Poll: Have you cancelled ESO+ because of Crown Crates

wayfarerx

Other (explain below).

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Of course I'm not unsubbing.

So, you'll give up your awesome craft bag, your subscription crowns, your extra XP, and your access to all DLC in protest to something that you DON'T HAVE TO BUY an has NO IMPACT to your actual gaming experience?

Go ahead. You'll stick it to "The Man".

Some people have lines they simply won't cross. I'm not thinking about unsubbing so that I can "stick it to the man," I'm thinking about unsubbing because I want my money to go to companies that deal fairly and honestly with their customers. ZOS will not be the first company I've abandoned because I disagree with how they choose to do business and certainly won't be the last.

If you don't have any ethical disagreements with how the crown crates work then good for you, but don't mock people for having their own convictions.

I'll mock whomever I want. It's the American way! The ridiculous thing is that people will cancel a leisure service in protest of a leisure within it. So, go ahead... protest something that you don't have to pay for to a company that has to make money to improve content.

Are you reading the posts you are replying to or just YOLOing on your keyboard? I'm not protesting anything, I'm choosing where to spend my money based on how companies behave toward their customers. That's like trying to insinuate that I protest bananas because I don't like how they taste. It's not a protest, it's a simple decision.

If people (not just you) unsubscribe to ESO+ because they don't like crown crates... they're protesting. They're quite literally protesting crown crates. YOLO!!!

So let me get this straight, since I don't buy bananas because I don't like bananas, I'm protesting bananas. Okay, gotcha.

DocFrost72

No, I won't be cancelling.

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Of course I'm not unsubbing.

So, you'll give up your awesome craft bag, your subscription crowns, your extra XP, and your access to all DLC in protest to something that you DON'T HAVE TO BUY an has NO IMPACT to your actual gaming experience?

Go ahead. You'll stick it to "The Man".

Some people have lines they simply won't cross. I'm not thinking about unsubbing so that I can "stick it to the man," I'm thinking about unsubbing because I want my money to go to companies that deal fairly and honestly with their customers. ZOS will not be the first company I've abandoned because I disagree with how they choose to do business and certainly won't be the last.

If you don't have any ethical disagreements with how the crown crates work then good for you, but don't mock people for having their own convictions.

I'll mock whomever I want. It's the American way! The ridiculous thing is that people will cancel a leisure service in protest of a leisure within it. So, go ahead... protest something that you don't have to pay for to a company that has to make money to improve content.

Are you reading the posts you are replying to or just YOLOing on your keyboard? I'm not protesting anything, I'm choosing where to spend my money based on how companies behave toward their customers. That's like trying to insinuate that I protest bananas because I don't like how they taste. It's not a protest, it's a simple decision.

If people (not just you) unsubscribe to ESO+ because they don't like crown crates... they're protesting. They're quite literally protesting crown crates. YOLO!!!

So let me get this straight, since I don't buy bananas because I don't like bananas, I'm protesting bananas. Okay, gotcha.

No, but if you say "I think selling bananas is wrong, so I won't buy bananas" you are.

So, do you think craft bags are wrong, and is that the reason you are unsubbing? Two check marks means you're protesting.

Slurg

Other (explain below).

One of the poll options contains the actual words "cancel in protest of the crown crates". So it's not surprising if there might be some negative feedback due to that wording.

Personally I feel if the sub still has value for you after this change, then subscribe. If it doesn't, then don't. There's no shame in either option. But I've been around long enough to see that "protest" cancelations are not effective.

driosketch

Other (explain below).

Bowser wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I honestly have no idea why people have such a big problem with crowncrates ._.

I don't get it either. If you don't like the crown crates, then don't buy them.

I won't, but after a first look, it seems a lot of the new stuff coming is being stuffed into the gamble boxes. And there was no feedback if that level of exclusives is the new direction or not.

If that's the case, I'm going to buy less crowns because there would be less stuff I can buy directly. But the RNG crates are not meant for me. They for the whales, those with addictive personalities, and those racking up huge charges on someone else's card. If they turn out to be as toxic as I fear, I'm even prepared to cancel my sub.

And that's what sucks. Players like me are the ones spending money on the game. It appears they are willing to sacrifice customers for a short term cash grab.

wayfarerx

Other (explain below).

DocFrost72 wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Of course I'm not unsubbing.

So, you'll give up your awesome craft bag, your subscription crowns, your extra XP, and your access to all DLC in protest to something that you DON'T HAVE TO BUY an has NO IMPACT to your actual gaming experience?

Go ahead. You'll stick it to "The Man".

Some people have lines they simply won't cross. I'm not thinking about unsubbing so that I can "stick it to the man," I'm thinking about unsubbing because I want my money to go to companies that deal fairly and honestly with their customers. ZOS will not be the first company I've abandoned because I disagree with how they choose to do business and certainly won't be the last.

If you don't have any ethical disagreements with how the crown crates work then good for you, but don't mock people for having their own convictions.

I'll mock whomever I want. It's the American way! The ridiculous thing is that people will cancel a leisure service in protest of a leisure within it. So, go ahead... protest something that you don't have to pay for to a company that has to make money to improve content.

Are you reading the posts you are replying to or just YOLOing on your keyboard? I'm not protesting anything, I'm choosing where to spend my money based on how companies behave toward their customers. That's like trying to insinuate that I protest bananas because I don't like how they taste. It's not a protest, it's a simple decision.

If people (not just you) unsubscribe to ESO+ because they don't like crown crates... they're protesting. They're quite literally protesting crown crates. YOLO!!!

So let me get this straight, since I don't buy bananas because I don't like bananas, I'm protesting bananas. Okay, gotcha.

No, but if you say "I think selling bananas is wrong, so I won't buy bananas" you are.

So, do you think craft bags are wrong, and is that the reason you are unsubbing? Two check marks means you're protesting.

Well semantics arguments are fun and all, but I'm genuinely not trying to protest anything by canceling. I don't expect to change ZOS's behavior with my actions nor do I intend to. I will just choose to spend my money with companies that I think give me an honest deal.

Now, complaining about and maligning these things on the forums: that's protesting. Canceling my sub is the end-game if said protests on the forums fail to get the changes I'd like to see implemented.

AGrz5585

No, I won't be cancelling.

Why would I cancel my sub over crown crates? They do not affect my game play at all.

They hurt nothing

Savos_Saren

No, I won't be cancelling.

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UrQuan

Not yet, but I will cancel in protest of the crown crates.

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Of course I'm not unsubbing.

So, you'll give up your awesome craft bag, your subscription crowns, your extra XP, and your access to all DLC in protest to something that you DON'T HAVE TO BUY an has NO IMPACT to your actual gaming experience?

Go ahead. You'll stick it to "The Man".

Some people have lines they simply won't cross. I'm not thinking about unsubbing so that I can "stick it to the man," I'm thinking about unsubbing because I want my money to go to companies that deal fairly and honestly with their customers. ZOS will not be the first company I've abandoned because I disagree with how they choose to do business and certainly won't be the last.

If you don't have any ethical disagreements with how the crown crates work then good for you, but don't mock people for having their own convictions.

I'll mock whomever I want. It's the American way! The ridiculous thing is that people will cancel a leisure service in protest of a leisure within it. So, go ahead... protest something that you don't have to pay for to a company that has to make money to improve content.

Are you reading the posts you are replying to or just YOLOing on your keyboard? I'm not protesting anything, I'm choosing where to spend my money based on how companies behave toward their customers. That's like trying to insinuate that I protest bananas because I don't like how they taste. It's not a protest, it's a simple decision.

If people (not just you) unsubscribe to ESO+ because they don't like crown crates... they're protesting. They're quite literally protesting crown crates. YOLO!!!

No. We're deciding that we don't want to support a company that has exploitative practices, and we'd rather spend our money on a company that's interested in making their profits honestly. That's not a protest, that's an informed decision on where we'll spend our money based on the ethics of the company.

Unless I have no other choice, my money never goes to companies which I don't consider to be ethical. If I know that a company is doing the wrong thing, I won't buy their product. That's not a protest, it's a choice based on my personal beliefs. And unless ZOS makes sufficient changes to the crown crates to make them fair (and yes, they're still allowed to be profitable for ZOS - they're even allowed to make more off them than they do off regular crown store stuff), then I'll be making that choice with ESO.

Even though I've spent over $1500 on ESO since PC launch, I don't expect ZOS will notice the loss of income from me. I don't expect they'll care or change their minds. If they ask, I'll happily explain to them why they will no longer get my money, but my choice not to support this predatory practice is simply because I don't want to support a company that would do that. It's not a protest, it's choosing not to be a part of what they're becoming.

UrQuan

Not yet, but I will cancel in protest of the crown crates.

Slurg wrote: »

One of the poll options contains the actual words "cancel in protest of the crown crates". So it's not surprising if there might be some negative feedback due to that wording.

That's true, and I don't like the wording of the option - I picked the one that was closest to what I'm actually planning on doing. And even with that, it's not exactly what I'm planning on doing, because I'm planning on giving them a chance to make meaningful changes to the way crown crates operate. If they make sufficient changes to them that they are no longer predatory by the time they hit the live servers, then I'll maintain my sub.

Darlon

No, I won't be cancelling.

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Of course I'm not unsubbing.

So, you'll give up your awesome craft bag, your subscription crowns, your extra XP, and your access to all DLC in protest to something that you DON'T HAVE TO BUY an has NO IMPACT to your actual gaming experience?

Go ahead. You'll stick it to "The Man".

Some people have lines they simply won't cross. I'm not thinking about unsubbing so that I can "stick it to the man," I'm thinking about unsubbing because I want my money to go to companies that deal fairly and honestly with their customers. ZOS will not be the first company I've abandoned because I disagree with how they choose to do business and certainly won't be the last.

If you don't have any ethical disagreements with how the crown crates work then good for you, but don't mock people for having their own convictions.

I'll mock whomever I want. It's the American way! The ridiculous thing is that people will cancel a leisure service in protest of a leisure within it. So, go ahead... protest something that you don't have to pay for to a company that has to make money to improve content.

Are you reading the posts you are replying to or just YOLOing on your keyboard? I'm not protesting anything, I'm choosing where to spend my money based on how companies behave toward their customers. That's like trying to insinuate that I protest bananas because I don't like how they taste. It's not a protest, it's a simple decision.

If people (not just you) unsubscribe to ESO+ because they don't like crown crates... they're protesting. They're quite literally protesting crown crates. YOLO!!!

So let me get this straight, since I don't buy bananas because I don't like bananas, I'm protesting bananas. Okay, gotcha.

What you say makes no sense.. you're unsubbing from ESO+ because of crown crates... they're not related to each other...

So you don't stop buying bananas because you don't like their taste, you stop buying bananas because the store now suddenly also sells apples (which you don't like). It has nothing to do with the bananas

wayfarerx

Other (explain below).

Darlon wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Of course I'm not unsubbing.

So, you'll give up your awesome craft bag, your subscription crowns, your extra XP, and your access to all DLC in protest to something that you DON'T HAVE TO BUY an has NO IMPACT to your actual gaming experience?

Go ahead. You'll stick it to "The Man".

Some people have lines they simply won't cross. I'm not thinking about unsubbing so that I can "stick it to the man," I'm thinking about unsubbing because I want my money to go to companies that deal fairly and honestly with their customers. ZOS will not be the first company I've abandoned because I disagree with how they choose to do business and certainly won't be the last.

If you don't have any ethical disagreements with how the crown crates work then good for you, but don't mock people for having their own convictions.

I'll mock whomever I want. It's the American way! The ridiculous thing is that people will cancel a leisure service in protest of a leisure within it. So, go ahead... protest something that you don't have to pay for to a company that has to make money to improve content.

Are you reading the posts you are replying to or just YOLOing on your keyboard? I'm not protesting anything, I'm choosing where to spend my money based on how companies behave toward their customers. That's like trying to insinuate that I protest bananas because I don't like how they taste. It's not a protest, it's a simple decision.

If people (not just you) unsubscribe to ESO+ because they don't like crown crates... they're protesting. They're quite literally protesting crown crates. YOLO!!!

So let me get this straight, since I don't buy bananas because I don't like bananas, I'm protesting bananas. Okay, gotcha.

What you say makes no sense.. you're unsubbing from ESO+ because of crown crates... they're not related to each other...

So you don't stop buying bananas because you don't like their taste, you stop buying bananas because the store now suddenly also sells apples (which you don't like). It has nothing to do with the bananas

Analogies are never perfect, I'm just trying to get across that I'm not unsubbing as a protest. At the point I unsub I'm done protesting, I'm just walking away.

Savos_Saren

No, I won't be cancelling.

UrQuan wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Of course I'm not unsubbing.

So, you'll give up your awesome craft bag, your subscription crowns, your extra XP, and your access to all DLC in protest to something that you DON'T HAVE TO BUY an has NO IMPACT to your actual gaming experience?

Go ahead. You'll stick it to "The Man".

Some people have lines they simply won't cross. I'm not thinking about unsubbing so that I can "stick it to the man," I'm thinking about unsubbing because I want my money to go to companies that deal fairly and honestly with their customers. ZOS will not be the first company I've abandoned because I disagree with how they choose to do business and certainly won't be the last.

If you don't have any ethical disagreements with how the crown crates work then good for you, but don't mock people for having their own convictions.

I'll mock whomever I want. It's the American way! The ridiculous thing is that people will cancel a leisure service in protest of a leisure within it. So, go ahead... protest something that you don't have to pay for to a company that has to make money to improve content.

Are you reading the posts you are replying to or just YOLOing on your keyboard? I'm not protesting anything, I'm choosing where to spend my money based on how companies behave toward their customers. That's like trying to insinuate that I protest bananas because I don't like how they taste. It's not a protest, it's a simple decision.

If people (not just you) unsubscribe to ESO+ because they don't like crown crates... they're protesting. They're quite literally protesting crown crates. YOLO!!!

No. We're deciding that we don't want to support a company that has exploitative practices, and we'd rather spend our money on a company that's interested in making their profits honestly. That's not a protest, that's an informed decision on where we'll spend our money based on the ethics of the company.

Unless I have no other choice, my money never goes to companies which I don't consider to be ethical. If I know that a company is doing the wrong thing, I won't buy their product. That's not a protest, it's a choice based on my personal beliefs. And unless ZOS makes sufficient changes to the crown crates to make them fair (and yes, they're still allowed to be profitable for ZOS - they're even allowed to make more off them than they do off regular crown store stuff), then I'll be making that choice with ESO.

Even though I've spent over $1500 on ESO since PC launch, I don't expect ZOS will notice the loss of income from me. I don't expect they'll care or change their minds. If they ask, I'll happily explain to them why they will no longer get my money, but my choice not to support this predatory practice is simply because I don't want to support a company that would do that. It's not a protest, it's choosing not to be a part of what they're becoming.

Cool. So, are you going to quit playing and posting in forums, too? Are you going to disassociate yourself, 100% with a company that you consider "exploitative"? God forbid that they make money through various means that SOME PEOPLE might find enjoyable while others don't...

Maybe you'll stop playing MMOs and take up more lucrative, self-improving hobbies like: learning a new language, cooking classes, dance lessons, play the piano, take a class on investing wisely, volunteer at an animal shelter, and hit the gym more.

...or most likely, you'll continue to fiddle-fart around on the internet and subscribe to ESO when housing comes out. But, if I never see another post from all these "unsubscribers" because of their ethical stand against a video game- it will mean that they've actually moved on to bigger and better things!

wayfarerx

Other (explain below).

jaburns wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Of course I'm not unsubbing.

So, you'll give up your awesome craft bag, your subscription crowns, your extra XP, and your access to all DLC in protest to something that you DON'T HAVE TO BUY an has NO IMPACT to your actual gaming experience?

Go ahead. You'll stick it to "The Man".

Some people have lines they simply won't cross. I'm not thinking about unsubbing so that I can "stick it to the man," I'm thinking about unsubbing because I want my money to go to companies that deal fairly and honestly with their customers. ZOS will not be the first company I've abandoned because I disagree with how they choose to do business and certainly won't be the last.

If you don't have any ethical disagreements with how the crown crates work then good for you, but don't mock people for having their own convictions.

I'll mock whomever I want. It's the American way! The ridiculous thing is that people will cancel a leisure service in protest of a leisure within it. So, go ahead... protest something that you don't have to pay for to a company that has to make money to improve content.

Are you reading the posts you are replying to or just YOLOing on your keyboard? I'm not protesting anything, I'm choosing where to spend my money based on how companies behave toward their customers. That's like trying to insinuate that I protest bananas because I don't like how they taste. It's not a protest, it's a simple decision.

If people (not just you) unsubscribe to ESO+ because they don't like crown crates... they're protesting. They're quite literally protesting crown crates. YOLO!!!

No. We're deciding that we don't want to support a company that has exploitative practices, and we'd rather spend our money on a company that's interested in making their profits honestly. That's not a protest, that's an informed decision on where we'll spend our money based on the ethics of the company.

Unless I have no other choice, my money never goes to companies which I don't consider to be ethical. If I know that a company is doing the wrong thing, I won't buy their product. That's not a protest, it's a choice based on my personal beliefs. And unless ZOS makes sufficient changes to the crown crates to make them fair (and yes, they're still allowed to be profitable for ZOS - they're even allowed to make more off them than they do off regular crown store stuff), then I'll be making that choice with ESO.

Even though I've spent over $1500 on ESO since PC launch, I don't expect ZOS will notice the loss of income from me. I don't expect they'll care or change their minds. If they ask, I'll happily explain to them why they will no longer get my money, but my choice not to support this predatory practice is simply because I don't want to support a company that would do that. It's not a protest, it's choosing not to be a part of what they're becoming.

Cool. So, are you going to quit playing and posting in forums, too? Are you going to disassociate yourself, 100% with a company that you consider "exploitative"? God forbid that they make money through various means that SOME PEOPLE might find enjoyable while others don't...

Maybe you'll stop playing MMOs and take up more lucrative, self-improving hobbies like: learning a new language, cooking classes, dance lessons, play the piano, take a class on investing wisely, volunteer at an animal shelter, and hit the gym more.

...or most likely, you'll continue to fiddle-fart around on the internet and subscribe to ESO when housing comes out. But, if I never see another post from all these "unsubscribers" because of their ethical stand against a video game- it will mean that they've actually moved on to bigger and better things!

I don't know what UrQuan's plans are, but I plan to eek out the last of my crowns and keep hanging out with friends in ESO without my sub. I'll start to play less since I'll have budget freed up to buy other games. I'll probably be on the forums less as ESO becomes less of a fixture in my life. So I'll probably just kinda fade away over time.

Now, the real questions is: for someone who claims to not care you seem intensely interested in why other people are making the decision to unsub. What skin do you have in this game exactly? What exactly do you want to hear from us?

Savos_Saren

No, I won't be cancelling.

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Of course I'm not unsubbing.

So, you'll give up your awesome craft bag, your subscription crowns, your extra XP, and your access to all DLC in protest to something that you DON'T HAVE TO BUY an has NO IMPACT to your actual gaming experience?

Go ahead. You'll stick it to "The Man".

Some people have lines they simply won't cross. I'm not thinking about unsubbing so that I can "stick it to the man," I'm thinking about unsubbing because I want my money to go to companies that deal fairly and honestly with their customers. ZOS will not be the first company I've abandoned because I disagree with how they choose to do business and certainly won't be the last.

If you don't have any ethical disagreements with how the crown crates work then good for you, but don't mock people for having their own convictions.

I'll mock whomever I want. It's the American way! The ridiculous thing is that people will cancel a leisure service in protest of a leisure within it. So, go ahead... protest something that you don't have to pay for to a company that has to make money to improve content.

Are you reading the posts you are replying to or just YOLOing on your keyboard? I'm not protesting anything, I'm choosing where to spend my money based on how companies behave toward their customers. That's like trying to insinuate that I protest bananas because I don't like how they taste. It's not a protest, it's a simple decision.

If people (not just you) unsubscribe to ESO+ because they don't like crown crates... they're protesting. They're quite literally protesting crown crates. YOLO!!!

No. We're deciding that we don't want to support a company that has exploitative practices, and we'd rather spend our money on a company that's interested in making their profits honestly. That's not a protest, that's an informed decision on where we'll spend our money based on the ethics of the company.

Unless I have no other choice, my money never goes to companies which I don't consider to be ethical. If I know that a company is doing the wrong thing, I won't buy their product. That's not a protest, it's a choice based on my personal beliefs. And unless ZOS makes sufficient changes to the crown crates to make them fair (and yes, they're still allowed to be profitable for ZOS - they're even allowed to make more off them than they do off regular crown store stuff), then I'll be making that choice with ESO.

Even though I've spent over $1500 on ESO since PC launch, I don't expect ZOS will notice the loss of income from me. I don't expect they'll care or change their minds. If they ask, I'll happily explain to them why they will no longer get my money, but my choice not to support this predatory practice is simply because I don't want to support a company that would do that. It's not a protest, it's choosing not to be a part of what they're becoming.

Cool. So, are you going to quit playing and posting in forums, too? Are you going to disassociate yourself, 100% with a company that you consider "exploitative"? God forbid that they make money through various means that SOME PEOPLE might find enjoyable while others don't...

Maybe you'll stop playing MMOs and take up more lucrative, self-improving hobbies like: learning a new language, cooking classes, dance lessons, play the piano, take a class on investing wisely, volunteer at an animal shelter, and hit the gym more.

...or most likely, you'll continue to fiddle-fart around on the internet and subscribe to ESO when housing comes out. But, if I never see another post from all these "unsubscribers" because of their ethical stand against a video game- it will mean that they've actually moved on to bigger and better things!

I don't know what UrQuan's plans are, but I plan to eek out the last of my crowns and keep hanging out with friends in ESO without my sub. I'll start to play less since I'll have budget freed up to buy other games. I'll probably be on the forums less as ESO becomes less of a fixture in my life. So I'll probably just kinda fade away over time.

Now, the real questions is: for someone who claims to not care you seem intensely interested in why other people are making the decision to unsub. What skin do you have in this game exactly? What exactly do you want to hear from us?

Honest answer: Crown crates (an optional, luxury item in a video game) just such a petty, first-world thing to get upset about. Yet here's a bunch of people crying about a leisure from the comforts of their computer's keyboard.

[Edit to remove bait]

Delgent

Yes, I have cancelled my ESO+ subscription because of the crown crates.

Coupled with the BoP changes, I finally hit the cancel button. I'm sitting on 37k crowns between sub crowns and last sale, so I'll buy the DLCs, go back to using my other character slots as mules, and start looking for a different company to spend my money with. Things are moving too drastically in the rng/grind direction for my tastes.

If ESO is going to commit to the free to play model, so will I. I'll just continue to play for free at this point until I find another realm to open my gold pouch for.

wayfarerx

Other (explain below).

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Of course I'm not unsubbing.

So, you'll give up your awesome craft bag, your subscription crowns, your extra XP, and your access to all DLC in protest to something that you DON'T HAVE TO BUY an has NO IMPACT to your actual gaming experience?

Go ahead. You'll stick it to "The Man".

Some people have lines they simply won't cross. I'm not thinking about unsubbing so that I can "stick it to the man," I'm thinking about unsubbing because I want my money to go to companies that deal fairly and honestly with their customers. ZOS will not be the first company I've abandoned because I disagree with how they choose to do business and certainly won't be the last.

If you don't have any ethical disagreements with how the crown crates work then good for you, but don't mock people for having their own convictions.

I'll mock whomever I want. It's the American way! The ridiculous thing is that people will cancel a leisure service in protest of a leisure within it. So, go ahead... protest something that you don't have to pay for to a company that has to make money to improve content.

Are you reading the posts you are replying to or just YOLOing on your keyboard? I'm not protesting anything, I'm choosing where to spend my money based on how companies behave toward their customers. That's like trying to insinuate that I protest bananas because I don't like how they taste. It's not a protest, it's a simple decision.

If people (not just you) unsubscribe to ESO+ because they don't like crown crates... they're protesting. They're quite literally protesting crown crates. YOLO!!!

No. We're deciding that we don't want to support a company that has exploitative practices, and we'd rather spend our money on a company that's interested in making their profits honestly. That's not a protest, that's an informed decision on where we'll spend our money based on the ethics of the company.

Unless I have no other choice, my money never goes to companies which I don't consider to be ethical. If I know that a company is doing the wrong thing, I won't buy their product. That's not a protest, it's a choice based on my personal beliefs. And unless ZOS makes sufficient changes to the crown crates to make them fair (and yes, they're still allowed to be profitable for ZOS - they're even allowed to make more off them than they do off regular crown store stuff), then I'll be making that choice with ESO.

Even though I've spent over $1500 on ESO since PC launch, I don't expect ZOS will notice the loss of income from me. I don't expect they'll care or change their minds. If they ask, I'll happily explain to them why they will no longer get my money, but my choice not to support this predatory practice is simply because I don't want to support a company that would do that. It's not a protest, it's choosing not to be a part of what they're becoming.

Cool. So, are you going to quit playing and posting in forums, too? Are you going to disassociate yourself, 100% with a company that you consider "exploitative"? God forbid that they make money through various means that SOME PEOPLE might find enjoyable while others don't...

Maybe you'll stop playing MMOs and take up more lucrative, self-improving hobbies like: learning a new language, cooking classes, dance lessons, play the piano, take a class on investing wisely, volunteer at an animal shelter, and hit the gym more.

...or most likely, you'll continue to fiddle-fart around on the internet and subscribe to ESO when housing comes out. But, if I never see another post from all these "unsubscribers" because of their ethical stand against a video game- it will mean that they've actually moved on to bigger and better things!

I don't know what UrQuan's plans are, but I plan to eek out the last of my crowns and keep hanging out with friends in ESO without my sub. I'll start to play less since I'll have budget freed up to buy other games. I'll probably be on the forums less as ESO becomes less of a fixture in my life. So I'll probably just kinda fade away over time.

Now, the real questions is: for someone who claims to not care you seem intensely interested in why other people are making the decision to unsub. What skin do you have in this game exactly? What exactly do you want to hear from us?

Honest answer: Crown crates (an optional, luxury item in a video game) just such a petty, first-world thing to get upset about. Yet here's a bunch of people crying about a leisure from the comforts of their computer's keyboard.

I think you're projecting a bit here buddy. There's a large gap between getting upset and choosing to spend my money elsewhere. I mean, if it makes you happy to imagine people jumping up and down and burning effigies or Matt Firor in the streets then, you know, have at it. In reality it just means I reinstalled Fallout 4 and am going to pick up the DLC season pass.

Savos_Saren

No, I won't be cancelling.

Projecting what, exactly? From what I see of the current pole: 70% of us don't care. The rest of you are QQing about something that the majority of us don't care about...

driosketch

Other (explain below).

jaburns wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Of course I'm not unsubbing.

So, you'll give up your awesome craft bag, your subscription crowns, your extra XP, and your access to all DLC in protest to something that you DON'T HAVE TO BUY an has NO IMPACT to your actual gaming experience?

Go ahead. You'll stick it to "The Man".

Some people have lines they simply won't cross. I'm not thinking about unsubbing so that I can "stick it to the man," I'm thinking about unsubbing because I want my money to go to companies that deal fairly and honestly with their customers. ZOS will not be the first company I've abandoned because I disagree with how they choose to do business and certainly won't be the last.

If you don't have any ethical disagreements with how the crown crates work then good for you, but don't mock people for having their own convictions.

I'll mock whomever I want. It's the American way! The ridiculous thing is that people will cancel a leisure service in protest of a leisure within it. So, go ahead... protest something that you don't have to pay for to a company that has to make money to improve content.

Are you reading the posts you are replying to or just YOLOing on your keyboard? I'm not protesting anything, I'm choosing where to spend my money based on how companies behave toward their customers. That's like trying to insinuate that I protest bananas because I don't like how they taste. It's not a protest, it's a simple decision.

If people (not just you) unsubscribe to ESO+ because they don't like crown crates... they're protesting. They're quite literally protesting crown crates. YOLO!!!

No. We're deciding that we don't want to support a company that has exploitative practices, and we'd rather spend our money on a company that's interested in making their profits honestly. That's not a protest, that's an informed decision on where we'll spend our money based on the ethics of the company.

Unless I have no other choice, my money never goes to companies which I don't consider to be ethical. If I know that a company is doing the wrong thing, I won't buy their product. That's not a protest, it's a choice based on my personal beliefs. And unless ZOS makes sufficient changes to the crown crates to make them fair (and yes, they're still allowed to be profitable for ZOS - they're even allowed to make more off them than they do off regular crown store stuff), then I'll be making that choice with ESO.

Even though I've spent over $1500 on ESO since PC launch, I don't expect ZOS will notice the loss of income from me. I don't expect they'll care or change their minds. If they ask, I'll happily explain to them why they will no longer get my money, but my choice not to support this predatory practice is simply because I don't want to support a company that would do that. It's not a protest, it's choosing not to be a part of what they're becoming.

Cool. So, are you going to quit playing and posting in forums, too? Are you going to disassociate yourself, 100% with a company that you consider "exploitative"? God forbid that they make money through various means that SOME PEOPLE might find enjoyable while others don't...

Maybe you'll stop playing MMOs and take up more lucrative, self-improving hobbies like: learning a new language, cooking classes, dance lessons, play the piano, take a class on investing wisely, volunteer at an animal shelter, and hit the gym more.

...or most likely, you'll continue to fiddle-fart around on the internet and subscribe to ESO when housing comes out. But, if I never see another post from all these "unsubscribers" because of their ethical stand against a video game- it will mean that they've actually moved on to bigger and better things!

I mean, I'm not one to consider rage sub cancelling a valid protest. If I spend less money on the game, that's a matter of fact, not a threat to get my way. But UrQuan is somewhat of a forum mascot. One whose spending is noticed enough by ZOS to be invite into a pilot program for gifting crowns. But I also saw others in the feedback thread, those who had also gotten that email, confirmed valid by Gina, even Community Ambassadors and others who are usually positive voices, universally speak out against crates.

This is a shift in tone among the core customer group. Post your memes if you like, bury your head in the sand for all I care. In three years I haven't seen it reach this level, and I'm troubled by it.

UrQuan

Not yet, but I will cancel in protest of the crown crates.

jaburns wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Of course I'm not unsubbing.

So, you'll give up your awesome craft bag, your subscription crowns, your extra XP, and your access to all DLC in protest to something that you DON'T HAVE TO BUY an has NO IMPACT to your actual gaming experience?

Go ahead. You'll stick it to "The Man".

Some people have lines they simply won't cross. I'm not thinking about unsubbing so that I can "stick it to the man," I'm thinking about unsubbing because I want my money to go to companies that deal fairly and honestly with their customers. ZOS will not be the first company I've abandoned because I disagree with how they choose to do business and certainly won't be the last.

If you don't have any ethical disagreements with how the crown crates work then good for you, but don't mock people for having their own convictions.

I'll mock whomever I want. It's the American way! The ridiculous thing is that people will cancel a leisure service in protest of a leisure within it. So, go ahead... protest something that you don't have to pay for to a company that has to make money to improve content.

Are you reading the posts you are replying to or just YOLOing on your keyboard? I'm not protesting anything, I'm choosing where to spend my money based on how companies behave toward their customers. That's like trying to insinuate that I protest bananas because I don't like how they taste. It's not a protest, it's a simple decision.

If people (not just you) unsubscribe to ESO+ because they don't like crown crates... they're protesting. They're quite literally protesting crown crates. YOLO!!!

No. We're deciding that we don't want to support a company that has exploitative practices, and we'd rather spend our money on a company that's interested in making their profits honestly. That's not a protest, that's an informed decision on where we'll spend our money based on the ethics of the company.

Unless I have no other choice, my money never goes to companies which I don't consider to be ethical. If I know that a company is doing the wrong thing, I won't buy their product. That's not a protest, it's a choice based on my personal beliefs. And unless ZOS makes sufficient changes to the crown crates to make them fair (and yes, they're still allowed to be profitable for ZOS - they're even allowed to make more off them than they do off regular crown store stuff), then I'll be making that choice with ESO.

Even though I've spent over $1500 on ESO since PC launch, I don't expect ZOS will notice the loss of income from me. I don't expect they'll care or change their minds. If they ask, I'll happily explain to them why they will no longer get my money, but my choice not to support this predatory practice is simply because I don't want to support a company that would do that. It's not a protest, it's choosing not to be a part of what they're becoming.

Cool. So, are you going to quit playing and posting in forums, too? Are you going to disassociate yourself, 100% with a company that you consider "exploitative"?

Most likely, yes.

jaburns wrote: »

God forbid that they make money through various means that SOME PEOPLE might find enjoyable while others don't...

I'm fine with ZOS making money through various means. If you check my posting history you'll see I often defend things that they do with the crown store and ESO+ that I consider to be reasonable business practices (even if I don't like the way they've priced certain things).

What I'm not OK with is blatant exploitation. But like I've said in this thread and others, lottery boxes don't have to be exploitative. I'm really hoping ZOS makes sufficient changes to them before they hit live that they won't be exploitative. If they do, then I'll keep supporting the game. If they don't I can't see myself associating with the company anymore. I make almost every choice in life regarding where my money goes (and where my money comes from) based on my morals. This is no different.

jaburns wrote: »

Maybe you'll stop playing MMOs and take up more lucrative, self-improving hobbies like: learning a new language, cooking classes, dance lessons, play the piano, take a class on investing wisely, volunteer at an animal shelter, and hit the gym more.

Well, considering ESO is the only MMO I've ever played, yeah that would mean that I'd stop playing MMOs. And I already do some of the things that you mention regularly, so I'll probably just spend somewhat more time playing games in person with my friends than I do currently (although I already do quite a bit of that).

jaburns wrote: »

...or most likely, you'll continue to fiddle-fart around on the internet and subscribe to ESO when housing comes out.

If they don't make sufficient changes to crown crates to make me OK with staying, then I won't be coming back until such time as they do. I've been waiting for housing since launch day, but that doesn't override my morals.

wayfarerx

Other (explain below).

jaburns wrote: »

Projecting what, exactly? From what I see of the current pole: 70% of us don't care. The rest of you are QQing about something that the majority of us don't care about...

Well, when people express their concerns and you call it QQing, you're projecting emotions and reactions onto us that are not actually there.

This poll shows that 70% of the respondents won't unsub because of the crates, but surely you've seen the feedback threads going around. The players care a lot about how these things are going to be implemented.

You don't have to share my convictions about monetization in gaming, you don't even need to recognize them as valid. But the hyper-caffeinated, super dismissive tone you're striking here doesn't really help move the conversation along or add anything of value. Yay, you think it's funny that people make informed decisions with their spending, good for you. I just don't really get what pleasure you are receiving from just being contrarian and smug about it.

Elsonso

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UrQuan wrote: »

No. We're deciding that we don't want to support a company that has exploitative practices, and we'd rather spend our money on a company that's interested in making their profits honestly. That's not a protest, that's an informed decision on where we'll spend our money based on the ethics of the company.

Unless I have no other choice, my money never goes to companies which I don't consider to be ethical. If I know that a company is doing the wrong thing, I won't buy their product. That's not a protest, it's a choice based on my personal beliefs. And unless ZOS makes sufficient changes to the crown crates to make them fair (and yes, they're still allowed to be profitable for ZOS - they're even allowed to make more off them than they do off regular crown store stuff), then I'll be making that choice with ESO.

Even though I've spent over $1500 on ESO since PC launch, I don't expect ZOS will notice the loss of income from me. I don't expect they'll care or change their minds. If they ask, I'll happily explain to them why they will no longer get my money, but my choice not to support this predatory practice is simply because I don't want to support a company that would do that. It's not a protest, it's choosing not to be a part of what they're becoming.

The bolded part is a very important point. After the first purchase, none of us is required to actually spend any more money at the ESO trough. We can play the game every waking moment every day of the week and never have to buy a single Crown or subscribe to ESO Plus. This was the decision that ZOS made when they decided to drop the required subscription.

I like the game. I am currently subscribing because I like the game. By doing this, I am voluntarily paying for a game that I don't have to pay for. I am in the box that says that as long as I like the game, I will continue to subscribe. Crown Crates can be ignored, and I intend to make a religion out of doing exactly that.

I am not stopping my subscription over this. ZOS is on what I consider to be a self-destructive path. I am realistic enough to understand that Crown Crates are just one more step in the long path taken since March 2015 that is leading the game in a direction that I won't want to pay for. I see this as inevitable. I might still play it, but I won't pay for it. They cannot make the ESO Plus Crafting Bag large enough to keep me from dropping my subscription.

silvereyes

Yes, I have cancelled my ESO+ subscription because of the crown crates.

UrQuan

Not yet, but I will cancel in protest of the crown crates.

silvereyes wrote: »

lol that might be one of the funniest uses of that meme I've seen... You get an awesome from me.

Savos_Saren

No, I won't be cancelling.

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Projecting what, exactly? From what I see of the current pole: 70% of us don't care. The rest of you are QQing about something that the majority of us don't care about...

Well, when people express their concerns and you call it QQing, you're projecting emotions and reactions onto us that are not actually there.

This poll shows that 70% of the respondents won't unsub because of the crates, but surely you've seen the feedback threads going around. The players care a lot about how these things are going to be implemented.

You don't have to share my convictions about monetization in gaming, you don't even need to recognize them as valid. But the hyper-caffeinated, super dismissive tone you're striking here doesn't really help move the conversation along or add anything of value. Yay, you think it's funny that people make informed decisions with their spending, good for you. I just don't really get what pleasure you are receiving from just being contrarian and smug about it.

Oh, I definitely don't share your convictions about monetization in gaming. Especially for an optional luxury that you can just ignore. Such a pathetic thing, isn't it? To be convicted about something in gaming? The reason I mock this poll (thank you for correcting me) is that it's such a petty thing to get upset about. I'm trying to emphasize to people that it's not the end of the world. It really isn't- I promise!

Take a journey with me right fast:

Imagine yourself walking over to a police officer, school teacher, or nurse. Random, honorable professionals. Tap them on the shoulder and say:

"Listen, I know you're a busy person and thanks for all the hard work that you do. I know that you're extremely under appreciated, overworked, and underpaid. I just want you to know that I'm doing my part as well. You see, I have this conviction about a video game that I'm currently playing. I don't like how a company is trying to make a profit off of me while I'm sitting at my keyboard, eating doritos, and drinking mountain dew. I just... I just don't like how they have the *possibility* of exploiting my desire to gamble. Though, actually, I don't really have to gamble in this video game. I've decided to act upon my strong, ethical code. I'm refusing to subscribe to their services... and I'm going to move on to a different video game. It feels good to stand up for something that you believe in. I feel proud of what I'm doing and I just wanted you to recognize my convictions as something valid that matters in this world."

You're standing there with your arms crossed... such a proud look on your face for standing up to your convictions in the gaming industry. Now, I want you to think about what this complete stranger (the cop, school teacher, or nurse) is thinking as they're looking at you...

Such a sad, first-world problem.

Daraugh

No, I won't be cancelling.

I hate the crates. I hate the way they're implemented and the fact that they exist in game. I won't unsub until I'm ready to quit though. I'd buy crowns to get a dress or a mount I really want, but if I sub I get my crowns as a $15 trade-off. They're aren't going to make any money from me off crates. If players don't buy the crates, but support the game by subbing or buying the above board crown items we do want, then it might make a difference.

@wayfarerx I respect your reasons for considering quitting the game, but I really hope you don't leave. Everyone in Fangs will miss you!

Lotro did the same thing when they moved so much of their game to a cash shop. Once the shop started taking over, everyone in my guild started drifting away. I logged on a couple of weeks ago, after two years away. There were four people still there out of the hundreds that were there when I was playing. The game felt like a ghost town.

wayfarerx

Other (explain below).

jaburns wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Projecting what, exactly? From what I see of the current pole: 70% of us don't care. The rest of you are QQing about something that the majority of us don't care about...

Well, when people express their concerns and you call it QQing, you're projecting emotions and reactions onto us that are not actually there.

This poll shows that 70% of the respondents won't unsub because of the crates, but surely you've seen the feedback threads going around. The players care a lot about how these things are going to be implemented.

You don't have to share my convictions about monetization in gaming, you don't even need to recognize them as valid. But the hyper-caffeinated, super dismissive tone you're striking here doesn't really help move the conversation along or add anything of value. Yay, you think it's funny that people make informed decisions with their spending, good for you. I just don't really get what pleasure you are receiving from just being contrarian and smug about it.

Oh, I definitely don't share your convictions about monetization in gaming. Especially for an optional luxury that you can just ignore. Such a pathetic thing, isn't it? To be convicted about something in gaming? The reason I mock this poll (thank you for correcting me) is that it's such a petty thing to get upset about. I'm trying to emphasize to people that it's not the end of the world. It really isn't- I promise!

I don't even know what's happening here, I'm partly convinced that you're replying to someone else who's posts I can't see and are accidentally quoting me by mistake. In any event this will be my last reply to you, this little experience has been about as productive as debating politics with a fermented cantaloupe.

jaburns wrote: »

Take a journey with me right fast:

Imagine yourself walking over to a police officer, school teacher, or nurse. Random, honorable professionals. Tap them on the shoulder and say:

"Listen, I know you're a busy person and thanks for all the hard work that you do. I know that you're extremely under appreciated, overworked, and underpaid. I just want you to know that I'm doing my part as well. You see, I have this conviction about a video game that I'm currently playing. I don't like how a company is trying to make a profit off of me while I'm sitting at my keyboard, eating doritos, and drinking mountain dew. I just... I just don't like how they have the *possibility* of exploiting my desire to gamble. Though, actually, I don't really have to gamble in this video game. I've decided to act upon my strong, ethical code. I'm refusing to subscribe to their services... and I'm going to move on to a different video game. It feels good to stand up for something that you believe in. I feel proud of what I'm doing and I just wanted you to recognize my convictions as something valid that matters in this world."

You're standing there with your arms crossed... such a proud look on your face for standing up to your convictions in the gaming industry. Now, I want you to think about what this complete stranger (the cop, school teacher, or nurse) is thinking as they're looking at you...

Such a sad, first-world problem.

What... I don't... huh. I'm not sure if this is your bog-standard strawman argument or some kind of weird self-satified ERP. I guess we'll find out if the cop drops his pants in the next installment.

Daraugh wrote: »

@wayfarerx I respect your reasons for considering quitting the game, but I really hope you don't leave. Everyone in Fangs will miss you!

Thank you @Daraugh but I don't plan on leaving immediately. I've pre-paid ZOS quite a bit for crowns so I'll be riding those for awhile. I'll just be playing more Fallout 4 and such, but not on Saturdays!

Savos_Saren

No, I won't be cancelling.

Meh. I prefer if everyone takes of their pants. If you're going to go... go all out.

Daraugh

No, I won't be cancelling.

Daraugh wrote: »

@wayfarerx I respect your reasons for considering quitting the game, but I really hope you don't leave. Everyone in Fangs will miss you!

Thank you @Daraugh but I don't plan on leaving immediately. I've pre-paid ZOS quite a bit for crowns so I'll be riding those for awhile. I'll just be playing more Fallout 4 and such, but not on Saturdays!

Yay! I hope it's a good long ride!

wayfarerx

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jaburns wrote: »

Meh. I prefer if everyone takes of their pants. If you're going to go... go all out.

Well we can agree on that at least No pants is the best pants!

trbrelinskib14_ESO

No, I won't be cancelling.

I don't see an issue with Crown Crates. Frankly, it seems to be an issue for people that have a control problem. This isn't YOUR game. It doesn't in any way effect how I play or anyone plays for that matter. You don't like them, then don't buy them. Sheesh... It's not going to ruin the game... Step away from the fear...that might be a good idea...

I don't like everything about this game, but I like far more than what I don't like. I subscribe because I want to support the development of the game, plus I get a benefit from it. ESO is one of the few games that is free to play that doesn't gimp the free to play part of the game. You get exactly what you did when it was a subscription game when you don't subscribe now. I want to support that.

And yes I have also played SWOTR and don't buy the crates there and never had a problem with them on that game. It's purely cosmetic or convenience. I am not affected by someone else buying them. Someone wants to spend their crowns on them... go for it. Some people like that randomness.