JKorr wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

prettynink wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

Just curious, who is that she-devil who-must-not-be-named who kills MMO's? Can I see somewhere the evidence she has actually been hired by ZOS to do what you're saying she's doing?

Enodoc wrote: »

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=zenimax+online+marketing+director

Can we politely *not* share names etc? This sort of thing can lead to witch hunts etc.

Crown Crates aren't a good thing. But neither is that sort of behaviour.

well to be fair as polite as it may not be. I however think it is polite that if a consumer asks a question about a product he/she has bought into that his/her question get answered. and even more so especially the concerning tid bit that a certain individual that has been put on board for marketing also specializes in xxx psychology. I thought another post someone posted with that certain individuals website was put up as a joke. It seems the joke will be on us in the near future

Oh I completely agree. About getting a response anyhow.

I completely disagree with passing around staff names who work behind the scenes and witch hunting. I honest to goodness thought this community was better than that. Guess not.

If this thread is closed down, and this thread has been pretty cool and insightful, then bravo.

I don't understand your logic. Why is the community at fault here? Why do we need to be above putting this person's name out there. She chose her career path, gets paid well to do it, ZOS hired her. No one has said anything about her that isn't true, it's all public knowledge. Why would there be a hunt for a witch if she's standing right in front of you doing the same thing she's bragged about doing for years on her LinkedIn profile?

Because in one thread where she was named, less than mature intelligence-challenged twits went to websites, started hatemail, bombed comments other places, and were less than polite in comments about her.

ZOS rightfully closed down that thread because it turned into an attack against an individual.

You can say the company sucks, or the devs do/don't do a great job at XYZ, but get into specific attacks against a single person? Yeah, that's flaming and it isn't allowed.

Criticism =/= an attack.
Voicing concerns =/= an attack.

There has been no attacking here, just pointing out that the less than satisfactory results of these same type of systems observed in other games can be linked to the same person now behind implementing them here.

Free speech isn't only a right so long as nobody gets offended. It is the right to criticize, to ridicule, to mock, to voice concerns, genuine or otherwise, and it should be protected. Attempting to silence an opposing viewpoint is counter-free-speech, and despicable.

If we, as a society, cannot tolerate 'less-than-polite comments,' then we're spineless idiots who deserve to get whatever ill-treatment those who would perpetrate it will give us.

Please note; I said this happened in a previous thread. Not this one. This one people have been rational and civil. The thread that was locked and had posts deleted was not. Hence the "Why we don't use her name." Just in case the people responsible for the less than stellar behavior weren't banned and happen to come to this thread.

By the way, please don't try the "free speech" route here. That works in a public forum, against the government infringing on your right to speak freely. It doesn't apply to a private website. Zenimax decides what is allowed here. You agreed to certain terms when you joined.

You agree not to use any Service to:
...

•Harass, stalk, threaten, embarrass, spam or do anything else to another user of any Services that is unwanted, such as repeatedly sending unwanted messages or making personal attacks or statements about race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc.;

•Take any action or upload, post, transmit, distribute, or communicate Your or any person's real-world personal information;

•Take any action, organize, transmit any Content, effectuate or participate in any activity, group, or guild that is harmful, tortuous, abusive, hateful (including "hate speech"), racially, ethnically, religiously or otherwise offensive, obscene, threatening, bullying, vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, libelous, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, encourages conduct that would violate a law or is, in a reasonable person's view, objectionable and/or deemed to be in the sole discretion of ZeniMax inappropriate;

Well, I'm one of the original folks who pointed out her LinkedIn profile...and I've done none of these things.

I simply pointed out that she lists the very things that we do not want to happen to this game as 'accomplishments' on her virtual resume, and has presided over multiple Free-to-Play transitions.

It was more of a 'you don't need to be a weatherman' moment.

The reaction to what was said was a bit harsher than what I actually said if I remember correctly. Everyone wants to be a hero and save the damsel in distress it would seem, when in reality these are things she's proud of, and a career path she chose, there is no rescuing to be done because she actually -wants- to do these things to our game.

prettynink wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

I dont really see what the issue is mentioning well known members of the ZoS 'team'. this person has been active previously in Q&A sessions before and even some on this very issue, who it is and what they do is no big secret

There is never any issues concerning the mention of any members of the Dev teams or even their superiors

The facts are publicly available this person is in charge of certain depts within ZoS and they also are very well known around the world within the gaming industry for this threads specific topic

while I agree with you it its entirety, I just can see zos coming in here because of some people taking offense to certain comments( although they shouldnt especially when its not directed at them) saying we are closing this thread due to derailment etc blah blah. Especially when this thread has been mostly kind, on topic, and very informative on other aspects. So more crate talk anyone less about this woman that shall remain nameless?

I agree and to be honest I think the community's feelings towards this topic is more than crystal clear, just as it was months ago when the possibility of crates was first released.

However another thing that is quite clear is ZoS are not interested in customer feedback concerning this topic, Crates ARE coming, Crates WILL contain exclusive items, NOTHING will stop this.

If anything some players are now more aware of what these Crates actually are now due to this thread, Its always better to learn from others experience than learn yourself through mistakes ^^

just treat this thread as a 'heads up' and if you're reading this in 2017 "I told you so"

Indeed. They may wish to ignore us here and they may wish to ignore us on other outlets for our comments and criticisms.

If we collectively speak with our crowns by not buying these things then that it is a little harder to ignore yes?

Forum blindness is a common corporate condition. The same malady does not usually apply to spreadsheets and graphs though.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

SantieClaws wrote: »

Indeed. They may wish to ignore us here and they may wish to ignore us on other outlets for our comments and criticisms.

If we collectively speak with our crowns by not buying these things then that it is a little harder to ignore yes?

Forum blindness is a common corporate condition. The same malady does not usually apply to spreadsheets and graphs though.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

The main problem

SantieClaws wrote: »

Indeed. They may wish to ignore us here and they may wish to ignore us on other outlets for our comments and criticisms.

If we collectively speak with our crowns by not buying these things then that it is a little harder to ignore yes?

Forum blindness is a common corporate condition. The same malady does not usually apply to spreadsheets and graphs though.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Lose lose situation. Nobody buys them then the faster items that should never be in crates appear. It's not what's in the crates today I'm worried about. It 's what's them 6 months from now. Not to mention the state of the game...

Those crates are even making SantieClaws unhappy. That's unacceptable.

Let's torch them!

SantieClaws wrote: »

Indeed. They may wish to ignore us here and they may wish to ignore us on other outlets for our comments and criticisms.

If we collectively speak with our crowns by not buying these things then that it is a little harder to ignore yes?

Forum blindness is a common corporate condition. The same malady does not usually apply to spreadsheets and graphs though.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Agreed however sad to say this may fall on death kitty ears

MadLarkin wrote: »

Maotti wrote: »

One thing that's really gonna annoy me is that on the next ESO live show after this thing gets released they'll cheer it on and talk about it like it's the best thing that's ever happened to ESO.

Doesn't everyone know? They're doing this for OUR benefit! We should be thanking them for this! /s

Isn't that what we wanted? A way to get retired items by purchasing a bunch of consumables that we totally were buying already?

Callous2208 wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

This topic is kind creepy...so is the comments here. I have been in the internet for while and there were very few times that I saw so much negative energy being addressed to such a shallow and meaningless issue.

I mean....VERY CREEPY.

1. How did you get in there?
2. How will you get out?
3. I don't believe you've been in very long if this thread even qualifies as remotely creepy to you by Internet standards.

^^^^ QFT. If this is your definition of creepy, you are quite new to Internet.

Milvan wrote: »

This topic is kind creepy...so is the comments here. I have been in the internet for while and there were very few times that I saw so much negative energy being addressed to such a shallow and meaningless issue.

I mean....VERY CREEPY.

I'm curious about your sig. What are "crow" crates? Are they a new feature in the Blackfeather Court?

I hope so, as I love Crow's Wood.

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

This topic is kind creepy...so is the comments here. I have been in the internet for while and there were very few times that I saw so much negative energy being addressed to such a shallow and meaningless issue.

I mean....VERY CREEPY.

1. How did you get in there?
2. How will you get out?
3. I don't believe you've been in very long if this thread even qualifies as remotely creepy to you by Internet standards.

^^^^ QFT. If this is your definition of creepy, you are quite new to Internet.

Milvan wrote: »

This topic is kind creepy...so is the comments here. I have been in the internet for while and there were very few times that I saw so much negative energy being addressed to such a shallow and meaningless issue.

I mean....VERY CREEPY.

I'm curious about your sig. What are "crow" crates? Are they a new feature in the Blackfeather Court?

I hope so, as I love Crow's Wood.

Now a Crow Crate Khajiit could probably support! Tasty, bitey, angry, clever crows ...

*spits feathers*

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

BruceLeeroy91 wrote: »

any time frame for when we can expect the crown detail post?

They did say tomorrow. So given the standard ZOS has set, anytime in the next 6 months.

Lolol true...they did say tomorrow, yesterday (11/28) correct?

Abeille wrote: »

Just to alleviate some tension, I would like to mention that I read all of @lordrichter 's posts on Troy Baker's voice.

Hmm.

BruceLeeroy91 wrote: »

any time frame for when we can expect the crown detail post?

I have often wondered what goes into the timing of these sorts of announcements.

elvenmad wrote: »

If anything some players are now more aware of what these Crates actually are now due to this thread, Its always better to learn from others experience than learn yourself through mistakes ^^

just treat this thread as a 'heads up' and if you're reading this in 2017 "I told you so"

But how many players are still oblivious to all this. All those who are not on the forums and didn't see the PTS test results and the concerns of many forum posters. Especially with all the new players who are running around now.

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Gina. Always Gina. They know that even a grade A, ***hole like me can't stay mad at her. [/quote]

That is so true. The part about Gina - I don't know if you're actually a grade A ***hole or not. She's perfect for her job.

senhavran wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

Why Crown Crates will slow down the release of new content more than the actual Crown Store? Aren't there supposed to be different development teams, like one dedicated to the Crown Store, one for testing, one for PvP combat, etc?

Because RNG Boxes make more money with the same cost of development. It's really just that.

I'll give you an example. Say, how many Crowns would an Apex mount cost in the Crown Store? 5k Crowns? Maybe 6k Crowns?
I spent over 34k Crowns on the PTS before I was able to have enough gems to buy one of them. I didn't drop a single Apex mount.

I agree, the odds are really bad if you want something specific from these crates, but I don't understand why it will slow down the release of new content. ^^' I'm sorry if I sound dumb but I don't think the whole dev team is needed to work on the Crown Crates, I guess I will have to see it happening by myself to believe it and I don't want to see it happening...

I think for me and a lot of players, it's the general sentiment that seems like an insult, and that sentiment is:

"We've put something new and really cool in the game, but you can't have it unless you throw an indefinite amount of money at us to get it, and chances are really really low you'll get it anyway - because we want to make as much money off of you as possible with the least amount of effort"

They're not selling the Apex mounts straight up simply because they want us to pay for them several times before we get them. To me, that's a disrespectful tease. Most players won't be able to afford to do this - and it's a shame, really, given the fact that most players are the reason why everyone at ZOS has been able to maintain their jobs.

And to those whales, I'd say you should expect plenty of people to be disgusted with you and your new mount, because it's a mere token of your non-solidarity and support for the greed and exploitation exemplified by MMOs and their out-of-touch, short-sighted corporate masters.

Finally, I really wanted to drop another $100 on this last crown sale, but held off. With this announcement, I'm sure I did the right thing, because in the end, when they're going through with such a controversial move in the face of so much backlash, it also implys "We had a rough start, and now we're cashing out - regardless of how many of our most dedicated fans we disappoint." And when those fans stop supporting the game financially or leave all together, yeah: that's gonna equal less revenue for producing quality content. I can already hear marketing and their future pitch to corporate "Well, we've got the numbers... subs are down, core game sales are down, but the crown crate sales are on the rise! (from non-existent, lol). The smart money says double down on crown crates." -_-