. The apex were 400 gems, tier just below it was 100. When you got a duplicate collectible, you would get just under 1/3 of the gems it would take to buy that same collectible in the gem store.

As per what you quoted, well, depends. Since poisons came in larger stacks - they could have reduced the stack size, or made poisons much rarer than items that are given out one at a time (such as soul gems). Could be that even though you can trade stuff back later - it could be 10 poisons = 1 gem.

We don't know and obviously we are expected to gamble our ACTUAL money to find out how something works - which is completely dirty on Zos' side.

As well, they could be completely bugged like the whatever cipher was. Who knows. We as players were not given the chance to test the "new improved" versions, and Zos was very VERY light on details.

Heck. Maybe consumables will be 1:1 ratio, but maybe they upped the gem cost of each tier. Won't know until tomorrow.

And I won't be testing them.

[Edit] Spelling and stuff.

Also, you can likely tell I'm still very bitter and have zero expectations for anything possibly considered fair at this point, sorry about that.

Cazzy wrote: »

So the PTS won't be updated to reflect the changes to the crates? That's crap

I wonder if PTS will include the Crates when the drop Update 13... maybe yet this year?

elvenmad wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

We don't know and obviously we are expected to gamble our ACTUAL money to find out how something works - which is completely dirty on Zos' side.

As well, they could be completely bugged like the whatever cipher was. Who knows. We as players were not given the chance to test the "new improved" versions, and Zos was very VERY light on details.

This is my real concern,

The Crates themselves coming to game is bad enough and has caused quite a huge response from the community, but the way they are being implemented into the game, completely blind with no info at all is even worse.

Having no choice but to spend actual real money to find how something works !! really, is that even legal ? because it should not be.

100% agree. Plus without knowing drop rates we have no idea if they'll be working as intended.