do you think upgrading gear to yellow is too expensive?

jedtb16_ESO · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

Oompuh wrote: »

On NA Xbox it would cost me 160k+ for 1 piece of gold heavy armor. I'll pass on that one

no. it's free but you have to put the effort in. shocking eh?

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Oompuh wrote: »

On NA Xbox it would cost me 160k+ for 1 piece of gold heavy armor. I'll pass on that one

no. it's free but you have to put the effort in. shocking eh?

Well not exactly, but I agree with the sentiment. There is a value to your time like anything else. Some people fail to realize that in an MMO, a fair amount of your resources (time, gold, materials) are going to be spent on upgrading your character. For some people, that is apparently unacceptable. They want to log into Cyro everyday and do nothing but PVP. That's fine, but they shouldnt expect to be as powerful as someone that spends an hour a day working towards getting better gear outside of that environment.

I dont particularly want to still run VMA or daily pledges that I have done 100s of times, but I do because it makes my character better in trials (my preferred content). I also dont particularly enjoy doing writs, but I again, I do them for the same reason. What fun would it be if everyone just magically had a stack of Alloys in the bank? It would diminish any value associated with getting the gear you worked for.

clayandaudrey_ESO · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Upgrading a weapon to yellow? Only colour I know remotely close to that is being able to upgrade weapons to Gold, now that is expensive.

WTF did I just read?

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

Ok I hear alot of people complaining, but in order to get equipment / gear / weapons to Legendary.

there are plenty of ways of getting money and stuff in the game.

1. Steal it.
Level a Khajiit Nightblade and pickpocket and steal from lock boxes and do thieves guild quests for gold.

2. Farm your materials.
Not hard to do, find a area with creatures that drop materials or go to Hew's bane or Wrothgar and find it lying around, gonna need a high level crafter to get the best stuff, but everyone should have a crafter or two.

3. Do quests and delves and play the game.
You will get money and other things to sell, just for having fun in the game.

4. Farm Motifs.
Alot of people do this and make a killing on Selling the pages when they first come out, hop on the bandwagon and get some for yourself.

5. Sell stuff in a trade guild / make a trade guild.
You can make lots of money this way and if you are really smart you could make a trade guild and get people to sell stuff in your trade guild, you get a cut of everything that sells.. lots of work but people who can manage a trade guild well will make boatloads of money.

6. Kill for your gold.
With the Dark Brotherhood out you can perform as many regular hits (kill's) as you want and make some gold.

So now these are just some of the ways to make in-game gold.. Writs are another way to get mats, ETC.

Making a piece of gear Legendary should not be easy and it should cost a fortune.

I do a combination of the above, I farm mats, steal and sell stuff in a trader, farm Motifs and perform DB hits/kills.

I work on one character at a time, I have 11 characters at this moment and will create the last one soon.

I work on my favorite characters the most, and when I get enough gold upgrade materials and the sets I want, I make the decision to make a piece of there's Legendary. this might happen once every 2 nights or so (I am a very active gamer and a PC transfer, so I know my way around the block in this game).

I have one character, my 1st character who is my active crafter, he does all crafts (yes all) and has everything researched (yes all).

I have about 5-6 characters outfitted with all Golden Gear and constantly work toward making my others characters gear Legendary as well, it's a WIP (Work in Progress) but I do it, one piece at a time.

And when things change, like when the Gear level moved from VR14, now cp 140 to VR16, now CP 160, I found my new set pieces that I wanted for my characters and started all over again, welcome to a MMO. This will happen again.

is it too expensive to upgrade to Yellow ?, it can be but its a Long Term Goal to do in the game and it should be expensive as hell, since it is Legendary (the last upgrade) and there are so many ways to make in-game gold, if you put your mind to it you will accomplish it.

and when you do make a piece of end game gear Legendary with a Legendary Enchant, be proud you did because it takes a lot of time and money.

Soundwave · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

I voted yes, but I also vote no and vote other. Very complicated, but here out my reasons.

Yes- drops rates vary, some yellow mats drop more than others. It should be equal between all crafting mats, well except for perfect roe. But again I also believe certain yellow mats drop more often on different days of the week. For instance I get more wax on week days while alloys drop often on weekend.

No- I agree yellow means legendary and it should be hard to acquire. Though I feel the current yellow mats feel dated. Maybe add orange for rare, super duper rare mats like every 1000 ore u get one and it takes 16 to go orange.

Other- add AP vendor for mats not just yellow but every crafting mat in the game. The market is getting out of control, especially on console. Yellow mats r the only ones that are getting ridiculously expensive.

Farming mats only come from farmers, less farmers less mats. Less mats prices sky rocket. Farming for mats might have a big return but farming is also boring. Fishing is a drag, yellow drop rates r good and bad. AP vendor could help market down the road.

Alchemy mats 1000ap
Provisioning mats 1000ap
Clothing mats 2000ap
Woodworking 2000ap
Ore- 2000ap

Yellows mats 50000ap
Perfect roe 1000000ap
Style traits 10000ap

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Ok I hear alot of people complaining, but in order to get equipment / gear / weapons to Legendary.

there are plenty of ways of getting money and stuff in the game.

1. Steal it.
Level a Khajiit Nightblade and pickpocket and steal from lock boxes and do thieves guild quests for gold.

2. Farm your materials.
Not hard to do, find a area with creatures that drop materials or go to Hew's bane or Wrothgar and find it lying around, gonna need a high level crafter to get the best stuff, but everyone should have a crafter or two.

3. Do quests and delves and play the game.
You will get money and other things to sell, just for having fun in the game.

4. Farm Motifs.
Alot of people do this and make a killing on Selling the pages when they first come out, hop on the bandwagon and get some for yourself.

5. Sell stuff in a trade guild / make a trade guild.
You can make lots of money this way and if you are really smart you could make a trade guild and get people to sell stuff in your trade guild, you get a cut of everything that sells.. lots of work but people who can manage a trade guild well will make boatloads of money.

6. Kill for your gold.
With the Dark Brotherhood out you can perform as many regular hits (kill's) as you want and make some gold.

So now these are just some of the ways to make in-game gold.. Writs are another way to get mats, ETC.

Making a piece of gear Legendary should not be easy and it should cost a fortune.

I do a combination of the above, I farm mats, steal and sell stuff in a trader, farm Motifs and perform DB hits/kills.

I work on one character at a time, I have 11 characters at this moment and will create the last one soon.

I work on my favorite characters the most, and when I get enough gold upgrade materials and the sets I want, I make the decision to make a piece of there's Legendary. this might happen once every 2 nights or so (I am a very active gamer and a PC transfer, so I know my way around the block in this game).

I have one character, my 1st character who is my active crafter, he does all crafts (yes all) and has everything researched (yes all).

I have about 5-6 characters outfitted with all Golden Gear and constantly work toward making my others characters gear Legendary as well, it's a WIP (Work in Progress) but I do it, one piece at a time.

And when things change, like when the Gear level moved from VR14, now cp 140 to VR16, now CP 160, I found my new set pieces that I wanted for my characters and started all over again, welcome to a MMO. This will happen again.

is it too expensive to upgrade to Yellow ?, it can be but its a Long Term Goal to do in the game and it should be expensive as hell, since it is Legendary (the last upgrade) and there are so many ways to make in-game gold, if you put your mind to it you will accomplish it.

and when you do make a piece of end game gear Legendary with a Legendary Enchant, be proud you did because it takes a lot of time and money.

Good insight. One thing I will add is that people will find they are better at or at least enjoy one of these activities over another. As a general rule, if there is something that you want that can be purchased (gold mats in this discussion), you are generally better off spending your time at whatever you are best at to make gold, and then buying the item in the open market, rather than farming the specific item.

A great example is an agility/willpower piece of jewelry. Sure you can farm the appropriate keys for hours on end and keep opening chests until you get it, or you could go do "X" activity, make gold, and buy it. If you are good at haggling and already proficient at something else to make money, you will typically do better doing the later.

waterfairy · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

I've mastered blacksmith months ago, have the hireling and refine mats often enough...I have maybe 8 tempering alloy. They cost 18K each in guild traders. There's no question that it's too expensive so I stay at purple because I don't have the patience to grind for enough gold to buy or 100s of mats to refine, hoping that RNG will give me 1 or 2 gold tempers for all my trouble.

Broken system is broken

jedtb16_ESO · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

Soundwave wrote: »

I voted yes, but I also vote no and vote other. Very complicated, but here out my reasons.

Yes- drops rates vary, some yellow mats drop more than others. It should be equal between all crafting mats, well except for perfect roe. But again I also believe certain yellow mats drop more often on different days of the week. For instance I get more wax on week days while alloys drop often on weekend.

No- I agree yellow means legendary and it should be hard to acquire. Though I feel the current yellow mats feel dated. Maybe add orange for rare, super duper rare mats like every 1000 ore u get one and it takes 16 to go orange.

Other- add AP vendor for mats not just yellow but every crafting mat in the game. The market is getting out of control, especially on console. Yellow mats r the only ones that are getting ridiculously expensive.

Farming mats only come from farmers, less farmers less mats. Less mats prices sky rocket. Farming for mats might have a big return but farming is also boring. Fishing is a drag, yellow drop rates r good and bad. AP vendor could help market down the road.

Alchemy mats 1000ap
Provisioning mats 1000ap
Clothing mats 2000ap
Woodworking 2000ap
Ore- 2000ap

Yellows mats 50000ap
Perfect roe 1000000ap
Style traits 10000ap

farming and fishing are part of the game... play the whole game.

waterfairy · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Soundwave wrote: »

I voted yes, but I also vote no and vote other. Very complicated, but here out my reasons.

Yes- drops rates vary, some yellow mats drop more than others. It should be equal between all crafting mats, well except for perfect roe. But again I also believe certain yellow mats drop more often on different days of the week. For instance I get more wax on week days while alloys drop often on weekend.

No- I agree yellow means legendary and it should be hard to acquire. Though I feel the current yellow mats feel dated. Maybe add orange for rare, super duper rare mats like every 1000 ore u get one and it takes 16 to go orange.

Other- add AP vendor for mats not just yellow but every crafting mat in the game. The market is getting out of control, especially on console. Yellow mats r the only ones that are getting ridiculously expensive.

Farming mats only come from farmers, less farmers less mats. Less mats prices sky rocket. Farming for mats might have a big return but farming is also boring. Fishing is a drag, yellow drop rates r good and bad. AP vendor could help market down the road.

Alchemy mats 1000ap
Provisioning mats 1000ap
Clothing mats 2000ap
Woodworking 2000ap
Ore- 2000ap

Yellows mats 50000ap
Perfect roe 1000000ap
Style traits 10000ap

farming and fishing are part of the game... play the whole game.

If I wanted to farm in a game then I'd play Farming Simulator

Soundwave · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Soundwave wrote: »

I voted yes, but I also vote no and vote other. Very complicated, but here out my reasons.

Yes- drops rates vary, some yellow mats drop more than others. It should be equal between all crafting mats, well except for perfect roe. But again I also believe certain yellow mats drop more often on different days of the week. For instance I get more wax on week days while alloys drop often on weekend.

No- I agree yellow means legendary and it should be hard to acquire. Though I feel the current yellow mats feel dated. Maybe add orange for rare, super duper rare mats like every 1000 ore u get one and it takes 16 to go orange.

Other- add AP vendor for mats not just yellow but every crafting mat in the game. The market is getting out of control, especially on console. Yellow mats r the only ones that are getting ridiculously expensive.

Farming mats only come from farmers, less farmers less mats. Less mats prices sky rocket. Farming for mats might have a big return but farming is also boring. Fishing is a drag, yellow drop rates r good and bad. AP vendor could help market down the road.

Alchemy mats 1000ap
Provisioning mats 1000ap
Clothing mats 2000ap
Woodworking 2000ap
Ore- 2000ap

Yellows mats 50000ap
Perfect roe 1000000ap
Style traits 10000ap

farming and fishing are part of the game... play the whole game.

Play the whole game is your response lol, i have farmed over 1000 of each yellow mat in the game, over thousand and thousand of alchemy mats. I dont buy anything from the guild trader that i cant farm. And i am utterly bored of farming. Just to compete with others u need x and x cost way too much. When i have to spend hours and hours to farm, i rather watch Netflix.

jedtb16_ESO · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

more people, just want it all on a plate...

Dubhliam · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

My only issue is you can't take lower tanins or whatnot and upgrade those.

Basically if I have 800 blue mats, I'd like to take 8 or 10 to make the next tier...so on and so forth.

This is actually a great way for devs to regulate the prices of tempers.

I have no idea why they have not done it yet.

Something like:

25x Fine     >  1x Superior
20x Superior >  1x Epic
15x Epic     >  1x Legendary

This will not however satisfy the entitlement from these instant gratification gamers in this thread though.

LegendaryNinja · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

I think that ESO would need an entire overhaul in terms of weapon and armor method of upgrades if it plans to increase the gear cap in the future. Something like being able to convert lesser upgrade components is a start.

ArchMikem · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

It's taken me over a year of playing to finally amass enough Rosins, (as well as have a level capped character I like) to make my first Legendary Staff for my Templar. I did kind of appreciate the 200 point bump in Spell Damage, but in all honestly making everything Legendary seems really pointless. Only having Gold weapons seems beneficial since the stats increase for Armor from Epic to Legendary is barely an increase at all. And I care way too much about the wealth I have to waste it on something that won't give me an appropriate return.

it took you a year...... 12 months....52 weeks..... 365 (and a quarter)days to get 8 rosins????????

really?

A year of intermittent play time, which combined actually equals far FAR less than a full year, not to mention I didn't have a character I felt was my true main until fairly recently.

KingYogi415 · September 2016

Buying gold mats is poor way to spend money.

Only upgrade with mats you farm yourself!

Kalante · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

Hell yeah specially dual wield set ups. Prices of tampering alloids in console are ridiculous. 16k gold?? are you kidding me. I personally believe upgrading body pieces to gold is not worth it. Ive ran purple hundings rage with just 2 of the body pieces being gold the whole time.

PurifedBladez · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

Xbox NA.

Mojmir · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

A master crafter should be able to make gold armor with fewer resources. Currently 8,knock it down to 5-6

Kelces · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

I don't know of anyone just testing a set at gold quality. If you really want that accurate of an estimate and have done so before, you probably got the ability to calculate the difference from the data you gathered with epic gear.

Kram8ion · September 2016

yes for armour but no for weapons i think

disintegr8 · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

All it does is make you think long and hard about what set you want to make in CP160 and improve to gold. You create a CP140 /150 set, upgrade to blue/purple and test it before you make the set in CP160 and improve to gold.

I have some characters running around with two gold CP160 armour/weapon sets so I can switch between PVE and PVP. It took me 10 months before I finally bit the bullet and even made CP160 armour and I have no regrets.

FriedEggSandwich · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

It's not that they cost too much, that's just a byproduct or their rarity, but I definitely think they're too rare. They should never have lowered the drop rates imo. Ok so there are writs that I hear drop them quite often (30% on one quote), but I have never received anything other than a kuta from a writ, and I used to do them all. So forgive me if I don't see writs as worth doing. The drop rate of them at launch was perfect imo; I had accumulated about 50 by the time I hit v10. When I can't farm them myself I look to buy them. Atm I feel like it's easier to farm the gold to buy them.

FriedEggSandwich · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

Knootewoot wrote: »

Yes. I can barely keep up. People with ESO+ should get at least 1 golden temper per week for free for each crafting profession. Or they should be sold in crownstore for 500 crowns a piece.

That used to happen just by having hirelings. Apparently having 3 skill points invested in a hireling isn't enough of a cost to receive 1 per week.

Synfaer · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

I have collected some stats on refining, writs and hirelings for the last 30 odd days. This will give you some idea on the direction to take when farming mats for yourself. All characters are 50 and 10/10 in craft skill for writs and refining. All hirelings are 3/3. I do writs daily and farm for raw materials for about 2-4 hours a week whilst I collect surveys.

Hirelings

*cloth hirelings improvement materials are always doubled

Refining

*%Return for improvement materials is per 10 raw material refined.

Writs

*dates should be 24 Aug - 21 Sep on the writ table

Hirelings are virtually useless for getting gold materials and refining is not much better.
Writs are the goto path if you want a steady supply of gold mats.

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NoRagret · September 2016

To whom it may concern:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/203006/30k-refined-raw-materials-statistics

These are the results of gold temper drop rates from refining. The results shown in the post are still accurate to this day after continous and thorough testing after every major update. The gold temper drop rate for ALL kinds of materials is 5% from Iron Ore, Voidstone Ingot and Rubedite Ore. Mid tier raw materials have a lower drop rate and is variable per type down to 4% per refine. (Mid tier materials have substantially lower drop rates of blue and purple tempers)

BruceLeeroy91 · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

Just refined all my raw materials from this last weekend.
800 rubedite ore - 1 tempering alloy
700 ancestor silk - 0 dreugh wax
200 rubedo scraps - 0 dreugh wax
500 rough ruby ash - 1 rosin

Not ever worth upgrading any armor ever to gold for the minimal return it grants. Weapons are a must which is unfortunate given the absurd RNG drop rate of everything RNG based in this game.

Saint_Bud · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

The problem is the differant from purple to gold. If people dont have many time its really hart to get good stuff

MalakithAlamahdi · September 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

It takes ~320k gold to make a 5-piece of heavy armor legendary, ~384k gold if you include a weapon.

That seems a little outrageous to me. If it's a crafted set, that's close to 1/2 million gold for 5-6 out of the 10 pieces of gear you can wear. For one build.

Things were better off when the chance of getting gold tempers from hireling mails was higher. You should be able to buy tempers for AP and Tel Var stones.

Wow what realm are you in, in PC EU you need minimum 100k per piece, so for 5 piece heavy 500k with weapons 700-900k this excluding 2 more pieces, which could be light or medium.

On pc EU the highest I've seen so far is 12k/e. Though, a month ago it was 10, so it rises very fast.

Jar_Ek · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

The cost is too high to gear up characters. The cost of tempers only increases as gold ones are harder to acquire and more people want the new sets. Add that to the number of tempers you need to use to upgrade each item and its easy to see why.

Each item costs upwards of 80k to upgrade from purple to gold, so 7 armour and 4 weapons that 880k or more.

WillhelmBlack · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

We have a huge problem on PC EU.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

It's taken me over a year of playing to finally amass enough Rosins, (as well as have a level capped character I like) to make my first Legendary Staff for my Templar. I did kind of appreciate the 200 point bump in Spell Damage, but in all honestly making everything Legendary seems really pointless. Only having Gold weapons seems beneficial since the stats increase for Armor from Epic to Legendary is barely an increase at all. And I care way too much about the wealth I have to waste it on something that won't give me an appropriate return.

it took you a year...... 12 months....52 weeks..... 365 (and a quarter)days to get 8 rosins????????

really?

Some people like myself have a family to look after and work 60 hrs a week. I bet most students, the unemployed and even those that have no family of their own yet have plenty of gold and a stock pile of mats.

When you get 1-2 hours of spare time a day to play a video game, doing more work (writs) doesn't appeal to most. I levelled blacksmithing to 50 2.5 years ago, a while back you used to get the occasional Tempering Alloy but for the last year, I haven't received a single one from a hireling. That's why the prices nowadays are 4x what they used to be and it's a major problem.