do you think upgrading gear to yellow is too expensive?

MasterSpatula · September 2016

Other

It's inconsistent. Upgrading a Woodworking item is almost too easy. Refining, hirelings, and writs hand out Rosin like candy on Halloween.

Upgrading a Blacksmithing item to Gold, however? Not cool. The person who set the drop rate for Tempering Alloy is not a person I would trust not to kick puppies and punch old ladies.

kylewwefan · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

Golded out gear should be for the hardcore. there should be some thought going in before making everything legendary.

So you're saying the unemployed should be the only people with gold weapons? I have 2 gold weapons across all my characters and none of my tanks armour have ever been Legendary. It took me months to save them up and when One Tamriel comes along I'll be back to Purple again. I might get 1 Tempering Alloy back from deconstructing those 2 weapons, it's a joke and so is not being competitive in both PvE and PvP.

WTF?

wenchmore420b14_ESO · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Hasn't cost me anything.

Choices have consequences. If you choose not to farm materials then you have to pay for them. If you choose not to pay for them you have to get them yourself.

Or do without...

If we farm them ourselves then yellow mats have to drop more, since i can go through 400 refines with like one yellow, sometimes its better sometimes its worse but in general its very low dorp rate for the amount of farming one has to do

Do you have all the skill passives maxed? The one to improve refining tempers? Are you even a master crafter?
Writs take 10 minutes. Have hirelings passives maxed? Right there I get 4-6 tempers a week without grinding nodes.

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

16500g for 1 Tempering Alloy. Put them in the Crown Store already. Don't care if it's P2W, you could say the same about the tri-pots.

OMG NO! Tri-Pots are not P2W as they are crap compared to the one's you can craft in game. As far as 16k+ for one temper, I call shenanigans! You are exaggerating or they were just a troll.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

Wow can nothing be remotely difficult?

It is not even hard to run around and farm and get the materials.

I feel like some people want a game you turn on and you have everything. MMOs are not this kind of game.

How is grinding mats or spending gold difficult?? its not difficult its a waste of time. I can't understand people who want everything to take longer "make it more difficult" in their opinion. If you have too much time in you life you can do other things, but don't force people who have other things to leave everything in their lives just to play a game

Understand you don't want to farm mats. Don't then. But there are those of us that do. I took over a year to get 9 traits on all, learn all 534 provisioning recipes, and max out skill points in all my crafting skill line. You think it is a waste of time, fine, but dont ask for nerfs/ "make it easier for just me". Farm or pay market price.

Danksta · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

The drop rates are fine... They drop really well to be honest. It's the demand that's too high, everybody wants to yellow out every piece of gear they try on.

Yellow is supposed to be Legendary, not everyday everyone wears everything even stuff they are just testing to see if they like. So as it stands there is sort of a commitment to an item if you make it legendary, or a huge waste of gold if you decide to just drop it.

So IMO the price is too high, but it should be.

Upgrading weapons is not a luxury, armor maybe and even twice born star is a must. So its hard to actually enjoy your build or see its true effectiveness with only purple gear.

That's where priorities should come in to play.

undefeatdgaul · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

I think the drop rates are fine I guess just the cost needs to go down. 8 per piece is stupid.

Magic_Doogies · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

Honestly if yellow is expensive than perhaps you should do theory crafting online first before going in and wasting your in game gold tempers on sets that may or may not work.
Its only expensive if you liberally gold out your armor pieces without any forethought on whether or not that's the best set gear to sell/use and it's worth.

If you only use it when you are absolutely sure this will be worth it than gold tempers are just fine as is. Between crafting writs, decon and treasure maps I do just fine.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

Upgrading gear to gold should be meaningful, and therefore, expensive. Also, gold tempers arent that hard to get if you work at it a bit. I have 8 toons in gold gear all from doing writs, most of them have multiples sets. Never bought a gold mat, but have sold a fair few.

The only gold mat that I would perhaps like to see the drop rate buffed on a bit is Wax. One option might be a separate temper for medium and light armor, but that might be overly complicated. Buffing the drop rate would accomplish the same thing.

Also, I think Temp Alloy is particularly high right now because everyone is running heavy in PVP. Whether that lasts or not, we will see. Personally, I have far more allow than any other mat. Most of my builds require one piece of heavy, and one or two weapons at most.

Knootewoot wrote: »

Kippesnikke wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Yes. I can barely keep up. People with ESO+ should get at least 1 golden temper per week for free for each crafting profession. Or they should be sold in crownstore for 500 crowns a piece.

500 crowns for one temper!!!!! ur mad ><

I have a good job. I will buy 100 in a blink of an eye. I will make everyone and their mother golden.

Edit: TEMPERS IN THE CROWNSTORE WOULD BE P2W!!! I have a good job too, but I would leave the game in a heartbeat if that happened..

jedtb16_ESO · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Hasn't cost me anything.

Choices have consequences. If you choose not to farm materials then you have to pay for them. If you choose not to pay for them you have to get them yourself.

Or do without...

If we farm them ourselves then yellow mats have to drop more, since i can go through 400 refines with like one yellow, sometimes its better sometimes its worse but in general its very low dorp rate for the amount of farming one has to do

Do you have all the skill passives maxed? The one to improve refining tempers? Are you even a master crafter?
Writs take 10 minutes. Have hirelings passives maxed? Right there I get 4-6 tempers a week without grinding nodes.

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

16500g for 1 Tempering Alloy. Put them in the Crown Store already. Don't care if it's P2W, you could say the same about the tri-pots.

OMG NO! Tri-Pots are not P2W as they are crap compared to the one's you can craft in game. As far as 16k+ for one temper, I call shenanigans! You are exaggerating or they were just a troll.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

Wow can nothing be remotely difficult?

It is not even hard to run around and farm and get the materials.

I feel like some people want a game you turn on and you have everything. MMOs are not this kind of game.

How is grinding mats or spending gold difficult?? its not difficult its a waste of time. I can't understand people who want everything to take longer "make it more difficult" in their opinion. If you have too much time in you life you can do other things, but don't force people who have other things to leave everything in their lives just to play a game

Understand you don't want to farm mats. Don't then. But there are those of us that do. I took over a year to get 9 traits on all, learn all 534 provisioning recipes, and max out skill points in all my crafting skill line. You think it is a waste of time, fine, but dont ask for nerfs/ "make it easier for just me". Farm or pay market price.

^this..... i put a lot of time into making crafters. that should be degraded because someone wants everything on a plate for free? no. you want it..... work for it.

SirAndy · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

Endgame gear should be hard to get, both in drops and in quality improvement.

ArchMikem · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

It's taken me over a year of playing to finally amass enough Rosins, (as well as have a level capped character I like) to make my first Legendary Staff for my Templar. I did kind of appreciate the 200 point bump in Spell Damage, but in all honestly making everything Legendary seems really pointless. Only having Gold weapons seems beneficial since the stats increase for Armor from Epic to Legendary is barely an increase at all. And I care way too much about the wealth I have to waste it on something that won't give me an appropriate return.

Lettigall · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

Since when grinding mats is hardcore!?? How farming mats make you superb hardcore player? Spamming AOE in Old Orsinium or running from node to node is considered hardcore endgame play style???

jedtb16_ESO · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

ArchMikem wrote: »

It's taken me over a year of playing to finally amass enough Rosins, (as well as have a level capped character I like) to make my first Legendary Staff for my Templar. I did kind of appreciate the 200 point bump in Spell Damage, but in all honestly making everything Legendary seems really pointless. Only having Gold weapons seems beneficial since the stats increase for Armor from Epic to Legendary is barely an increase at all. And I care way too much about the wealth I have to waste it on something that won't give me an appropriate return.

it took you a year...... 12 months....52 weeks..... 365 (and a quarter)days to get 8 rosins????????

really?

Jade1986 · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

Yeah, it is waaaaaaaaay too expensive. And considering how stupid rare it is to get tge gold mats from your hirelings, it just makes it even worse.

Jade1986 · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

kylewwefan wrote: »

Golded out gear should be for the hardcore. there should be some thought going in before making everything legendary.

So, what you are saying is that all normal players should get destroyed in pvp because the hardcore should get an advantage. Right.

Jade1986 · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

gamerguy757 wrote: »

If gold gear is absolutely necessary, then why do I have Flawless Conqeror on my toons and a high ranking in Cyrodiil in all purple gear?

Because you are probably using a FOTM cookie cutter build?

Jade1986 · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

Junipus wrote: »

The difference in weapon damage from purple CP160 Hundings to Gold CP160 Hundings is 14. You can quite easily pull good dps, or do good healing or tanking in all purple gear without having to invest in going full Midas.

You should only really go for all gold if you want to squeeze every last drop of damage/healing/mitigation out of your build and your abilities are limited by the gear being purple, otherwise it's a waste of gold and tempers and an artificial crutch for players to rest on.

Uh, no, its not. Its higher than that. Much higher.

Jade1986 · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Hasn't cost me anything.

Choices have consequences. If you choose not to farm materials then you have to pay for them. If you choose not to pay for them you have to get them yourself.

Or do without...

If we farm them ourselves then yellow mats have to drop more, since i can go through 400 refines with like one yellow, sometimes its better sometimes its worse but in general its very low dorp rate for the amount of farming one has to do

Do you have all the skill passives maxed? The one to improve refining tempers? Are you even a master crafter?
Writs take 10 minutes. Have hirelings passives maxed? Right there I get 4-6 tempers a week without grinding nodes.

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

16500g for 1 Tempering Alloy. Put them in the Crown Store already. Don't care if it's P2W, you could say the same about the tri-pots.

OMG NO! Tri-Pots are not P2W as they are crap compared to the one's you can craft in game. As far as 16k+ for one temper, I call shenanigans! You are exaggerating or they were just a troll.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

Wow can nothing be remotely difficult?

It is not even hard to run around and farm and get the materials.

I feel like some people want a game you turn on and you have everything. MMOs are not this kind of game.

How is grinding mats or spending gold difficult?? its not difficult its a waste of time. I can't understand people who want everything to take longer "make it more difficult" in their opinion. If you have too much time in you life you can do other things, but don't force people who have other things to leave everything in their lives just to play a game

Understand you don't want to farm mats. Don't then. But there are those of us that do. I took over a year to get 9 traits on all, learn all 534 provisioning recipes, and max out skill points in all my crafting skill line. You think it is a waste of time, fine, but dont ask for nerfs/ "make it easier for just me". Farm or pay market price.

Now I know you are lying. I was off for 8 weeks and logged in every day, with all maxed passives for blacksmithing, and I didnt get a SINGLE gold mat. Not one.

AlnilamE · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

I test stuff out in purple and if I like it, I improve it to gold.

ThePaleItalian · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

Legendary for a reason. You want 10 sets of gold gear. Then farm or pay up.

I see a lot of people talking about hirelings not giving them gold. I got 2 today. Now its not a weekly appearance but it happens.

Tavore1138 · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

No - because it is free, just refine your own and don't pay for them...

Taleof2Cities · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

No, I farm yellow tempers for my needs through refining, hirelings, and crafting writs ... extras are sold through the guild store.

BlackguardBob · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

Compared to what?

Since ESO is an MMO so everything is more expensive & takes longer to learn. There is a sense of achievement when something is accomplished from sheer effort and determination to succeed. You can appreciate your own efforts more when you chase after the more expensive items instead of settling for second best with a quick fix.

Oompuh · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

On NA Xbox it would cost me 160k+ for 1 piece of gold heavy armor. I'll pass on that one

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · September 2016

Yes (State your reasons)

Yeah sucks.The game have a design where multiple builds and play styles with one character are encouraged.You can see this by the many skills and gear sets in the game.Yet they put a big barrier on this concept by making it hard,long and tedious to have different end game sets with you.I have seen many sets that i just want to have them for fun even if they are not BiS.

So yeah,would be cool if ZOS reduce the grinding for gear mats at least to half so i can bath in different gear sets.Also,while we are at it and this goes with the play diff builds and style. ZOS what the hell,implement an Outfitter style feature to the game for god sake.Thats something that should have been in the game since launch.I feel bad for console gamers.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

laced wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Hasn't cost me anything.

Choices have consequences. If you choose not to farm materials then you have to pay for them. If you choose not to pay for them you have to get them yourself.

Or do without...

If we farm them ourselves then yellow mats have to drop more, since i can go through 400 refines with like one yellow, sometimes its better sometimes its worse but in general its very low dorp rate for the amount of farming one has to do

Do you have all the skill passives maxed? The one to improve refining tempers? Are you even a master crafter?
Writs take 10 minutes. Have hirelings passives maxed? Right there I get 4-6 tempers a week without grinding nodes.

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

16500g for 1 Tempering Alloy. Put them in the Crown Store already. Don't care if it's P2W, you could say the same about the tri-pots.

OMG NO! Tri-Pots are not P2W as they are crap compared to the one's you can craft in game. As far as 16k+ for one temper, I call shenanigans! You are exaggerating or they were just a troll.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

Wow can nothing be remotely difficult?

It is not even hard to run around and farm and get the materials.

I feel like some people want a game you turn on and you have everything. MMOs are not this kind of game.

How is grinding mats or spending gold difficult?? its not difficult its a waste of time. I can't understand people who want everything to take longer "make it more difficult" in their opinion. If you have too much time in you life you can do other things, but don't force people who have other things to leave everything in their lives just to play a game

Understand you don't want to farm mats. Don't then. But there are those of us that do. I took over a year to get 9 traits on all, learn all 534 provisioning recipes, and max out skill points in all my crafting skill line. You think it is a waste of time, fine, but dont ask for nerfs/ "make it easier for just me". Farm or pay market price.

Now I know you are lying. I was off for 8 weeks and logged in every day, with all maxed passives for blacksmithing, and I didnt get a SINGLE gold mat. Not one.

You didnt read his post. He said writs AND hirelings. Gold mats are relatively rare from hirelings, but not unheard of. I have hirelings on 8 toons and probably get 1-2 of each type a week. The writs are what give you gold mats. I do Enchanting, Blacksmithing, Clothing, and Woodworker Writs on 7 toons a day and get 7-10 gold mats a day. I would guess the drop rate is about 1/3 for a gold mat from turning in a writ, but that might be just a touch high. The other things is that about every two weeks, I spend about 2 hours collecting all my surveys. Those usually give me about 7 or 8 gold mats of each type when I decon.

TLDR: Writs will solve all your gold mat problems.

I have never bought a gold mat and have close to 200 of all of them except wax. I recently burned through all my wax making a new set for my stam sorc, and in two weeks, I am back up to about 35. I need to go count, but I would guess I probably have 125-150 gold pieces that I have upgraded. 9/10 of my toons are in full gold gear, and most have multiple gear sets.

NewBlacksmurf · September 2016

Other

My only issue is you can't take lower tanins or whatnot and upgrade those.

Basically if I have 800 blue mats, I'd like to take 8 or 10 to make the next tier...so on and so forth.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · September 2016

Other

Upgrading a weapon to yellow? Only colour I know remotely close to that is being able to upgrade weapons to Gold, now that is expensive.

Taleof2Cities · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

TLDR: Writs will solve all your gold mat problems. I have never bought a gold mat and have close to 200 of all of them except wax. I recently burned through all my wax making a new set for my stam sorc, and in two weeks, I am back up to about 35. I need to go count, but I would guess I probably have 125-150 gold pieces that I have upgraded. 9/10 of my toons are in full gold gear, and most have multiple gear sets.

Even though I know this thread will likely go on for another few pages ... just leaving this quote here in case it was missed ...

Gargath · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

Due to the high prices none of my 8 characters have the armor in gold, all have in Purple, with a few having gold weapons. Upgrading all armor to gold is just one of my ultimate goals in game, just like to win Master Weapons and other ultimate achievements. High price shows the uniqueness of gold tempers.

scorpiodog · September 2016

No (State Reasons)

No - the best gear should not be available to everyone for no work.