Crafting bag

I've got about a month left on my membership, so we'll see how it goes in the end. I really don't like the design philosophy, so yeah, I voted with my wallet. Nothing else to it.

Canceled already, have gone from playing 3-4 hours daily to logging in twice in the past 2weeks totalling 15minutes. I'm so sick of the lies and greed being shown by the Z$S devs. I was happy paying for eso+ and purchasing the occasional crown pack to purchase items I wanted but apparently this was not enough so now i must pay for a CHANCE to get items I want and be all but guaranteed to recieve crap i never wanted. No thank you.

Derra wrote: »

I honestly have no idea why people have such a big problem with crowncrates ._.

I have a big problem with unethical behavior. I refuse to give my money to a company that engages in exploitative practices. Lottery boxes don't have to be exploitative. Without serious changes, though, the crown crates are terribly exploitative. I wouldn't work for a company whose business model involves scamming their customers, and I damn sure won't support a company like that financially.

CasNation wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Doesn't affect me or anyone I've talked to. Not exactly sure how this crate is different than say, selling skins seasonally and taking them off the store. Limited time sales aren't along the same lines of "Buy, buy, buy! Quickly!"? Cause to me they are, and I don't QQ about either.

If you paid 4k crowns without a second thought for an in game mount that looks like a spray painted nyan cat, it might be reasonable to not discuss crown crates.

The difference is that you know that spray painted cat costs 4k crowns. You can make an educated decision on whether to buy it based on your own knowledge of your finances and how much personal value you will get out of it.

On the other hand, if I want the storm atro senche (and I kinda do), I cant make an educated decision on whether it is worth it for me to purchase it, because I don't know how much it will cost. But you can bet your bonnet it is going to likely be way more than 4k crowns in the end. Not to mention even if I get lucky and recieve an apex reward, it might not be the one I want. What if I get the bear? I hate the bloody bears, but since it is all chance, too bad.

Do you see the difference? In one system, the consumer has the power to make informed choices. In the other, the seller takes that power away.

Well said

Get real!

The crates were kind of the last straw for me. You can read the link in my signature for full reasoning on those.

Another big strike against ZOS is their treatment of guilds over the last year.

• Failing to stop bid spying on guild traders
• Having the kiosk bid flip at 4 AM for EU
• Overlapping kiosk bid flips with maintenance for NA
• Placing kiosks in new DLC in terrible locations
• Only having 1 kiosk per outlaw refuge so as to make the loading screen not worth it for buyers
• Zero improvements to the terrible guild store search tools.

And the final reason for not re-subbing is that I don't really need the perks anymore. I used to have 4 subs on all my main and alt/testing accounts, both for the crowns and for the inspiration bonus while I leveled crafting. However, my hirelings are all max level now; and I already have the mounts I want, so I have no use for crowns, other than DLC, which has been meh lately.

The craft bag is glorious of course, but I have both assistants now. I can use the bank for mats and sell off trash to the merchant as I quest. I have alts I can use for gear mules.

I mainly kept re-subbing out of support for the game, not for the perks. If ZOS makes me happy, I like to support them.

However, their business priorities have not been making me happy lately, so I won't support them. It's that simple.

Not going to be cancelling but i'm defiantly not going to buy the crown crates unless they're changed drastically

I plan to cancel my subscription due to One Tamriel being boring and Housing being a cash grab with no real other purpose.

jaburns wrote: »

Of course I'm not unsubbing.

So, you'll give up your awesome craft bag, your subscription crowns, your extra XP, and your access to all DLC in protest to something that you DON'T HAVE TO BUY an has NO IMPACT to your actual gaming experience?

Go ahead. You'll stick it to "The Man".

Some people have lines they simply won't cross. I'm not thinking about unsubbing so that I can "stick it to the man," I'm thinking about unsubbing because I want my money to go to companies that deal fairly and honestly with their customers. ZOS will not be the first company I've abandoned because I disagree with how they choose to do business and certainly won't be the last.

If you don't have any ethical disagreements with how the crown crates work then good for you, but don't mock people for having their own convictions.

How about I just don't buy the crates and still keep my crafting bags and support the game.

MadLarkin wrote: »

I hadn't subbed because I was new to ESO. But my wife and I were going to buy the DLC bundle and I was considering subbing for the first time in 25 years of gaming. Not anymore.

I am currently a subscriber on PC. Not because of Crown Crates, but I was planning on subscribing on PS4 now that they have the 6 month option. I wanted to see how they implemented One Tamriel before doing it. With that, plus how they implemented Crown Crates, I see no reason to subscribe on PS4. It is not because of the Crown Crates and the whole gamble box thing, for me. It is all about where I think the game is going based on how shiny they made Crown Crates, compared to the rest of the game.

One Tamriel is nice, but it is something that should have been in the game on Day 1. It is not compelling 30 months later. It narrows the game and feels incomplete.

I expect Housing will be implemented exactly how Bethesda Marketing wants it to be developed so that it leverages the shiny new Crown Crates.

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Of course I'm not unsubbing.

So, you'll give up your awesome craft bag, your subscription crowns, your extra XP, and your access to all DLC in protest to something that you DON'T HAVE TO BUY an has NO IMPACT to your actual gaming experience?

Go ahead. You'll stick it to "The Man".

Some people have lines they simply won't cross. I'm not thinking about unsubbing so that I can "stick it to the man," I'm thinking about unsubbing because I want my money to go to companies that deal fairly and honestly with their customers. ZOS will not be the first company I've abandoned because I disagree with how they choose to do business and certainly won't be the last.

If you don't have any ethical disagreements with how the crown crates work then good for you, but don't mock people for having their own convictions.

I'll mock whomever I want. It's the American way! The ridiculous thing is that people will cancel a leisure service in protest of a leisure within it. So, go ahead... protest something that you don't have to pay for to a company that has to make money to improve content.

Are you reading the posts you are replying to or just YOLOing on your keyboard? I'm not protesting anything, I'm choosing where to spend my money based on how companies behave toward their customers. That's like trying to insinuate that I protest bananas because I don't like how they taste. It's not a protest, it's a simple decision.

CasNation wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Doesn't affect me or anyone I've talked to. Not exactly sure how this crate is different than say, selling skins seasonally and taking them off the store. Limited time sales aren't along the same lines of "Buy, buy, buy! Quickly!"? Cause to me they are, and I don't QQ about either.

If you paid 4k crowns without a second thought for an in game mount that looks like a spray painted nyan cat, it might be reasonable to not discuss crown crates.

The difference is that you know that spray painted cat costs 4k crowns. You can make an educated decision on whether to buy it based on your own knowledge of your finances and how much personal value you will get out of it.

On the other hand, if I want the storm atro senche (and I kinda do), I cant make an educated decision on whether it is worth it for me to purchase it, because I don't know how much it will cost. But you can bet your bonnet it is going to likely be way more than 4k crowns in the end. Not to mention even if I get lucky and recieve an apex reward, it might not be the one I want. What if I get the bear? I hate the bloody bears, but since it is all chance, too bad.

Do you see the difference? In one system, the consumer has the power to make informed choices. In the other, the seller takes that power away.

But you ARE making an informed decision. You know that you have a small chance of getting what you want, you know what you want, and you know the loot table. No different than say, trying to get a Sharpened maelstrom staff. You only need know how much your time/$/£/whatever is worth to you.

I guess it's cause I have no desire for the crates, but it is just baffling that people want to invoke others' concerns and rights. I don't want them, I won't buy them. It isn't nearly close to worth tossing my sub away and losing access to crafting bags, the DLCs, and costume dying. Not on the grounds of "someone else might get hurt". Way too subjective and removed from me and my experience.

I will subscribe for as long as the game holds my interest and manages to remain interesting to a lot of players. I PVP and that would be pointless if Cyrodiil became deserted.