Account-Wide Skyshards

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO · October 2016

Ok, so maybe this is a terrible idea, but I think it would be interesting to open it up for discussion, because frankly, I can only see the beneifts of allowing skyshards to be shared across characters on the same account. This would alleviate much of the headache of leveling alts, I think, and wouldn't unfairly unbalance the game. The only advantage players would see is less time spent running to go get skyshards they have already collected on another toon. Maybe this could be a benefit for ESO Plus subscribers. Or, if everyone thinks this would somehow be an imbalancer, then I think another alternative would be max-level template alts to start with (once you already have a character that has reached max-level, of course). I know that's pretty common with some other MMO's, and it just kind of makes sense to me as a way to play other classes and build types without having to sink dozens and dozens of hours into leveling. But of course, these are just my opinions and I would love to hear other people's thoughts! (Because it's very possible that there are details which I am overlooking that could completely disrupt the balance of the game if skyshards are allowed to be shared across characters, or if we were allowed to create max-level characters). Thanks!

(P.S. I looked for similar threads on this topic, and found nothing, so hopefully I am not posting something that has already been discussed. If this has already come up though, I apologize and will delete this thread.)

PhaeroX · October 2016

Yeah, I'm with you on this one. It's an annoying grind to hunt down all those skyshards for every character. Account-wide skyshards would be a big improvement in my mind.

Khairiah · October 2016

So basicly you want skill points transfered along with CPs?
Now my main has 300+ skill points which would be moved to my newly created alt, along with my 531(soon to be 561)CPs.
You already now get more skill points while lvling after they removed veteran ranks, and since you still need to unlock skill and crafting trees through lvling I dont see much point other than pure time saving.

Sorry, but I dont like the idea of it.

Knootewoot · October 2016

I don't agree with this. No need for new characters to have many skillpoints to distribute from start.

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO · October 2016

Knootewoot wrote: »

I don't agree with this. No need for new characters to have many skillpoints to distribute from start.

Initially, you're right. There is no need for new characters to have many skills. My proposal is just one that would allow new toons on an account to not have to worry about collecting skyshards for skills. You could just level and add skills as you see fit, since you won't need to worry about the distribution of them. The same thing would somehow have to happen if high or max level character templates were introduced for players who already have max level characters. Otherwise, you would have to run around questing and collecting skyshards to use skills on a template character.

BigBragg · October 2016

I would push for account-wide riding skills well before Skyshards.

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO · October 2016

BigBragg wrote: »

I would push for account-wide riding skills well before Skyshards.

That is also a good idea. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about skyshards

AzraelKrieg · October 2016

That would eliminate the need for exploration. Yes getting the Skyshards in Cyrodiil and Imperial City is a pain but that's where the thrill is. Making it so that all skyshards are shared across all characters on an account is just lazy and unrewarding.

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO · October 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

That would eliminate the need for exploration. Yes getting the Skyshards in Cyrodiil and Imperial City is a pain but that's where the thrill is. Making it so that all skyshards are shared across all characters on an account is just lazy and unrewarding.

I don't think it eliminates the need for exploration, because there is still quest content and PvP to do. What it does eliminate is the need to take every toon to every zone full of content you've already done to pick up enough skyshards to create the builds you need to be competitive for end-game content and PvP. Plus, my proposal is that you would still have to find the skyshards in the first place, so the initial exporation would still need to be done. It would just be a time saver for future characters created.

Wolfshead · October 2016

@Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO

Well consider that most skyshards in this game are in dungeon mostly solo one that would mean those place would become almost empty for most people go there just to the skyshards beside if you get the skyshards addon it is not that hard to grinder skyshards beside i like do it is for me atlest a break from do quest for while.

Honest i dont like idea the game so become easyer CP make easy as it now anyway for new alt char you are really overkill for most part.

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO · October 2016

Wolfshead wrote: »

@Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO

Well consider that most skyshards in this game are in dungeon mostly solo one that would mean those place would become almost empty for most people go there just to the skyshards beside if you get the skyshards addon it is not that hard to grinder skyshards beside i like do it is for me atlest a break from do quest for while.

Honest i dont like idea the game so become easyer CP make easy as it now anyway for new alt char you are really overkill for most part.

With the changes in Update 12, I think that the item set distribution (being zone specific) would be sufficient to keep people returning to delves to collect gear. But I see your point, and I agree that this could cause a decrease in player volume in delves and public dungeons.

MissBizz · October 2016

I like finding skyshards on my alts...

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO · October 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

I like finding skyshards on my alts...

That is something I had honestly not considered haha. To me, it was always just kind of a tiresome chore. I suppose then a better option would just be allowing players to create new characters at level 1, or at level 50 the way the PTS does, so that those of us who don't want to spend time leveling and collecting skyshards need not worry about it, while those who see the fun in it can start a new toon from scratch.

Synfaer · October 2016

Why not stop there, how about levels account wide?
All you have to do is level 1 character and every character you create from then on is max level with all skill points and skills ready to use!
Also all gear is duplicated so your new character does not have to grind for gear!
On second though, to hell with leveling a character, there should be an option in character creation to make a fully leveled character instantly with the gear of your choice and 100's of skills to choose from.

Wait a minute...I have another awesome idea...you can copy someone else's character you like down to their die colored tootsies so you don't even have to worry about builds or choosing gear or appearance or anything really.

/sarcasm

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Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO · October 2016

Synfaer wrote: »

Why not stop there, how about levels account wide?
All you have to do is level 1 character and every character you create from then on is max level with all skill points and skills ready to use!
Also all gear is duplicated so your new character does not have to grind for gear!
On second though, to hell with leveling a character, there should be an option in character creation to make a fully leveled character instantly with the gear of your choice and 100's of skills to choose from.

Wait a minute...I have another awesome idea...you can copy someone else's character you like down to their die colored tootsies so you don't even have to worry about builds or choosing gear or appearance or anything really.

/sarcasm

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No need to be rude, it's very possible to express disagreement without having to be snide.

Synfaer · October 2016

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

Synfaer wrote: »

Why not stop there, how about levels account wide?
All you have to do is level 1 character and every character you create from then on is max level with all skill points and skills ready to use!
Also all gear is duplicated so your new character does not have to grind for gear!
On second though, to hell with leveling a character, there should be an option in character creation to make a fully leveled character instantly with the gear of your choice and 100's of skills to choose from.

Wait a minute...I have another awesome idea...you can copy someone else's character you like down to their die colored tootsies so you don't even have to worry about builds or choosing gear or appearance or anything really.

/sarcasm

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No need to be rude, it's very possible to express disagreement without having to be snide.

My apologies if you were offended and my sarcasm caused you distress.
Sure I could have said that letting people have pre-leveled characters with all skill points is a bad idea, but I am tired and your post made me think of how lazy people can be.

SanSan · October 2016

I'm sorry but that's dumb. New character would have a lot of skill points. It takes away from the adventure of hunting shards and gaining points to get skills/level them up.
Keep it the way it is now.

disintegr8 · October 2016

I disagree with the suggestion of account wide skyshards, account wide CP already makes leveling new alts easy. Being able to access all of those skill points from level 4 would make leveling feel even more mundane to me.

I think taking new characters out to find the skyshards helps with getting their maps populated as they find locations while travelling. They aren't that hard to find and you can look online for maps if you are having trouble.

MissBizz · October 2016

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

I like finding skyshards on my alts...

That is something I had honestly not considered haha. To me, it was always just kind of a tiresome chore. I suppose then a better option would just be allowing players to create new characters at level 1, or at level 50 the way the PTS does, so that those of us who don't want to spend time leveling and collecting skyshards need not worry about it, while those who see the fun in it can start a new toon from scratch.

Haha yeah. I actually enjoy playing my alts like it's a new game. Listen to all the quests and everything

For me the journey is awesome and I'm not all about end game, but I can understand that it could be a chore if you're not into that part and just want to get a new class race combo up to par to do the content you enjoy best

I am against it though, I just feel that with cp they already made alts much easier to grab.

Acrolas · October 2016

Update 18: We've streamlined the leveling process by making all of your characters cosmetic skins. You'll progress one time, collect one time, and achieve one time. One Tamriel (tm) is now One (tm)

In One (tm) skills and abilities don't matter. No matter what enemy you encounter, you will repeatedly press one button until the enemy surrenders and gives you a participation trophy. You will then shake hands and never encounter each other again. In One (tm) PVP, advancement will be streamlined to 1 million AP awarded every time you send a pretty picture to another player. AP can be used to buy parchment and crayons.

One (tm). Because really, who has time?

Ackwalan · October 2016

Acrolas wrote: »

Update 18: We've streamlined the leveling process by making all of your characters cosmetic skins. You'll progress one time, collect one time, and achieve one time. One Tamriel (tm) is now One (tm)

In One (tm) skills and abilities don't matter. No matter what enemy you encounter, you will repeatedly press one button until the enemy surrenders and gives you a participation trophy. You will then shake hands and never encounter each other again. In One (tm) PVP, advancement will be streamlined to 1 million AP awarded every time you send a pretty picture to another player. AP can be used to buy parchment and crayons.

One (tm). Because really, who has time?

Can I use a macro to push the one button for me? It's exhausting to repeatedly push it myself.

elantaura · October 2016

First skyshards, then, people will want fighters guild, then mages, add alliance war, undaunted then there will be its so boring there is nothing to do etc. people will complain about that.
Although it would be nice to have my 329 skill points I think it is on an level 3 or even a 50 what would I do. And some of those are from war rank. Two other characters have more skill points there too. I actually went and got extras so I could do max writs on more than one character and made money on Kutas a while ago before TG, DB.

Why shouldn't the person who does the boring grind have an advantage over the one who does not? Be it through the ability to do writs gain gold or switch roles without a reset on the fly with some gear as they have it maxed and points in it.
Shouldn't the fleashed out out 300cp person with the skills and points keep that advantage over the 531cp without points for the passives etc? I mean they have to grind cp but if they have some advantage let it be.

Why shouldn't the older more played character with all the skill points, have a bit of an edge over a new level 50?
ironically I was complaining " bitterly" About getting skyshards last night to a friend but I do it, so that my character is better than a shell. And if I do it don't I deserve some advantage over the person who did not? Getting them also helps me open up skill lines and get good rotations And timing because I'm playing the character. Which means when I jump in a trial for example I'm pulling my weight with good rotations and passives and know what my character can survive a little better. My pvp points were obtained on those characters too - learning how to play them in pvp.

Each day I log in and decide what to do I miss some things to pursue others,last night I missed undaunted, and doing the DB dailys to grab skyshards. Is it fair to give the person who did them for example the the motifs, undaunted experience thepeople who did them earned as well as the skill points that another player chose to get insteadon its many alts. To give them account wide takes away from those of us who did in fact spend time getting them on multiple characters, we had to often make choices, not to pursue another activity in order to get them and while other player may have got skills we didnt get doing pvp or undaunted, ledgerderman, DB, TG, a lore book or fighters guild grind or just had fun on a raid and obtained a cool bit of equipment I don't get because I spent my time getting a skyshard. I dislike getting them but see the unfairness and lack of balance in making them account wide.

Now mounts I'll agree too especially as I have lost days because of maintenance.

TheShadowScout · October 2016

No thanks.

For one, some people like me enjoy guiding their alts through all the skyshard hunting, even if some can be a bit difficult...

For another, if they make it all account wide, there is far less reason for people to play then game, thus they'd be hurting themselves as more and more would start "this game is boring, I'm outta here" threads and look for some new game...

And finally, why would they do something like that aynhow when it goes not gain them anything??
If anything, they might make crown-based "shyshard collections" so those who really, really cannot stand to do all the work again can overpay to bypass it (much like the crown riding lessions for your horses)

Taylor_MB · October 2016

100% with OP.

I did everything on my first toon, why would I want to repeat the same exploration (except running from skyshard to skyshard and ignoring everything around me) I've already done? That is so tremendously boring and repetitive.

There absolutely does need to be some level progression, but once you have a max'd out toon, that should be tied to experience points (and level) and unlocking skills, not collecting silly ass stones in order to use your skills the xp is unlocking.

Edit: I'm more likely to quit because I want a change from my current toon but the thought of not only grinding XP but also skyshards makes me stop playing, then getting bored because it's a little easier to play the other (broadly speaking) dozen build types out there.

Komma · October 2016

Ackwalan wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

Update 18: We've streamlined the leveling process by making all of your characters cosmetic skins. You'll progress one time, collect one time, and achieve one time. One Tamriel (tm) is now One (tm)

In One (tm) skills and abilities don't matter. No matter what enemy you encounter, you will repeatedly press one button until the enemy surrenders and gives you a participation trophy. You will then shake hands and never encounter each other again. In One (tm) PVP, advancement will be streamlined to 1 million AP awarded every time you send a pretty picture to another player. AP can be used to buy parchment and crayons.

One (tm). Because really, who has time?

Can I use a macro to push the one button for me? It's exhausting to repeatedly push it myself.

Or better yet...Just log in and push the go button and watch your character play itself! I really think we may be on to something!

Ackwalan · October 2016

Komma wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

Update 18: We've streamlined the leveling process by making all of your characters cosmetic skins. You'll progress one time, collect one time, and achieve one time. One Tamriel (tm) is now One (tm)

In One (tm) skills and abilities don't matter. No matter what enemy you encounter, you will repeatedly press one button until the enemy surrenders and gives you a participation trophy. You will then shake hands and never encounter each other again. In One (tm) PVP, advancement will be streamlined to 1 million AP awarded every time you send a pretty picture to another player. AP can be used to buy parchment and crayons.

One (tm). Because really, who has time?

Can I use a macro to push the one button for me? It's exhausting to repeatedly push it myself.

Or better yet...Just log in and push the go button and watch your character play itself! I really think we may be on to something!

I don't know, that still sounds like a lot of button pushing.

SkylarkX · October 2016

Perhaps the solution is to provide access to skyshards via the crownstore, but only skyshards you have 'unlocked' on an existing character.

leepalmer95 · October 2016

Takes 3 hours 3-50.

You can get skill points via skyshards, quests, 1 per dungeon both normal and vet, main quests, 1 per public dungeon, they are not too hard so a few hours skill point hunting...

Fighters guild levels naturally as you level so at 50 most people are on 8.5 or 9 , maybe an hour on this to get too 10.

Mage guild is a pain.

Undaunted takes a while unless you manage to find a dedicated good dps undaunted grinding group and do all dungeon achievement then you can get 9 in a day.

But yeah... full end game character in around 10 hours, people are just lazy.

ldzlcs065 · October 2016

In fact, I think this is a good idea. IMO it's better to make skyshards instead of champion points be account-wide.

SkylarkX · October 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Takes 3 hours 3-50.

You can get skill points via skyshards, quests, 1 per dungeon both normal and vet, main quests, 1 per public dungeon, they are not too hard so a few hours skill point hunting...

Fighters guild levels naturally as you level so at 50 most people are on 8.5 or 9 , maybe an hour on this to get too 10.

Mage guild is a pain.

Undaunted takes a while unless you manage to find a dedicated good dps undaunted grinding group and do all dungeon achievement then you can get 9 in a day.

But yeah... full end game character in around 10 hours, people are just lazy.

How do you get to 50 in 3 hours?

Didn't think it was possible since the nerf to Fungal/Wayrest

SublimeSparo · October 2016

Good idea but make it optional, ie on your character sheet a button to click 'apply already collected skyshards' so then anyone that doesn't want them doesn't have to have them.
And only skyshards not quest/cyrodiil points