*Gets his popcorn*

Don't fully follow your point, or the options.... But I'm quite happy with OL as it is.

Next you'll be saying dodge / evasion / shuffle takes no skill as its automatic.....

Or NB fear is one button....

Sorcs have had enough battering of late, let be!

Dracane wrote: »

Sorc never received something in return for nerfs.

Only thing I disagree with. Empowered ward: Duration 10 seconds (only castable shield to do this), and minor intellect (one of a handful of abilities to get this buff).

Yes, Sorcs got hit hard, maybe too hard with the axe of Rekt, but to say they didn't get some cool buffs over the years isn't totally correct. And we all know that it isn't the size of the ward that matters, but how well it works! Right guys?

...guys? o.o

Since when do i care what other people think?
I play my sorc how i want it and not how other people want me to play him!

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

I don't know why you have so much of a problem with Overload... Its a great tool. Now Overload is not the reason that Sorc DPS is "subpar" (which is a lie too) the reason is the absence of actual damage abilities. The devs aren't stupid, they know that not everyone uses Overload and that its not viable for fights that last for over 1 minute.

I use it in PvP because its the only hard hitting ability besides Frags that Sorcerers have and once its great burst. It takes a lot of practice to hop in and out of your Overload bar while timing those light attacks with Curse and Frags. With all the dodging going on in Cyrodiil its a miracle to land more than 2 Overload attacks. But you probably don't PvP much, so here comes the real debate.

You have to adjust your rotation not just blindly spam 1 button. You still have to keep all your DoTs up. I also use it in PvE, in places like Maelstrom or any vet dungeon (aside from Cradle of Shadows). Why? Because things die quicker. The whole point behind using this ultimate is to be able to burst down priority targets faster (totems in Mazzatun, ***-spinners in vDSA, etc.) or for DPS races (Mantikora). You might call me a noobax or whatever but hey I respect your opinion. Now let me just say that I used to hate this ultimate too, but after a while I came to like it. I absolutely love falling into the stereotype that all sorcs are easy mode and whatnot. In the end, I pull the same DPS in 4-mans as a stamina build.

Thing is you simply can't use it in trials anyway, because its burst damage not a sustained DPS tool. I've seen a sorc pull 46k DPS in Maw of Lorkhaj without it. Most trial groups I've seen run with at around 2 magicka sorcs in their DPS group. They must be there for a reason. I don't use Overload in trials (obviously for DPS races its THE best thing in the game). And also if Yolo Wizard uses it (who's one of the few legit PvE sorcs) I'll trust him and use it when appropriate.

It may be easy mode, it may be whatever you want, but facts are facts: its the harder hitting move sorcerers have. I would love more abilities that are usable, more DoTs for Power Surge.

Not using a finisher is just stupid though and if you can do 34k DPS without it, you would do more with Mage's Wrath. And really 34k is not all that impressive at all in a proper trial group. You should be able to reach around 40k single target without too much trouble.

i d'ont like the finisher , because down at 28K with . i d'ont know why . you can't have a rotation with overload man , this ultimate is only for engage , and if you use this ultimate in the middle of the combat you lose dps again . so ---> no rotation , maybe a liqui lightning + a pet to put but overload stay a right click dps ultimate . did you know Yurkii ? yes this man who is on the top of Vma classment , he alway have 1K dps much than me = 35 K . for the moment we d'ont have alkosh / scideflamme / mother gaze ( sometime we d'ont have it ) , it's why we d'ont have 38K constant + like other people in HL team with HL debuff/buff stuff . And nop , i d'ont like overload , because i d'ont like play Stéréotype like other sorc with elegant set . it's why i prefer play a Nb magicka because he have a Real gameplay- much dps than a overload sorc and than a rotation sorc - real rotation .

I don't cate what you do strength wise, but take my 3rd bar away and the Lord of Domination will be the least of your worries...

Omgwtfbbq321 wrote: »

I don't cate what you do strength wise, but take my 3rd bar away and the Lord of Domination will be the least of your worries...

i never say this , i want a nerf of damge of this ultimate only . and interresting morph PVE for PVP skill : a aoe for exemple ect
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Beardimus wrote: »

Your posts are quite hard to follow tp be fair, appreciate the language thing tbur you contradict yourself.

You hate it, but you use it? You think it's OP but you see your DPS drop?

Overload is so much more to most than DPS, its a 3rd bar, and out of resource option - sorcs have few of then, conversion is awful espech with all the CC breaks required these days, and its slow.

I hate it , and i d'ont use it , i think it's op and .. i say than i see my Dps drop with ? ( i believe you , maybe i say this and forgot to say When i use damage of overload for the last time ... in december , quote me plz )

When isay nerf , i d'ont say " please delete the 3 rd barre " i just want a nerf of this ultimate and " i say this on the top of my comment " i like the 3 rd barre too for dark conversion .

Apherius wrote: »

Hi ! i'm one of sorcerer who d'ont care about overload , and never use this noobax ultimate . i d'ont like overload because people who play other classe love say than the sorcerer is easy and do a good dps and this only because he have a Noobaw ultimate called " Overload " . when i link a 34K dps in 7 min of fight ( i don't use finisher and overload ) they d'ont believe me because people are closed on sorcerer stereotype who play with elegant set and overload .please , just comment this post after vote .

I don't understand anything of this poll. If OL it doesn't bother or interest you, why these options?

I say don't nerf overload, since it's already quite a nerfed skill IMO considering how sorcerer behave currently. The magika regen and the lack of skill available (3 per bar and two toggle) makes it a really important aspect of any sorcerer build who needs more utility + magika sustain which on a sorc isn't that good either.

But if the class was to be redesign and overload turn into a regular ultimate Something along the line of a channelling skill (magik canon as the one from the last boss of ICP), I would agree with that since I don't rely on my overload either as a magika sorc as long as ressource permit me to, but I would need more barslot which mean less class/toggle as we do have 3 of those and other class got 0 or at least the opportunity to have 0.

Still, I do think that for the most part, the class is doing fine, overload is a nice sustain fight option and now,in order to rely less on it I think going dual staff which seems like a good idea ... so... if people want to believe a 34k dps sorc on a 7m fight is doing overload ftw... let them think about it for while and let everyone realise that this person know Nothing about your class .

Dang man know I made it to this post kinda late, but I'd like to start out by thanking my sorc breathren in arm's for impeding this admitent Magica Nb's nonsense before it got misleading to the unknowing.
To address some of your concerns,
My dear abuser of dark clocke & LOS. Welcome to the word of sorcery.
Embedded with the sadistic, lorefull, conundrums of @wrobel & his design team. Young attempt's at sorcery such as the one you've attempted to embark on, can become wayward & lost thanks to the preconceived notions like the ones you've... 'mumbled'. The thing is some have come to believe in the expressed sorc exploits of enraged Nightblade streamers who only have a slight incling to what their talking about. I:E "Elegance is a light attack abusing magic set I don't have bo-who?"
While there plainly visible ways to run overload effectively as I'll explain shortly, there a plenty of nuff's to the ultimate that make it the most skill worthy "run with care" move in the game.
-First thing stated it's not a resto staff. (No heals)
-Second thing it's more glitchy then a lighting staff. (3sec cooldown to recover from being put in a heavy)
+ -Third as Dracane said it is one of the last evasible ultimate & is the only reflectable & absorbable ultimate standing in the game.
-Forth the heavy attack is no where near wide enough, even with the morph, for as little damage it does for the interruptible time frame it fully locks you in.

As most Sorcs like myself don't stream, to avoid the shame of our viewerless deaths & struggle. I will elevate, to those of you coming to the forums to seek knowledge, a bit of understanding of our classes application with this move beyond a third bar. The solution so simple & evident to we who play the class that its seems almost redundant to the invalidation of this post claim & complaint. As I know amongst the Xbox community.
There are to type of magic sorcs. Duel wield & destro.

Destro staff builds have a solid advantage over the more convoluted & next tier sorc gameplay of Duel wield.
As it:
-Allows for the basic application of Min/max damage scaling on weapons.
-The Basic application of weapon attack 'weaving'.
-Includes the basic & only form of passive magical 'tenacity'. (sustain necessary for most progressing sorcerers.)
-Aswell as a ranged interupt. (helpfull as to save time from a gap close & bash.)

Duel Wield builds however is the more convoluted expedition a persistent & loyal sorc must make to become more PVP viable. To make the change sorcs must develop a better sense of move timing & luck to avoid BS. In making the switch players sacrifice the above mention for:
-Better set combinations (11 slots to 12, ie: 5-5-2 vs 5,5,1 or 5,3,2,2 vs 5,3,2,1)
-Damage comparable to average stam Nightblade. (Though much shorter sustain time.)
-Access to the Twin blade & Blunt passive.
-& If ur really good/ desperate. A saving grace 1+ roll dodge tenacity weave.
Neadless to say beside the potential addition of the mediocre & practically the only magic helm of the 2pc Necopotence or both ways kenea Helm, you've only boosted ur stats a bit. So if you don't know how to take full advantage of this you're probably not going to do well. Rotation with this build is like standerd rotation with the desto just with an extra slot from any destro moves that can be replaced with several others abilitys that can further boost stats, damage output, or defense. Most typically mage light.
Now besides that nearly never happening tenacity plead for your life, basic attacks as a ranged caster hardly ever happen.
Eliminating kena proc's. If it weren't for the topic that randomly got this tutorial poped in it. An adur advanced tip to anyone who's actually a sorcerer. If you don't mind coping a bar, the same variations of moves that are applied to being a duel wield caster can be & if initially slotted with will automatically be applied to the overcharge bar. Overload allowing for the only way for a sorc to play a 12set rotation with the basic given of a light or heavy attack with overcharge untouched as it is. With extra moves better placed on the main bar. Downside comes as is with this gameplay being the most advanced of the advanced & sorc worthy tactic of the game. Ur life, your resto bar is now three bars away & an animation away & as you're life fleas the fastest of all the classes must be done with care. Inaddion depending on your configuration your damage & fright full rotation now lies in an ultimate & is directly comparable to werewolf builds but instead of being susceptible to poison your susceptible to every thing.

Even though the topic is flawed & direction less. (What I got was Nerf overload because I don't use it... Rather then buff it?) My generosity as an expert sorc has brought me to shed some light to those drawn to the topic looking to make better use of their otherwise boss restrained ultimate.
Warning: However nothing will make seem good as a sorcerer. Not even being emperor will save you from evasion. Doesn't matter how hard you hit, if don't hit them. Won't matter how many times with sustain you strike or how hard at a defensive posture you'll still heal them(or kill yourself). Not Matter how fat you shields stack with shield braker you'll still feel them. Everyone's favorite set from back the day, comes back out the bank after being tucked away, & they say "hello sir good day."