Valencer wrote: »

Yeah, equilibrium + backup healer was always potent, but then we're talking about some solid group synergies and at least 2 healers working well together. I don't think you really need to do fancy things like that anymore to perma-spam BoL.

Manoekin wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

@Joy_Division wai you gotta prick holes in my sorc house like dat, fam?

Bubbles are bound to burst at some point. Should have went with the much more sturdy Templar House.

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

MoeCoastie wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

MoeCoastie wrote: »

i like the build, I like the purpose of the build, I play my Templar very similar so I guess Im bias....or old school. whatever you wanna call it.

As far as people claiming they cant burst down someone being healed by a templar like this:

this is a team game, ASSIST!

So, in other words: Go screw yourself solo players.

There lies your problem. Your approach to this game is all wrong. Had you been playing Streetfighter, you'd be justified in your logic. Unfortunately, youre playing a multiplayer game.

Which brings me to a gripe of mine. In every MMO ive played Ive dabbled in solo play. Ive NEVER seen a solo-community complain and *** as much as Ive seen in this game. The culture is sickening. Players willfully choose to play solo which essentially is hard-mode and they complain like they were forced to do it! They choose hard-mode in an MMO and campaign to make solo play easier! That is the type of PvP I'd rather not see. If I enjoyed that type of PvP i'd visit my local arcade and challange some 4 year old to a game of streetfighter while I spout profanities in e-speak. get rekt bruh! LOL....hilarious!

That's not what I was saying at all, I was making fun of someone suggesting that solo players get someone else to target them as a response to my criticisms. I know what I signed up for when I play solo, what I was saying was that is a terrible solution.

The point here is about BALANCE, which seems to be a hard concept for some people to grasp.

I've never seen any class defended by White Knights as much as Templar.

You keep capitalizing that word, as if to stress that your ideas of what constitutes balance is somehow more valid than other peoples.

And you clearly don't pay attention. Nobody and no class likes nerfs and all players rush to these forums to present subjective arguments to ZoS and the community why their strongest features are necessary to compete.

So you think there are a ton of templars rewarded by bad game mechanics? I hate to see what you think are "good" mechanics. There are a ton of templars running around because ZoS's PvP is full of terrible mechanics. You want to talk about reward for terrible mechanics? Take a look at over half the people running around with same 2H Shuffle-hoT stacking-insta burst/stun-gapcloser spam-dodge monkey build that combines everything a PvPer needs and wants while sacrificing nothing. It's a joke. Templar is the only magicka spec that can come close to replicating that and even then it still requires going vampire, which has drawbacks. White Knight my ass. Why don't you take a look around and pay attention to the ridiculous non-templar builds that have it all: damage, self-heals, and damage avoidance.

You choose to run a suboptimal spec (mag sorc) and you are complaining you can't kill a tank, who in your own words hits like a wet noodle and couldn't even take down a shield (now if you want to talk the king of cheese mechanics rewarding bad play, there you go, but I'm guessing you aren't keen on mentioning that are you?), by yourself. You're just another DPS who thinks the extent of tanking in ESO means that it should take you, by yourself, 10 seconds to get a kill instead of 6. If you think "BALANCE" is that a DPS (by themself), who can shield stack like crazy should be able to take down a dedicated tank who can't even scratch your healthbar, then you really ought to stop capitalizing that word because you either do not know what it means or are so biased that your perception of the word is completely different than most people's.

So just because I have problems with Magplar means I don't think there's a Stam problem? There are a lot of bad mechanics outside of Magplars, that's not the point. But if Magplar isn't overpowered, why does ZOS remove videos of them overperforming?

You yourself admit that Magplar is the best Mag class, that there is a magicka-stamina divide, and that Mag Sorc is "suboptimal," and then want to lecture me about use of the term "balance"? You just made my argument for me.

I run Mag Sorc because I've been doing so since Beta, and I complain about many cheesy Stam crap in this game as well. I also play Magicka Sorc BECAUSE of those cheesy mechanics; I could easily just jump on my Stam NB or DK and chase the meta, but the last thing this game needs is more players chasing the FOTM. Even if I do hop on those classes, my perspective is always from a Mag Sorc main.

So my shields have been nerfed, my streak has been nerfed, my surge has been nerfed, my proxy has been nerfed, and you think you have any grounds to lecture me about balance? Please.

Joy_Division wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

MoeCoastie wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

MoeCoastie wrote: »

i like the build, I like the purpose of the build, I play my Templar very similar so I guess Im bias....or old school. whatever you wanna call it.

As far as people claiming they cant burst down someone being healed by a templar like this:

this is a team game, ASSIST!

So, in other words: Go screw yourself solo players.

There lies your problem. Your approach to this game is all wrong. Had you been playing Streetfighter, you'd be justified in your logic. Unfortunately, youre playing a multiplayer game.

Which brings me to a gripe of mine. In every MMO ive played Ive dabbled in solo play. Ive NEVER seen a solo-community complain and *** as much as Ive seen in this game. The culture is sickening. Players willfully choose to play solo which essentially is hard-mode and they complain like they were forced to do it! They choose hard-mode in an MMO and campaign to make solo play easier! That is the type of PvP I'd rather not see. If I enjoyed that type of PvP i'd visit my local arcade and challange some 4 year old to a game of streetfighter while I spout profanities in e-speak. get rekt bruh! LOL....hilarious!

That's not what I was saying at all, I was making fun of someone suggesting that solo players get someone else to target them as a response to my criticisms. I know what I signed up for when I play solo, what I was saying was that is a terrible solution.

The point here is about BALANCE, which seems to be a hard concept for some people to grasp.

I've never seen any class defended by White Knights as much as Templar.

You keep capitalizing that word, as if to stress that your ideas of what constitutes balance is somehow more valid than other peoples.

And you clearly don't pay attention. Nobody and no class likes nerfs and all players rush to these forums to present subjective arguments to ZoS and the community why their strongest features are necessary to compete.

So you think there are a ton of templars rewarded by bad game mechanics? I hate to see what you think are "good" mechanics. There are a ton of templars running around because ZoS's PvP is full of terrible mechanics. You want to talk about reward for terrible mechanics? Take a look at over half the people running around with same 2H Shuffle-hoT stacking-insta burst/stun-gapcloser spam-dodge monkey build that combines everything a PvPer needs and wants while sacrificing nothing. It's a joke. Templar is the only magicka spec that can come close to replicating that and even then it still requires going vampire, which has drawbacks. White Knight my ass. Why don't you take a look around and pay attention to the ridiculous non-templar builds that have it all: damage, self-heals, and damage avoidance.

You choose to run a suboptimal spec (mag sorc) and you are complaining you can't kill a tank, who in your own words hits like a wet noodle and couldn't even take down a shield (now if you want to talk the king of cheese mechanics rewarding bad play, there you go, but I'm guessing you aren't keen on mentioning that are you?), by yourself. You're just another DPS who thinks the extent of tanking in ESO means that it should take you, by yourself, 10 seconds to get a kill instead of 6. If you think "BALANCE" is that a DPS (by themself), who can shield stack like crazy should be able to take down a dedicated tank who can't even scratch your healthbar, then you really ought to stop capitalizing that word because you either do not know what it means or are so biased that your perception of the word is completely different than most people's.

So just because I have problems with Magplar means I don't think there's a Stam problem? There are a lot of bad mechanics outside of Magplars, that's not the point. But if Magplar isn't overpowered, why does ZOS remove videos of them overperforming?

You yourself admit that Magplar is the best Mag class, that there is a magicka-stamina divide, and that Mag Sorc is "suboptimal," and then want to lecture me about use of the term "balance"? You just made my argument for me.

I run Mag Sorc because I've been doing so since Beta, and I complain about many cheesy Stam crap in this game as well. I also play Magicka Sorc BECAUSE of those cheesy mechanics; I could easily just jump on my Stam NB or DK and chase the meta, but the last thing this game needs is more players chasing the FOTM. Even if I do hop on those classes, my perspective is always from a Mag Sorc main.

So my shields have been nerfed, my streak has been nerfed, my surge has been nerfed, my proxy has been nerfed, and you think you have any grounds to lecture me about balance? Please.

Zos removes videos of Mageplars "overperforming" because I am guessing those videos violate the Terms of Service agreement, I know a number got removed because of players swearing and I think some got removed because of baiting during the RD arguments. Not because there is a ZOS conspiracy to hide good templar play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ethSqihXMVQ

I did not make your argument for you. Unlike you, I did not ignore context by cherry picking one problem and whine that ZoS ought to remove that one issue you have (which would worsen the balance problem by making so all magicka builds are suboptimal). And unlike you, my premise for balance is not based on a dubious notion that a DPS with high damage avoidance/mitigation by himself ought to be able to kill a tank that can not even scratch the DPS's healthbar.

And if you think there is a ZOS conspiracy to hide over-performing templars by removing videos, or that shield stacking sorc should be able to kill a tank that is zero offensive threat, then I do think your perception of "BALANCE" is highly questionable.

Yes, your perspective is always from a Mag Sorc main. A DPS Mag Sorc main to be specific. That's not being objective. It's not "your" proxy, you know. Stuff is out of balance, but the ideal way to approach that problem is not to examine from a one particular point of view. Don't cry to me that your Mag sorc was nerfed. Unlike you, I look beyond my main character, regarding balance. I have vigorously and meticulously argued to ZoS that the change to surge was bad aside from consistently arguing their pet concept is utterly impractical, the sorc toolkit is so narrow that it leads to a cookie-cutter play style, and the class has too many poor skills/bad morphs.

My biggest problem with your position is that you feel that just because you are a solo DPS, that means somehow that you ought to be able to kill any build you meet out in the open world. If a tank, and I don't care what class or spec it is, can't survive against one DPS, then the concept of tanking is invalidated. It's not a "cancer" that a tank with no DPS doesn't die to a single player. Tanks have a legitimate role in this game and if anything, I'd argue that role is not nearly effective enough. Sure they don't die, but that's all they pretty much are capable of doing. That you can't simply avoid them and insist on banging your head against the wall trying to kill them is puzzling. That you think you ought to be able to kill them when they are utterly incapable of doing the same to you is mind-blowing.