Poll: Have you cancelled ESO+ because of Crown Crates

Hymzir

Other (explain below).

I cancelled my sub a long time a go, and these days only renew it sporadically for a month at a time when I feel like going questing - because of crafting bags. I've been here on and off ever since the latter days of beta, and had really high hopes for the game. But ZOS has lost my faith in them, and at this point I do not realistically believe that they will ever regain it.

For all their talk about creating a non-traditional MMORPG, they've produced just another grind fest with ***-tons of RNG and a theme park world full of meaningless rides. Every town is the same: bunch of helpless *** waiting for the "hero" who comes riding though their town, so that they can saddle him with all their troubles while they mull about doing jack squat. And once you've saved their bacon, which invariably means killing bunch of somethings, they do their little quest end scene and then the ride is over, and that's it. Nothing ever happens at that town after said event. The only positive thing I can say is that at least there is a lot of it to go through

In fact, despite me having been here since the early access, running around with more than 600CP, I've not finished Caldwell's Gold yet. Still have most of the two last zones to clear, as well as most of Craglorn. I did drudge though Wrothgar when it was released, and did do most of the things doable in IC, but I never bothered with DB or thieves guild since I do not really enjoy playing a baddie.

Thus nearly all of my time playing this game is spent PVP:ing, and on that front, ZOS has made it fairly clear that it's not a priority thing for them. Most of the "new content" they release is of marginal interest to me. I do not enjoy running through the same dungeon time after time, I do not enjoy repeating the same crap in hopes of RNGesus blessing me with the bit of gear I actually want.

Thus I stopped subbing to the game. Nor have I ever purchased Crowns from their store either. In fact I have bough grand total of 3 things from the Crown store: a costume to hide the hideous mismatch of styles that monster gear and dropped sets are, a dandy hat that nicely disguised a monster helm I was wearing at that time, and the personality pack with the furious personality to show of how angry I constantly am.

Everything else in the store is either useless junk or horridly over price nonsense aimed straight at the whales (and a lot of it also pushes the esthetics of the game away from what I would expect from Elder Scrolls lore, so there is that too...) In fact I am sitting on nearly 10k of crowns and doubt I'll use them for anything at all. Except maybe buy the DLC value pack or something. There are stuff there that I'd be interested in having, but not for the prices they are asking. The only thing that I might end up paying premium prices is the Alliance Warhorse, since that looks cool.

So the long and rambling gist of my tale is that while I detest the crates, they will not affect my subbing behavior in any way. I will most likely sub for a month when witches festival starts - crafting bags are just so convenient to have when you are running around the quest zones.I'll also most likely sub for another month when that New Life festival hits live. And while those subs hold I'll whittle away at finishing Caldwell's gold too. Without crafting bags, I doubt I'd ever give ZOS any money at all.

As for the crown crates - yeah I might buy a few of them - if I get something cool, then cool, but I will not try to chase anything they offer. It's not like I have any real use for the Crowns I get from my sporadic subbing and have more than enough to buy the DLC bundle when it releases, and no doubt will have more than enough saved to buy the next DLC bundle when and if it drops.

The sad truth is that this game, just like most of the others, base their finances on milking whales. Everything in the Crowns store is grossly overpriced, and the way these crates are set up, it's clear that they are going after the compulsive collector with lots of disposable income.

Derra

No, I won't be cancelling.

JimT722 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

Ilmarthethief wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I honestly have no idea why people have such a big problem with crowncrates ._.

Have you played a game with rng crates? I have played many. Production of dlc becomes non existent, new items that are desired end up in the crates, and future content (housing in SWTOR as an example) is not enjoyable because of the crates.

Not to mention it is a disrespectful practice to rip off their customers. it might be a crazy concept for some, but people would rather purchase things with a fixed price.

Damn, when " Production of dlc becomes non existent, new items that are desired end up in the crates, and future content (housing in SWTOR as an example) is not enjoyable because of the crates" will happen I will quit this game too.
Unless it happened - I'm fine with crates.
How happened you are still alive - we all gonna die, so why bother waiting for imminent end? And it ALWAYS ends like this, no exceptions...
Stop whining.

I get it. You don't think these are bad. From my experience in other games they will ruin my fun. I will just move on. Thanks for your very informative input. Enjoy your crates.

ZOS is doing the same thing many MMO's have done, so why are you acting like I'm crazy for comparing them. You aren't giving any useful input on how these are a good thing. Constructive criticism of someone's position is helpful, personal attack aren't.

What i don´t get is: Why is the aquisition a problem for you under the presupposition that the content you desire most likely would not exist through direct purchase at all - because it would not be profitable to create it.

Would you rather have the items not exist at all than having them subsidized with the crates as a buisness model?

Many of these items have existed for quite some time. They just never put them on the store. I also don't think these are being introduced because they are desperate for money. Instead they are observing how much money other MMO's have made by throwing exclusives in rng crates. The gaming industry has been using these more frequently and likely for a reason. Greed. i am not willing to pay hundreds for one hairstyle and body marking they made over 3 months ago. I would however pay $10 each.

This system is not one of desperation but greed.

How would you know if they were not created months ago in preparation for the crates? And even if they were not - how would you like to fund further creation of lore/roleplay/vanity items?

Ofc a working and successful buisness model gets adapted. You know why they don´t put it in the store for 10$ each? Because it would get an outcry and possibly even bad press if ZOS were to charge the equivalent of 10 dollars for a hairstyle or body marking.
Also they would probably not sell too many of those.

It´s nice that you personally would buy those. But most people would not - while on the other hand you might not buy crates (or will anyway) while a lot more people might be inclined to buy a cheaper crate with multiple possible items to draw from.

I simply think it´s not cost-efficient to list every item seperately only to have very specific players buy specific items.



Also thanks for not answering my question at all. :P

Acharnor

No, I won't be cancelling.

I think in there current incarnation they are pretty much crap but I was not going to buy them anyway. There existence however in this incarnation or an improved state has no bearing on me, my gameplay etc and therefore has zero impact on any decision I might make about maintaining a sub.
Cheers

redspecter23

No, I won't be cancelling.

As bad as the crates are, they haven't crossed the line into pay to win territory in my opinion yet. They are a complete scam that makes the company look horrible, but for the time being I'll assume there is some marketing troll cracking the whip on the poor devs responsible for the abominable system and they are just doing their job and hate every second of it. I can't blame them for it, but perhaps with enough outcry we can get the higher ups to see the marketing troll for the beast that is destroying the reputation of the Elder Scrolls name.

JimT722

Yes, I have cancelled my ESO+ subscription because of the crown crates.

Derra wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

Ilmarthethief wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I honestly have no idea why people have such a big problem with crowncrates ._.

Have you played a game with rng crates? I have played many. Production of dlc becomes non existent, new items that are desired end up in the crates, and future content (housing in SWTOR as an example) is not enjoyable because of the crates.

Not to mention it is a disrespectful practice to rip off their customers. it might be a crazy concept for some, but people would rather purchase things with a fixed price.

Damn, when " Production of dlc becomes non existent, new items that are desired end up in the crates, and future content (housing in SWTOR as an example) is not enjoyable because of the crates" will happen I will quit this game too.
Unless it happened - I'm fine with crates.
How happened you are still alive - we all gonna die, so why bother waiting for imminent end? And it ALWAYS ends like this, no exceptions...
Stop whining.

I get it. You don't think these are bad. From my experience in other games they will ruin my fun. I will just move on. Thanks for your very informative input. Enjoy your crates.

ZOS is doing the same thing many MMO's have done, so why are you acting like I'm crazy for comparing them. You aren't giving any useful input on how these are a good thing. Constructive criticism of someone's position is helpful, personal attack aren't.

What i don´t get is: Why is the aquisition a problem for you under the presupposition that the content you desire most likely would not exist through direct purchase at all - because it would not be profitable to create it.

Would you rather have the items not exist at all than having them subsidized with the crates as a buisness model?

Many of these items have existed for quite some time. They just never put them on the store. I also don't think these are being introduced because they are desperate for money. Instead they are observing how much money other MMO's have made by throwing exclusives in rng crates. The gaming industry has been using these more frequently and likely for a reason. Greed. i am not willing to pay hundreds for one hairstyle and body marking they made over 3 months ago. I would however pay $10 each.

This system is not one of desperation but greed.

How would you know if they were not created months ago in preparation for the crates? And even if they were not - how would you like to fund further creation of lore/roleplay/vanity items?

Ofc a working and successful buisness model gets adapted. You know why they don´t put it in the store for 10$ each? Because it would get an outcry and possibly even bad press if ZOS were to charge the equivalent of 10 dollars for a hairstyle or body marking.
Also they would probably not sell too many of those.

It´s nice that you personally would buy those. But most people would not - while on the other hand you might not buy crates (or will anyway) while a lot more people might be inclined to buy a cheaper crate with multiple possible items to draw from.

I simply think it´s not cost-efficient to list every item seperately only to have very specific players buy specific items.



Also thanks for not answering my question at all. :P

Sorry. Yes I would rather they didn't exist at all. To me they might as well not. IRL I am a craftsman. I take pride in my work and deliver a quality product for a price that makes sense. Never in my industry could my company pull something like this and retain a customer. Reputation is everything.

400 crowns is about 4$. If you're after 2 items 1000 crowns each is much better. It's a quantifiable price at least. It's how they had been doing business and no outcry until they added rng.

JKorr

Brrrofski wrote: »

People do realise crates are optional right? They only contains mounts, pets and hats so have no bearng on the game.

Strange reason to stop eso plus or outright quit like some people are saying.

I probably won't buy any though.

Mounts, pets, and hats....You didn't look at the stuff in the crates, did you. There are experience scrolls/food/potions that are better than crafters can make. Instead of nerfing the crate stuff, they are apparently going to make it even better, so people stop saying its crap. And it looks like they're planning to try to distract people from the new improved better than crafters can make rngesus crate stuff by adding more recipes so crafters might be able to make slightly better stuff, so good luck grinding for them, whether quests, trials, or super rare drops from one basket/bag in a faction... or requires an ingredient like Superb Perfect Roe that drops from a gold plated fish once a month or something.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3384769/#Comment_3384769


Hi everyone, here’s where we are with Crown Crates:

We put systems on the PTS for player feedback for a reason – we have sifted (and continue to analyze) your feedback on Crown Crates, and as such, we’re going to make at least the following changes to the system before it goes live later this year:

We are working to change the way the system works to ensure that you get higher tiered items more often.
We will allow you to convert unwanted Crown Crate consumables into Crown Gems. This way, you won’t be stuck with consumables you may not want, and you will also have more Gems to purchase the items that you do want.
We will also take another look at Crown Crate potions, food, XP scrolls, etc. with an eye towards boosting their effectiveness and/or duration. This may entail us adding new recipes to allow crafters to make similar items.

We may well find other changes we want to make as well, and will let everyone know what we have done when this initial round of changes are in and can test them internally.

Carbonised

Other (explain below).

I canceled my sub a while back for several reasons

- Huge imbalance issues. I'm a MagDK with a destro staff and light armor, which is x 3 craptastic. Nuff said. Destro and resto ult makes me glad I stay unsubbed

- The impossibility of dressing up your character the way you like to, due to the incomprehensible combination of dropped sets in fixed styles, monster masks and no appearance changing possible whatsoever (might be the hugest reason for me to unsub)

- The huge amount of time and effort they put into their crown store, crown crates and other real money milking business. At the detriment of shaping up their main game, which is still brimming with bugs, issues and generally being quite boring

- Animation Canceling. This game should really come with a black box warning about this. Yes, I can AC, no, I don't want to AC and look like I'm having epileptical seizures. The whole AC mechanism is ***. Just try pitching the concept to an imaginary game developer.

- DLCs becoming less interesting. IC was nice, Orsinium was nice, Thief Guild was sorta small and little content after the questline. DB was small and little content after questline. Hist was two dungeons I'll never use and no new land. And no DLC after this due to One Tam. I think we can kiss any Vvardenfell bye bye for a long time.

- Very little to do end game. Since ZOS refuses to add anything good for magicka DPS, I have nothing to grind for, since crafted sets pretty much aren't in demand except the odd TBS set here and there, I have nothing to do as a master crafter, despite having all motifs learned and pretty much all traits. Other than doing my daily writs to the point where it's mind numbingly boring, there's nothing to do. Farm materials, sell materials, profit and have nothing to use the coin for. I've pretty much gotten all the achievements in the game that's possible for mere mortals (not gonna bother with vet Hist dungeons and vet trials, no thank you). Done a lot of PvP, but a combination of cheesy mechanics (low pop bonus), cheesy PvP builds and a godawful lag so bad it shouldn't even be allowed, PvP doesn't really hold much interest for me either.

So yeah, I've been here less than a year now, but I'm pretty much done with the game as it is. Time to play some Fallout and Skyrim instead.

Bryanonymous

I use time cards.

Mady

No, I won't be cancelling.

But still.... f*** these crates.

Alucardo

No, I won't be cancelling.

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Can't live without Crafting Bags.

Once you've tasted the crafting bag it's so hard to let go

Erasure

Other (explain below).

Having seen what this kind of gambling feature can do in other games, it doesn't encourage subscription maintenance. I can't recommend subbing to other players in good conscience. I play (and enjoy, gasp) too much dlc content to swing unsubbing though, so... I'm not sure how I'm supposed to justify that to myself. Imagine I'm paying Finn's team and not the crown hounds or the support obfuscation team?

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Not yet, but I will cancel in protest of the crown crates.

I'm saving my cancellation for when the Crates actually hit, to make the message clearer to marketing or whoever happens to be in charge of driving the Crate mess. I also plan on taking a week-long vacation from ESO at that time.

I'll miss the Crafting Bags (so useful!) but I survived since early access without them, I'll manage again. I have enough Crowns saved up to keep me in DLC for at least a little while without having to buy more, especially if the DLCs continue to be lacking.

Alucardo

No, I won't be cancelling.

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I'm saving my cancellation for when the Crates actually hit, to make the message clearer to marketing or whoever happens to be in charge of driving the Crate mess. I also plan on taking a week-long vacation from ESO at that time.

I'll miss the Crafting Bags (so useful!) but I survived since early access without them, I'll manage again. I have enough Crowns saved up to keep me in DLC for at least a little while without having to buy more, especially if the DLCs continue to be lacking.

Haha, you will see soon enough. I cancelled my sub a while ago, realised the mats started filling up my inventory and I had to bank them for my crafter, then resubbed so I could get that beautiful universal, unlimited crafting bag back again.

Birdovic

Poll: Have you cancelled ESO+ because of Crown Crates

Yes! I subbed and unsubbed 3 times! HA!
That will show em'!

Kas

No, I won't be cancelling.

lol no, don't care about crowns/cosmetics anyway. why would i care about crates?

Danikat

Other (explain below).

Derra wrote: »

I simply think it´s not cost-efficient to list every item seperately only to have very specific players buy specific items.

The vast majority of the cost for a digital item is the time it takes the designer to create it. It costs very little to keep it in the store for purchase. In fact initially the crown crates will cost a lot more because they require a whole new UI, a set of animations, voice acting etc. and a whole new currency which needs to be planned out, on top of the cost of designing the items.

But more importantly would you apply the same logic to any other kind of business? Is it inefficient for a clothing company to sell their products individually, leading to most customers only buying a few specific items each time they come in, and maybe the occasional "whale" buying a whole new wardrobe each season?

Would it be better if they started bundling their clothes into random grab-bags so you have to buy 5 items every time you go in and have no idea what you're getting?

Ok now they're selling at least 5 items to each customer instead of 1 or 2. And maybe some customers will come back and buy another bag because they didn't want the items they wanted in the first one. But most likely the vast majority of their customers would go to another store where they can choose the items they want.

Admittedly clothing is a bit different to in-game items because people tend to be more selective about their clothing than virtual items and because there are many different stores where you can buy clothing but only one place you can buy items for ESO. But I think the analogy still works. If your customers aren't buying as many things as you'd like them to forcing them to buy stuff they don't want in the hope they'll get what they do is not a good solution.

Cously

No, I won't be cancelling.

I'm against Crown Crates. I'm for the game development. I will vote with my wallet by not buying a single crate but I won't stop supporting the game development with my subscription.

Slurg

Other (explain below).

Cancelling subs as a protest move has never been effective in the past; I don't see any reason it will work now.

Pay them, don't pay them, they don't care, the new players who buy their crates will give them a lot more money than your measly $15/month.

ZombieZig

Other (explain below).

I stopped subbing a long time ago~ I imagine ill be gone when One Tamriel comes out. So many reasons beyond Crown Crates. No you cant have my stuff when i leave.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Not yet, but I will cancel in protest of the crown crates.

Slurg wrote: »

Cancelling subs as a protest move has never been effective in the past; I don't see any reason it will work now.

Pay them, don't pay them, they don't care, the new players who buy their crates will give them a lot more money than your measly $15/month.

I view it rather the same way I view releasing Mannimarco - sure, I know intellectually that someone will do it sooner or later. But that doesn't mean the someone has to be me.

Asardes

Other (explain below).

Still haven't found any reason to get ESO+ in the first place. I can manage my inventory just fine without the craft bag, hardly need the +10% XP bonus, have almost finished research on traits and I really see no value in accessing DB & TG (apart from MoL). In any case: first 4 DLC = 5.5K crowns < 4 months of ESO+ and SotH = 1 month of ESO+ so buying it for DLC access doesn't make sense for me. I don't give a hoot about the cosmetic features and won't pay for pets, costumes (dyed or otherwise) or mounts. I can do just fine with what I unlocked for in game. So crates have 0 value for me anyway

Khenarthi

No, I won't be cancelling.

I only cancelled my subscription when upper Craglorn came out, because it was the second group content released with nothing for solo so I lost the will to play. Apparently my opinion was not unique, since after that we did not see any other adventure zones. I came back later and resubscribed when more content to my liking was released.

For now I still enjoy the game and my ESO+ perks, specially costume dyes, crafting bag, and access to DLC. So I will not unsubscribe because of the gambling crates, I will simply not spend crowns on them.

Milvan

No, I won't be cancelling.

The game has like over 100 really game breaking issues, and people are hating on those box. I MEAN THOSE BOXES, they don't even affect gameplay at all, they optional, you don't have to buy them, you know?

Btw, you know what? Now I can understand Molag Bal, if I was a demiprince of other plane I would totally want to destroy Nirn too in order to get rid of you guys.

JimT722

Yes, I have cancelled my ESO+ subscription because of the crown crates.

Milvan wrote: »

The game has like over 100 really game breaking issues, and people are hating on those box. I MEAN THOSE BOXES, they don't even affect gameplay at all, they optional, you don't have to buy them, you know?

Btw, you know what? Now I can understand Molag Bal, if I was a demiprince of other plane I would totally want to destroy Nirn too in order to get rid of you guys.

It doesn't affect your gameplay. Not everyone plays for the same reasons you do.

Birdovic

JimT722 wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

The game has like over 100 really game breaking issues, and people are hating on those box. I MEAN THOSE BOXES, they don't even affect gameplay at all, they optional, you don't have to buy them, you know?

Btw, you know what? Now I can understand Molag Bal, if I was a demiprince of other plane I would totally want to destroy Nirn too in order to get rid of you guys.

It doesn't affect your gameplay. Not everyone plays for the same reasons you do.

Nor does it affect your gameplay (except you shoot your crowns into the wind and end up riding a Atronach Guar, yay).

But the thing people are afraid of (and panickingly start unnecessary threads like this one...is "panickingly" even a word?)
is that we are getting introduced to more and more Crown Store stuff.

And some day, who knows, we will see the introduction of Tempers/Item Sets/BiS Poisons or Potions purchaseable in the Crown Store.

Its a sure step into this direction, and who knows if we take another one.

Asardes

Other (explain below).

#JustAnotherWhineThread from #PeopleSeekingAttention

Milvan

No, I won't be cancelling.

JimT722 wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

The game has like over 100 really game breaking issues, and people are hating on those box. I MEAN THOSE BOXES, they don't even affect gameplay at all, they optional, you don't have to buy them, you know?

Btw, you know what? Now I can understand Molag Bal, if I was a demiprince of other plane I would totally want to destroy Nirn too in order to get rid of you guys.

It doesn't affect your gameplay. Not everyone plays for the same reasons you do.

I'm talking about THE GAMEPLAY, not your in-game experience or mine. What does that mean? It means that those boxes are purely and only cosmetics, they don't affect anything in term of game mechanics, not a single thing of it.

You don't like them, okay, whatever, but hating on them like you guys are doing? IMHO, hating on something that is purely cosmetical, optional, and have no effect on the game mechanics is, at least, peculiar.

Preyfar

Not yet, but I will cancel in protest of the crown crates.

I'll only cancel if they don't fix the drop rates. I know they said they are, but we'll have to see the final product. So I'm more of a tentative.

JimT722

Yes, I have cancelled my ESO+ subscription because of the crown crates.

Milvan wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

The game has like over 100 really game breaking issues, and people are hating on those box. I MEAN THOSE BOXES, they don't even affect gameplay at all, they optional, you don't have to buy them, you know?

Btw, you know what? Now I can understand Molag Bal, if I was a demiprince of other plane I would totally want to destroy Nirn too in order to get rid of you guys.

It doesn't affect your gameplay. Not everyone plays for the same reasons you do.

I'm talking about THE GAMEPLAY, not your in-game experience or mine. What does that mean? It means that those boxes are purely and only cosmetics, they don't affect anything in term of game mechanics, not a single thing of it.

You don't like them, okay, whatever, but hating on them like you guys are doing? IMHO, hating on something that is purely cosmetical, optional, and have no effect on the game mechanics is, at least, peculiar.

I started playing elder scrolls online for 2 reasons

1. I like elder scrolls
2. I came from games with rng cash grabs before and never wanted to play one again

Gameplay by definition can mean overall experience not just mechanics

If eso had these from the beginning i would have nothing to complain about. Introducing them 2.5 years later is another matter.

Soella

Not yet, but I will cancel in protest of the crown crates.

I don't gamble, so I won't buy crates.

I can happily live without pets or mounts, but if after adding housing some features/decorations for housing will be crate only I'll cancel subscription and stop playing ESO.