PvP: Proc Vs Player

ChildOfLight wrote: »

Playing Eso for 1 year, usually watching top Pvpers'streaming, but never approched PvP myself.
I was thinking something like: "I want to get a good build in order to compete on equal term with those bad bruhs" . Well, this can be questionable, to be honest, but the fact is that I played pve for about all the time since the beginning and I enjoyed that.

Yesterday I decided to give a try to it with my full build Magika Sorc (5 julianos gold, 2 Nerien, 3 willpower) and I found it NOT FUNNY.
Yes I may be not good at the game and this would end up in bad results in pvp, but I would like to underline some points that are not l2p issue related, in my opinion.
How can I play on the same terms against stamina characters if they can dodge roll 16 times, CC break 12 times and still spam Vigor 5 times while animation cancelling at me Swallow sould, Terror, dawnbreaker and executioner. Approximating for excess I can dodge roll and cc break 1 time.

After some of this kind of experiences, I decided I was doing something wrong. Maybe I should get the distance and throw my rotation from far away, maybe from behind some ally guys.
The exact same guy of the previous example, switching bar, started spamming Snipe from a distance none of my skills cant compare.

So, my question is: what's the point of playing a magika sorc if stamina based characters prevale in every aspect?
More damage, better resource managing, same or better skills from the distance . In which aspect a magicka sorc really shines over stam characters?

Of course, these are only impressions from my point of view. What frustrates me is that after enjoying so much the storyline and the pve in general, I cant do the same with PvP cause of its (apparently) unbalance. And all the time spent in the PvE suddendly appears senseless.

I would appreciate your points of view, over, eventually, some build suggestions.

If you are new to PVP...

start like an ordinary Joe

Don't look too much to Hollywood stars on stream
Don't try to kill that one person that is better

Just start learning
going through all different kind of situations that you see other people doing around you
and watch around you to your fellow Aliance players

And if you die to often/fast... slot some more defensive stuf

And Nerienth will do you no good in PVP

magsorc is fun (love the fireworks display they put out)...plus, maybe the most challenging class at the moment to play in cyro - maybe not the best character to start out pvping with...much safer to go with a heavy armor stamplar or dk if unfamiliar with pvp...

i logged on to play pvp for the first time in OT. Every death recap was the same, proc sets, NBs, healing debuffs and the same skills used by everyone. It took an hour before i logged off.

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Even impenetrable traits won't save you. Reroll stamina get a 2h and S&B viper weapons and jewellery, tremorscale and a set of black rose. You will at least have a chance then.

This was my first thought too, sadly.

With 11k HP, I can one-shot you all day. That hp needs to be at least doubled to even have a chance to stay alive.

Honestly I don't know how I win sometimes . Keeping distance is important and the rest is probably waiting for them to make a mistake .

Truth is pvp is more balanced now than ever in the game, and it's still a mess.

You can still have tons of fun joining your friends, or random pugs who want extra help in their team regardless of how good or bad your build & gear is for pvp, and just do lowscale pvp for fun ...if you wish to earn AP and become the next emperor, then you should reconsider build & gear and listen to the folks in the posts above mine.

I pvp so rarely, that I can't be bothered to gear up for it. I just rush in with healing gear as a DD and I have tons of fun, either alone or I team up with randoms or friends that I meet there. The most fun I've had in pvp was with a lowbie group of level 17-20 players, where I was the only one with CP and we fought an emperor from opposite faction.

Sometimes we won, sometimes the emperor wiped us all - we had so much fun regardless, and I handed out grand soul gems to my group mates, as some of them didn't have those Not everyone you meet in pvp are fully pvp geared, it's very chaotic.

Rant/essay:

For the past couple of years I've enjoyed PvP more than any other content - the need for you to compete using your own skill had made it the real 'end game' for me. Sure, I ran dungeons and farmed what needed farming in PvE, but it was all focused on improving PvP play.

Over the past month - and even more so over the last week - I've become incredibly disaffected with PvP. There has always been a 'meta', but you've also always been able to combat it in some way. You could always get through it and have some success with enjoyable, skill-based builds. Even when your class/build was in a bad place, if you knew it well then you could make it work - and make it work well. When Malubeth was broken, you could stack debuffs and time your burst cleverly. When shuffle/major mending stamDKs/Templars were an issue, you could avoid their LoS traps and exploit their mis-timed heals. When (and still..) Templars stack jesus beams on you, you can interrupt their channel and watch as they struggle to remember what their other buttons do. Now? Now you're fighting against players with incredible defence from HA, incredible sustain from HA, and frankly obscene burst from proc sets. What is the counter to that? Don't hit them so their Wrath/Constitution passives don't activate? Don't get hit so that their procs don't work?

After 1T dropped on PS4, I hopped on my trusty PvP mDK. Sure, open world he can falter a bit, but he takes pride in 1v1 combat - he uses HA (not BR) but loses out on damage and (some) sustain from doing so. I hopped into a few duels - killed a few sorcs, had a few long - but successful - fights against tankier builds. Then in comes a CP ~300 stamina NB. Black rose, Viper, Velidreth. By no means a 'unique' build. As a HA mDK, my burst is somewhat lackluster - this is my problem - had it been a bit higher I could've gotten through his heals. But every 4-9 seconds, without fail, in comes the viper + veli proc. Being tanky and with good dueling heals from Embers, I could make it through - and I did so for the first 10-15 combos - I just couldn't punch through his damned resistances. Eventually he gets a lucky proc and I drop after about 20 minutes. Feeling a bit disheartened I took a break for the night.

Next evening- someone has obviously stalked Fengrush/Sypher's channel and farmed throughout the night. Sword & Board stamDK. I've seen those videos too, so I had no doubts what I was going up against. Sure enough, procing all over the place - eventual death recap - Tremorscale, Viper, Dawnbreaker (with a little reverb bash thrown in). As there was no Widowmaker, I can only assume that Black Rose was thrown in there. I'm not sure which is better.

So to answer your question, OP - after a few more nights and many more similar duels, plus a fair amount of time in Cyrodiil, I respecced my mDK for PvE. This meta is horrible and those who don't conform to it - excluding those very skilled players - are absolutely gimping themselves beyond measure. Pretty soon I expect that those who refuse to use these builds will vacate Cyrodiil, and everyone else will switch to them. To those people, I say enjoy the proc race - I truly hope that you manage to get your procs off slightly before the other guy does.

Yeah..... 33k magic is not going to cut it. You need to run CP 150 purple food and get your sustain from somewhere else. Your small magic pool severely nerfs your damage on top of giving you weak shields that any light attack will break.