Judgedread101071 wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

I quit ESO after 300 runs of not getting a single useful weapon.

We have a guild in Black Desert with over 30 players that quit ESO solely because of not getting their vMA weapons after hundreds of runs (almost 50 ex-ESO players overall that quit for various reasons). Some of them didn't get a single Inferno after 1000+ runs. People who have been leading the leaderboards for months. Overall, I know 6 people that didn't get their Inferno after 1000+ runs, but the other 3 didn't want to come with us to BDO.

BDO has a "bad luck protection" system implemented in its RNG. Chances increase to get a certain item on the next roll when you didn't get it the previous time. But then again, BiS items are BoE there. And the chances to get something that is hard to get are equal for everyone. Never in hell would the devs hand out BiS weapons to decent players for some time and then lock them behind impossible odds for everyone else who doesn't have them yet in a later patch, like ZOS did.

You should really check out BDO to see what a good game looks like. If you also got screwed hard by vMA RNG, feel free to shoot me a private message. Always happy to have more skilled, competitive players in our BDO guild.

Thx for inv mate.But the thing is that I still have one thing unfinished here (HM vr MoL} .After that if they continue to treat us the way they do (most probable thing imo) I ll just quit on line gaming overall since i was never that much into it it.
The sad thing is that I still enjoy some aspects of the game and although there is potential here the devs always manage to shoot their own foot by not giving solution to many problems in the game and always focusing on the fraking crown store!

Then maybe they should just put master/maelstrom weapons in the crown store.... come on zos... think about all that money. You might even get me to buy something.

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

I quit ESO after 300 runs of not getting a single useful weapon.

We have a guild in Black Desert with over 30 players that quit ESO solely because of not getting their vMA weapons after hundreds of runs (almost 50 ex-ESO players overall that quit for various reasons). Some of them didn't get a single Inferno after 1000+ runs. People who have been leading the leaderboards for months. Overall, I know 6 people that didn't get their Inferno after 1000+ runs, but the other 3 didn't want to come with us to BDO.

BDO has a "bad luck protection" system implemented in its RNG. Chances increase to get a certain item on the next roll when you didn't get it the previous time. But then again, BiS items are BoE there. And the chances to get something that is hard to get are equal for everyone. Never in hell would the devs hand out BiS weapons to decent players for some time and then lock them behind impossible odds for everyone else who doesn't have them yet in a later patch, like ZOS did.

You should really check out BDO to see what a good game looks like. If you also got screwed hard by vMA RNG, feel free to shoot me a private message. Always happy to have more skilled, competitive players in our BDO guild.

Thx for inv mate.But the thing is that I still have one thing unfinished here (HM vr MoL} .After that if they continue to treat us the way they do (most probable thing imo) I ll just quit on line gaming overall since i was never that much into it it.
The sad thing is that I still enjoy some aspects of the game and although there is potential here the devs always manage to shoot their own foot by not giving solution to many problems in the game and always focusing on the fraking crown store!

Then maybe they should just put master/maelstrom weapons in the crown store.... come on zos... think about all that money. You might even get me to buy something.

The day i see such weapons in crown store is the day i quit the game.
Not trying to be an ars but this would be plain and simple "pay to win" situation wich in my book is unacceptable.
Anyone who wants a master or maelstrom weapon should work for it and not just pay for it.

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

I quit ESO after 300 runs of not getting a single useful weapon.

We have a guild in Black Desert with over 30 players that quit ESO solely because of not getting their vMA weapons after hundreds of runs (almost 50 ex-ESO players overall that quit for various reasons). Some of them didn't get a single Inferno after 1000+ runs. People who have been leading the leaderboards for months. Overall, I know 6 people that didn't get their Inferno after 1000+ runs, but the other 3 didn't want to come with us to BDO.

BDO has a "bad luck protection" system implemented in its RNG. Chances increase to get a certain item on the next roll when you didn't get it the previous time. But then again, BiS items are BoE there. And the chances to get something that is hard to get are equal for everyone. Never in hell would the devs hand out BiS weapons to decent players for some time and then lock them behind impossible odds for everyone else who doesn't have them yet in a later patch, like ZOS did.

You should really check out BDO to see what a good game looks like. If you also got screwed hard by vMA RNG, feel free to shoot me a private message. Always happy to have more skilled, competitive players in our BDO guild.

Thx for inv mate.But the thing is that I still have one thing unfinished here (HM vr MoL} .After that if they continue to treat us the way they do (most probable thing imo) I ll just quit on line gaming overall since i was never that much into it it.
The sad thing is that I still enjoy some aspects of the game and although there is potential here the devs always manage to shoot their own foot by not giving solution to many problems in the game and always focusing on the fraking crown store!

Then maybe they should just put master/maelstrom weapons in the crown store.... come on zos... think about all that money. You might even get me to buy something.

The day i see such weapons in crown store is the day i quit the game.
Not trying to be an ars but this would be plain and simple "pay to win" situation wich in my book is unacceptable.
Anyone who wants a master or maelstrom weapon should work for it and not just pay for it.

ha well therein lies the problem....you nailed it. I don't want to BUY my maelstrom weapons... i want to EARN them. But i might never see the item i'm looking for in this arena because of the drop system.

"Work" implies progress. If I run vAA 5 times... odds are that me and a few others will get the gold pieces of jewelry we need. That is actual progression from work. The same goes for monster helm farming and even undaunted chests are better now with update 12. 6 keys a day and you can CHOOSE one of three chests with predetermined shoulder pieces in each one.

There is no sense of progression in vMA. Every completion could theoretically get you the same item 100 times in a row. There are too many items with too many available traits. No amount of "work" will change that. My last three runs in vMA got me a bow... two with the same trait. IF it was truly random, the odds of that would be in the fraction of a percent range. We're talking like.. 0.3% chance. But since this happens to so many others... we can only assume it isn't random at all.

They need to make this like the undaunted chests... a vet clear of vMA gets you a token or two or however many that you can use to open a chest for a shot at a more specified weapon. UN dilute this pool of junk.

How can i not be angry when a friend got his sharpened inferno on his 2nd attempt and a sharpened dagger on his 4th!!
My self on the other hand spent countless hours and in-game gold and still got jack ***!!
Any devs wanna comment??? I dont even know how to tug them ffs!

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

How can i not be angry when a friend got his sharpened inferno on his 2nd attempt and a sharpened dagger on his 4th!!
My self on the other hand spent countless hours and in-game gold and still got jack ***!!
Any devs wanna comment??? I dont even know how to tug them ffs!

same here... i know someone who payed for a few runs... his first run got him a precise lightning staff (the exact weapon i want) and here i am with multiple bows and 2 handed weapons i don't need.

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Your "RNG" is killing the game and it has the opposite effect than the one intented.

I really wished the devs realised this. RNG in this game is probably one of the most complained about portions of ESO, yet they seem to turn a blind eye.

Also if the community stoped bitching about frivolous things and started complaining about the serious ones more intensly ( we all remember what happened when the whole community was outraged with cheat engine} maybe then something will be done.

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

How can i not be angry when a friend got his sharpened inferno on his 2nd attempt and a sharpened dagger on his 4th!!
My self on the other hand spent countless hours and in-game gold and still got jack ***!!
Any devs wanna comment??? I dont even know how to tug them ffs!

same here... i know someone who payed for a few runs... his first run got him a precise lightning staff (the exact weapon i want) and here i am with multiple bows and 2 handed weapons i don't need.

LOL i just saw the "pay" thing!!!!
Well i hope anyone who gives their account to someone else just to complete MSA they deserve to have their banks and inventory hacked and looted hehehe.

Everything described here is the very DEFINITION of the RNG.
It's not broken. Your last roll does not have any bearing on your next roll.

It's as simple as that.

1% chance is always 1% chance and while improbable but not impossible you could play the game until the end of time and still not get the drop you want.

OR someone could get it on their very first try.

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Everything described here is the very DEFINITION of the RNG.
It's not broken. Your last roll does not have any bearing on your next roll.

It's as simple as that.

1% chance is always 1% chance and while improbable but not impossible you could play the game until the end of time and still not get the drop you want.

OR someone could get it on their very first try.

Thx for that mate.It was very insightful.
But as i said before and if you take a look at the video you will come to realize that although "rundom generator number" means what you said you can not overshight the fact that some traits and weapons are more favoured by "RNG".
Have you EVER read about anyone saying that they are getting too many sharpened weapons?
And why there is never a streak of sharpened weapons for anyone but plenty of the other traits?
And if your answer is gonna be "RNG" then you dont get the point.

Remove training and prosperous from the loot table, or even just limit them to the normal mode of Dungeons as those are made for players getting into the game and learning it. Vet modes should absolutely not drop Training or Prosperous.

Make the game drop actual "smart" loot. Remove 2h and Bow as possible drop for magic set and staves from Stamina sets.

I just eliminated 20% of bad RNG drops in an instant.

And yet another worthless piece of junk since my last post


https://imgur.com/a/Y9DSM


thx ZOS

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Everything described here is the very DEFINITION of the RNG.
It's not broken. Your last roll does not have any bearing on your next roll.

It's as simple as that.

1% chance is always 1% chance and while improbable but not impossible you could play the game until the end of time and still not get the drop you want.

OR someone could get it on their very first try.

And another thing.According to your logic there should be plenty of players out there with more sharpened weapons than the other traits.If you could find even one in the whole game I will give you all my gold and i will just quit the game.

There will be some players with more sharpened weapons over a small sample size of runs, but the more runs you do the more stuff will even out. It's possible to get 2 sharpened weapons on your first 2 runs and then you have 100% sharpened weapons. @CapuchinSeven is right; it's unconditional rng, just like a 2 ball lottery, and nothing is favoured by unconditional rng. Getting the weapon you want is like getting your first number drawn, and getting the trait you want is like getting your second number drawn, and bingo! The chances of getting both are small which is why you mostly get stuff that annoys you. The human mind looks for patterns and suddenly you're convinced the system is weighted to give you mostly bad traits/weapons, but in reality it's just not weighted to give you mostly good traits/weapons.

Not again with "the human mind sees patterns"guys.
Its quite simple if you take a look at the players loot.Out of the 200+ weapons i have (and i believe that applies for all the players)only a small fraction are sharpened.And by your logic if it IS really RNG you should be able to find players with most of their weapons sharpened right? And i don't mean out ofa pool of 5 weapons cause for sure there .you could have more sharpned.
But if you find a player with 100+ weapons and he has more sharpened than the other traits (which again by your explanation of RNG could happen)I ll make you the same deal ,I ll give you my gold and i ll quit the game.

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

After 300+ runs in maelstrom and having kept all of my weapons, I am certain now that your "RNG" favours bows and restos by at least 2x.
I wont even bother to post another video since none of these threads ever gets an answer.
I guess the devs are too busy closing threads they dont like.
Your "RNG" is killing the game and it has the opposite effect than the one intented.
People at some point will stop the mind-numbing grinding and either move to another game or stop playing this one.
We put the effort and all we get in return is stupid loot with stupid traits not worth even to decon them.
I know that this thread will end up in oblivion prety soon but after my second resto drop in maelstrom today i had to vent some steam.
And as for the devs I really hope that your paychecks suffer the "RNG" you are putting us through.After all "RNG" is fun as one of you potatoheads said.

Please share screenshot showing 300 weapons in your inventory ;-)